From: Joe Shoults Date: Thu Apr 25, 2002 6:41 pm Subject: [tree] FW: ftp FYI: there may be intermittent FTP availability until the upgrades are completed. Also, I'd like to take this opportunity to thank Dale Kay publicly for going above and beyond by providing a zippity-fast FTP server for the SHN files.. TT2 promises to be a much smoother operation, and his server plays a significant role. THanks! Joe -----Original Message----- From: Admin [mailto:admin@k...] Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 9:58 PM To: Joe Shoults Subject: ftp Guess who showed up late this afternoon? FTP server will be down till I get back to work in the AM, after 8am pst. It is trying to format the drive, then I reset and strip it to teh rest of the raid. While it is stripping, the system can be functional. Not while formating and I wasn't going to stay 3 or 4 hours tonight for that. If it was up to me this would not be the case. Like I mentioned before, I have not control on this one. dale [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Thu Apr 25, 2002 6:29 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: AMD, Ath.1.4, music in computers... Just in for you AMD fans. AMD GETS WINDOWS BACKING FOR HAMMER | InfoWorld Microsoft will offer a version of its Windows operating system for Advanced Micro Device's 64-bit processors_code--named Hammer--as AMD tries to gain some ground on Intel, which already has Microsoft's backing for its own group of 64-bit chips. Able to address nearly twice as much data than most PC chips, 64-bit chips are geared toward those running database and ERP systems. Of course I bet some of those AMD fans also think MS is evil so maybe someone will make some adjustments for Linux for AMD. Dale Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Gustavo Jobim' To: Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 10:50 AM Subject: [tadream] Re: AMD, Ath.1.4, music in computers... > Exactly. It is well known that the Athlon 1.4 can sometimes be even better > than a 2 GHz P4, and the more people know about that, the better. > > I've been thinking in upgrading my processor (excellent Duron 800 I've been > using for a year). I only have to know if my motherboard can have a 1.4 Ath. > I haven't experienced any problems using the Duron 800 (with Asus A7V133 > mobo) with music, but I don't use the computer for sampling or software > synths, only for recording and mixing from the hardware synth. I have a > Quantum Fireball PlusAS 40 GB, 7200 RPM, ATA100, which works really fine and > a SBLive Platinum 5.1, which I got because of the front panel with many > connections, including digital in and out. I have nothing to complain about > any of these, and the SB sound is clear and I can't notice any noise... > Although I do want in the future to get something more professional. Gotta > install win2k, btw. Just need time to do it... I REALLY need vacations now. > > just to mention TD... np. 220V. Actually it's just ended this very moment. > > Steve wrote: > > > I can't comment about how AMD chips cope with music software, but as far as CPU intensive graphics software goes AMD leaves Intel standing. My 1.4GHz Athlon gives performance equivalent to a 2GHz Pentium... > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > The Kevin Keller Trio will be performing music from their new CD 'Across the Sky' live online Thursday, April 25, at 10 pm PDT. > Tune in to the live internet stream at > http://radio.transbay.net:7070/ramgen/kpfa.ra > (more info at http://www.kpfa.org) > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Fri Apr 26, 2002 2:51 am Subject: Another Castle compilation!! According to Amazon.co.uk, Castle are to release something called 'Anthology' by TD in July. There's no artowrk or track listing as yet, but it seems like yet another compilation of the blue and pink years no doubt! http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000065CTM/qid=1019760219/sr=1-12/ref=s\ r_1_3_12/026-3924844-3361249 - Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33577 Re: Another Castle compilation!! convention24 Thu 4/25/2002 2 KB 33581 Re: Another Castle compilation!! Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid Thu 4/25/2002 3 KB 33587 Re: Another Castle compilation!! John Vertical Fri 4/26/2002 3 KB From: 'tei waz' Date: Thu Apr 25, 2002 6:53 pm Subject: laptops crusoe chips...to yourself... Just curious, anyone here have experience with the 'new' crusoe chips from transmeta? www.transmeta.com seems they are lower in power usage and heat than the usual big company chips.... --T _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From: Szatmari Pal Date: Thu Apr 25, 2002 6:37 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Ricochet Gathering >Next year we'll be in the Southwest in a desert motif, playing music under >the stars hopefully. >-Morgan Yes!!! Let's go to the Mojave! I have been suggesting this for years. Pal From: 'convention24' Date: Thu Apr 25, 2002 7:34 pm Subject: Re: Another Castle compilation!! --- In tadream@y..., 'Chris Owen' wrote: > According to Amazon.co.uk, Castle are to release something called 'Anthology' by TD in July. There's no artowrk or track listing as yet, but it seems like yet another compilation of the blue and pink years no doubt! > > http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000065CTM/qid=1019760219/sr= 1-12/ref=sr_1_3_12/026-3924844-3361249 > > - Chris > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Bloody hell not another Castle compilation,they must be making a mint,but knowing the TD guzzlers that we are,we will be first in the cue.Tangerine Dream-Still the Worlds number 1. From: quarlie@a... Date: Thu Apr 25, 2002 8:08 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Ricochet Gathering In a message dated 4/25/02 1:50:13 PM, feldon@f... writes: >This year was the last Okefenokee event for the Ricochet Gathering, at >least for some time. So I was glad to be a part of the *beginning*. >Next year we'll be in the Southwest in a desert motif, playing music under >the stars hopefully. Is the date likely to be roughly the same? I'd love to attend one of these gatherings, but as long as it takes place during the school year, I won't be able to. (Until I graduate, anyway.) --Daniel NP: Backspace - Clockwork Pathogen Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33598 Re: Ricochet Gathering artofvision01 Fri 4/26/2002 2 KB From: 'Steve' Date: Thu Apr 25, 2002 8:14 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Upcoming Bryce Seminar And another Bryce person here... I've used it since version 2 and was a beta tester for version 5. When Heiko said that two other people would be doing artwork for TT3, I'm hoping I was one of the people he meant - if not, how about TT4? :) Obligatory TD reference to stay on topic: TD is the best Brycing music, especially when working on new techniques/ideas. I listen to so much TD when I'm working that when I put music on for the dogs when I need to leave them alone they always get TD! Steve www.craftman.co.uk www.rottievision.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33580 OT: Bryce dreamsector Thu 4/25/2002 2 KB From: 'dreamsector' Date: Thu Apr 25, 2002 9:06 pm Subject: OT: Bryce Maybe Bryce isn't as OT to TD as we might think... I was wondering about some of those images on some of the recent cover art - specifically the space ships on DMIII. I figure KPT is in there somewhere too. TD definitely is the best Brycing music - and driving music too!!! --- In tadream@y..., 'Steve' wrote: > And another Bryce person here... I've used it since version 2 and was a beta > tester for version 5. > > When Heiko said that two other people would be doing artwork for TT3, I'm > hoping I was one of the people he meant - if not, how about TT4? :) > Obligatory TD reference to stay on topic: TD is the best Brycing music, > especially when working on new techniques/ideas. I listen to so much TD when > I'm working that when I put music on for the dogs when I need to leave them > alone they always get TD! > > Steve > > www.craftman.co.uk > www.rottievision.com From: Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid Date: Thu Apr 25, 2002 10:48 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Another Castle compilation!! Those Castle compilations aren't endorsed by Edgar....that was mentioned on the TD site once before...and I don't think Edgar is the least bit happy about their unauthorized releases like those....I know i'm not thrilled with them. Chris Owen wrote: > According to Amazon.co.uk, Castle are to release something called 'Anthology' by TD in July. There's no artowrk or track listing as yet, but it seems like yet another compilation of the blue and pink years no doubt! > > http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000065CTM/qid=1019760219/sr=1-12/ref=s\ r_1_3_12/026-3924844-3361249 > > - Chris > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > The Kevin Keller Trio will be performing music from their new CD 'Across the Sky' live online Thursday, April 25, at 10 pm PDT. > Tune in to the live internet stream at > http://radio.transbay.net:7070/ramgen/kpfa.ra > (more info at http://www.kpfa.org) > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Morgan Feldon Date: Thu Apr 25, 2002 10:59 pm Subject: School Year >quarlie asked: > > >This year was the last Okefenokee event for the Ricochet Gathering, at > >least for some time. So I was glad to be a part of the *beginning*. > >Next year we'll be in the Southwest in a desert motif, playing music under > >the stars hopefully. > >Is the date likely to be roughly the same? I'd love to attend one of these >gatherings, but as long as it takes place during the school year, I won't be >able to. (Until I graduate, anyway.) Don't they have spring break up there? I never had a problem taking a Friday and Monday off from school for a 'family emergency' or unavoidable trip before. Have things gotten that much more nazi lately? Okefenokee in June, July, or August would be a health hazard. Someone would have to carry my limp, sweating body. Even this year, it was ~5 degrees north of my ideal temp, but the frequent cool breezes made it all ok. Anything in April - September in the Mojave Desert would be pretty miserable. I hope you can attend next year's. They're once in a lifetime events. -Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33583 Re: School Year Administrator for kay-net.com Thu 4/25/2002 4 KB 33584 Re: School Year quarlie@a... Thu 4/25/2002 2 KB 33589 Re: School Year John Vertical Fri 4/26/2002 3 KB 33590 Re: School Year Owens, James Fri 4/26/2002 2 KB 33594 Re: School Year Administrator for kay-net.com Fri 4/26/2002 4 KB From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Thu Apr 25, 2002 11:05 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] School Year > Anything in April - September in the Mojave Desert would be pretty miserable Since I live in Lancaster CA, part of this desert and I drive past Mojave every day to work and back, April - May isn't that bad. I would extend September to include October and if like last year November into that mix. (ô ô) Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Morgan Feldon' To: Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 3:59 PM Subject: [tadream] School Year > > >quarlie asked: > > > > >This year was the last Okefenokee event for the Ricochet Gathering, at > > >least for some time. So I was glad to be a part of the *beginning*. > > >Next year we'll be in the Southwest in a desert motif, playing music under > > >the stars hopefully. > > > >Is the date likely to be roughly the same? I'd love to attend one of these > >gatherings, but as long as it takes place during the school year, I won't be > >able to. (Until I graduate, anyway.) > > Don't they have spring break up there? > > I never had a problem taking a Friday and Monday off from school for a > 'family emergency' or unavoidable trip before. Have things gotten that much > more nazi lately? > > Okefenokee in June, July, or August would be a health hazard. Someone would > have to carry my limp, sweating body. Even this year, it was ~5 degrees > north of my ideal temp, but the frequent cool breezes made it all ok. > > Anything in April - September in the Mojave Desert would be pretty miserable. > > I hope you can attend next year's. They're once in a lifetime events. > > -Morgan > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > The Kevin Keller Trio will be performing music from their new CD 'Across the Sky' live online Thursday, April 25, at 10 pm PDT. > Tune in to the live internet stream at > http://radio.transbay.net:7070/ramgen/kpfa.ra > (more info at http://www.kpfa.org) > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: quarlie@a... Date: Thu Apr 25, 2002 11:19 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] School Year In a message dated 4/25/02 7:04:51 PM, feldon@f... writes: >Don't they have spring break up there? My 'spring' break was the first week of March. How that qualifies as spring, I have no idea. >I never had a problem taking a Friday and Monday off from school for a >'family emergency' or unavoidable trip before. Have things gotten that much >more nazi lately? I don't know if you're talking college or K-12, but with most of my professors I wouldn't want to risk it. Maybe I'm just too obedient. ;) >Anything in April - September in the Mojave Desert would be pretty miserable. Good point. I guess there's always winter break. How's mid-December sound? ;) --Daniel NP: Ricochet (selected at random by my computer just as I was getting my mail--how cosmic is that?) From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Fri Apr 26, 2002 12:47 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Wollo -----Original Message----- From: michaeljean@e... >Is anyone planning on attending this weekend Erik Wollo concert in Philly? Most definitely YES!!! Perhaps I'll wear my Ricochet Gathering t-shirt so you can spot me between the stage and the pews in my portable chair (blue with footrest). Cheers, Bill From: Deb H-J Date: Fri Apr 26, 2002 1:29 am Subject: My Okefenokee Report (very long) Dave: Great Okefenokee report! You've covered the bases right well, especially the 'dance' we had on the last day. It was a lot of fun to be outdoors, listening to the music, and working off the hamburgers. We got some great pix of various moments and will be posting them as soon as we get less fatigued. We have a good one of Patrick Vek playing Jens drum device and one of Tom 'Beerhammer' George with his helmet on. A nice addendum to the event for us was the trip back to Atlanta, following the Vic-mobile, with the rest of the luggage and equipment for the SSO. We all stopped for gas and snacks somewhere on the interstate, and Jens and Steve had a Krispy Kreme attack. We got a nice picture of that too. It was also very interesting to hear of your 'inside' perspective on the Planetary Ambiance performance. From my vantage point, I could pick up on who was making what contribution, and I really liked the sounds you introduced to the piece. I was also lucky to pick up one of your mini-CDs from last year, and it was the first thing I listened to when I got home. You definitely have a way with a keyboard, fella! I'm glad to report that my husband, Roger, had a great time and enjoyed the music. It was our first chance to be together on an 'adventure' in quite sometime, and Okefenokee was the right thing to do! Adios, Deb H-J (Cabin 4) dhj4@y... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ From: 'John Vertical' Date: Fri Apr 26, 2002 6:43 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Another Castle compilation!! >Those Castle compilations aren't endorsed by Edgar....that was mentioned on >the TD site once before...and I don't think Edgar is the least bit happy >about their unauthorized releases like those....I know i'm not >thrilled with them. > >Chris Owen wrote: > > > According to Amazon.co.uk, Castle are to release something called >'Anthology' by TD in July. There's no artowrk or track listing as yet, but >it seems like yet another compilation of the blue and pink years no doubt! > > > > >http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000065CTM/qid=1019760219/sr=1-12/ref=\ sr_1_3_12/026-3924844-3361249 > > > > - Chris AARGH! NOT another of those! Why do they have to make 100s of them? Couldn't they just stick with the ones there already are? And they're (nearly) all from either Pink/Blue or Virgin years, never from all three. Too bad that the rights are spreadt that unevenly; it would even be more sensible if these 'anthologies' really would take their 'best of' from ALL the years 70-88. If I could make a sampler, it wouldn't be just more or less random tracks from a restricted time period - I'd include a theme of sorts. I've eg. though up a nice 3CD collection of dark tracks, ranging from Zeit to Poland... Haven't actually produced that one, I've found no use for that so far. Other nice compilation ideas I've thought up: -genre collections, specializing in TD:s more rocking / ambient / techno output -a collection of 'urban' tracks (probably ranging from Le Parc to What A Blast) John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Fri Apr 26, 2002 11:34 am Subject: Virus Warning from Klaus (no hoax) Hi all, since Monday, I find at least 3 infected Emails per day in my Inbox. It seems this little animal is running wild at the moment: http://www.sarc.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.klez.gen@m... If you haven't updated you Anitvirus recently, now is a good time to do So! Symantec also offers a removal tool under the above link if you already have caught it. Careful, the subject lines and names of the attachment are random, not always the same as with 'I love you' and similar worms. safe surfing klaus -- Klaus.Beschorner........................work....+49-7033-45683 Drosselweg.6............................fax.....+49-7033-45631 D-71120.Grafenau........................Mobile.+49-174 3157754 Germany.................................home....+49-7033-45142 ............................................http://www.caby.de Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33593 Re: Virus Warning from Klaus (no hoax) Administrator for kay-net.com Fri 4/26/2002 4 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Fri Apr 26, 2002 1:40 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] School Year Could I suggest that the gathering will some day be held in ... Dammit. I was going to suggest some place near where Rubicon flows, but... no-one knows anymore which river once had that name. But I wonder how long a time it'll take before we can set up an Alpha Centauri gathering...? ;-) Now onwards to some OT... > >I never had a problem taking a Friday and Monday off from school for a > >'family emergency' or unavoidable trip before. Have things gotten that >much > >more nazi lately? > >I don't know if you're talking college or K-12, but with most of my >professors I wouldn't want to risk it. Maybe I'm just too obedient. ;) A thing I've pondered for a long time already... What does 'K-12' exactly mean? Non-college probably, but how widely? Does it include eg. elementary school or vocotional training? John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From: 'Owens, James' Date: Fri Apr 26, 2002 2:14 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] School Year K = Kindergarten (usually age 5-6) 1 = First Grade (6-7) ... 12 = Senior in High School (last year before college) James > -----Original Message----- > A thing I've pondered for a long time already... What does > 'K-12' exactly > mean? Non-college probably, but how widely? Does it include > eg. elementary > school or vocotional training? > > John Vertical From: Winston Date: Fri Apr 26, 2002 2:46 pm Subject: AMD 'Hammer' is now named Opteron wrote: > Advanced Micro Device's 64-bit processors_code--named Hammer AMD recently announced that SledgeHammer's official name will be Opteron. > maybe someone will make some adjustments for Linux for AMD. Yes, I think Linux announced some time ago that it will support x86-64. -WBE From: 'Owens, James' Date: Fri Apr 26, 2002 2:45 pm Subject: Sailing and TD (Was: [tadream] Tree naming) Of course I meant a sailing yacht! Powerboats are a little noisy for good listening. There never seems to be a lack of wind down the river, but I wonder how often it's blowing the right direction? Never done any sailing myself, but always wanted to. James > -----Original Message----- > Well, if you're going to be listing, you would have to be in > a sailboat > rather than a yacht, lol. By the way, I have been down the > Inland Waterway > on a sailboat listening to TD music, don't remember which > one, but it did > seem like a very special, pleasurable moment in time. Maybe > one year, the > Ricochet Gathering will consider taking houseboats up/down > the Tenn-Tom!! > 8-) Dell Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33595 Re: Sailing and TD (Was: [tadream] Tree naming) Administrator for kay-net.com Fri 4/26/2002 4 KB 33605 Re: Sailing and TD (Was: [tadream] Tree naming) PENFOLD Sat 4/27/2002 3 KB From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Fri Apr 26, 2002 3:39 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Virus Warning from Klaus (no hoax) Yes it is. Here at my day job we are averaging 5 a day, which is about 100 users or 5%. Yesterday was light, only 2. This virus uses other's e-mail address so you have to look close at the headers to see where it really came from. Then call them if you do a look up. Most are not aware they are sending these out behind their backs as they do not know they are sending to everyone on their address list. Just make sure your Anti-Virus is up to date then follow the instructions. Here is what works with the software I use, delete, then cancel download. Now I have a chance to examine the properties for header info, then nuke it, make sure it is out of deleted folder too. Dale Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Klaus Beschorner' To: 'Beschorner METAL' Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 4:34 AM Subject: [tadream] Virus Warning from Klaus (no hoax) > > Hi all, > since Monday, I find at least 3 infected Emails per day > in my Inbox. It seems this little animal is running wild > at the moment: > > http://www.sarc.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.klez.gen@m... > > If you haven't updated you Anitvirus recently, now is > a good time to do So! Symantec also offers a removal tool > under the above link if you already have caught it. > > Careful, the subject lines and names of the attachment > are random, not always the same as with 'I love you' > and similar worms. > > safe surfing > klaus > -- > > Klaus.Beschorner........................work....+49-7033-45683 > Drosselweg.6............................fax.....+49-7033-45631 > D-71120.Grafenau........................Mobile.+49-174 3157754 > Germany.................................home....+49-7033-45142 > ............................................http://www.caby.de > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > The Kevin Keller Trio will be performing music from their new CD 'Across the Sky' live online Thursday, April 25, at 10 pm PDT. > Tune in to the live internet stream at > http://radio.transbay.net:7070/ramgen/kpfa.ra > (more info at http://www.kpfa.org) > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Fri Apr 26, 2002 3:42 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] School Year >>>A thing I've pondered for a long time already... What does 'K-12' exactly mean? Non-college probably, but how widely? Does it include eg. elementary school or vocotional training? The politically correct story, Kindergarten to 12 grade. The real story, public tax money paid brain washing day-care. I taught high school for 4 years, this was a observation from the inside. Dale Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'John Vertical' To: Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 6:40 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] School Year > Could I suggest that the gathering will some day be held in > ... > Dammit. I was going to suggest some place near where Rubicon flows, but... > no-one knows anymore which river once had that name. > But I wonder how long a time it'll take before we can set up an Alpha > Centauri gathering...? ;-) > > Now onwards to some OT... > > > > >I never had a problem taking a Friday and Monday off from school for a > > >'family emergency' or unavoidable trip before. Have things gotten that > >much > > >more nazi lately? > > > >I don't know if you're talking college or K-12, but with most of my > >professors I wouldn't want to risk it. Maybe I'm just too obedient. ;) > > > A thing I've pondered for a long time already... What does 'K-12' exactly > mean? Non-college probably, but how widely? Does it include eg. elementary > school or vocotional training? > > John Vertical > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > The Kevin Keller Trio will be performing music from their new CD 'Across the Sky' live online Thursday, April 25, at 10 pm PDT. > Tune in to the live internet stream at > http://radio.transbay.net:7070/ramgen/kpfa.ra > (more info at http://www.kpfa.org) > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Fri Apr 26, 2002 3:43 pm Subject: Re: Sailing and TD (Was: [tadream] Tree naming) What about desert sailing? ;-) dale Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Owens, James' To: Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 7:45 AM Subject: Sailing and TD (Was: [tadream] Tree naming) > Of course I meant a sailing yacht! Powerboats are a little noisy for good > listening. There never seems to be a lack of wind down the river, but I > wonder how often it's blowing the right direction? > > Never done any sailing myself, but always wanted to. > > James > > > -----Original Message----- > > Well, if you're going to be listing, you would have to be in > > a sailboat > > rather than a yacht, lol. By the way, I have been down the > > Inland Waterway > > on a sailboat listening to TD music, don't remember which > > one, but it did > > seem like a very special, pleasurable moment in time. Maybe > > one year, the > > Ricochet Gathering will consider taking houseboats up/down > > the Tenn-Tom!! > > 8-) Dell > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > The Kevin Keller Trio will be performing music from their new CD 'Across the Sky' live online Thursday, April 25, at 10 pm PDT. > Tune in to the live internet stream at > http://radio.transbay.net:7070/ramgen/kpfa.ra > (more info at http://www.kpfa.org) > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33605 Re: Sailing and TD (Was: [tadream] Tree naming) PENFOLD Sat 4/27/2002 3 KB From: Kevin Keller Date: Fri Apr 26, 2002 5:23 pm Subject: test -- Kevin Keller Composer/Producer kkproductions@e... *** Kevin Keller Trio Live at the Presidio Main Post Chapel, San Francisco, CA Thursday, May 30 at 8 pm Advance tickets now available at http://www.kevinkeller.com From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Fri Apr 26, 2002 5:35 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] test test looks good dale Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Kevin Keller' To: 'Tadream Group' Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 10:23 AM Subject: [tadream] test > > > -- > Kevin Keller > Composer/Producer > kkproductions@e... > *** > Kevin Keller Trio > Live at the Presidio Main Post Chapel, San Francisco, CA > Thursday, May 30 at 8 pm > Advance tickets now available at http://www.kevinkeller.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > The Kevin Keller Trio will be performing music from their new CD 'Across the Sky' live online Thursday, April 25, at 10 pm PDT. > Tune in to the live internet stream at > http://radio.transbay.net:7070/ramgen/kpfa.ra > (more info at http://www.kpfa.org) > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'artofvision01' Date: Fri Apr 26, 2002 6:48 pm Subject: Re: Ricochet Gathering > > Is the date likely to be roughly the same? >I'd love to attend one of these > gatherings, but as long as it takes place >during the school year, I won't be > able to. (Until I graduate, anyway.) > > --Daniel > NP: Backspace - Clockwork Pathogen He, he, he. I'm in school about one of every five days these month. But preparing to the university exams really takes much time... Especially, math. AoV From: 'fozziebear' Date: Fri Apr 26, 2002 8:19 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Upcoming Bryce Seminar Steve said 'When Heiko said that two other people would be doing artwork for TT3, I'm hoping I was one of the people he meant - if not, how about TT4? :)' I've been hoping you would do some artwork for the tree or TD would commission you to do some covers for them. Your art and their music just seem meant for each other. David Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33600 Re: Upcoming Bryce Seminar Steve Fri 4/26/2002 3 KB From: 'Steve' Date: Fri Apr 26, 2002 11:21 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Upcoming Bryce Seminar David said: > I've been hoping you would do some artwork for the tree or TD would > commission you to do some covers for them. Your art and their music just > seem meant for each other. Why thank you sir! I'm working on ideas for CD artwork and there are two things I'm find very exciting: the more prosaic of the two is that I'm working with aspect ratios I haven't really used much before, and the second is that since we upgraded our home network I have something like twelve times(!) the processing power I had last time I updated my homepage. The net result, of course, is that I'm working slower than ever because I've got the CPU power to explore all those little byways and tweaks... Steve www.craftman.co.uk www.rottievision.com From: Morgan Feldon Date: Sat Apr 27, 2002 12:11 am Subject: Viruses I am getting so damn irritated with these viruses. I'm getting a TON of them, and other people are getting them from what looks like my address. I wish I could just ban Outlook and Outlook Express users from the Internet. Eudora is not vulnerable to this crap. It blocks ALL scripts/java/activeX, has NO vulnerabilities of this kind, AND it even has a shell extension that warns you if you double click on an exe, com, bat, scr, or other executable which came in as an attachment to your e-mail. In contrast, Outlook and Outlook Express roll out the welcome mat to viruses. I am still using Eudora from 4 years ago and have never had a virus. Since that time, there have been 4 versions and 20 security patches to Outlook/OE and there are still more vulnerabilities being found. -Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33602 Re: Viruses Mark Filipak Sat 4/27/2002 3 KB 33606 Re: Viruses Michael A Jean Sat 4/27/2002 3 KB 33603 Re: Viruses John Vertical Sat 4/27/2002 3 KB 33604 Re: Viruses Admin Sat 4/27/2002 3 KB 33607 Viruses Morgan Feldon Sat 4/27/2002 2 KB 33610 Re: Viruses Admin Sat 4/27/2002 4 KB 33612 Re: Viruses PERGAMON Sat 4/27/2002 2 KB 33613 Re: Viruses Admin Sat 4/27/2002 2 KB 33614 Re: Viruses Mark Filipak Sat 4/27/2002 2 KB From: Mark Filipak Date: Sat Apr 27, 2002 12:27 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Viruses Morgan Feldon wrote: > > I am getting so damn irritated with these viruses. I'm getting a TON of > them, and other people are getting them from what looks like my address. > > I wish I could just ban Outlook and Outlook Express users from the > Internet. > > Eudora is not vulnerable to this crap. It blocks ALL > scripts/java/activeX, has NO vulnerabilities of this kind, AND it even > has a shell extension that warns you if you double click on an exe, com, > bat, scr, or other executable which came in as an attachment to your > e-mail. > > In contrast, Outlook and Outlook Express roll out the welcome mat to > viruses. > > I am still using Eudora from 4 years ago and have never had a virus. > > Since that time, there have been 4 versions and 20 security patches to > Outlook/OE and there are still more vulnerabilities being found. Two points: 1 - I use Netscape and (here comes the important part) I *never* configured Outlook. I've had no problems either. 2 - IE *can* be configured to be safe/safer. It just doesn't come that way out of the 'box' -- sorry, I don't know about Outlook but this may fix it too. If anyone wants my browsable instructions for making IE safe (done to help friends and business acquaintences) request it, off list please. Ciao -- Mark -- See my resume: http://home.earthlink.net/~filipak/resume/ See my music trade pages: http://home.earthlink.net/~filipak/music/ Last updated: 14 April 2002 Q: Is UNIX the spawn of Satan? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33606 Re: Viruses Michael A Jean Sat 4/27/2002 3 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sat Apr 27, 2002 5:52 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Viruses >I am getting so damn irritated with these viruses. I'm getting a TON of >them, and other people are getting them from what looks like my address. > >I wish I could just ban Outlook and Outlook Express users from the >Internet. > >Eudora is not vulnerable to this crap. It blocks ALL scripts/java/activeX, >has NO vulnerabilities of this kind, AND it even has a shell extension that >warns you if you double click on an exe, com, bat, scr, or other executable >which came in as an attachment to your e-mail. > >In contrast, Outlook and Outlook Express roll out the welcome mat to >viruses. > >I am still using Eudora from 4 years ago and have never had a virus. > >Since that time, there have been 4 versions and 20 security patches to >Outlook/OE and there are still more vulnerabilities being found. > >-Morgan So we can draw the conclusion to not to trust in Microsoft? For all the 5 years we've had an internet connection, we've never had a virus infection 'cos we have a Mac. That's because of 'commonness attraction': The percentage of PC viruses is much greater than the percentage PCs out of other computers... Similarily, there're almost never any other than supranational companies featured in urban legends - or any TD on the radio... John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From: 'Admin' Date: Sat Apr 27, 2002 6:32 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Viruses You know it won't matter what you say. You can't make that horse drink water. You can beat a dead horse which this thread is heading. You could say that it is a lot easier to program such critters on a PC than a MAC or anything else (UNIX). Each system has a pro and a con. Each person who uses them have their reasons. The reasons do not have to be grounded in logic. ;-) dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'John Vertical' To: Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 10:52 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Viruses > > So we can draw the conclusion to not to trust in Microsoft? > For all the 5 years we've had an internet connection, we've never had a > virus infection 'cos we have a Mac. That's because of 'commonness > attraction': The percentage of PC viruses is much greater than the > percentage PCs out of other computers... Similarily, there're almost never > any other than supranational companies featured in urban legends - or any TD > on the radio... > > John Vertical From: PENFOLD Date: Sat Apr 27, 2002 12:13 pm Subject: Re: Sailing and TD (Was: [tadream] Tree naming) At 02.04.26-08:43, Administrator for kay-net.com wrote: >What about desert sailing? Ooooh! Land Sailing.....great fun your butt's about a foot from the ground and it seems *sooo* fast! I did this about 20 years ago at El Mirage Dry Lake in CA, lots of fun! Pete Isaacson aka °º¤ø,¸DJ DreamHead¸,ø¤º° mailto:penfold@a...?subject=DJDreamHead http://www.anet.net/~penfold/)^(djdreamhead.html Yahoo Chat: penfold235 ····· AIM: PENFOLD235 1984, Saw 'The Keep' LP at Tower Records, actually held it, didn't have the $$.....Damn!!!!! 'Absence of the KEEP LP is not evidence of its non-existence.' - Steven Feldman Watch the Coasters Grow! at: http://www.anet.net/~penfold/coastergarden.html From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Sat Apr 27, 2002 12:38 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Viruses Mark, Ironically enough, I received a message from you last week that was infected.... I sent you a message to notify you.... MJ > Two points: > > 1 - I use Netscape and (here comes the important part) I *never* > configured Outlook. I've had no problems either. > > 2 - IE *can* be configured to be safe/safer. It just doesn't come that way > out of the 'box' -- sorry, I don't know about Outlook but this may fix it > too. If anyone wants my browsable instructions for making IE safe (done to > help friends and business acquaintences) request it, off list please. > > Ciao -- Mark > -- > See my resume: http://home.earthlink.net/~filipak/resume/ > See my music trade pages: http://home.earthlink.net/~filipak/music/ > Last updated: 14 April 2002 > Q: Is UNIX the spawn of Satan? > (more info at http://www.kpfa.org) > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Morgan Feldon Date: Sat Apr 27, 2002 2:35 pm Subject: Viruses >Michael A Jean said: > >Mark, > >Ironically enough, I received a message from you last week that was >infected.... I sent you a message to notify you.... > >MJ Actually, that's not how it's working. When people get infected, the virus does virtual cross-pollination. It sends out viruses to people in your address book, but changes the From headers to match other friends in your address book. Even though I am not infected, people are receiving viruses that look like they're from me. Outlook/Outlook Express = the Devil -Morgan From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Sat Apr 27, 2002 6:24 pm Subject: Inferno CD prob I've noticed that my INFERNO CD won't read or play in my car's CD player, but it plays fine at home and in my portable. What might causes this peculiarity? Regards, Michael A. Jean Did you know you can email money with PayPal.com? PayPal.com is a completely free service that lets users Beam Money to anyone with an email address. Click on this link to sign up and see for yourself: https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=michaeljean%40earthlink.net Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33609 Re: Inferno CD prob John Vertical Sat 4/27/2002 3 KB 33611 Re: Inferno CD prob Admin Sat 4/27/2002 3 KB 33636 Re: Inferno CD prob Michael A Jean Mon 4/29/2002 4 KB 33617 Re: Inferno CD prob John Marchington Sat 4/27/2002 4 KB 33622 Inferno CD prob fozziebear Sun 4/28/2002 3 KB 33627 Re: Inferno CD prob Admin Sun 4/28/2002 3 KB 33629 Re: Inferno CD prob Wade Gordon Sun 4/28/2002 3 KB 33635 Re: Inferno CD prob Admin Sun 4/28/2002 4 KB 33648 Re: Inferno CD prob Wade Gordon Mon 4/29/2002 5 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sat Apr 27, 2002 7:09 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Inferno CD prob >I've noticed that my INFERNO CD won't read or play in my car's CD player, >but it plays fine at home and in my portable. What might causes this >peculiarity? > > >Regards, > >Michael A. Jean How old these CD players are? I mean, one of my CD players is quite old, and it refuses to play some CDRs. A peculiar phenomenon is that some of them sometimes work and sometimes don't; eg. if I try o play my CDR copy of Melrose, it says nothing if the last album played wasn't TD too. (So it is playable 99% of the time. ;) Or, Equinoxe (also on CDR) defuses to play unless I've played some other Jarre album before. I suppose this has something to do with CD header data? Of course, these speculations are almost alchemy; just wild guesses without any proof about anything. John Vertical np: KS - Moondawn. I just bought it, and this stuff is just BRILLIANT. I'm in trance... _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From: 'Admin' Date: Sat Apr 27, 2002 10:20 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Viruses you know it's keeps you on your toes these viruses if it wasn't for them I might be looking for a job in a way I am so glad to hear that I will be employed for at least a few more months till someone comes to their senses dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Michael A Jean' To: Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 5:38 AM Subject: RE: [tadream] Viruses > Mark, > > Ironically enough, I received a message from you last week that was > infected.... I sent you a message to notify you.... > > MJ > > > > Two points: > > > > 1 - I use Netscape and (here comes the important part) I *never* > > configured Outlook. I've had no problems either. > > > > 2 - IE *can* be configured to be safe/safer. It just doesn't come that way > > out of the 'box' -- sorry, I don't know about Outlook but this may fix it > > too. If anyone wants my browsable instructions for making IE safe (done to > > help friends and business acquaintences) request it, off list please. > > > > Ciao -- Mark > > -- > > See my resume: http://home.earthlink.net/~filipak/resume/ > > See my music trade pages: http://home.earthlink.net/~filipak/music/ > > Last updated: 14 April 2002 > > Q: Is UNIX the spawn of Satan? > > (more info at http://www.kpfa.org) > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > The Kevin Keller Trio will be performing music from their new CD 'Across the Sky' live online Thursday, April 25, at 10 pm PDT. > Tune in to the live internet stream at > http://radio.transbay.net:7070/ramgen/kpfa.ra > (more info at http://www.kpfa.org) > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Admin' Date: Sat Apr 27, 2002 10:25 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Inferno CD prob car player not being able to play cd-r's or not being multisession. or perhaps a bit of sorcery burn the witches but if you are on a sinking ship, I hear they float like wood ;-) dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Michael A Jean' To: 'Tadreamonelist' Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 11:24 AM Subject: [tadream] Inferno CD prob > I've noticed that my INFERNO CD won't read or play in my car's CD player, > but it plays fine at home and in my portable. What might causes this > peculiarity? > > > Regards, > > Michael A. Jean > > > > > Did you know you can email money with PayPal.com? PayPal.com is a completely > free service that lets users Beam Money to anyone with an email address. > Click on this link to sign up and see for yourself: > > https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=michaeljean%40earthlink.net > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > The Kevin Keller Trio will be performing music from their new CD 'Across the Sky' live online Thursday, April 25, at 10 pm PDT. > Tune in to the live internet stream at > http://radio.transbay.net:7070/ramgen/kpfa.ra > (more info at http://www.kpfa.org) > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33636 Re: Inferno CD prob Michael A Jean Mon 4/29/2002 4 KB From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Sat Apr 27, 2002 10:26 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Viruses I knew it................it was you who did it Dale.......just to be employed a bit longer......=O) Jan > you know > it's keeps you on your toes > these viruses > if it wasn't for them > I might be looking for a job > in a way > I am so glad to hear > that I will be employed for at least > a few more months > till someone comes to their senses > > dale From: 'Admin' Date: Sat Apr 27, 2002 10:55 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Viruses I need to buy that karma, a5000, mellotron, and other goodies. Of course donations are always accepted to this non-profit. ;-) dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'PERGAMON' To: Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 3:26 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Viruses > I knew it................it was you who did it Dale.......just to be employed a bit longer......=O) > > Jan > > you know > > it's keeps you on your toes > > these viruses > > if it wasn't for them > > I might be looking for a job > > in a way > > I am so glad to hear > > that I will be employed for at least > > a few more months > > till someone comes to their senses > > > > dale > From: Mark Filipak Date: Sat Apr 27, 2002 10:59 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Viruses Michael A Jean wrote: > > Mark, > > Ironically enough, I received a message from you last week that was > infected.... I sent you a message to notify you.... Some virus must have gotten my address from someone's address book and spoofed it. I have no viruses. I'm behind a firewall that filters in both directions, in and out. Nothing leaves my machine that I don't know about. Ciao -- Mark (...wearing his condominium...) From: 'Admin' Date: Sat Apr 27, 2002 11:20 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Viruses sad but true We have had several at my day job all upset because they got notices they sent viruses out to others. Not true, just spoofed address. If you did into the header you will see who sent it to you. The Klez virus is excellent in doing this. It even takes all those cute little CC and forwards with the ton of address and uses that. The short of it, beware and update your AV often. On the other hand for those who use Eudora, it doesn't stop the dim wit from running that attachment when they get it. You still have to use some sense not to run something from someone you never heard of. As well as still do it when the AV tells you there is a virus. I know not a cure for boneheads other than allowing them to go the way of the dodo. ;-) dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Mark Filipak' To: ; 'Michael A Jean' Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 3:59 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Viruses > Michael A Jean wrote: > > > > Mark, > > > > Ironically enough, I received a message from you last week that was > > infected.... I sent you a message to notify you.... > > Some virus must have gotten my address from someone's address book and > spoofed it. I have no viruses. I'm behind a firewall that filters in both > directions, in and out. Nothing leaves my machine that I don't know about. > > Ciao -- Mark (...wearing his condominium...) > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Admin' Date: Sat Apr 27, 2002 11:27 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Viruses The cure to all Viruses is just to play some TD and relax. Perhaps with friends, perhaps with wine, perhaps with a beer or just some water. Just get out your CD's and play some TD. Pity the fool who never heard of TD. :-) dale From: 'John Marchington' Date: Sat Apr 27, 2002 11:33 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Inferno CD prob Hi Michael. Are you referring to disc 3 of the 'TT' project or TDI's official release? If it's the latter, I'm wondering whether it might be that it's a Cactus copy-protected disc? This has recently been introduced to try and prevent CD copying on PCs etc. Trouble is, I don't know whether TDI would be using such a system, and who does the pressing for them?. BMG issued some without any warning on CD sleeves etc and people have been experiencing incapability problems when using some CD players. If you have a CD writer, or know someone who does, see if the disc can be easily copied to a CD-RW -- after all, that was the reason behind it all. If you have great difficulty, or find it impossible, I would guess that's the problem. It seems that BMG have now backed down on using this anti-copying system because of all the complaints. Of course, there might be a totally different explanation for the problem. Can't think what, though. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Michael A Jean' To: 'Tadreamonelist' Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2002 6:24 AM Subject: [tadream] Inferno CD prob > I've noticed that my INFERNO CD won't read or play in my car's CD player, > but it plays fine at home and in my portable. What might causes this > peculiarity? > > > Regards, > > Michael A. Jean > > > > > Did you know you can email money with PayPal.com? PayPal.com is a completely > free service that lets users Beam Money to anyone with an email address. > Click on this link to sign up and see for yourself: > > https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=michaeljean%40earthlink.net > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > The Kevin Keller Trio will be performing music from their new CD 'Across the Sky' live online Thursday, April 25, at 10 pm PDT. > Tune in to the live internet stream at > http://radio.transbay.net:7070/ramgen/kpfa.ra > (more info at http://www.kpfa.org) > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Admin' Date: Sat Apr 27, 2002 11:33 pm Subject: Optical Race What was the equipment list used to perform Optical race? Let's not just say an Atari. The liner points that out. dale Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33619 Re: Optical Race Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid Sun 4/28/2002 3 KB 33620 Re: Optical Race Admin Sun 4/28/2002 4 KB 33623 Re: Optical Race Marcel Engels Sun 4/28/2002 2 KB 33621 Re: Optical Race Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid Sun 4/28/2002 5 KB 33624 Re: Optical Race Marcel Engels Sun 4/28/2002 2 KB 33626 Re: Optical Race John Vertical Sun 4/28/2002 5 KB 33674 Re: Optical Race gyedid01 Tue 4/30/2002 2 KB 33628 Re: Optical Race Admin Sun 4/28/2002 7 KB 33631 Re: Optical Race quarlie@a... Sun 4/28/2002 2 KB From: Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid Date: Sun Apr 28, 2002 12:19 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Optical Race Being an electronic musician, I was definitely able to pick out a Roland Alpha-Juno synth....not sure if it was a 1 or 2....and they did use an Atari ST computer system...also...not sure if it was a 520..1040..or the Mega ST...wouldn't be the least bit surprised if it was the Mega ST....afterall...they used 3 of them on stage in Albuquerque for the Live Miles show there....as for the rest of the gear....I wish I knew. Admin wrote: > What was the equipment list used to perform Optical race? > Let's not just say an Atari. The liner points that out. > > dale > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Admin' Date: Sun Apr 28, 2002 12:32 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Optical Race Makes sense. You think they used the Atari for the percussion as well? I can hear a lot of effects (reverbs, compressors, some type of flanger?). dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid' To: Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 5:19 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Optical Race > Being an electronic musician, I was definitely able to pick out a Roland > Alpha-Juno synth....not sure if it was a 1 or 2....and they did use an Atari > ST computer system...also...not sure if it was a 520..1040..or the Mega > ST...wouldn't be the least bit surprised if it was the Mega > ST....afterall...they used 3 of them on stage in Albuquerque for the Live > Miles show there....as for the rest of the gear....I wish I knew. > > > > Admin wrote: > > > What was the equipment list used to perform Optical race? > > Let's not just say an Atari. The liner points that out. > > > > dale > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33623 Re: Optical Race Marcel Engels Sun 4/28/2002 2 KB From: Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid Date: Sun Apr 28, 2002 1:56 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Optical Race I doubt seriously they used the Atari for the drums/percussion....other than MIDI control...because they did use custom software...computer-generated drum back then were still too generic and primitive sounding.....not to mention too damn tinny-sounding....probably a Roland drum machine....which packed quite a punch....and still do.......could have also been one of the drum kits from the Alpha-Juno, too...which is more than likely the case....i'd almost be willing to give my left nut for either of those 2 synths.....along with an ARP 2600......a Crumar Orchestrator......SC Prophet 5 and 10....and a few other select pieces of gear......luckily, I have some sampler discs that have all the vintage sounds....thank god.......i'd never be able to do any work on my debut CD if it weren't for those....all the vintage toys would cost a fortune....especially the ARP 2600....found out anyone that still owns one of those......and I only know 1 musician that still does......if they were to sell it....they could name their price........literally. Admin wrote: > Makes sense. You think they used the Atari for the percussion as well? I can > hear a lot of effects (reverbs, compressors, some type of flanger?). > > dale > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid' > To: > Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 5:19 PM > Subject: Re: [tadream] Optical Race > > > Being an electronic musician, I was definitely able to pick out a Roland > > Alpha-Juno synth....not sure if it was a 1 or 2....and they did use an > Atari > > ST computer system...also...not sure if it was a 520..1040..or the Mega > > ST...wouldn't be the least bit surprised if it was the Mega > > ST....afterall...they used 3 of them on stage in Albuquerque for the Live > > Miles show there....as for the rest of the gear....I wish I knew. > > > > > > > > Admin wrote: > > > > > What was the equipment list used to perform Optical race? > > > Let's not just say an Atari. The liner points that out. > > > > > > dale > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33624 Re: Optical Race Marcel Engels Sun 4/28/2002 2 KB From: 'fozziebear' Date: Sun Apr 28, 2002 7:05 am Subject: Inferno CD prob I think there is another explanation. It's a government thing. They are slowly arranging for all modern CDs to be incompatible with car CD players so that fewer and fewer people use cars because they can't listen to their favourite music. Without people knowing it, the government is forcing them to use Discman players on bikes instead. Thus resulting in happier cyclists, fewer car journeys, more Cd's being bought by people having more money to buy them as they don't have to buy expensive cars, as a result musicians have greater income as more people buy CDs, as a result TD releases more CD's, the fans are happier, they cycle more, as a result there are fewer road kill animals as there are less car journeys, we need fewer roads, we slow down global warming, TD tours more, the fans are happy, the more they cycle the healthier they get - a win / win situation. All because our governments car(e) for us.....makes sense really.... Carmaggedon avoided.......all thanks to CD's being incompatible. David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Sun Apr 28, 2002 8:01 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Optical Race > From: Admin [mailto:admin@k...] > > Makes sense. You think they used the Atari for the percussion as > well? I can > hear a lot of effects (reverbs, compressors, some type of flanger?). They only used the Atari's for sequencing, it doesn't really have a good sound chip. It's very good at that and nothing else actually. The drums came from drumboxes or internal drums from a synth. Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Sun Apr 28, 2002 8:04 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Optical Race > From: Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid [mailto:liquiduniverse@e...] > >....especially the > ARP 2600....found out anyone that still owns one of > those......and I only know 1 > musician that still does......if they were to sell it....they > could name their > price........literally. A friend of mine had one for years and just recently sold his (2 weeks ago). He's expanding his modular synth (as I do). Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... From: Joe Shoults Date: Sun Apr 28, 2002 8:35 am Subject: OT: RE: [tadream] Viruses yeah folks, you should just download ZoneAlarm for free (do a search). Think of your computer like a piece of swiss cheese, and a firewall plugs up all the holes and alerts you whenever something tries to get in or out. I have two firewalls in place plus McAfee to boot, and (knock on wood) am virus free so far. It's imperative for any always-on internet connection like DSL, cable, ISDN, but also for dial-up. Remember that Academy Award-winning action Stallone classic 'Demolition Man'? You know, in the epidemic-ravaged future where nobody touched each other anymore even to greet, they just did this synchronized circular hand motion kinda thing. You gotta think like that. No matter how nice your e-mail partner seems, you never know with whom they've e-mailed before. So it's not just like you e-mail with just them, you know. When you e-mail them, you could be e-mailing everybody else they've e-mailed with, too. You could be catching a virus through your partner from from someone your partner doesn't even know... Kinda icky, eh? J P.S. and for pete's sake, turn off the Preview Pane in Outlook and Outlook Express if you have it. np: FM- Black Noise - Phasors on Stun -----Original Message----- From: Mark Filipak spoofed it. I have no viruses. I'm behind a firewall that filters in both directions, in and out. Nothing leaves my machine that I don't know about. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33633 Re: OT: RE: [tadream] Viruses Mark Filipak Sun 4/28/2002 3 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sun Apr 28, 2002 8:50 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Optical Race This discussion really popped up just at the right time. I just bought Optical Race - I accidentally spotted it at a store and immediately bought it. I had not seen it previously on sale nearly anywhere, actually the only place I had seen it even listed was Amazon (as out-of-stock used copies). But now I got it, and here're some of my feelings after 3-4 times of listening to it. Basically this is much like both Livemiles and LotB, (gee, what a surprize...) but the absence of guitar was surprizing. I can hear it only on Sun Gate - I guess it *can* be featured somewhere else too, but I'm not able to spot it in that case. The melodies are quite repetitive, forming textures instead of pictures. This also made me understand better why some stores would categorize TD as Jazz... Marakesh is apparently the main piece, being the longest too. Most energetic too, but still pretty sleepy when opposed to eg. Streethawk. The first minutes remind me of the keyboard solo in long Island Sunset, it's remarkably similar. Also, the sequence during that part also associates - with a certain background tune of a certain crappy Nintendo game I went and wasted my money on a couple of years back. They didn't even bother to think up original BGM? Lazy slobs. Atlas Eyes starts remarkably slowly (considering that it's only 4 minutes long) but after that it get nervous... Mothers Of Rain continues along similar veins as Marakesh, with a warmer tone. Strong voices for a Melrose Years piece. It feels more like sunshine than rain. Perhaps a sunshine after rain? Twin Soul Tribe is slow, but not much more. And you all have been right; the title track is _horrible_. It sounds okay for a few seconds, but it really gets annoying soon. I can't directly describe how annoying it is... It's sort of like little kids who start insulting you LOUD with a very high-pitched nasal voice, and if you say anything to them, they'll go tell their mommy that you tried to do Something Bad to them, and then she comes and starts shouting on you, not believing anyone but her brats... The only good side is that it's so short. Cat Scan doesn't sound too remarkable. Repetitive as the others are too, but not for good effect this time. It's OK for background music, but... Sun Gate is good - too bad that Ralf W. didn't fit into the duo. The guitar comes almost as a relief. Turning Off The Wheel sounds like a prolonged intro... One expects that it would progress onwards, but it doesn't... It just keeps repeating itself, with slight variation of course. It's not even pleasant as background music, like eg. Pilots of the Purple Twilight are. This one promises too much, while the aforementioned does not. The Midnight Trail starts very well, and it indeed is a highlight! It pounds on like a caravan... Ghazal does deserve the addition 'Love Song'. It's however a bit too sweet for my taste. Not great but OK. Overall, I must say that this is not a great album. I liked both Lily & Livemiles much better... This one just lacks something. Perhaps it is a distinctiviness - all pieces are too smooth and sharpnessless. And more guitar would've been great. This album is stuck in a niche between the highly techotic 80s output and the rock-oriented 90s - and it unluckily combines more bad than good sides. I'd give this perhaps 3 points out of 5. John Vertical np: Marakesh (started playing the album for the 5th time so far) _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33674 Re: Optical Race gyedid01 Tue 4/30/2002 2 KB From: 'Admin' Date: Sun Apr 28, 2002 10:06 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Inferno CD prob Interesting. Very Interesting. I know nonething. ;-) dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'fozziebear' To: Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2002 12:05 AM Subject: [tadream] Inferno CD prob > I think there is another explanation. > > It's a government thing. They are slowly arranging for all modern CDs to be incompatible with car CD players so that fewer and fewer people use cars because they can't listen to their favourite music. Without people knowing it, the government is forcing them to use Discman players on bikes instead. > > Thus resulting in happier cyclists, fewer car journeys, more Cd's being bought by people having more money to buy them as they don't have to buy expensive cars, as a result musicians have greater income as more people buy CDs, as a result TD releases more CD's, the fans are happier, they cycle more, as a result there are fewer road kill animals as there are less car journeys, we need fewer roads, we slow down global warming, TD tours more, the fans are happy, the more they cycle the healthier they get - a win / win situation. > > All because our governments car(e) for us.....makes sense really.... Carmaggedon avoided.......all thanks to CD's being incompatible. > > David > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Admin' Date: Sun Apr 28, 2002 10:28 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Optical Race Well what made me bring it back out was the Keyboard Mag article I read that said this was TD's high point. Yea that just opened Pandora's box right up huh? Anyway, I decided I would play it while driving to work and back (2 hours), this gave me some time to play thru then go back. I would like to say you comments on the tracks are close to what I feel about it too. But, as we each are different, I have some differences, none that I wished to express other than say I give it the same rating you did. 3 out of 5 but for other reasons. Now back to my focus, the equipment used for this album. I can recreate some of it but not all of it. There are some parts I can't put my finger on what I am hearing. I swear it is the processors used or effects which might just be studio. I owned Optical Race for a long time, in fact I most likely bought it when it came out. I bet I only played it before this last week only 4 or 5 times. Now I got this mystery bugging me. I will listen to it again to pull the exact track and time. Off track, Alan Parson's The Time Machine, Anybody have it? I do. If you do listen to it then Optical Race. I got something in the melody that is swimming around in my head. ;-) dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'John Vertical' To: Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2002 1:50 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Optical Race > This discussion really popped up just at the right time. I just bought > Optical Race - I accidentally spotted it at a store and immediately bought > it. I had not seen it previously on sale nearly anywhere, actually the only > place I had seen it even listed was Amazon (as out-of-stock used copies). > But now I got it, and here're some of my feelings after 3-4 times of > listening to it. > > Basically this is much like both Livemiles and LotB, (gee, what a > surprize...) but the absence of guitar was surprizing. I can hear it only on > Sun Gate - I guess it *can* be featured somewhere else too, but I'm not able > to spot it in that case. The melodies are quite repetitive, forming textures > instead of pictures. This also made me understand better why some stores > would categorize TD as Jazz... > > Marakesh is apparently the main piece, being the longest too. Most energetic > too, but still pretty sleepy when opposed to eg. Streethawk. The first > minutes remind me of the keyboard solo in long Island Sunset, it's > remarkably similar. Also, the sequence during that part also associates - > with a certain background tune of a certain crappy Nintendo game I went and > wasted my money on a couple of years back. They didn't even bother to think > up original BGM? Lazy slobs. > > Atlas Eyes starts remarkably slowly (considering that it's only 4 minutes > long) but after that it get nervous... > > Mothers Of Rain continues along similar veins as Marakesh, with a warmer > tone. Strong voices for a Melrose Years piece. It feels more like sunshine > than rain. Perhaps a sunshine after rain? > > Twin Soul Tribe is slow, but not much more. > > And you all have been right; the title track is _horrible_. It sounds okay > for a few seconds, but it really gets annoying soon. I can't directly > describe how annoying it is... It's sort of like little kids who start > insulting you LOUD with a very high-pitched nasal voice, and if you say > anything to them, they'll go tell their mommy that you tried to do Something > Bad to them, and then she comes and starts shouting on you, not believing > anyone but her brats... > The only good side is that it's so short. > > Cat Scan doesn't sound too remarkable. Repetitive as the others are too, but > not for good effect this time. It's OK for background music, but... > > Sun Gate is good - too bad that Ralf W. didn't fit into the duo. The guitar > comes almost as a relief. > > Turning Off The Wheel sounds like a prolonged intro... One expects that it > would progress onwards, but it doesn't... It just keeps repeating itself, > with slight variation of course. It's not even pleasant as background music, > like eg. Pilots of the Purple Twilight are. This one promises too much, > while the aforementioned does not. > > The Midnight Trail starts very well, and it indeed is a highlight! It pounds > on like a caravan... > > Ghazal does deserve the addition 'Love Song'. It's however a bit too sweet > for my taste. Not great but OK. > > Overall, I must say that this is not a great album. I liked both Lily & > Livemiles much better... This one just lacks something. Perhaps it is a > distinctiviness - all pieces are too smooth and sharpnessless. And more > guitar would've been great. This album is stuck in a niche between the > highly techotic 80s output and the rock-oriented 90s - and it unluckily > combines more bad than good sides. I'd give this perhaps 3 points out of 5. > > John Vertical > np: Marakesh (started playing the album for the 5th time so far) > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Wade Gordon Date: Sun Apr 28, 2002 5:02 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Inferno CD prob Try getting a laser cleaner. You can get one from Walmart or Radio Shack. You want the one with two brushes. Wade If you think its a conspiracy contact Art Bell. --- Michael A Jean wrote: > I've noticed that my INFERNO CD won't read or play > in my car's CD player, > but it plays fine at home and in my portable. What > might causes this > peculiarity? > > > Regards, > > Michael A. Jean > > > > > Did you know you can email money with PayPal.com? > PayPal.com is a completely > free service that lets users Beam Money to anyone > with an email address. > Click on this link to sign up and see for yourself: > > https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=michaeljean%40earthlink.net > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > The Kevin Keller Trio will be performing music from > their new CD 'Across the Sky' live online Thursday, > April 25, at 10 pm PDT. > Tune in to the live internet stream at > http://radio.transbay.net:7070/ramgen/kpfa.ra > (more info at http://www.kpfa.org) > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From: Wade Gordon Date: Sun Apr 28, 2002 5:13 pm Subject: Off Topic- Brad Fidel is not doing the music for T-3 To me one of the things that makes the Terminator Franchise work is the music of Brad Fidel. I understand that for the first one there was no budget for music so the cheapest way to put music on the screen is to use synthesizers. I have to admit Brad Fidel really pulled it off and made the movie a success. Now, for T-2 since the there was more money to play with an orchestra was also used in conjunction to Brad's music. This brings us to T-3 and the inclusion of Danny Elfman. Yes, you heard me right. No Brad Fidel and music composed by Elfman. For me, this is a good reason not to see T-3: The Rise of the Machines. I suggest the novel T-2: Infiltrator instead. Which is out now in paperback and just play the original music in the background when you read it like I did. All the best, Wade __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From: quarlie@a... Date: Sun Apr 28, 2002 6:51 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Optical Race In a message dated 4/28/02 4:53:11 AM, johnvertical@h... writes: >And you all have been right; the title track is _horrible_. It sounds okay >for a few seconds, but it really gets annoying soon. I can't directly >describe how annoying it is... It's sort of like little kids who start >insulting you LOUD with a very high-pitched nasal voice, and if you say >anything to them, they'll go tell their mommy that you tried to do Something >Bad to them, and then she comes and starts shouting on you, not believing >anyone but her brats... Wow. I can't say I've ever found it quite THAT annoying. I mean, at least it's happy. --Daniel NP: Simple Minds - Glittering Prize 81/92 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33632 Re: Optical Race Jonathan Holt Sun 4/28/2002 3 KB From: Jonathan Holt Date: Sun Apr 28, 2002 7:03 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Optical Race The title track sounds like the theme from a kids-tv sports show... i.e. not terribly good. I've got no probs with the rest of the album. --- quarlie@a... wrote: > In a message dated 4/28/02 4:53:11 AM, > johnvertical@h... writes: > > >And you all have been right; the title track is > _horrible_. It sounds okay > >for a few seconds, but it really gets annoying > soon. I can't directly > >describe how annoying it is... It's sort of like > little kids who start > >insulting you LOUD with a very high-pitched nasal > voice, and if you say > >anything to them, they'll go tell their mommy that > you tried to do Something > >Bad to them, and then she comes and starts shouting > on you, not believing > >anyone but her brats... > > Wow. > > I can't say I've ever found it quite THAT annoying. > I mean, at least it's > happy. > > --Daniel > NP: Simple Minds - Glittering Prize 81/92 > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ______________________________________________________________________ Post your ad for FREE! http://personals.yahoo.ca From: Mark Filipak Date: Sun Apr 28, 2002 8:59 pm Subject: Re: OT: RE: [tadream] Viruses Joe Shoults wrote: > > yeah folks, you should just download ZoneAlarm for free (do a search). > Think of your computer like a piece of swiss cheese, and a firewall > plugs up all the holes and alerts you whenever something tries to get in > or out. I second what Joe has written. ZoneAlarm is what I use. TTBOMK, it is the only firewall that plugs up the security leaks in *both* directions. Since I turned my brother on to it and he installed it, he's come to realize how many 'helpers' he has in his machine that want to 'phone home' whenever he's dialed into the net (like RealPlayer and Internet Explorer -- he uses Netscape, but IE still wants to send... something... to Redmond, Washington... probably, yes. Though he could tell ZoneAlarm to permanently deny RP's and IE's desires to send messages behind his back, I guess he likes to say 'no' every time they try to check in with their superiors. BTW, though he doesn't allow RP to 'phone home', it nonetheless works fine as a receiver -- inbound only, not outbound, controlled by ZoneAlarm. Oh! Did I happen to mention that ZoneAlarm is free. Ciao -- Mark (...take back your computers, people! and tell your friends) -- See my resume: http://home.earthlink.net/~filipak/resume/ See my music trade pages: http://home.earthlink.net/~filipak/music/ Last updated: 14 April 2002 Q: Is UNIX the spawn of Satan? From: Mark Filipak Date: Sun Apr 28, 2002 10:24 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Optical Race John Vertical wrote: > -snip- > Mothers Of Rain continues along similar veins as Marakesh, with a warmer > tone. Strong voices for a Melrose Years piece. It feels more like > sunshine than rain. Perhaps a sunshine after rain? John. This virtually became TD's signature tune for the 90s, appearing in just about every concert. -- Mark -- See my resume: http://home.earthlink.net/~filipak/resume/ See my music trade pages: http://home.earthlink.net/~filipak/music/ Last updated: 14 April 2002 Q: Is UNIX the spawn of Satan? From: 'Admin' Date: Sun Apr 28, 2002 10:51 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Inferno CD prob Sounds dangerous. Those brushes could knock the laser out of alignment. The real reason for the brushes are for a air current not to really touch the lens, however if they or something else pops up, it will hit the lens/laser and that is all for that unit. A can or compress air is safer (note keyword safer). If you have a camera and you manage to know how to clean your camera lens without scratching it, then you might want to try to do the same with the lens on the laser. But I still think it is the disk not the unit. dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Wade Gordon' To: Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2002 10:02 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Inferno CD prob > Try getting a laser cleaner. You can get one from > Walmart or Radio Shack. You want the one with two > brushes. > > Wade > > If you think its a conspiracy contact Art Bell. > --- Michael A Jean wrote: > > I've noticed that my INFERNO CD won't read or play > > in my car's CD player, > > but it plays fine at home and in my portable. What > > might causes this > > peculiarity? > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Michael A. Jean > > > > > > > > > > Did you know you can email money with PayPal.com? > > PayPal.com is a completely > > free service that lets users Beam Money to anyone > > with an email address. > > Click on this link to sign up and see for yourself: > > > > > https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=michaeljean%40earthlink.net > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: > > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > The Kevin Keller Trio will be performing music from > > their new CD 'Across the Sky' live online Thursday, > > April 25, at 10 pm PDT. > > Tune in to the live internet stream at > > http://radio.transbay.net:7070/ramgen/kpfa.ra > > (more info at http://www.kpfa.org) > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness > http://health.yahoo.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33648 Re: Inferno CD prob Wade Gordon Mon 4/29/2002 5 KB From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Mon Apr 29, 2002 1:19 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Inferno CD prob The OFFICIAL CD is what isn't playing in the car...Not a CDR.... MJ > -----Original Message----- > From: Admin [mailto:admin@k...] > Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 6:25 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] Inferno CD prob > > > car player not being able to play cd-r's or not being multisession. > > or perhaps a bit of sorcery > > burn the witches > > but if you are on a sinking ship, I hear they float like wood > > ;-) > > dale > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Michael A Jean' > To: 'Tadreamonelist' > Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 11:24 AM > Subject: [tadream] Inferno CD prob > > > > I've noticed that my INFERNO CD won't read or play in my car's > CD player, > > but it plays fine at home and in my portable. What might causes this > > peculiarity? > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Michael A. Jean > > > > > > > > > > Did you know you can email money with PayPal.com? PayPal.com is a > completely > > free service that lets users Beam Money to anyone with an email address. > > Click on this link to sign up and see for yourself: > > > > https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=michaeljean%40earthlink.net > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > The Kevin Keller Trio will be performing music from their new CD 'Across > the Sky' live online Thursday, April 25, at 10 pm PDT. > > Tune in to the live internet stream at > > http://radio.transbay.net:7070/ramgen/kpfa.ra > > (more info at http://www.kpfa.org) > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Mon Apr 29, 2002 2:10 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Optical Race -----Original Message----- From: Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid >i'd almost be willing to >give my left nut for either of those 2 synths.....along with an ARP 2600......a >Crumar Orchestrator......SC Prophet 5 and 10....and a few other select pieces of >gear...... I have a 2600 but you may keep your nuts. :-) >luckily, I have some sampler discs that have all the vintage >sounds....thank god.......i'd never be able to do any work on my debut CD if it >weren't for those....all the vintage toys would cost a fortune....especially the >ARP 2600....found out anyone that still owns one of those......and I only know 1 >musician that still does......if they were to sell it....they could name their >price........literally. I paid $300 for some partially working Moog modules in an open, homemade frame that was falling apart. I traded them for a near mint 2600, which has a cover and came with the old monophonic keyboard. I use it layered with my $100 Moog Taurus II pedals. Deals like these are hard to find and I consider myself more than lucky. Cheers, Bill From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Mon Apr 29, 2002 2:11 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Inferno CD prob -----Original Message----- From: fozziebear >It's a government thing. They are slowly arranging for all modern CDs to be incompatible with car CD players so that fewer and fewer people use cars because they can't listen to their favourite music. Without people knowing it, the government is forcing them to use Discman players on bikes instead. And they're healthier. Thus they live longer and pay more taxes. Foxy From: Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid Date: Mon Apr 29, 2002 2:42 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Optical Race Lucky SOB.....yer right...deals like that are nearly impossible to find......there's only one thing I have to worry about, if I do manage to get a 2600.......finding a place to put it.....the MIDI retrofit should be a breeze....either that, or I simply get a MIDI->CV interface....which, last time I checked, were fairly inexpensive....definitely not a piece of gear to sneeze at......they're hard-working machines.....heh...any chance ya might consider selling? :-) j/k............i'll find one somewhere. *radiowaves* Bill Fox wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid > >i'd almost be willing to > >give my left nut for either of those 2 synths.....along with an ARP 2600......a > >Crumar Orchestrator......SC Prophet 5 and 10....and a few other select pieces > of > >gear...... > > I have a 2600 but you may keep your nuts. :-) > > >luckily, I have some sampler discs that have all the vintage > >sounds....thank god.......i'd never be able to do any work on my debut CD if it > >weren't for those....all the vintage toys would cost a fortune....especially > the > >ARP 2600....found out anyone that still owns one of those......and I only know > 1 > >musician that still does......if they were to sell it....they could name their > >price........literally. > > I paid $300 for some partially working Moog modules in an open, homemade frame > that was falling apart. I traded them for a near mint 2600, which has a cover > and came with the old monophonic keyboard. I use it layered with my $100 Moog > Taurus II pedals. Deals like these are hard to find and I consider myself more > than lucky. > > Cheers, > > Bill > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Mon Apr 29, 2002 3:10 am Subject: Re: [Gearhead] Re: FA: Doepfer MAQ 16/3 -----Original Message----- From: Eirikur Hallgrimsson >A) I wish I was in Okefenokee. If I had the airfare I would have been, >complete with something to play. Save your pennies! Next year it will be in a desert out west. Exact location yet to be determined. This was my second year. (I missed the first year due to ultra-serious personal reasons.) A TD fan can hardly have a better time. As a musician, I found both years to be deeply satisfying. The people are fabulous!!!! >B) The moron from hell won the auction. Sorry to hear that. I should have bid on it before I left. The moron would probably have outbid me anyway, but at least I would have driven the price up a bit. :-) The lack of CV/Gate kept me out of the race. I hope all gets resolved to your satisfaction. Cheers, Bill Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33646 [Gearhead] Re: FA: Doepfer MAQ 16/3 mars103nl Mon 4/29/2002 2 KB From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Mon Apr 29, 2002 3:15 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Optical Race -----Original Message----- From: Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid >...heh...any chance ya might consider selling? :-) 8^D Foxy From: 'Admin' Date: Mon Apr 29, 2002 3:18 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Inferno CD prob Since I have not see the Official CD, is it normal mass produced CD? Or is it a CDR? Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Michael A Jean' To: Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2002 6:19 PM Subject: RE: [tadream] Inferno CD prob > The OFFICIAL CD is what isn't playing in the car...Not a CDR.... > > MJ > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Admin [mailto:admin@k...] > > Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 6:25 PM > > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [tadream] Inferno CD prob > > > > > > car player not being able to play cd-r's or not being multisession. > > > > or perhaps a bit of sorcery > > > > burn the witches > > > > but if you are on a sinking ship, I hear they float like wood > > > > ;-) > > > > dale > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: 'Michael A Jean' > > To: 'Tadreamonelist' > > Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 11:24 AM > > Subject: [tadream] Inferno CD prob > > > > > > > I've noticed that my INFERNO CD won't read or play in my car's > > CD player, > > > but it plays fine at home and in my portable. What might causes this > > > peculiarity? > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Michael A. Jean > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you know you can email money with PayPal.com? PayPal.com is a > > completely > > > free service that lets users Beam Money to anyone with an email address. > > > Click on this link to sign up and see for yourself: > > > > > > https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=michaeljean%40earthlink.net > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > > > The Kevin Keller Trio will be performing music from their new CD 'Across > > the Sky' live online Thursday, April 25, at 10 pm PDT. > > > Tune in to the live internet stream at > > > http://radio.transbay.net:7070/ramgen/kpfa.ra > > > (more info at http://www.kpfa.org) > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid Date: Mon Apr 29, 2002 3:33 am Subject: Okeefenokee/Ricochet Gathering Sounds like both events are a real blast........too bad I won't be able to get to either for at least 5 more yrs.......oh well.........I should have more than enough material by then....i'd hate to be stuck playing at a BM in the middle of northern Nevada...generator rentals are sky-high. From: 'vic rek' Date: Mon Apr 29, 2002 3:48 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Inferno CD prob > Since I have not see the Official CD, is it normal mass produced CD? Or is > it a CDR? I have one new CD left of Inferno from the Ricochet Gathering along with a couple of the Jerome 12' white vinyls. I also have some nice Ricochet Gathering t-shirts available. Please contact me off list if you are interested. As for the Ricochet Gathering, it was a fantastic time and I hope to write a detailed report in about a week or so once I get caught up with my 'normal' life. I thank Dave Brewer for the nice initial detailed report. I hope more of the attendees send in their reports or point us to a web page. Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33649 Re: Inferno CD prob Wade Gordon Mon 4/29/2002 3 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Mon Apr 29, 2002 5:48 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Optical Race >Wow. > >I can't say I've ever found it quite THAT annoying. I mean, at least it's >happy. I guess I sort of got carried away... and forgot to add that I was juxtaposing the track to the kids, not one's feelings about them. Now, if there was a track which would be alike the latter choice... I _don't_ want even to hear it. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From: 'mars103nl' Date: Mon Apr 29, 2002 6:44 am Subject: [Gearhead] Re: FA: Doepfer MAQ 16/3 --- In tadream@y..., 'Bill Fox' wrote: > > Sorry to hear that. I should have bid on it before I left. The moron would > probably have outbid me anyway, but at least I would have driven the price up a > bit. :-) The lack of CV/Gate kept me out of the race. I hope all gets > resolved to your satisfaction. It does have CV/gate mini-jacks on the back. I believe it's only a weird voltage (0 - 8V). Dave: great Okefenokee report. Interesting idea of SSO to 'play with the stars/planets'. Really interested in how the music turned out. Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Mon Apr 29, 2002 12:26 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: FA: Doepfer MAQ 16/3 ----- Original Message ----- From: mars103nl >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >--- In tadream@y..., 'Bill Fox' wrote: >>The lack of CV/Gate kept me out of the race. I hope all gets >> resolved to your satisfaction. > >It does have CV/gate mini-jacks on the back. >I believe it's only a weird voltage (0 - 8V). YOUR unit does but this was an ORIGINAL unit before CV/gate was added! It was a REALLY OLD unit. >Dave: great Okefenokee report. >Interesting idea of SSO to 'play with the stars/planets'. >Really interested in how the music turned out. There were some good bits. Today's tasks include fixing the #&$^@ caused by installing Outlook Express 6 (I was at OE4) and to start playing the DATs into my PC to make artist CDRs. Cheers, Bill Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33650 Re: FA: Doepfer MAQ 16/3 Marcel Engels Mon 4/29/2002 2 KB From: Wade Gordon Date: Mon Apr 29, 2002 3:21 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Inferno CD prob You're right Dale, I completely forgot to say to use a can of compressed air. I think maybe he has a weak, dirty, misaligned laser. Wade --- Admin wrote: > Sounds dangerous. Those brushes could knock the > laser out of alignment. The > real reason for the brushes are for a air current > not to really touch the > lens, however if they or something else pops up, it > will hit the lens/laser > and that is all for that unit. A can or compress air > is safer (note keyword > safer). If you have a camera and you manage to know > how to clean your camera > lens without scratching it, then you might want to > try to do the same with > the lens on the laser. But I still think it is the > disk not the unit. > > dale > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Wade Gordon' > To: > Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2002 10:02 AM > Subject: Re: [tadream] Inferno CD prob > > > > Try getting a laser cleaner. You can get one from > > Walmart or Radio Shack. You want the one with two > > brushes. > > > > Wade > > > > If you think its a conspiracy contact Art Bell. > > --- Michael A Jean > wrote: > > > I've noticed that my INFERNO CD won't read or > play > > > in my car's CD player, > > > but it plays fine at home and in my portable. > What > > > might causes this > > > peculiarity? > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Michael A. Jean > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you know you can email money with > PayPal.com? > > > PayPal.com is a completely > > > free service that lets users Beam Money to > anyone > > > with an email address. > > > Click on this link to sign up and see for > yourself: > > > > > > > > > https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=michaeljean%40earthlink.net > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > To unsubscribe: > > > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > > > The Kevin Keller Trio will be performing music > from > > > their new CD 'Across the Sky' live online > Thursday, > > > April 25, at 10 pm PDT. > > > Tune in to the live internet stream at > > > http://radio.transbay.net:7070/ramgen/kpfa.ra > > > (more info at http://www.kpfa.org) > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness > > http://health.yahoo.com > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From: Wade Gordon Date: Mon Apr 29, 2002 3:22 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Inferno CD prob Vic, Thanks for telling us about the gathering. Is there a plan to release a music c.d. from the gathering? Keep up the good work. Wade --- vic rek wrote: > > Since I have not see the Official CD, is it normal > mass produced CD? Or is > > it a CDR? > > I have one new CD left of Inferno from the Ricochet > Gathering along with a > couple of the Jerome 12' white vinyls. > I also have some nice Ricochet Gathering t-shirts > available. Please contact > me off list if you are interested. > > As for the Ricochet Gathering, it was a fantastic > time and I hope to write a > detailed report in about a week or so once I get > caught up with my 'normal' > life. I thank Dave Brewer for the nice initial > detailed report. I hope more > of the attendees send in their reports or point us > to a web page. > > Vic > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Mon Apr 29, 2002 3:05 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: FA: Doepfer MAQ 16/3 > From: Bill Fox [mailto:billfox@f...] > YOUR unit does but this was an ORIGINAL unit before CV/gate was > added! It was a > REALLY OLD unit. Ah okay, I didn't know that. Marcel http:/home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... hope a new CD (2CD?) will emerge from this years event! From: 'tei waz' Date: Mon Apr 29, 2002 5:16 pm Subject: re OT: Fidel vs Elfman + Unix/SATAN +long living bike riders >inclusion of Danny Elfman. Yes, you heard me right. No Brad Fidel and music composed by Elfman I take it you don't care for Danny's music or perhaps his soundtrack work or his orchestration or??? >Q: Is UNIX the spawn of Satan? A: And remember kids worship SATAN! >Without people knowing it, the government is forcing them to use Discman players on bikes instead. And they're healthier. Thus they live longer and pay more taxes.< not where I live--they get run over by things like gravel trucks. And people flipping tapes, talking on cell phones and changing CDs while driving ObTD np: 6/27/76--an analog tape from an analog TD diehard (Hi Al!) up next 10/12/75 Birmingham TD--mellotron mania _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33667 Re: re OT: Fidel vs Elfman + Unix/SATAN +long liv Wade Gordon Tue 4/30/2002 3 KB 33668 Re: re OT: Fidel vs Elfman + Unix/SATAN +long liv Wade Gordon Tue 4/30/2002 3 KB 33670 Re: re OT: Fidel vs Elfman + Unix/SATAN +long liv Administrator for kay-net.com Tue 4/30/2002 4 KB 33672 Re: re OT: Fidel vs Elfman + Unix/SATAN +long liv Wade Gordon Tue 4/30/2002 6 KB From: PENFOLD Date: Mon Apr 29, 2002 5:20 pm Subject: OT: A proposal to the Tree Participants With all the CD burning going on with the DWT2 & Tangerine Tree projects.....the inevitable's gonna occur, a bad burn resulting in a useless CD, aka a Coaster. Please don't toss out those Coasters! Send 'em to me! I can make good use of them and keep these things out of our landfills where they probably will take hundreds to thousands of years to decompose! If you haven't been to http://www.anet.net/~penfold/coastergarden.html and have some coasters laying around, go to the above link and see the beauty in a discarded product. Or see what ~12,000 CD-ROMs look like! I'll take any and all Coasters (even those %&$#^$#!!!!! AOL ones!) and If you wish I'll add a section to this page thanking you for your contribution and patronage of the Arts! Pete Isaacson aka °º¤ø,¸DJ DreamHead¸,ø¤º° mailto:penfold@a...?subject=DJDreamHead http://www.anet.net/~penfold/)^(djdreamhead.html Yahoo Chat: penfold235 ····· AIM: PENFOLD235 1984, Saw 'The Keep' LP at Tower Records, actually held it, didn't have the $$.....Damn!!!!! 'Absence of the KEEP LP is not evidence of its non-existence.' - Steven Feldman Watch the Coasters Grow! at: http://www.anet.net/~penfold/coastergarden.html Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33653 Re: OT: A proposal to the Tree Participants Mark Filipak Mon 4/29/2002 3 KB From: Mark Filipak Date: Mon Apr 29, 2002 8:00 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: A proposal to the Tree Participants PENFOLD wrote: > > With all the CD burning going on with the DWT2 & Tangerine Tree > projects.....the inevitable's gonna occur, a bad burn resulting in a > useless CD, aka a Coaster. > > Please don't toss out those Coasters! Send 'em to me! > > I can make good use of them and keep these things out of our > landfills where they probably will take hundreds to thousands of years > to decompose! > > If you haven't been to > http://www.anet.net/~penfold/coastergarden.html and > have some coasters laying around, go to the above link and see the > beauty in a discarded product. Or see what ~12,000 CD-ROMs look like! > > I'll take any and all Coasters (even those %&$#^$#!!!!! AOL > ones!) and If you wish I'll add a section to this page thanking you for > your contribution and patronage of the Arts! You're quite mad, Pete. You do know that, don't you? Ciao -- Mark (...Don't get mad, and don't get even, either. Get odd!...) -- See my resume: http://home.earthlink.net/~filipak/resume/ See my music trade pages: http://home.earthlink.net/~filipak/music/ Last updated: 14 April 2002 Q: Is UNIX the spawn of Satan? From: Mark Filipak Date: Mon Apr 29, 2002 8:20 pm Subject: OT: Request for help with Cool Edit Pro 1.2 Hello All! (...Please forgive the crosspost...) I've used Cool Edit Pro, version 1.2 for quite a while. I have what to me seems like a simple task to accomplish, but I can't figure it out. Would some Cool Edit Pros care to help me, off list? Thanks -- Mark (...thinking that maybe it's too easy for my cluttered, over-technified brain...) -- See my resume: http://home.earthlink.net/~filipak/resume/ See my music trade pages: http://home.earthlink.net/~filipak/music/ Last updated: 14 April 2002 Q: Is UNIX the spawn of Satan? From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Mon Apr 29, 2002 7:44 pm Subject: Lost Email Dear Friends and Colleagues, Due to upgrading Outlook Express from version 4 to 6, I've lost all of my saved email. There were some recent messages since my last backup which needed responses. If you are waiting for me to answer you, please write to me again. Sorry for the inconvenience. Best regards, Bill billfox@f... http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://www.tadream.net/soundscapes From: Mark Filipak Date: Mon Apr 29, 2002 11:35 pm Subject: The Keep on CD in 1984 Hi. I have it on good authority that 'The Keep' was pressed on CD in 1984. It was one of the first experimental CD test pressings, made under cross-license between Sony and Virgin. It was not supposed to be sold, but some were accidentally shipped to stores and were quickly recalled. My authority is none other than our own Pete Isaacson. He swears that he held it in his hands. I believe he was in his garden at the time. Ciao -- Mark -- See my resume: http://home.earthlink.net/~filipak/resume/ See my music trade pages: http://home.earthlink.net/~filipak/music/ Last updated: 14 April 2002 Q: Is UNIX the spawn of Satan? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33658 Re: The Keep on CD in 1984 Admin Tue 4/30/2002 2 KB 33659 Re: The Keep on CD in 1984 PENFOLD Tue 4/30/2002 3 KB 33660 Re: The Keep on CD in 1984 Dan Downey Tue 4/30/2002 4 KB 33661 Re: The Keep on CD in 1984 scfeldman@j... Tue 4/30/2002 3 KB From: Morgan Feldon Date: Tue Apr 30, 2002 12:25 am Subject: The Keep Mark, You could just e-mail Feldman if you want his attention. :) -Morgan From: 'Admin' Date: Tue Apr 30, 2002 1:55 am Subject: Re: [tadream] The Keep on CD in 1984 I too have a garden. I use those disks to keep the birds at bay. Makes nice flashy pretty pretty. Lately I been noticing something a tad bit more sinister. Something that goes precious precious. ;-) dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Mark Filipak' To: 'tadream' Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 4:35 PM Subject: [tadream] The Keep on CD in 1984 > My authority is none other than our own Pete Isaacson. He swears that he > held it in his hands. I believe he was in his garden at the time. > > Ciao -- Mark From: PENFOLD Date: Tue Apr 30, 2002 2:33 am Subject: Re: [tadream] The Keep on CD in 1984 At 02.04.29-19:35, Mark Filipak wrote: >I have it on good authority that 'The Keep' was pressed on CD in 1984. It >was one of the first experimental CD test pressings, made under >cross-license between Sony and Virgin. It was not supposed to be sold, but >some were accidentally shipped to stores and were quickly recalled. 'The Keep' on *CD* in 1984? You gotta be pulling our leg here! I didn't see CDs' on the shelves of Tower Records until the late 1980's! >My authority is none other than our own Pete Isaacson. He swears that he >held it in his hands What I held in *my* hands was the LP, but didn't have the cash to get it.....the next week when I had the $$ and went back to Tower......Doh! Gone! > I believe he was in his garden at the time. I'll pretend I didn't see this Pete Isaacson aka °º¤ø,¸DJ DreamHead¸,ø¤º° mailto:penfold@a...?subject=DJDreamHead http://www.anet.net/~penfold/)^(djdreamhead.html Yahoo Chat: penfold235 ····· AIM: PENFOLD235 1984, Saw 'The Keep' LP at Tower Records, actually held it, didn't have the $$.....Damn!!!!! 'Absence of the KEEP LP is not evidence of its non-existence.' - Steven Feldman Watch the Coasters Grow! at: http://www.anet.net/~penfold/coastergarden.html Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33660 Re: The Keep on CD in 1984 Dan Downey Tue 4/30/2002 4 KB From: Dan Downey Date: Tue Apr 30, 2002 3:01 am Subject: Re: [tadream] The Keep on CD in 1984 --- PENFOLD wrote: > At 02.04.29-19:35, Mark Filipak wrote: > >I have it on good authority that 'The Keep' was > pressed on CD in 1984. It > >was one of the first experimental CD test > pressings, made under > >cross-license between Sony and Virgin. It was not > supposed to be sold, but > >some were accidentally shipped to stores and were > quickly recalled. > > 'The Keep' on *CD* in 1984? You gotta be > pulling our leg here! I > didn't see CDs' on the shelves of Tower Records > until the late 1980's! A couple of the earliest CDs I bought were in '85 -Jarre's Zoolook and Jobson's Theme of Secrets. I still use both as test discs when I demo any new stereo gear. There was a CD only store In Cambridge MA in 84 called BCD (Boston Compact Disc) a really tiny store. They just put out the booklets in glassine envelopes you could open and read and let you listen to any CD. > > >My authority is none other than our own Pete > Isaacson. He swears that he > >held it in his hands > > What I held in *my* hands was the LP, but > didn't have the cash to > get it.....the next week when I had the $$ and went > back to Tower......Doh! > Gone! > > > I believe he was in his garden at the time. > > I'll pretend I didn't see this > > > > > Pete Isaacson aka °º¤ø,¸DJ DreamHead¸,ø¤º° > mailto:penfold@a...?subject=DJDreamHead > http://www.anet.net/~penfold/)^(djdreamhead.html > Yahoo Chat: penfold235 ····· AIM: PENFOLD235 > 1984, Saw 'The Keep' LP at Tower Records, actually > held it, didn't have the > $$.....Damn!!!!! > 'Absence of the KEEP LP is not evidence of its > non-existence.' - Steven > Feldman > > Watch the Coasters Grow! at: > http://www.anet.net/~penfold/coastergarden.html > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ===== DanD - aka DJAmbient www.dtbits.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From: scfeldman@j... Date: Tue Apr 30, 2002 4:49 am Subject: Re: [tadream] The Keep on CD in 1984 On Mon, 29 Apr 2002 19:35:40 -0400 Mark Filipak writes: >Hi. > >I have it on good authority that 'The Keep' was pressed on >CD in 1984. [. . .] My authority is none other than our >own Pete Isaacson. He swears that he held it in his hands. >I believe he was in his garden at the time. Well, the joke is, if and when anyone finally gets ahold of the 1984 LP or tape (because I agree that the existence of a 1984 KEEP CD is not that likely, even though there were CDs in the shop the day I saw the KEEP LP) and puts it on the dreaded eBAY, no one on this list will be able to match the price people in the real world will pay for it. So, once again, the hardcore TD zombies will be left out of the loop -- just like they were in 1984. ;) >Ciao -- Mark Stephe Feldman, a Man-Woman Trying to Look the Part Androgyne Online http://androgyne.0catch.com/ explains it [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Joe Shoults Date: Tue Apr 30, 2002 5:44 am Subject: Totally wired show from old TD Tape Tree now online http://www.tadream.net/download/td1.mp3 (11MB) before I proceeded to accidentally trip over my patch cord, effectively destroying my output jack on my wife's boombox (she's gonna kill me), I dubbed a copy of a 'Totally Wired' (credit John Diliberto) radio show about/with TD from one of the old tape trees. It is quite interesting, including an interview about how technology has aided the compositional process (and thus altered how performances are delivered), plus an interview with Edgar about the Legend soundtrack (his vs. Goldsmith's) from one of the old TD Tape Tree cassettes. I thought it might be timely considering the recent release of the Legend DVD. enjoy, Joe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33666 Re: Totally wired show from old TD Tape Tree now Utch Entel Tue 4/30/2002 3 KB 33675 Re: Totally wired show from old TD Tape Tree now Jim Moore Wed 5/1/2002 2 KB From: Liondream@a... Date: Tue Apr 30, 2002 7:32 am Subject: Optical Race Back then, I bet the Atari was probably only used for midi sequencing. As for percussion, I do remember recognizing a Yamaha RX5 on the Livemiles cover shot. Wes In a message dated 4/28/2002 7:14:46 AM Central Daylight Time, tadream@yahoogroups.com writes: > Message: 16 > Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 17:32:38 -0700 > From: 'Admin' > Subject: Re: Optical Race > > Makes sense. You think they used the Atari for the percussion as well? I can > hear a lot of effects (reverbs, compressors, some type of flanger?). > > dale > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Liondream@a... Date: Tue Apr 30, 2002 7:43 am Subject: ARP 2600 A while ago, a guy I knew (Brian Gorman) had a few of these in his vintage keyboard shop. Don't know if he was selling them then, maybe he still has them and is selling them now. The Electric Keyboard in Evanston, Illinois. electrickeyboard.com (I think) In a message dated 4/29/2002 7:23:53 AM Central Daylight Time, tadream@yahoogroups.com writes: > Message: 11 > Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 22:42:36 -0400 > From: Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid > Subject: Re: Optical Race > > Lucky SOB.....yer right...deals like that are nearly impossible to > find......there's > only one thing I have to worry about, if I do manage to get a > 2600.......finding a > place to put it.....the MIDI retrofit should be a breeze....either that, or > I simply > get a MIDI->CV interface....which, last time I checked, were fairly > inexpensive....definitely not a piece of gear to sneeze at......they're > hard-working > machines.....heh...any chance ya might consider selling? :-) > j/k............i'll > find one somewhere. > > *radiowaves* [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33665 Re: ARP 2600 Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid Tue 4/30/2002 3 KB From: Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid Date: Tue Apr 30, 2002 2:46 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] ARP 2600 Thanx for the tip....will check into it. Liondream@a... wrote: > A while ago, a guy I knew (Brian Gorman) had a few of these in his vintage > keyboard shop. Don't know if he was selling them then, maybe he still has > them and is selling them now. > > The Electric Keyboard in Evanston, Illinois. > > electrickeyboard.com (I think) > > In a message dated 4/29/2002 7:23:53 AM Central Daylight Time, > tadream@yahoogroups.com writes: > > > Message: 11 > > Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 22:42:36 -0400 > > From: Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid > > Subject: Re: Optical Race > > > > Lucky SOB.....yer right...deals like that are nearly impossible to > > find......there's > > only one thing I have to worry about, if I do manage to get a > > 2600.......finding a > > place to put it.....the MIDI retrofit should be a breeze....either that, or > > I simply > > get a MIDI->CV interface....which, last time I checked, were fairly > > inexpensive....definitely not a piece of gear to sneeze at......they're > > hard-working > > machines.....heh...any chance ya might consider selling? :-) > > j/k............i'll > > find one somewhere. > > > > *radiowaves* > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Utch Entel' Date: Tue Apr 30, 2002 3:34 pm Subject: Re: Totally wired show from old TD Tape Tree now online Thanks, Joe! I appreciate you providing this link... ...very interesting interview. You got any more of these??? ...Utch >http://www.tadream.net/download/td1.mp3 (11MB) > >before I proceeded to accidentally trip over my patch cord, effectively >destroying my output jack on my wife's boombox (she's gonna kill me), I >dubbed a copy of a 'Totally Wired' (credit John Diliberto) radio show >about/with TD from one of the old tape trees. It is quite interesting, >including an interview about how technology has aided the compositional >process (and thus altered how performances are delivered), plus an interview >with Edgar about the Legend soundtrack (his vs. Goldsmith's) from one of the >old TD Tape Tree cassettes. I thought it might be timely considering the >recent release of the Legend DVD. > >enjoy, >Joe --------------- Tear and crumple after reading --------------- Time is an illusion. Lunchtime doubly so. --Douglas Adams From: Wade Gordon Date: Tue Apr 30, 2002 3:40 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] re OT: Fidel vs Elfman + Unix/SATAN +long living bike riders You should tell this all to Art Bell. Wade --- tei waz wrote: > >inclusion of Danny Elfman. Yes, you heard me > right. > No Brad Fidel and music composed by Elfman > > I take it you don't care for Danny's music or > perhaps his soundtrack work or > his orchestration or??? > > >Q: Is UNIX the spawn of Satan? > > A: And remember kids worship SATAN! > > > >Without people knowing it, the > government is forcing them to use Discman players on > bikes instead. > > And they're healthier. Thus they live longer and > pay more taxes.< > > not where I live--they get run over by things like > gravel trucks. And people > flipping tapes, talking on cell phones and changing > CDs while driving > > ObTD np: 6/27/76--an analog tape from an analog TD > diehard (Hi Al!) > up next 10/12/75 Birmingham TD--mellotron mania > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: > http://messenger.msn.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From: Wade Gordon Date: Tue Apr 30, 2002 3:41 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] re OT: Fidel vs Elfman + Unix/SATAN +long living bike riders You should tell this all to Art Bell. I do like Danny Elfman's music. I just go by the principle 'If it ain't broke don't fix it.' Wade --- tei waz wrote: > >inclusion of Danny Elfman. Yes, you heard me > right. > No Brad Fidel and music composed by Elfman > > I take it you don't care for Danny's music or > perhaps his soundtrack work or > his orchestration or??? > > >Q: Is UNIX the spawn of Satan? > > A: And remember kids worship SATAN! > > > >Without people knowing it, the > government is forcing them to use Discman players on > bikes instead. > > And they're healthier. Thus they live longer and > pay more taxes.< > > not where I live--they get run over by things like > gravel trucks. And people > flipping tapes, talking on cell phones and changing > CDs while driving > > ObTD np: 6/27/76--an analog tape from an analog TD > diehard (Hi Al!) > up next 10/12/75 Birmingham TD--mellotron mania > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: > http://messenger.msn.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From: Morgan Feldon Date: Tue Apr 30, 2002 5:27 pm Subject: Legend 2 disc DVD reviewed Legend 2 disc DVD reviewed http://www.dvdfile.com/software/review/dvd-video_4/legend.html -Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33742 Golden Collection 2000 Paul Fellows Mon 5/6/2002 2 KB From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Tue Apr 30, 2002 6:44 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] re OT: Fidel vs Elfman + Unix/SATAN +long living bike riders I think that this post might be history. You mentioned Art Bell. I think this might be the first time on this list he was mentioned. I have seen this interesting fellow only once. dale Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Wade Gordon' To: Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 8:40 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] re OT: Fidel vs Elfman + Unix/SATAN +long living bike riders > You should tell this all to Art Bell. > > Wade > --- tei waz wrote: > > >inclusion of Danny Elfman. Yes, you heard me > > right. > > No Brad Fidel and music composed by Elfman > > > > I take it you don't care for Danny's music or > > perhaps his soundtrack work or > > his orchestration or??? > > > > >Q: Is UNIX the spawn of Satan? > > > > A: And remember kids worship SATAN! > > > > > > >Without people knowing it, the > > government is forcing them to use Discman players on > > bikes instead. > > > > And they're healthier. Thus they live longer and > > pay more taxes.< > > > > not where I live--they get run over by things like > > gravel trucks. And people > > flipping tapes, talking on cell phones and changing > > CDs while driving > > > > ObTD np: 6/27/76--an analog tape from an analog TD > > diehard (Hi Al!) > > up next 10/12/75 Birmingham TD--mellotron mania > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: > > http://messenger.msn.com > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: > > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness > http://health.yahoo.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33672 Re: re OT: Fidel vs Elfman + Unix/SATAN +long liv Wade Gordon Tue 4/30/2002 6 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Tue Apr 30, 2002 7:33 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Totally wired show from old TD Tape Tree now on line you're welcome! yeah, I'll have to dig up the rest of my tapes (haha- I mean FIND them). NOTE: if anyone else out there has old TD Tape Tree tapes you'd like converted, I'll be happy to accept them and convert them to mp3 and make available for download from tadream.net. Sorry, i won't be able to return them except as the mp3, so make your own copy before sending if you want one. contact me offlist if you need, or send them directly, and my mailing address is here: http://www.tadream.net/joe/cds.htm Joe np: Eloy - Ocean > -----Original Message----- > From: Utch Entel [mailto:Utch@i...] > Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 11:34 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Re: Totally wired show from old TD Tape Tree now > online > > > Thanks, Joe! > > I appreciate you providing this link... ...very interesting > interview. > You got any more of these??? > > ...Utch > > >http://www.tadream.net/download/td1.mp3 (11MB) > > > >before I proceeded to accidentally trip over my patch cord, > effectively > >destroying my output jack on my wife's boombox (she's gonna > kill me), I > >dubbed a copy of a 'Totally Wired' (credit John Diliberto) radio show > >about/with TD from one of the old tape trees. It is quite > interesting, > >including an interview about how technology has aided the > compositional > >process (and thus altered how performances are delivered), > plus an interview > >with Edgar about the Legend soundtrack (his vs. Goldsmith's) > from one of the > >old TD Tape Tree cassettes. I thought it might be timely > considering the > >recent release of the Legend DVD. > > > >enjoy, > >Joe > > --------------- Tear and crumple after reading --------------- > > Time is an illusion. Lunchtime doubly so. --Douglas Adams > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Wade Gordon Date: Tue Apr 30, 2002 8:27 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] re OT: Fidel vs Elfman + Unix/SATAN +long living bike riders Believe it or not,I have been on Art Bell myself as a guest. I have also been on Jeff Rense's program. I did not think that my post concerning the music for T-3 would cause such a responce. Yes, I think Danny Elfman is a good composer. No, I do not think he is right for T-3. Brad Feidel created the sound and I think for the sake of connunity he should be allowed to continue. I think this decision was based on politics and money and not for artistic considerations. I realize that there is a lot of money invested in the motion picture, but Brad sold quite a few c.d.'s himself even spinning off 'Collectors Editions.' I don't work in Hollywood. I have in the past had a treatment of mine turned into a television program. Wade --- 'Administrator for kay-net.com' wrote: > I think that this post might be history. You > mentioned Art Bell. I think > this might be the first time on this list he was > mentioned. I have seen this > interesting fellow only once. > > dale > > Administrator for Kay-Net.com > admin@k... > 661-723-0266 > Your best source for Computer Products, Internet > needs and Knowledge. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Wade Gordon' > To: > Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 8:40 AM > Subject: Re: [tadream] re OT: Fidel vs Elfman + > Unix/SATAN +long living bike > riders > > > > You should tell this all to Art Bell. > > > > Wade > > --- tei waz wrote: > > > >inclusion of Danny Elfman. Yes, you heard me > > > right. > > > No Brad Fidel and music composed by Elfman > > > > > > I take it you don't care for Danny's music or > > > perhaps his soundtrack work or > > > his orchestration or??? > > > > > > >Q: Is UNIX the spawn of Satan? > > > > > > A: And remember kids worship SATAN! > > > > > > > > > >Without people knowing it, the > > > government is forcing them to use Discman > players on > > > bikes instead. > > > > > > And they're healthier. Thus they live longer > and > > > pay more taxes.< > > > > > > not where I live--they get run over by things > like > > > gravel trucks. And people > > > flipping tapes, talking on cell phones and > changing > > > CDs while driving > > > > > > ObTD np: 6/27/76--an analog tape from an analog > TD > > > diehard (Hi Al!) > > > up next 10/12/75 Birmingham TD--mellotron mania > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: > > > http://messenger.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > To unsubscribe: > > > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness > > http://health.yahoo.com > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From: 'horrod6' Date: Tue Apr 30, 2002 10:09 pm Subject: Re: Record Store employees Dale said: 'you are not paid to be smart there.' Well, you may not be _paid_ to be smart, but the odd intelligent person gets in by accident. A couple of years ago I noticed that my local HMV had upped its TD holdings massively from the usual 3 titles. I commented on this when I went to pay for my (multitudinous) purchases (this was before I had discovered the joys of buying EM on the net). I found that the guy fracturing my plastic was the buyer responsible. He said that he'd been doing some investigation of what was selling well elsewhere, and come to the conclusion that it was worth trying a broader selection of EM on the Edinburgh public, and seeing whether we would buy it. A simple idea, but one that seems beyond many record stores. LnH Marion np: Star Sounds Orchestra: Kosmophonen (signed copy acquired at the Ricochet Gathering at the Okefenokee - gloat, gloat!) P.S. My local Virgin usually puts TD in New Age, HMV in Rock & Pop. I agree that on the whole I'd like to see stores sort by artist & title, without categorising. But what about classical - theoretically you'd file it under the orchestra (or maybe conductor), but would you _really_ expect to go looking for Vaughan Williams' Antarctic Symphony under 'Berlin Philharmonic' or 'Simon Rattle'? From: 'gyedid01' Date: Tue Apr 30, 2002 10:37 pm Subject: Re: Optical Race --- In tadream@y..., 'John Vertical' wrote: > Atlas Eyes starts remarkably slowly (considering that it's only 4 minutes > long) but after that it get nervous... It's also the closest thing on the album to 'experimental', considering that it's in 5/4 time. ;) > Mothers Of Rain continues along similar veins as Marakesh, with a warmer > tone. Strong voices for a Melrose Years piece. It feels more like sunshine > than rain. Perhaps a sunshine after rain? Well, if you want to split hairs, 'Mothers of Rain' technically isn't a Melrose Years piece. It debuted as an encore on the UK leg of TD's 1986 tour. A rather different arrangement, sort of halfway between _Legend_ and _Tyger_--in fact I wouldn't be at all surprised if it was a leftover from the Legend sessions. It got 'Moroder-ized' for _Optical Race_--but became something of a Melrose Years classic as a result... Gabe From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Wed May 1, 2002 1:47 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Totally wired show from old TD Tape Tree now online Great clip! Thanks! What was the recording date? -----Original Message----- From: Joe Shoults [mailto:jshoults@f...] Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 1:44 AM To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com ' Subject: [tadream] Totally wired show from old TD Tape Tree now online From: 'Admin' Date: Wed May 1, 2002 6:34 am Subject: Dreamwatcher's Tales I Anyone have a copy of Dreamwatcher's Tales 1? Yes that was a very rhetorical question. Please contact me as I would like to get a copy. Also what is the deadline for Dreamwatcher's Tales III? ;-) Dale Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33679 Re: Dreamwatcher's Tales I Richard Wed 5/1/2002 2 KB From: Kevin Keller Date: Wed May 1, 2002 10:02 am Subject: Free Music and the Final Spring Show TICKETS ON SALE for FINAL SPRING SHOW With the success of our recent concerts at the Morrison and Chabot planetariums, we are very excited to bring our new multi-sensual show to San Francisco's Presidio Chapel for the final date of our Spring Tour. Please join us for this intimate evening of classical space music in a beautiful venue, with visuals by Luna/Visual Meditation. Dagny will be the opening DJ, spinning luscious ambient music for your enjoyment. Be sure to leave some extra time to find the Chapel - it's easy to get lost in the Presidio. Tickets now available online at Ticketweb. Kevin Keller Trio (Tania Simoncelli/cello, Mark Fassett/bass, Kevin Keller/piano & keyboards) with special guest Dagny Visuals by Luna/Visual Meditation Thursday, May 30, 8 PM Presidio Main Post Chapel 130 Fisher Loop, San Francisco, CA Admission: $12.50 in advance/$15 at the door For directions, call (415) 561-6783, or visit the Concert page at http://www.kevinkeller.com/look.html Follow this link to purchase tickets online http://www.ticketweb.com/user/?region=xxx&query=detail&event=306339 or visit http://www.kevinkeller.com FREE MUSIC at the LISTENING STATION 'The Blossoms of Change I', the fourth single from Across the Sky is now available as a free download at the Listening Station. This is one of our most daring pieces of music, combining effervescent rhythm & sequencer tracks with Tania's soaring cello lines to create a journey full of wonder, passion, and intensity. Also available is 'Lyra', a deeply moving piece for solo piano. Please visit the Listening Station at http://www.kevinkeller.com/listen.html CHABOT CONCERT A GREAT SUCCESS Thank you to everyone who came out to the Chabot Space & Science Center last Friday, April 26, and helped make it a wonderful evening. We had a full house and a great show, and we really enjoyed meeting so many of you afterwards. Thank you for your continued support. We look forward to seeing you soon. Kevin Keller Trio [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'rbicon' Date: Wed May 1, 2002 10:08 am Subject: Bootlegs and vcd's to trade Hello, i finally have time to update my list.I'm trading electronic music bootlegs and electronic,rock and progressive shows on vcd. I'm looking for an early Klaus Schulze live recording in the 74 year. Is this such a recording exist? Also,congratulations to every creator in Dreamwatchers' Tales II. It's very good. Some pieces on this cd are outstanding. Boys,you have skill! Sylvain from Québec n/p:Dreamwatchers' Tales II http://pages.infinit.net/musicfan/index.htm http://pages.infinit.net/musicfan/dossierbootlegs/bootelectronik.htm http://pages.infinit.net/musicfan/thevideocorner.htm From: Richard Date: Wed May 1, 2002 4:56 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Dreamwatcher's Tales I Is there going to be a DW 3 ??? >Anyone have a copy of Dreamwatcher's Tales 1? >Yes that was a very rhetorical question. >Please contact me as I would like to get a copy. > >Also what is the deadline for Dreamwatcher's Tales III? > >;-) > >Dale > > > > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- >Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at >http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > >Tangerine Tree info at >http://www.tadream.net/tree > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > -- Richard F From: Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid Date: Wed May 1, 2002 5:06 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Dreamwatcher's Tales III As far as I know, there will be a Vol. 3.......i'm still trying to find out what the deadline is, so I can have 2 traks in for it. Richard wrote: > Is there going to be a DW 3 ??? > > >Anyone have a copy of Dreamwatcher's Tales 1? > >Yes that was a very rhetorical question. > >Please contact me as I would like to get a copy. > > > >Also what is the deadline for Dreamwatcher's Tales III? > > > >;-) > > > >Dale > > > > > > > > > >----------------------------------------------------_- > >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >----------------------------------------------------_- > >Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > >http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > >Tangerine Tree info at > >http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > -- > Richard F > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33681 Re: Dreamwatcher's Tales III Administrator for kay-net.com Wed 5/1/2002 4 KB From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Wed May 1, 2002 5:16 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Dreamwatcher's Tales III I would hope there will be. There is so much more to explore. dale Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid' To: Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 10:06 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Dreamwatcher's Tales III > As far as I know, there will be a Vol. 3.......i'm still trying to find out > what the deadline is, so I can have 2 traks in for it. > > > > Richard wrote: > > > Is there going to be a DW 3 ??? > > > > >Anyone have a copy of Dreamwatcher's Tales 1? > > >Yes that was a very rhetorical question. > > >Please contact me as I would like to get a copy. > > > > > >Also what is the deadline for Dreamwatcher's Tales III? > > > > > >;-) > > > > > >Dale > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----------------------------------------------------_- > > >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > >----------------------------------------------------_- > > >Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > >http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > > >Tangerine Tree info at > > >http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Richard F > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Wed May 1, 2002 8:15 pm Subject: Fw: [beyond_em] STAR'S END T20 April 2002 Kudos to the other Ricochet Musos of 2001... ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Chuck van Zyl' Subject: [beyond_em] STAR'S END T20 April 2002 > STAR'S END 1-6AM SatNite/SunMorn 88.5FM WXPN Philadelphia, PA > Top 20 For March 2002 (alphabetical) Compiled by Chuck van Zyl > > ARTIST - ALBUM - LABEL > Various Artists - Okefenokee Dreams 2001 - Quantum Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33685 Re: Fw: [beyond_em] STAR'S END T20 April 2002 Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid Thu 5/2/2002 3 KB From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Wed May 1, 2002 8:28 pm Subject: Dreamwatchers 2 ???? what happened????? Is it in anyway possible to get a copy of Dreamwatchers Tale 2 ???????? Apparently I wasn't added to the distribution-list. My mail must have disappeared somehow........hmmmmm Anyyway, we are a couple of musicians who thinks it would be nice to listen to what the others did on that project. Jan & Michael Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33684 Re: Dreamwatchers 2 ???? what happened????? Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid Thu 5/2/2002 3 KB 33686 Re: Dreamwatchers 2 ???? what happened????? Admin Thu 5/2/2002 3 KB 33692 Re: Dreamwatchers 2 ???? what happened????? PERGAMON Thu 5/2/2002 3 KB From: Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid Date: Thu May 2, 2002 1:16 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Dreamwatchers 2 ???? what happened????? I put in my req to get a copy of it, but no luck. PERGAMON wrote: > Is it in anyway possible to get a copy of Dreamwatchers Tale 2 ???????? > > Apparently I wasn't added to the distribution-list. My mail must have disappeared somehow........hmmmmm > > Anyyway, we are a couple of musicians who thinks it would be nice to listen to what the others did on that project. > > Jan & Michael > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid Date: Thu May 2, 2002 1:17 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Fw: [beyond_em] STAR'S END T20 April 2002 Hey Chuck........if yer on this list...........please email me......I need to talk to ya. Mark H. Bill Fox wrote: > Kudos to the other Ricochet Musos of 2001... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Chuck van Zyl' > Subject: [beyond_em] STAR'S END T20 April 2002 > > > STAR'S END 1-6AM SatNite/SunMorn 88.5FM WXPN Philadelphia, PA > > Top 20 For March 2002 (alphabetical) Compiled by Chuck van Zyl > > > > ARTIST - ALBUM - LABEL > > Various Artists - Okefenokee Dreams 2001 - Quantum > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Admin' Date: Thu May 2, 2002 1:39 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Dreamwatchers 2 ???? what happened????? Contact me off list if you need a copy of DWTII. I have copies of these I can send you. dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid' To: Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 6:16 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Dreamwatchers 2 ???? what happened????? > I put in my req to get a copy of it, but no luck. > > PERGAMON wrote: > > > Is it in anyway possible to get a copy of Dreamwatchers Tale 2 ???????? > > > > Apparently I wasn't added to the distribution-list. My mail must have disappeared somehow........hmmmmm > > > > Anyyway, we are a couple of musicians who thinks it would be nice to listen to what the others did on that project. > > > > Jan & Michael > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Thu May 2, 2002 7:14 am Subject: Steve Roach and Paul Ellis Live in Portland Oregon June 29th Steve Roach and Paul Ellis will be presenting: An Evening of Visionary Electronic Music Saturday June 29th, Portland Oregon at the Aladdin Theater. Tickets are available now from www.ticketmaster.com for $17.95 Internationally renowned electronic innovator Steve Roach makes his first solo appearance in Portland's beautiful Aladdin Theater on June 29th, 7:00PM. Opening the concert will be Portland's own accomplished longtime electronic artist Paul Ellis who's dynamic and melodic sounds heard on his most recent 'Into the Liquid Unknown' (Hypnos/Binary) which has brought accolades worldwide and placed in several top twenty essential release lists of 2001. Both artists work in a solo setting building from myriad of instruments. Roach is well known for the his magical concerts that feature an organic-electronic blending from didgeridoos to digital synthesizers along with extensive sound processing in the moment. As one of the few electronic-based artists performing live consistently for over 20 years, Roach's engagements have taken him from concert halls in the United States, Canada, and Europe, to lava caves in the Canary Islands and volcanic craters in Mexico. These exotic settings have helped him further shape his art form, a sonic vision that thrives in a sphere beyond categories, national boundaries, cultural barriers, and quite often, time itself. Paul Ellis has been recording and releasing music in both solo and group settings for a dozen years and was a founding member of Dweller at the Threshold, an electronic trio who tapped into the roots of European Electronic music. His solo sound has evolved into an artful combination of intriguing sound creation, highly crafted melodic forms and interwoven rhythmic patterns. This rare concert at the Aladdin will offer an exciting look into the live sound worlds of these 2 diverse electronic artists. It's the music born of imagination, rich in its ability to conjure visual imagery and inspire the creative mind. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34394 Steve Roach and Paul Ellis Live in Portland Orego Synthhtnys@a... Thu 6/20/2002 4 KB From: Date: Thu May 2, 2002 2:26 pm Subject: L àffaire wallraff on auction Hello, I have stared today on ebay folowing auction: Tangerine Dream - original L àffaire Wallraff CD http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=866528663 This is not the Bootleg version, this is the ultra rare official EMI France version. Starting price are: US $ 1 Reserve price: US $ 80 Regards heiko - Mr. Optical www.opticaldream.de [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Thu May 2, 2002 2:58 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Record Store employees ----- Original Message ----- From: 'horrod6' > P.S. My local Virgin usually puts TD in New Age, HMV in Rock & Pop. My local Virgin keeps all the boys at arm's length! :-) Foxy From: Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid Date: Thu May 2, 2002 3:25 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Record Store employees Welp....looks like one of the local CD shops, in Guelph, Ontario...called Music World has out-done all of the others stores........they're putting TD, Jarre', etc...in with everything else now.....so the hunt is even worse. Bill Fox wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'horrod6' > > P.S. My local Virgin usually puts TD in New Age, HMV in Rock & Pop. > > My local Virgin keeps all the boys at arm's length! :-) > > Foxy > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Antonio Nunes Date: Thu May 2, 2002 4:13 pm Subject: OT: WinAmp's 'malicious MP3' vulnerability Hi all, If you use Winamp to play your MP3 files, please take a look at this page: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/55/25075.html Antonio From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Thu May 2, 2002 5:42 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Dreamwatchers 2 ???? what happened????? Hi all Sorry if I have offended anyone with this mail. I was just asking a question. No harm was intended. Regards Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: 'PERGAMON' To: Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 10:28 PM Subject: [tadream] Dreamwatchers 2 ???? what happened????? > Is it in anyway possible to get a copy of Dreamwatchers Tale 2 ???????? > > Apparently I wasn't added to the distribution-list. My mail must have disappeared somehow........hmmmmm > > Anyyway, we are a couple of musicians who thinks it would be nice to listen to what the others did on that project. > > Jan & Michael > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Thu May 2, 2002 5:51 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] L àffaire wallraff on auction WOOOOWWW!!!!, .......... I have this one......... Maybe its time to have a look at my collection and see if there should be more rare stuff........=O) Regards Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: [tadream] L àffaire wallraff on auction Hello, I have stared today on ebay folowing auction: Tangerine Dream - original L àffaire Wallraff CD http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=866528663 This is not the Bootleg version, this is the ultra rare official EMI France version. Starting price are: US $ 1 Reserve price: US $ 80 Regards heiko - Mr. Optical www.opticaldream.de From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Thu May 2, 2002 10:57 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] DWTII 2 Hi all Hehe........forgot to let you all know that I have found a supplier.................. Thanks everyone...............=O) Regards Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: 'PERGAMON' To: Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 10:28 PM Subject: [tadream] Dreamwatchers 2 ???? what happened????? > Is it in anyway possible to get a copy of Dreamwatchers Tale 2 ???????? > > Apparently I wasn't added to the distribution-list. My mail must have disappeared somehow........hmmmmm > > Anyyway, we are a couple of musicians who thinks it would be nice to listen to what the others did on that project. > > Jan & Michael > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Adele Outland' Date: Fri May 3, 2002 1:06 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Inferno CD prob I am having the very same problem with playing my LiveMiles album in the car (and any of you who know me, know how crazy this is making me). It's an official release, it has played before, the car player is only a year old and I clean it every week, and it plays other albums like Thief just fine. If you have already answered this question, just ignore this email. I am only 100 plus behind and I insist on reading everything in order. I am in the process of writing my Okefenokee memoirs, please be patient. Morgan has kindly offered to put them up on his web site when I'm finished. They will be a bit too long for this forum. Hm. Maybe they'll be a bit too long for Morgan, too. 8-) Dell All IMO of course. >From: 'John Marchington' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: Re: [tadream] Inferno CD prob >Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 11:33:39 +1200 > >Hi Michael. Are you referring to disc 3 of the 'TT' project or TDI's >official release? If it's the latter, I'm wondering whether it might be >that >it's a Cactus copy-protected disc? This has recently been introduced to try >and prevent CD copying on PCs etc. Trouble is, I don't know whether TDI >would be using such a system, and who does the pressing for them?. BMG >issued some without any warning on CD sleeves etc and people have been >experiencing incapability problems when using some CD players. If you have >a >CD writer, or know someone who does, see if the disc can be easily copied >to >a CD-RW -- after all, that was the reason behind it all. If you have great >difficulty, or find it impossible, I would guess that's the problem. > >It seems that BMG have now backed down on using this anti-copying system >because of all the complaints. > >Of course, there might be a totally different explanation for the problem. >Can't think what, though. As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams. _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From: 'j.gordon' Date: Fri May 3, 2002 7:58 am Subject: Dreamwatcher's Tale II Review hey, all... this is the first review i've seen of this offering... i thought it was due time to say 'Good Job!' to everyone who contributed and it's great to hear what other musicians are producing... i too am up for a DWT III jerome ----------------------------------- DREAMWATCHER'S TALE II - Visions of the Watchgirl CD 1 this CD peaks a little early for my taste... a slow beginning with the composite but then picks up for the the next three songs, hitting it's high point on song 3 before falling away again, though rounding up nicely at the end... 1. Dreamwatcher's Fable while stronger than it's composite counterpart on DWT I, i still think this mixing of all the pieces is somehow a weak intro into the set... as a piece half as long and somewhere in the middle of the first CD, maybe it would work better... 2. Contact (Gille Hemery) this is a nice piece... good driving sequence, clever chord changes as they stand up well in repetition... and a nice length for the style... no overkill... some very cool sequences... 3. Cloud of the Unknowning (Pergamon Vs Bondee System) ahhhhh... there's the td token sequence... ;p this is a very cool 'late part of the early td period' sounding piece... the solo is a cool voice... there seem to be mostly voices that have td written on them, but enough freshness in this piece to keep it from being td rehash... strongest piece up to this point, and in fact, the strongest of the CD... 4. Gladiators (Olivier Briand) the opening is very nice... overtones of PF's WYWH... around 2:30, the song begins to take tonal shape and gets moving around 4:30... this is a really great piece... i realize that i didn't say much about it, but i can't think of anything other than i really enjoy listening to it... has a very dark ending that really rounds it out... 5. Battlefield (Darklion) this tune sounds like mabye some scoring from some B space movie... not to my taste... all the voices are sharp, metallic and thin... 6.Electric Post-Rock Ensemble (Nightbirds) this too has some of that 'early td' feel to it... it also breaks down the 10 mintue barrier set for pieces included in DWT, clocking it at over 14 minutes... this piece is just okay... a bit long, it doesn't nothing to move me along... 7. Untitled (Paul Ellis & Nemesis) eerie, spacey... cool stuff... dig the spacey sequence... overtones of td, but not really in the voices, though there are some recognizable ones... i like this piece... very mellow space electronic... 8. Leonids (James Owens) almost touching on koyanasquasti there with that sparse intro... halfway through we get the very cool high paced sequence carrying on the theme... good length song for handling such a theme... nice ending to CD1... CD 2 in general: of the five cds put out under the umbrella Dreamwatcher's, i would say, overall, this is the strongest... i liked all the pieces very much, except one, and they all seemed to fit very nicely together... 1. Drifting (Gustavo Jobim) this is a great ambient tune... very strong... reminds me of Michael Hönig... the perfect opening to any CD... the sharp, metallic sequence is a nice balance to the thick, warm chords... well done! 2. Drafting the Comet V & VI (Ionic) i'm not going to review my own piece, except that i think that it's a really strong improv piece (and only the first 8 of 30 minutes... =) 3. Parisian Greetings (Olyam) this has got nice overtones of vangelis' 'the city'... the bottle/can percussion makes a nice rhythm and the solo 'horn' is nicely balanced... all in all a very strong piece... these first three pieces really fit well together and create a strong intro into CD2... 4. Red Ants Love Migration Freq - lion speed mix (Doktor Strange) this is a repeat from the preview disc of DWT I (if i'm not mistaken) and doesn't really pump my 'nads any more than it did the first time... it's a bit heavy on the techno beat for me and doesn't really do much... 5. Dreamcatcher (Dave Brewer) this mellow diddy has got some good chord changes and a nice xylophone type solo supported by an 'urban' sequence... nice piece... 6. The Space Station (Darklion & Olyam) this is one of strongest pieces on the CD... a great funk feeling to the whole piece and the bass gives it a great support... nicely done organ pattern and good funk guitar work surrounded by a nice touch of eletronica... there is a good break 'round minute 6 that gives the piece some breathing room... great song... the trumpet is great! 7. The Stealing of the Five Thousand (Mark Jenkins) the soloing of this piece is what makes it... very nice choices for both voice and melody lines... the counterpoint breaks give it great interest and the guitar work is very nice... great choice of style changes and ideas... really great piece... 8. Virage Bleu (Fred Yargui) i have to admit, when i first heard the intro section to this piece, i felt like i should be watching a porno movie... i really like the music, but it definiately had some of that 'movie' quality... on subsequent listenings, i've been able to remove those thoughts... =) it changes at about minute 2 and goes for a different feel, giving a twist to the sound effects used by PF in DSOTM... then it goes into a nice pattern and develops nicely... 9. Im Memoriam (Darklion & Olyam) Audio version this is a nice piece... the guitar is very strong and it remains suitably subtle... once again: THANKS to all who contributed, produced, mixed, mastered, compliled, distributed, supported, coordinated, and fixed lunch for this project. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From: 'duncan mckee' Date: Fri May 3, 2002 8:33 am Subject: virgin cd issues hi everyone i am searching for the follwong cds stratosfear CDV2068, UK issue made by Nimbus or PDO Force Majeure CDV2111, UK Issue made by Nimbus or PDO Thief CDV2198, UK Issue made by Nimbus or PDO has anyone seen are even owns these as i am starting to believe that these do not exist. thanks Duncan McKee tangram@t... www.tadream.co.uk ICQ 41739379 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33698 Re: virgin cd issues Robert Grabowsky Fri 5/3/2002 3 KB 33701 Re: virgin cd issues vic rek Fri 5/3/2002 2 KB 33707 Re: virgin cd issues Wade Gordon Fri 5/3/2002 2 KB 33702 Re: virgin cd issues vic rek Fri 5/3/2002 2 KB 33704 Re: virgin cd issues Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz Fri 5/3/2002 3 KB 33710 Re: virgin cd issues vic rek Fri 5/3/2002 3 KB 33711 Re: virgin cd issues Mark Filipak Fri 5/3/2002 5 KB 33716 Re: virgin cd issues John Marchington Sat 5/4/2002 3 KB 33727 Re: virgin cd issues aolincnderson Sun 5/5/2002 3 KB From: Robert Grabowsky Date: Fri May 3, 2002 10:36 am Subject: Re: [tadream] virgin cd issues Duncan, I have Thief CDV2198. But it is the only copy of Thief that I have. THE HIGHLANDER At 09:33 AM 5/3/02 +0100, you wrote: >hi everyone >i am searching for the follwong cds > >stratosfear CDV2068, UK issue made by Nimbus or PDO >Force Majeure CDV2111, UK Issue made by Nimbus or PDO >Thief CDV2198, UK Issue made by Nimbus or PDO > >has anyone seen are even owns these as i am starting to believe that these do not exist. > >thanks > >Duncan McKee > >tangram@t... >www.tadream.co.uk >ICQ 41739379 > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- >Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at >http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > >Tangerine Tree info at >http://www.tadream.net/tree > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Fri May 3, 2002 11:13 am Subject: TD concert poster on eBAY Hi TD diehards, take a look at the picture of a concert poster which is up for grabs on eBAY: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=865850035 I have searched in my 'Mysterious semblance' TD chronology, but couldn't find anything that matches this date: Salisbury City Hall August 21st .... (which year..1974?!) Any clues? Regards Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33700 Re: TD concert poster on eBAY Peter Ravn Fri 5/3/2002 3 KB 33720 Re: TD concert poster on eBAY Chris Owen Sat 5/4/2002 3 KB 33721 Re: TD concert poster on eBAY vic rek Sat 5/4/2002 2 KB From: 'Peter Ravn' Date: Fri May 3, 2002 11:11 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TD concert poster on eBAY 1974 is correct! Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Heiko Heerssen' To: Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 1:13 PM Subject: [tadream] TD concert poster on eBAY > Hi TD diehards, > take a look at the picture of a concert poster which is up for grabs on > eBAY: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=865850035 > > I have searched in my 'Mysterious semblance' TD chronology, but couldn't > find anything that matches this date: > Salisbury City Hall August 21st .... (which year..1974?!) > > Any clues? > > Regards > Heiko > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'vic rek' Date: Fri May 3, 2002 11:55 am Subject: Re: [tadream] virgin cd issues > stratosfear CDV2068, UK issue made by Nimbus or PDO > Force Majeure CDV2111, UK Issue made by Nimbus or PDO > Thief CDV2198, UK Issue made by Nimbus or PDO I have never seen these and I am almost certain that they do NOT exist. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33707 Re: virgin cd issues Wade Gordon Fri 5/3/2002 2 KB From: 'vic rek' Date: Fri May 3, 2002 12:03 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] virgin cd issues Make sure it is from UK. All copies I've seen are from Germany, Holland and Japan. > Duncan, > I have Thief CDV2198. But it is the only copy of Thief that I have. > > THE HIGHLANDER > From: Mark Filipak Date: Fri May 3, 2002 1:17 pm Subject: Wanted: TDI 'Inferno' track times & names. Hi All! Would some kind person please confirm the track names and provide running (or index) times for the TDI release? I've searched all the postings and also all the usual places on the web. Here's all that I could come up with: On Tue, 5 Mar 2002 09:39:55 +0100, Peter Ravin wrote: > The CD contains the following 18 tracks: > 01. Before the closing of the day > 02. The spirit of Virgil > 03. Minotaurae hunt at dawn > 04. Those once broke the first word > 05. Dante in dispair > 06. Io non mor > 07. Vidi tre facce > 08. At the deepest point in space > 09. L'omperador del doloroso regno > 10. Voices in a starless night > 11. Fear and longing > 12. Fallen for Death > 13. Where all light went silent > 14. Charon, il barchere > 15. La grey de los almas perdidas > 16. Justice of the karma law > 17. As the sun moves towards heaven > 18. Beatrice, l'ame infinie On Sun, 14 Oct 2001 13:24:31 +0200, Heiko Neumann wrote: > Also in this show, Olaf Zimmermann played two Songs of the 'Inferno' > CD: Virgils Dream (3:20 min) and Beatrice Song (4:30 min) I assume those are the track times for tracks 2 and 18? All help is appreciated. Thanks -- Mark -- See my resume: http://home.earthlink.net/~filipak/resume/ See my music trade pages: http://home.earthlink.net/~filipak/music/ Last updated: 14 April 2002 Q: Is UNIX the spawn of Satan? From: 'Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz' Date: Fri May 3, 2002 2:09 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] virgin cd issues my stratrosfear CDV 2068 has been made in Germany... Jarek 'Jerry' mailto:jerry@t... Visit my website at: http://www.tangerinedream.pl/ > -----Original Message----- > From: duncan mckee [mailto:tangram@t...] > Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 10:33 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] virgin cd issues > > > hi everyone > i am searching for the follwong cds > > stratosfear CDV2068, UK issue made by Nimbus or PDO > Force Majeure CDV2111, UK Issue made by Nimbus or PDO > Thief CDV2198, UK Issue made by Nimbus or PDO > > has anyone seen are even owns these as i am starting to > believe that these do not exist. > > thanks > > Duncan McKee > > tangram@t... > www.tadream.co.uk > ICQ 41739379 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > From: Morgan Feldon Date: Fri May 3, 2002 2:37 pm Subject: Thief >Robert Gabrowsky said: >Duncan, >I have Thief CDV2198. But it is the only copy of Thief that I have. > >THE HIGHLANDER So buy a regular Thief SBM for $12 and sell him the rarity! :) :) -Morgan From: Morgan Feldon Date: Fri May 3, 2002 2:44 pm Subject: Aug 21 1974 >1974 is correct! >Peter Ravn >----- Original Message ----- >From: 'Heiko Heerssen' >To: >Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 1:13 PM >Subject: [tadream] TD concert poster on eBAY > > > > Hi TD diehards, > > take a look at the picture of a concert poster which is up for grabs on > > eBAY: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=865850035 > > > > I have searched in my 'Mysterious semblance' TD chronology, but couldn't > > find anything that matches this date: > > Salisbury City Hall August 21st .... (which year..1974?!) > > > > Any clues? > > > > Regards > > Heiko I don't doubt you at all. Just curious why it's not in Voices in the Dunes or any of the lists so far. Is there some secret concert list that I don't have? :) Oh to have the ~$200 it will cost to get that poster... :( -Morgan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Wade Gordon Date: Fri May 3, 2002 3:36 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] virgin cd issues Vic, Those are the early releases and I have them. Wade --- vic rek wrote: > > stratosfear CDV2068, UK issue made by Nimbus or > PDO > > Force Majeure CDV2111, UK Issue made by Nimbus or > PDO > > Thief CDV2198, UK Issue made by Nimbus or PDO > > I have never seen these and I am almost certain that > they do NOT exist. > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From: Kevin Keller Date: Fri May 3, 2002 4:55 pm Subject: Castle Reissues Can someone tell me if the Castle Records reissues of the older Virgin recordings are also remastered? Are they the same as the SBM editions that Virgin re-released? -- Kevin Keller Composer/Producer kkproductions@e... *** Kevin Keller Trio Live at the Presidio Main Post Chapel, San Francisco, CA Thursday, May 30 at 8 pm Advance tickets now available at http://www.kevinkeller.com From: Mark Filipak Date: Fri May 3, 2002 4:19 pm Subject: Paul Griesbach & a 'Tatort' mystery Hello. Probably most people know that Paul Griesbach toured England with TD from 25 Oct to 6 Nov 1990 playing flute, saxophone, & wind synth. I've been corresponding with Paul and he says that he did one other job with TD: He also worked on a 'Tatort' score over New Years, 1990/91. Well, I figured that it must have been the 'Bis zum Hals im Dreck' episode (broadcast on 9 Jun 1991) so I sent Paul MP3s of 'I Just Want To Rule My Own Life Without You' and 'One Night In Medina'. Well guess what... Paul says those were *not* what he worked on. He provides this clue: 'I don't remember the name of the 'Tatort' episode, but I do know it was the last one starring Goetz George (famous german actor) as Inspector Schimanski.' According to http://www.das-erste.de/tatort, that would have to be the 'Der Fall Schimanski' episode broadcast on 29 Dec 1991 -- was Schimanski killed off? -- so, if Paul isn't smoking something funny, there is original TD music on that episode that has not been known before (at least by me). Does anyone out there have any more information about this? Ciao -- Mark -- See my resume: http://home.earthlink.net/~filipak/resume/ See my music trade pages: http://home.earthlink.net/~filipak/music/ Last updated: 14 April 2002 Q: Is UNIX the spawn of Satan? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33717 Paul Griesbach & a 'Tatort' mystery Klaus Beschorner Sat 5/4/2002 3 KB From: 'vic rek' Date: Fri May 3, 2002 4:37 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] virgin cd issues Please note 'UK' - there are other releases floating around with the same catalog number noted. The disc MUST state 'Made in UK' or 'Nimbus England' in the Matrix number. Please double-check. ----- Original Message ----- From: Wade Gordon To: Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] virgin cd issues > Vic, > > Those are the early releases and I have them. > > Wade > --- vic rek wrote: > > > stratosfear CDV2068, UK issue made by Nimbus or > > PDO > > > Force Majeure CDV2111, UK Issue made by Nimbus or > > PDO > > > Thief CDV2198, UK Issue made by Nimbus or PDO > > > > I have never seen these and I am almost certain that > > they do NOT exist. > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: > > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness > http://health.yahoo.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Mark Filipak Date: Fri May 3, 2002 5:50 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] virgin cd issues For what it's worth: 'Stratosfear' [1985] Virgin (GB) CDV 2068 'Force Majeure' [1987] Virgin (GB) CDV 2111 'Thief' [1985] Virgin (GB) CDV 2198 These are the same numbers as the UK LP releases except prefixed by 'CD'. UK CDV's that I have: 'Aqua' [no date for CD] Virgin (GB) CDV 2016 'Epsilon in Malayian Pale' [1985] Virgin (GB) CDV 2040 'Stuntman' [no date for CD] Virgin (GB) CDV 2139 'Kamikaze 1989' [no date for CD] Virgin (GB) CDV 2255 'Pinnacles' [no date for CD] Virgin (GB) CDV 2277 'Risky Business' [no date for CD] Virgin (GB?) CDV 2302 (Spindle: 787436 . 2 : 1 : 16 : EMI SWINDON) Ciao -- Mark vic rek wrote: > > Please note 'UK' - there are other releases floating around with the same > catalog number noted. The disc MUST state 'Made in UK' or 'Nimbus England' > in the Matrix number. Please double-check. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Wade Gordon > To: > Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 11:36 AM > Subject: Re: [tadream] virgin cd issues > > > Vic, > > > > Those are the early releases and I have them. > > > > Wade > > --- vic rek wrote: > > > > stratosfear CDV2068, UK issue made by Nimbus or > > > PDO > > > > Force Majeure CDV2111, UK Issue made by Nimbus or > > > PDO > > > > Thief CDV2198, UK Issue made by Nimbus or PDO > > > > > > I have never seen these and I am almost certain that > > > they do NOT exist. > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > To unsubscribe: > > > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness > > http://health.yahoo.com > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- See my resume: http://home.earthlink.net/~filipak/resume/ See my music trade pages: http://home.earthlink.net/~filipak/music/ Last updated: 14 April 2002 Q: Is UNIX the spawn of Satan? From: 'vic rek' Date: Fri May 3, 2002 7:02 pm Subject: New TD Concert Date Identified! I was browsing eBay and I found this rare poster promoting a date not yet listed in Paul Fellows' web page: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=865850035 I first guessed that the date of Wed. August 21st was from the year 1974 (since they were on tour at the time), and a 'date to day' program confirms that August 21st 1974 is a Wednesday. So, time to add another date to the TD Concert list? Who will be the lucky winner of this item? ;-) Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33713 Re: New TD Concert Date Identified! Owens, James Fri 5/3/2002 3 KB From: 'Owens, James' Date: Fri May 3, 2002 7:31 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] New TD Concert Date Identified! There was also a Wednesday, August 21st in 1985, 1991, and 1996, and there will be one this year (2002). I don't remember them touring the UK any of those years though... James > -----Original Message----- > I was browsing eBay and I found this rare poster promoting a > date not yet > listed in Paul Fellows' web page: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=865850035 > > I first guessed that the date of Wed. August 21st was from > the year 1974 > (since they were on tour at the time), and a 'date to day' > program confirms > that August 21st 1974 is a Wednesday. > > So, time to add another date to the TD Concert list? > Who will be the lucky winner of this item? ;-) From: kassel24@h... Date: Sat May 4, 2002 9:35 am Subject: NIMBUS - EPSILON The first initial releases of TD on CD way back in 1985-7 thereabouts were all manufactured by NIMBUS or PDO, back then CD supply could not meet demand. Nimbus was the first CD exclusive pressing plant in the UK. The other main contender for issuing CD's initially in Europe was PDO (Polygram (now Universal Music Group)) which covered many many issues form a variety of labels .... Nimbus CD-TD issues. As the sound does not have the comparative sound quality of the later TD definitive editions, these items really are really for serious CD - TD collectors and what I would term as Serial Number Collectors. Fans that collect many duplicate items of releases for the sake of the different numbers and places of manufacture.... etc are really obsessive fanatics...but it is unfortunately not an uncommon phenomenon. There are many collectors of this type in the Classical Music world as well.....I would personally advise TD fans NOT to adopt obsessive behaviour and become Serial Collectors. On another note... why don't we partition Virgin records to do a Definitive Edtion of Edgar Froese and Peter Baumann CD's ... and re-release the back catalogue and hard to get items such as Epsilon in Malaysian Pale, Kamikaze 1989 and Pinnacles. Is it not about time that Virgin re-released Epsilon again ?! Con31 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33715 Re: NIMBUS - EPSILON Gustavo Jobim Sat 5/4/2002 2 KB 33722 Re: NIMBUS - EPSILON vic rek Sat 5/4/2002 2 KB 33724 Re: NIMBUS - EPSILON Admin Sat 5/4/2002 3 KB 33726 Re: NIMBUS - EPSILON Jeffrey Au-Yeung Sun 5/5/2002 3 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sat May 4, 2002 2:54 am Subject: Re: [tadream] NIMBUS - EPSILON YEAH YEAH YEAH YEAH YEAH! (sorry for that one-liner meaningless post, but that was my instantaneous reaction to this suggestion and I just had to share that with you ;) Con31 wrote: >(...) why don't we partition Virgin records to do a Definitive Edtion of Edgar Froese and Peter Baumann CD's ... and re-release the back catalogue and hard to get items(...) Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... From: 'John Marchington' Date: Sat May 4, 2002 7:32 am Subject: Re: [tadream] virgin cd issues For what it's worth, my 'Stratosfear' (CDV2068) and 'Force Majeure' (CDV2111) are both French-pressings (from MPO), while 'Thief' (CDV2198) is Japanese. Checking the rest of my Virgin TD releases, 'Logos' is also from MPO, while 'Rubycon', 'Ricochet', 'Cyclone' and White Eagle' are all German pressings. The rest are all Nimbus pressings, so I would suggest it's quite likely that some 'Stratosfear', 'Force Majeure' and 'Thief' could have come from there as well. I assume you all know that Nimbus is no more! I guess if any of them become faulty, for whatever reason, it'll be a matter of buying a new one from another source if it's still available! I've also struck problems in getting replacements out of PDO when the 'bronzing' on many of their releases becomes an issue. I used to have a contact there who was great and took me at my word when I wrote with PDO pressing problems (classical Hyperions, Unicorn-Kanchana, ASVs etc) and I was always totally honest with her. After she retired, however, it was never the same and I had to return ALL THE FAULTY DISCS I HAD KEPT before they would replace any more and it was AT MY EXPENSE! Maybe I was simply unlucky with the person I dealt with. From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Sat May 4, 2002 9:30 am Subject: Paul Griesbach & a 'Tatort' mystery >He provides this clue: 'I don't remember the name of the 'Tatort' >episode, >but I do know it was the last one starring Goetz George (famous german >actor) as Inspector Schimanski.' Sure he didn't work on some of the other TD 'background' music in 'Bis zum Hals im Dreck' ? By far not all made it onto the Chi Coltrane single. I'm not aware of any TD music in the last Schimanski Tatort, but havn't seen it for a while (they re-run frequently). The Tatort episodes came to an end because the actor playing Schimanski's friend and colleague died of a real-life hart attack. 1997, it came back as a self-titled series 'Schimanski', still with Götz George, still running. All episodes are 90min long, only 2 were released for cinema, and can thus be found on official videos, 'Zahn um Zahn' and 'Zabou'. For all the rest, you'll have to look for TV recordings. http://horst-schimanski.org/ gives a good overview in german, you only need a few words to understand the Film info. viele Grüsse klaus From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Sat May 4, 2002 10:58 am Subject: homepage update, IE4, Opera etc test users wanted! Hi all, I have completely redesigned my homepage, and it's up for test use this weekend, I plan to full release it on Monday. I've tested it with Netscape 6 and IE 6, but I'd appreciate if a few Netscape 4, IE 4.x , 5.x , Opera or Konqueror users would test-walk it and give me feedback. What could lure you in ? Mainly a completely updated version of the history of TD bootlegs, 'Bootlegged Dreams'. http://www.caby.de/1 cheers, klaus -- Klaus.Beschorner........................work....+49-7033-45683 Drosselweg.6............................fax.....+49-7033-45631 D-71120.Grafenau........................Mobile.+49-174 3157754 Germany.................................home....+49-7033-45142 ............................................http://www.caby.de Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33723 Re: homepage update, IE4, Opera etc test users wa Admin Sat 5/4/2002 2 KB From: 'Alan Miller' Date: Sat May 4, 2002 11:55 am Subject: Berlin 15 June Can anyone help me with some suggestions of suitable hotels (3* or 4*) near the Museumsinsel. Also if anyone knows of where I can some deals on flights from London. Thanks in anticipation Alan From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Sat May 4, 2002 10:10 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD concert poster on eBAY Hi Heiko, In response to your request surrounding this concert date, I checked my TD cuttings scrapbook for you, and found three entries which may help solve the mystery surrounding this date... 1 - 'Dream Extra Gig - Tangerine Dream are to play another British concert date this month, in addition to their previously-booked date at Chichester Festival Theatre on August 18. The new gig is at Salisbury City Hall on Wednesday, August 21, and tickets are now on sale at the box office and the Virgin Records shop in Bristol.' 2 - 'Dream Tour - Tangerine Dream will be appearing at Salisbury's City Hall on August 21 as a prelude to their first British tour in October. The German synthesiser trio, as announced in last week's MM, will also be playing at the Chichester Festival on August 18.' (MM - UK's Melody Maker) 3 - 'Dream For UK Tour - In addition to their appearance at the Chichester Festival Theatre on August 18, Tangerine Dream will also play Salisbury City Hall on August 21. During late October, the band undertake a five week UK tour, full details of which will be announced shortly. The group are currently in Berlin rehearsing and working on stage presentation.' Seeing as how the cuttings mention TD's first UK tour and the Chichester Festival appearance, it seems certain that the year they played Salisbury on August 21 was indeed 1974. In the scrapbook's index, I have noted that this concert is not listed in 'Voices In The Dunes.' Glad to be of help, - Chris From: 'vic rek' Date: Sat May 4, 2002 5:22 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD concert poster on eBAY I thought I identified the year as 1974 in my first post on this subject? So, what was the question again ;-) > 1974 is correct! > Peter > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Heiko Heerssen' > To: > Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 1:13 PM > Subject: [tadream] TD concert poster on eBAY > > > > Hi TD diehards, > > take a look at the picture of a concert poster which is up for grabs on > > eBAY: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=865850035 > > > > I have searched in my 'Mysterious semblance' TD chronology, but couldn't > > find anything that matches this date: > > Salisbury City Hall August 21st .... (which year..1974?!) > > > > Any clues? > > > > Regards > > Heiko From: 'vic rek' Date: Sat May 4, 2002 5:35 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] NIMBUS - EPSILON [...].....I > would personally advise TD fans NOT to adopt obsessive behaviour and become > Serial Collectors. So what is wrong with becoming a serial collector? Better yet, I collect down to the matrix number, so how's that for being obsessive? PROUD to be an extreme TD collector :-))) Vic From: 'Admin' Date: Sat May 4, 2002 9:28 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] homepage update, IE4, Opera etc test users wanted! r r r r rrrrr you bee a lurrring are we??????? rrr r r r r r rr opps got the patch on the wrong eye.... §-) dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Klaus Beschorner' To: 'tadream list (mod)' Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 3:58 AM Subject: [tadream] homepage update, IE4, Opera etc test users wanted! > What could lure you in ? Mainly a completely updated version > of the history of TD bootlegs, 'Bootlegged Dreams'. > > http://www.caby.de/1 > > cheers, > klaus > From: 'Admin' Date: Sat May 4, 2002 9:34 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] NIMBUS - EPSILON '..adopt obsessive behavior..' or AOB synonymous with Tangerine Dream Fan AOB=TDF Also note the denial, another trait of TDF. I wish I could help you with this problem. However, I have been exposed to TD for 20 something years now. I am a carrier. If you wish not catch this thing, I could suggest country, rap or something of that nature. (Please don't email me back you like this stuff...) ;-) dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'vic rek' To: Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 10:35 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] NIMBUS - EPSILON > [...].....I > > would personally advise TD fans NOT to adopt obsessive behaviour and > become > > Serial Collectors. > > So what is wrong with becoming a serial collector? Better yet, I collect > down to the matrix number, so how's that for being obsessive? PROUD to be > an extreme TD collector :-))) Vic From: 'Ray Hallett' Date: Sun May 5, 2002 7:27 am Subject: NIMBUS - EPSILON - LOCOMOTIVE Agreed ......... there are many Serial collectors of CD and LP's and that's fine.... I will be collecting the Nimbus and PDO CD's pressings myself.... when I obtain my first CD ........... this will go on ebay ... about £50.00??!!! Or is that too much ? next stop !! This reminds me of a show I watched about 4 years ago, everyone laughed in the audience when a person being interviewed related a story about book he issued which contained all the record matrix numbers of the 1950's - 1970's locomotive steam engine LP's released Danacord. He aparently received a irrate telephone call from a collector who told him that one of the matrix numbers was incorrect. ....... now that's funny ! I supose this fan was a Very Serious Serial Collector of Sound Locomotive Engine LPs ! Mind you did not the originator of MFSL start off recording Locotmotives engine sounds in the USA before founding the Musical Fidelity catalogue ?! Con31 From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung' Date: Sun May 5, 2002 1:29 am Subject: Re: [tadream] NIMBUS - EPSILON ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 5:35 PM Subject: [tadream] NIMBUS - EPSILON Hi, Just a note: do you actually mean 'petition' here or you want to split the record company? Oh, silly question, maybe 'partition' is a better way..... Jeffrey ;-) > On another note... why don't we partition Virgin records to do a Definitive > Edtion of Edgar Froese and Peter Baumann CD's ... and re-release the back > catalogue and hard to get items such as Epsilon in Malaysian Pale, Kamikaze > 1989 and Pinnacles. Is it not about time that Virgin re-released Epsilon > again ?! > > Con31 From: 'aolincnderson' Date: Sun May 5, 2002 9:38 am Subject: Re: virgin cd issues --- In tadream@y..., 'duncan mckee' wrote: > hi everyone > i am searching for the follwong cds > > stratosfear CDV2068, UK issue made by Nimbus or PDO > Force Majeure CDV2111, UK Issue made by Nimbus or PDO > Thief CDV2198, UK Issue made by Nimbus or PDO > > has anyone seen are even owns these as i am starting to believe that these do not exist. > > thanks > > Duncan McKee > > tangram@t... > www.tadream.co.uk > ICQ 41739379 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] I have those cd's, but even though they were bought on the day they were issued, CDV2068 MPO 05, CDV2111 MPO 02, and CDV2198 CTA Japan. Other early cd releases are nimbus and some, with purple overprint on cd don't say where they're from. On the MPO ones you can clearly read the printing through the disc although they still play perfectly. I've even got Flashpoint HMIXD 29 MP01 which plays OK too. Cheers Colin Anderson (uk) From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Sun May 5, 2002 10:19 am Subject: Klaus' new homepage released, UPDATE BOOKMARKS! Hi all, and thanks to the _one_ test user ;-) My redesigned homepage is now at it's final place and open for visitors. Many of you have links to my page on your own sites, so please update your links, bookmarks and favourites. Klaus' home page http://www.caby.de Klaus' Music Page http://www.caby.de/music.htm Klaus' list of TD related links http://www.caby.de/tdlinks.htm NEW FEATURES: 1) contrary to the trend on TD related pages, _no_ dark blue text on black background ;-) 2) a completely re-written, updated version of my article on the history of TD bootlegs, 'Bootlegged Dreams'. Originally published in the book 'Voices in the Dunes', soon to be included into the 'Voices in the Net' project. 3) consolidated lists of my collection: newstuff - everything that's not completely rated yet mainlist - everything completely rated etc. no more seperate videos lists etc. 4) again, new info added to the Remarks+Corrections file, listing details about faked and mis-labeled concert recordings. 5) my updated swap/sales list - many TD rarities waiting to be picked. 6) updated links page 7) a page for special offers, running an auction until Tuesday May 7. and some more little details. Look around and let me know how you like it, thanks ! cheers, klaus -- Klaus.Beschorner........................work....+49-7033-45683 Drosselweg.6............................fax.....+49-7033-45631 D-71120.Grafenau........................Mobile.+49-174 3157754 Germany.................................home....+49-7033-45142 ............................................http://www.caby.de Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33732 Re: Klaus' new homepage released, UPDATE BOOKMARK Jupe Sun 5/5/2002 5 KB 33733 Re: Klaus' new homepage released, UPDATE BOOKMARK Admin Sun 5/5/2002 4 KB 33734 Re: Klaus' new homepage released, UPDATE BOOKMARK Admin Sun 5/5/2002 5 KB From: 'Ray Hallett' Date: Sun May 5, 2002 8:18 pm Subject: TIFFS JPEGS + PDF etc I notice that I am now #1 at long last on the TD webring receiving list.... (Heiko I got there eventually) .... .sorry I have to blow my own trumpet here ..but I have become quite excited .........I have constantly monitored the webring statistics and have sent numerous emails to Heiko that I have been #2 or #3 for too long... and wanted the #1 spot ... but I got there!!!! A obsession of mine...... sorry folks ?! A information.data request ............ I am currently expanding my website.... and have restricted some of the documents to a on-line/e basis only format. The Bernau and Conrad Schnitzler Pages cannot be printed or manipulated and will only exist in a e-format.... most of the TD - JPEGS are of a low quality for fast download purposes only and some are digitally encrypted which will have horrible black marks if printed/manipulation is attempted. As I am now seeking more data/scans of Conrad Schnitzler, Tangerine Dream, Future Sound of London - I am quite happy to swap/exchange full functional copies of all material in HIGH QUALITY - JPEG, TIFF or fully functional PDF formats.....any offers please ! Con31 www.con31.co.uk From: 'zepplock' Date: Mon Apr 29, 2002 3:53 am Subject: Biggest Web Bootleg Database Hello all. I am a programmer, and as a hooby I'd like to create Biggest Web Database for bootlegs. This will include features like search, coverart, track listing, additional info. Also user accounts The project I wanna start will be absolutely free and 'open source'. I need couple of people to help. Programmers (php/mysql), webdesigners, reviewers, beta testers. My email is: z e p p l o c k @ y a h o o . c o m Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33736 Re: Biggest Web Bootleg Database atye@a... Mon 5/6/2002 2 KB 33737 Re: Biggest Web Bootleg Database atye@a... Mon 5/6/2002 2 KB 33743 Re: Biggest Web Bootleg Database Joe Shoults Mon 5/6/2002 2 KB 33744 Re: Biggest Web Bootleg Database atye@a... Mon 5/6/2002 2 KB 33745 Re: Biggest Web Bootleg Database Joe Shoults Mon 5/6/2002 2 KB 33752 Re: Biggest Web Bootleg Database Scott Tue 5/7/2002 2 KB From: 'winnie tiggerfan' Date: Sat May 4, 2002 12:03 am Subject: Digital Tape Tree setlists Hey all, a quick note. I had posted awhile ago about the Digital Tape Tree setlists, and wasn't sure if I got a response or not. It's labeled Volume 1-20, and it's ripped in Mp3 format (yes, I knew I was getting it in that format, I'm ok with it), BUT I HAVE NO track listing for it. Any help would be awesomely appreciated. Either e-mail me here or winnietiggerfan@k... thanks. dan Kayleigh's Playhouse - FLASH IMPACT! PRIVATE CDR Bootleg Trading Forum!! http://www.kayleighsplayhouse.com AOL/Praize Messenger (winnietiggerfan) or MSN Messenger!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Jupe' Date: Sun May 5, 2002 12:37 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus' new homepage released, UPDATE BOOKMARKS! Great Job Klaus !! only a correction : 'Stealing from the thieves, another version of the 1975 London, Royal Albert Hall concert was released on the 'Phaedream' CD. The record was mainly marketed through Japan, and only the first two tracks (33 minutes) are really TD, the third is a track by Nico.' The third not is a Nico track . The name of the track is 'Vuelo Quimico' and the name of the work is the same . Is the second work (EMI - Harvest 1978) of the Spanish group NEURONIUM . The track have the credit of Nico reading an Edgar Allan Poe poem . Sorry for my poor english and Best Regards , Jupe ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Klaus Beschorner' To: 'tadream list (mod)' Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 12:19 PM Subject: [tadream] Klaus' new homepage released, UPDATE BOOKMARKS! > > Hi all, > and thanks to the _one_ test user ;-) > > My redesigned homepage is now at it's final place and open > for visitors. > > Many of you have links to my page on your own sites, so please > update your links, bookmarks and favourites. > > Klaus' home page > http://www.caby.de > > Klaus' Music Page > http://www.caby.de/music.htm > > Klaus' list of TD related links > http://www.caby.de/tdlinks.htm > > NEW FEATURES: > > 1) contrary to the trend on TD related pages, _no_ dark blue > text on black background ;-) > > 2) a completely re-written, updated version of my article > on the history of TD bootlegs, 'Bootlegged Dreams'. > Originally published in the book 'Voices in the Dunes', > soon to be included into the 'Voices in the Net' project. > > 3) consolidated lists of my collection: > newstuff - everything that's not completely rated yet > mainlist - everything completely rated etc. > no more seperate videos lists etc. > > 4) again, new info added to the Remarks+Corrections file, > listing details about faked and mis-labeled concert > recordings. > > 5) my updated swap/sales list - many TD rarities waiting > to be picked. > > 6) updated links page > > 7) a page for special offers, running an auction until > Tuesday May 7. > > and some more little details. > > Look around and let me know how you like it, thanks ! > > cheers, > klaus > > -- > > Klaus.Beschorner........................work....+49-7033-45683 > Drosselweg.6............................fax.....+49-7033-45631 > D-71120.Grafenau........................Mobile.+49-174 3157754 > Germany.................................home....+49-7033-45142 > ............................................http://www.caby.de > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Admin' Date: Sun May 5, 2002 6:27 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus' new homepage released, UPDATE BOOKMARKS! I made a few trips around your site yesterday. It was a very good site with plenty or material. dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Klaus Beschorner' To: 'tadream list (mod)' Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 3:19 AM Subject: [tadream] Klaus' new homepage released, UPDATE BOOKMARKS! > > Hi all, > and thanks to the _one_ test user ;-) > > My redesigned homepage is now at it's final place and open > for visitors. > > Many of you have links to my page on your own sites, so please > update your links, bookmarks and favourites. > > Klaus' home page > http://www.caby.de > > Klaus' Music Page > http://www.caby.de/music.htm > > Klaus' list of TD related links > http://www.caby.de/tdlinks.htm > > NEW FEATURES: > > 1) contrary to the trend on TD related pages, _no_ dark blue > text on black background ;-) > > 2) a completely re-written, updated version of my article > on the history of TD bootlegs, 'Bootlegged Dreams'. > Originally published in the book 'Voices in the Dunes', > soon to be included into the 'Voices in the Net' project. > > 3) consolidated lists of my collection: > newstuff - everything that's not completely rated yet > mainlist - everything completely rated etc. > no more seperate videos lists etc. > > 4) again, new info added to the Remarks+Corrections file, > listing details about faked and mis-labeled concert > recordings. > > 5) my updated swap/sales list - many TD rarities waiting > to be picked. > > 6) updated links page > > 7) a page for special offers, running an auction until > Tuesday May 7. > > and some more little details. > > Look around and let me know how you like it, thanks ! > > cheers, > klaus > > -- > > Klaus.Beschorner........................work....+49-7033-45683 > Drosselweg.6............................fax.....+49-7033-45631 > D-71120.Grafenau........................Mobile.+49-174 3157754 > Germany.................................home....+49-7033-45142 > ............................................http://www.caby.de > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Admin' Date: Sun May 5, 2002 6:32 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus' new homepage released, UPDATE BOOKMARKS! I made a few trips around your site yesterday. It was a very good site with > plenty of material ^^ Dale I wasn't watching what one of my cats typed for me. Silly thing. Opps.. maybe I just let the cat out of the bag? I didn't tell everyone I have a few cats who are a bit musical. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Admin' To: Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus' new homepage released, UPDATE BOOKMARKS! > I made a few trips around your site yesterday. It was a very good site with > plenty or material. > > dale > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Klaus Beschorner' > To: 'tadream list (mod)' > Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 3:19 AM > Subject: [tadream] Klaus' new homepage released, UPDATE BOOKMARKS! > > > > > > Hi all, > > and thanks to the _one_ test user ;-) > > > > My redesigned homepage is now at it's final place and open > > for visitors. > > > > Many of you have links to my page on your own sites, so please > > update your links, bookmarks and favourites. > > > > Klaus' home page > > http://www.caby.de > > > > Klaus' Music Page > > http://www.caby.de/music.htm > > > > Klaus' list of TD related links > > http://www.caby.de/tdlinks.htm > > > > NEW FEATURES: > > > > 1) contrary to the trend on TD related pages, _no_ dark blue > > text on black background ;-) > > > > 2) a completely re-written, updated version of my article > > on the history of TD bootlegs, 'Bootlegged Dreams'. > > Originally published in the book 'Voices in the Dunes', > > soon to be included into the 'Voices in the Net' project. > > > > 3) consolidated lists of my collection: > > newstuff - everything that's not completely rated yet > > mainlist - everything completely rated etc. > > no more seperate videos lists etc. > > > > 4) again, new info added to the Remarks+Corrections file, > > listing details about faked and mis-labeled concert > > recordings. > > > > 5) my updated swap/sales list - many TD rarities waiting > > to be picked. > > > > 6) updated links page > > > > 7) a page for special offers, running an auction until > > Tuesday May 7. > > > > and some more little details. > > > > Look around and let me know how you like it, thanks ! > > > > cheers, > > klaus > > > > -- > > > > Klaus.Beschorner........................work....+49-7033-45683 > > Drosselweg.6............................fax.....+49-7033-45631 > > D-71120.Grafenau........................Mobile.+49-174 3157754 > > Germany.................................home....+49-7033-45142 > > ............................................http://www.caby.de > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Ray Hallett' Date: Mon May 6, 2002 6:23 am Subject: PETITION PEEL for 34 years I think 'petition' would be a much better method than 'partition'.............. my computer spell checked my email before being sent out, and thought partition is much better .... 'who am I to argue'. A momentary lapse of word blindness on my 'part' .......apologies....I do suffer these 'bouts' of confusion. + + + + + + + + + + + + + Only suffered TD for 20 years !? ......... lets face it the oldest TD fan could only have suffered TD for 34 years now.... if we are talking and include the pre-electronic era .... i.e. 1968 ........ but the music is hardly the same post 1973' ish as opposed to pre 1973. Q. So are there any fans on this TD list that listened and purchased TD prioir to the issue of Phaedra that still listen to TD now? Or is everyone on this list a listener that collected after the issue of Phaedra ? + + + + + + + + + + + + + I myself collected after the issue of Phaedra ... and first heard TD on the Peel show in 1973 on BBC Radio 1....... John Peel related many times the fact that he received more mail (letters) about TD than any other group in 1972 and 1973. (They probably all came from the same person who collected the Sound Steam Locomotive Engine LP's :-)) On another note.................. I attended a Reading Festival in 1978 and everyone was wearing a T-shirt with the words 'WHO THE F**K IS JOHN PEEL'. The last item I ever head John Peel play TD was Stratosfear ... I think TD got too commercial for him after that ! Anyone correct me if I am wrong.......... Con31 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34134 Re: PETITION PEEL for 34 years mudspanker Sun 5/26/2002 2 KB From: atye@a... Date: Mon May 6, 2002 3:47 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Biggest Web Bootleg Database Hello again friend!! I see that you are still enjoying the bootlegs...hehe... ATYE's Music Trades Listings This is my newest project.... I am almost done with the updates and will do a little more on the actual HTML format then. Let me know if you want FTP access again, I have an 80GB HDD damn near FULL of music .. hehe. :-) Write back, Alex (ATYE) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: atye@a... Date: Mon May 6, 2002 3:53 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Biggest Web Bootleg Database OH NO.....not the dreaded 'hit the REPLY button' error !! apologies for the public posting.... ATYE [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'vic rek' Date: Mon May 6, 2002 4:35 am Subject: Liquid Sound Trip This may or may not be on-topic, but here is a copy of my impression of the Liquid Sound festival held in Bad Sulza on April 5-7, 2002. Below is what I e-mailed to Mario at Manikin Records who organized the music. Roger and I travelled to Liquid Sound from USA. I think we were the only guests from USA, and after being in Bad Sulza (former East Germany) for a few days, it looked like very few Americans have made it there. We had a nice trip by train from Berlin to Bad Sulza (only one change of trains). My first impression was wonderful - a small beautiful town nestled in a river valley and flanked by castles. We checked into the spa and occupied the top (8th) floor rooms with a beautiful view onto the Therme/Spa and the hills surrounding the place. We rarely visited our rooms (only twice to sleep for a few hours) since we were going to spend 36 hours non-stop in a steamy spa and listening to music while in the water. At first I was apprehensive about such an event, but it came off wonderfully, thanks to the great organization by Micky Remann and Mario. When they said 36 hours, that is exactly what it was. The music started on time and never ended until 36 hours later. Each group/artist played 2 hour sets and one set melted into the other. The music was played from a circular platform looking over the various pools. This was just too good to be true - a water paradise, perfect temperature, food & drink, and the opportunity to get your fix of wonderful EM and spend some time socializing with the musicians. Mario managed to set up a wonderful line-up which included Detlef and himself, AirSculpture, Spyra, Mind-Flux, just to mention a few - and all of the musicians were up to the task of composing ambient music that could be enjoyed while listening under water. Yes, music was being played underwater too, so you could float on your back and listen to music under/above water simultaneously. It was a great time to just relax, contemplate and see how your mind transforms over the hours of non-stop music. It was like being in a trance, a slave to music and pleasure (under the watchful eye of the Badmeister ;-). So, if you want to know more, you'll just have to make the trip next year and check it out. But bring plenty of cash for the CDs and food, since they do not accept credit cards. See you next year! VicRek From: 'vic rek' Date: Mon May 6, 2002 4:47 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Oke Report - thanks! > Dave, > > Thanks for the fantastic Oke report. I thoroughly enjoyed reading it on this blah morning at the office. Gee, it sounds like it was a lot of fun. Maybe it's time to start saving up right now to try and make it to one of these maybe next year!!! > > Did you say there's talk of doing one in the Southwest next year? That would be way cool IMO!!! > I still owe a Ricochet Gathering 2002 - Okefenokee Swamp report... I'll have it out in a few days. As to next year's location - it will be in the Mojave Desert and I will announce the exact location soon. VicRek From: 'vic rek' Date: Mon May 6, 2002 4:50 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Ricochet Gathering ----- Original Message ----- From: Morgan Feldon > Vic said maybe we'll come back to Okefenokee for a 10 year anniversary. :) > > I hope it stays in the US. There are enough European festivals I can't attend! > Yes, I plan to come back to the Swamp for the 10th year anniversary!!! But, no, this event will not be just a US event - it will move to Europe in the future. VicRek From: 'vic rek' Date: Mon May 6, 2002 5:03 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Gathering Music ----- Original Message ----- From: Wade Gordon > Thanks for telling us about the gathering. Is there a > plan to release a music c.d. from the gathering? Yes, music will be released from this year's gathering, but I have no other information at the moment. VicRek Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33747 Re: Gathering Music Bill Fox Mon 5/6/2002 3 KB From: Paul Fellows Date: Mon May 6, 2002 7:12 am Subject: [tadream] Golden Collection 2000 Hi all, Just returned from a week in sunny Tunisia, I saw an interesting thing in the hotel shop...the Russian 'grey market' bootleg 'Golden Collection 2000' for another artist...Cher! So it's part of a series. Paul From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon May 6, 2002 1:27 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Biggest Web Bootleg Database This kind of conversation should be held in private, please, not on the list. Thanks, Joe > -----Original Message----- > Let me know if you want FTP access again, I have an 80GB HDD > damn near FULL of music .. hehe. From: atye@a... Date: Mon May 6, 2002 2:14 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Biggest Web Bootleg Database I sent a follow-up note apologizing for the error....guess it didn't make it through. I hit 'REPLY' by mistake.....All Apologies ATYE [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon May 6, 2002 3:11 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Biggest Web Bootleg Database np- I wish I had a nickel for every e-mail I accidentally sent to an unintended address ;-) > -----Original Message----- > I sent a follow-up note apologizing for the error....guess it > didn't make it > through. > > I hit 'REPLY' by mistake.....All Apologies From: 'Mr Staypuft' Date: Tue Apr 23, 2002 1:58 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Petition to bring TD to Toronto 10 Years is definitely a long enough wait. I'd like to see them at Massey Hall again. Steve -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Holt [mailto:plantpot_73@y...] Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 9:09 PM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [tadream] Petition to bring TD to Toronto I'm in the GTA... and you're right, TD have to come to North America and especially Toronto :-) Welcome to the list! --- Liquid Universe wrote: > Hey everyone......new to the list, here....big TD > fan, too. > > Anyway, i'm starting a petition to try and bring TD > to The Great White > North. > Any and all Canadian TD fans...or all fans for that > matter, are > encouraged to > go to my webpage, and sign the petition: > http://www.execulink.com/~liquiduniverse/ > > Let's show TD that the U.K. and Europe aren't the > only places they want > to > be seen and heard. > > *radiowaves* > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Your use of Yahoo! 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ID Date Size 33750 Petition to bring TD to USA PENFOLD Tue 5/7/2002 2 KB From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Mon May 6, 2002 10:14 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Gathering Music ----- Original Message ----- From: 'vic rek' > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Wade Gordon > > Thanks for telling us about the gathering. Is there a > > plan to release a music c.d. from the gathering? > > Yes, music will be released from this year's gathering, but I have no other > information at the moment. > VicRek Friday and most of Saturday have been burned onto four CDRs. Already, that's one more CDR than last year! Only two short files left from Jens, Howard and me mucking about Saturday afternoon yet to put onto CDR. I still need to do a QC listen to the CDRs before I send out copies to Vic and the musos. The Planetary Ambience concert is on three tapes and will take some time to transfer, considering the limited disc space on my PC. But I am in no hurry to do these as both Vic and Pete already have Marion's files from her Creative Labs recorder. Unless I hear from Vic or Pete that the sound quality isn't good enough, getting Sunday's concert to CDR won't be such a big priority for me. (I have a LOT of other things going on.) The dance rave music from SSO will NOT leave my possession since it belongs to SSO and Steve asked me not to release it. I will only release this material with Steve's and Jens' permission. Cheers, Bill From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Tue May 7, 2002 2:22 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] New TD Concert Date Identified! To think they came to the town where I was born, but I was only 10 at the time and had never heard of them.... Paul ---------- >De : 'Owens, James' >À : ''tadream@yahoogroups.com'' >Objet : RE: [tadream] New TD Concert Date Identified! >Date : Ven 3 mai 2002 21:31 > > There was also a Wednesday, August 21st in 1985, 1991, and 1996, and there > will be one this year (2002). > > I don't remember them touring the UK any of those years though... > > James > >> -----Original Message----- >> I was browsing eBay and I found this rare poster promoting a >> date not yet >> listed in Paul Fellows' web page: >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=865850035 >> >> I first guessed that the date of Wed. August 21st was from >> the year 1974 >> (since they were on tour at the time), and a 'date to day' >> program confirms >> that August 21st 1974 is a Wednesday. >> >> So, time to add another date to the TD Concert list? >> Who will be the lucky winner of this item? ;-) > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Paul Fellows Date: Tue May 7, 2002 2:52 pm Subject: yet another new concert date Hi all, Got this message a few days ago: > Hi, Paul, > at this moment I am visiting your 'concert dates' page. I have a concert > poster that proves a concert in Mönchengladbach, Germany on oct.27, 1972 at > the aula of the Gymnasium (school). Maybe it's of interest for you. > Regards, Andreas > What does everyone think? The German tour in 1972 was cancelled by the way, I suspect this concert was one of the victims and never took place...they did a couple of radio appearances and a sort of multimedia show in 1972 but nothing that could be really classed as a 'proper' concert... Paul Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33753 Tangerine Dream by Kaleidoscope Paul Fellows Tue 5/7/2002 2 KB From: PENFOLD Date: Tue May 7, 2002 5:11 pm Subject: Petition to bring TD to USA After the cancellation & fiasco of the delayed and aborted US tour.....how about starting something to get TD back on North American soil (that includes Canada too!) I'm so jonesing to hear Live TD.....and the wife is too! Pete Isaacson aka °º¤ø,¸DJ DreamHead¸,ø¤º° mailto:penfold@a...?subject=DJDreamHead http://www.anet.net/~penfold/)^(djdreamhead.html Yahoo Chat: penfold235 ····· AIM: PENFOLD235 1984, Saw 'The Keep' LP at Tower Records, actually held it, didn't have the $$.....Damn!!!!! 'Absence of the KEEP LP is not evidence of its non-existence.' - Steven Feldman Watch the Coasters Grow! at: http://www.anet.net/~penfold/coastergarden.html From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Tue May 7, 2002 5:49 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Petition to bring TD to USA I am sorry, I am in denial, what concert? what tour? I still have not received a refund for my tickets. Therefore it must have happen and I was in a coma. ;-) dale Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'PENFOLD' To: Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 10:11 AM Subject: [tadream] Petition to bring TD to USA > After the cancellation & fiasco of the delayed and aborted US > tour.....how about starting something to get TD back on North American soil > (that includes Canada too!) > > I'm so jonesing to hear Live TD.....and the wife is too! > > > Pete Isaacson aka °º¤ø,¸DJ DreamHead¸,ø¤º° > mailto:penfold@a...?subject=DJDreamHead > http://www.anet.net/~penfold/)^(djdreamhead.html > Yahoo Chat: penfold235 ····· AIM: PENFOLD235 > 1984, Saw 'The Keep' LP at Tower Records, actually held it, didn't have the > $$.....Damn!!!!! > 'Absence of the KEEP LP is not evidence of its non-existence.' - Steven > Feldman > > Watch the Coasters Grow! at: http://www.anet.net/~penfold/coastergarden.html > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33755 Re: Petition to bring TD to USA Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid Tue 5/7/2002 3 KB From: 'Scott' Date: Tue May 7, 2002 6:06 pm Subject: Re: Biggest Web Bootleg Database Actually, there already is one that comes close. It's at www.phishhook.com, has thousands of members, and is searchable by artist, date, city, and venue. It's geared mainly toward Phish and Grateful Dead traders, but there is some TD on there (including mine). Scott From: Paul Fellows Date: Tue May 7, 2002 7:28 pm Subject: [tadream] Tangerine Dream by Kaleidoscope Hi all http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=868002511 Is this an official item? Thought it was worth a fortune! Or is it only the LP which fetches extortionate amounts... Paul From: atye@a... Date: Tue May 7, 2002 9:05 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Dream by Kaleidoscope Here we go again..... This crops up from time to time.... Check the link below. Kaleisdoscope was a psychadelic rock band from the UK in the late 60's. They just so happened to have an album called 'Tangerine Dream'. I have not heard of any link between this band and Mr. Froese. I think that this is a common misunderstanding. Kaleidoscope Thanks, ATYE [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33756 Re: Tangerine Dream by Kaleidoscope vic rek Tue 5/7/2002 3 KB 33757 Re: Tangerine Dream by Kaleidoscope Gustavo Jobim Wed 5/8/2002 2 KB 33762 Re: Tangerine Dream by Kaleidoscope hyperboreauk Wed 5/8/2002 3 KB From: Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid Date: Tue May 7, 2002 9:54 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Petition to bring TD to USA Well.......all I have to do is change a few things around on my webpage, but we can help get the ball rollin'. PENFOLD wrote: > After the cancellation & fiasco of the delayed and aborted US > tour.....how about starting something to get TD back on North American soil > (that includes Canada too!) > > I'm so jonesing to hear Live TD.....and the wife is too! > > Pete Isaacson aka °º¤ø,¸DJ DreamHead¸,ø¤º° > mailto:penfold@a...?subject=DJDreamHead > http://www.anet.net/~penfold/)^(djdreamhead.html > Yahoo Chat: penfold235 ····· AIM: PENFOLD235 > 1984, Saw 'The Keep' LP at Tower Records, actually held it, didn't have the > $$.....Damn!!!!! > 'Absence of the KEEP LP is not evidence of its non-existence.' - Steven > Feldman > > Watch the Coasters Grow! at: http://www.anet.net/~penfold/coastergarden.html > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'vic rek' Date: Tue May 7, 2002 11:41 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Dream by Kaleidoscope I don't believe that Paul was questioning if this was TD related, but thanks for clarifying this to the newcomers. I think he was asking if the CD version was as rare as the LP release. I have seen the LP go for close to $200 and the CD is not that rare, maybe worth $20 or so. Vic ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Dream by Kaleidoscope > Here we go again..... This crops up from time to time.... > > Check the link below. Kaleisdoscope was a psychadelic rock band from the UK > in the late 60's. They just so happened to have an album called 'Tangerine > Dream'. I have not heard of any link between this band and Mr. Froese. > > I think that this is a common misunderstanding. > > > Kaleidoscope > > > Thanks, > ATYE > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33757 Re: Tangerine Dream by Kaleidoscope Gustavo Jobim Wed 5/8/2002 2 KB 33762 Re: Tangerine Dream by Kaleidoscope hyperboreauk Wed 5/8/2002 3 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Wed May 8, 2002 2:54 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Dream by Kaleidoscope I think I've seen the CD for sale once, which is something remarkable considering that it's a bit hard to find less known prog. albums here in the specialized stores - things such as Ash Ra Tempel for example aren't as usual as, say, Tangerine Dream. Or have I seen that album by the band called Tangerine? Or am I mixing everything up? Or should I simply not send this disturbed rambling? -GJ HD NP NML. (gustavo jobim having dinner now playing no man's land. :) >I think he was asking if the CD version was as rare as the LP release. I >have seen the LP go for close to $200 and the CD is not that rare, maybe >worth $20 or so. >Vic Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... From: olle.rundgren@s... Date: Wed May 8, 2002 1:23 pm Subject: Tangerine Tree Feedback A couple of months too late maybe but here is some feedback to the first part of the TD-tree. Note that I don't have the most advanced of Stereo-equipment and lack the interest in comparing everything into smallest detail. I'm always afraid that I would get tired of the music if I start to dissect it/listen to it too frequently. 1) Nottingham 76 The first two tracks could easily be officially released as they are. There's only a short 'blurr' at around 22 minutes into Track 1, otherwise superb. Track three doesn't reach the same level of course, but still it is great to have it included. A shame only that it isn't the entire track. I can now tell for sure which one of the two recordings I have of this concert, that obviously is another show. Were there more than one show in Nottingham '76? 2) Sheffield 74 This is perhaps the most pleasant surprise of them all. I had never heard this one before and I'm amazed by the high quality of it. Cannot remember that I've heard anything that old of the same quality. I expected something like Phaedra but it isn't. Truly improvised, truly great. Just wish there was a way of getting the ending as well. 3) Bernau 01 I have a few versions of this one since before and as one of them is excellent I have to listen more carefully to be able to tell the difference. Must say that I was a bit surprised by the choice of including this concert in the first package, as the official release only just arrived, but since there has been no official complaints why should I complain. The interesting thing about Inferno is that even though I still find it the most interesting music from TD in many years it just won't go beyond that. Doesn't matter how many times I listen to it, I still just find it plain interesting. Wonder if it ever will lift-off from there. I'm looking forward to the second part. I was only a 'cannot connect to server' away from ordering tickets to the June show when I learned through this list (where else?) that it is going to be Part 1 again. Saved me some money for the summer holliday. 4) Washington 77 Great show, again excellent quality, beats the recording I have. And that one isn't bad at all. There is a moment of something that sounds like static noise around 11-12 minutes into Cherokee Lane, otherwise great. Music-wise I had forgotten about the 'Baumann-esque' first 7 minutes of Monolith. Just marvellous. A pity that the track develops the way it does. Mr. Motta is a winner! 5) Fassbinder Memorial Along with Bernau this is the recording that in quality is very close to what I already have. I cannot tell the difference at this stage. The concert is extremely perfect. Almost no live-feeling at all. 6) Bilbao 76 The evident difference here is of course the audience noice that has been cut down to a minimum. Don't know what has been done with the music but this sounds crisper than the one I have. Track one and two are very good, track three almost as good while track four is very noticeably poorer in quality. Too sad as it is a beauty. 7) Croydon 75 So I guess that this is the Ricochet concert? Hadn't heard this one before. A great experience. Apart from some static noice between 5:30 and 7:30 (track 2) this could have been an official release. Absolutely marvellous. 8) Berlin 76 I always thought that my copy must be the best available but this one beats it easily. Another excellent recording and a great end to the first package. All in all I'm very impressed by the recordings and also with the speed with which this whole project has developed. I would never have thought that the discs would arrive that soon. So thanks to all involved and a special thank you to Heiko who came up with the idea. I noticed that the second part of the Tree will include the Mother of all TD concerts 'Royal Albert Hall 75' with the complete first set. If that one is of even higher quality than the one I received (from someone in the Hamburg-area) a year or so ago , It'll be an experience worth waiting for. Bye for now Olle Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33759 Re: Tangerine Tree Feedback Mark Filipak Wed 5/8/2002 2 KB 33792 Re: Tangerine Tree Feedback olovur2 Fri 5/10/2002 2 KB 33761 Re: Tangerine Tree Feedback John Vertical Wed 5/8/2002 4 KB 33791 Re: Tangerine Tree Feedback olovur2 Fri 5/10/2002 2 KB 33765 Re: Tangerine Tree Feedback Synthhtnys@a... Thu 5/9/2002 2 KB 33770 Re: Tangerine Tree Feedback syensen Thu 5/9/2002 2 KB From: Mark Filipak Date: Wed May 8, 2002 2:32 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Tree Feedback olle.rundgren@s... wrote: > -snip- > > 4) Washington 77 > > Great show, again excellent quality, beats the recording I have. And > that one isn't bad at all. There is a moment of something that sounds > like static noise around 11-12 minutes into Cherokee Lane, otherwise > great. Music-wise I had forgotten about the 'Baumann-esque' first 7 > minutes of Monolith. Just marvellous. ... Huh? Isn't 'Monolith' a made-up name? Aren't 'Drywater Rush', 'Rain in Spain', and 'Octagon' also made-up names? Let me know, quickly please -- Mark -- See my resume: http://home.earthlink.net/~filipak/resume/ See my music trade pages: http://home.earthlink.net/~filipak/music/ Last updated: 14 April 2002 Q: Is UNIX the spawn of Satan? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33792 Re: Tangerine Tree Feedback olovur2 Fri 5/10/2002 2 KB From: 'musonaut' Date: Wed May 8, 2002 2:12 pm Subject: Legal T. Dream 2 LP Picture Disc Hello, I have the T. Dream 'The Poland concert' 2LP Picure Disc issued on Jive label, beginning of 80's. please contact me offlist if anyone is interested in more info or trades. email: dsm4music@h... musonaut From: 'John Vertical' Date: Wed May 8, 2002 4:19 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Tree Feedback >1) Nottingham 76 > >The first two tracks could easily be officially released as they are. >There's only a short 'blurr' at around 22 minutes into Track 1, otherwise >superb. Track three doesn't reach the same level of course, but still it is >great to have it included. A shame only that it isn't the entire track. IMHO tracks 1 and 3 are brilliant, but I don't care much about #2... Except perhaps the re-rendition of the Ricohet theme. And I too am left unsatisfied when the song fades off just as Eddie starts some real guuud guitar playing. Sounds sort of like the main theme in Stratosfear, but better! BTW: a while ago we were thinking up names for Tree material. I remember that the main sets here got titled Scale Deluxe and Sorcerer Supreme. But did my suggestion for the third track here go simply unnoticed, or overrided by some another suggestion? It was 'Indolent Annihilation'. >4) Washington 77 --- >Music-wise I >had forgotten about the 'Baumann-esque' first 7 minutes of Monolith. Just >marvellous. A pity that the track develops the way it does. OK, so I had to check that definition. I agree... But the rest is nice too, the part where the sequence drops out and Edgar tries to cover that by really insane guitar playing is cool... >Mr. Motta is a winner! Huh? >5) Fassbinder Memorial --- >The concert is extremely perfect. Almost no live-feeling at all. Some contradiction here? ;-) >6) Bilbao 76 To continue the track naming...: How about 'Live Grove' for part 1 and 'Straits of Noon' for part 2? >7) Croydon 75 >So I guess that this is the Ricochet concert? >--this could have been an official release. Absolutely marvellous. Another contradiction? Basically this did get released. Not unaltered of course, but I have to say that the mixed&mastered version of Ricochet II is better than the one here... The best moment of part 1 (the intro) got in too, the rest is a wee bit boring. And the encore sounds like they simply reperformed some part 2 themes, overlaid with that pingy sequence... John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33791 Re: Tangerine Tree Feedback olovur2 Fri 5/10/2002 2 KB From: 'hyperboreauk' Date: Wed May 8, 2002 5:40 pm Subject: Re: Tangerine Dream by Kaleidoscope --- In tadream@y..., 'vic rek' wrote: > > fo > I think he was asking if the CD version was as rare as the LP release. > have seen the LP go for close to $200 God I wish I had got this album the amount of times I saw this in The TD section in record stores. Cheers Gary NP.The Keep-TDI www.hyperborea.v21net.co.uk > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 5:05 PM > Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Dream by Kaleidoscope > > > > Here we go again..... This crops up from time to time.... > > > > Check the link below. Kaleisdoscope was a psychadelic rock band from the > UK > > in the late 60's. They just so happened to have an album called 'Tangerine > > Dream'. I have not heard of any link between this band and Mr. Froese. > > > > I think that this is a common misunderstanding. > > > > > > Kaleidoscope > > > > > > Thanks, > > ATYE > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@y... > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > From: 'fozziebear' Date: Wed May 8, 2002 8:26 pm Subject: Inferno My copy of Inferno arrived after an infernal time in the UK post system. Sorry to any posties on the list. It was worth the wait. It's beautiful It works. Thanks, TD. Before Inferno, I hadn't come across Dante's work before. I knew that some scientists had named a robot after him which they sent into the caldera of a volcano to send back pictures. The scientists managed to kink the cable and the experiment didn't get very far. Reading the notes of the CD the subject matter could get very heavy and negative. But the music is unified and uplifting. I look forward to the next part. Hope we get to see all parts performed together, if that can be managed. High lights of the CD for me are Dante in Despair, Voices in a starless night and La grey de los almas perdidas - tracks 5,10 and 15. Anyone got any comments on the Divine Comedy subject matter? David Albert Einstein: 'The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits.' [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'tei waz' Date: Wed May 8, 2002 9:13 pm Subject: re: inferno part 2 >I'm looking forward to the second part. I was only a 'cannot connect to server' away from ordering tickets to the June show when I learned through this list (where else?) that it is going to be Part 1 again< hmm, as I recall TDI announced that the second part of inferno would debut/be performed in Atlanta?.... --T _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Thu May 9, 2002 5:51 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Tree Feedback How many people still don't have their copies? I haven't heard anything yet.... just curious. Poly From: Morgan Feldon Date: Thu May 9, 2002 6:14 am Subject: Okefenokee 2002 Frank, I'm so glad you called on Friday night at Vic's house. You were definitely missed and I hope you will be able to attend next year's event. We went down to Wal-Mart (again!) and I thought of you. I rolled a ton of videotape of the whole event (13 hours total) so hopefully I can put together a nice video. Kindest regards, and if you want to check out the website in-progress (please don't announce it yet), check out: http://www.feldoncentral.com/oke2002/ I only have a couple pages ready so far. -Morgan From: 'Miles Holman' Date: Wed May 8, 2002 9:41 am Subject: Tadream/Inferno I am a new customer to this group and think it's a rather brilliant idea. Hope to correspond with stax of Tangerine Dream fans in the future.I am from South Africa where the group is practically unheard of and contact is always valued! Inferno...well I don't really quite know what to make of this one. I was so taken by DM3 that this was a bit of a shock.I found it rather disappointing at first gleans. An interesting theme to peruse with great potential but it seems to fall flat. The sound quality is dodgy and there seems to be a lack of direction. It does grow on you though. After DM3 and it's driving construction, I am having difficulty in adapting to a rather 'heavy'motif. It is the first of the trilogy, so I better start adjusting....'Purgatory' is next I understand. I do hope there will be a bit more rhythm in the next offering...not to slam it though, it is a good production. A response to this would be great. Keep dreaming! Mattou1za [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Morgan Feldon Date: Thu May 9, 2002 7:11 am Subject: Okefenokee 2002 The mother of all 'sending to the wrong address' incidents. I really wish we could change the default reply address to the personal address instead of the list address. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33771 Re: Okefenokee 2002 John Vertical Thu 5/9/2002 2 KB 34832 Okefenokee 2002 Morgan Feldon Sun 7/14/2002 2 KB From: 'vic rek' Date: Thu May 9, 2002 8:29 am Subject: Ricochet Gathering - Okefenokee 2002 Overview Well, I guess I'll say a few words about this strange thing that happens once a year called the 'Ricochet Gathering'. This event is very special and is celebrated by musicians and fans that are able to travel to an exotic location and let loose. The term 'musician's workshop' has now been coined at the Ricochet Gathering. This has been the third successful year and this event has steadily grown. I am not saying this is a large gathering - around 27 people this time, but I think this may have been close to the peak for this location. I have read Dave Brewer's earlier report and it was quite accurate from a day to day schedule of what happened. Dave by the way, has been the only musician that has attended all three events. I have decided not to review this gathering since I would not offer an accurate perspective since I'm the organizer and producer of this event. I hope that others that attended will comment on their experience or at least post some picture on their websites. Each time, this Gathering takes on a different feel, which is created by the musicians and fans in attendance. This year we had AirSculpture (Pete and John) make the flight out from the UK again. These guys are awesome and just wonderful people to hang around with. We had Dave Brewer and Bill Fox join us once more from Arizona and Pennsylvania, repsectively. We had a few last minute cancellations, but at the same time we had a last minute surprise of having Steve Schroyder (from Tangerine Dream and Ash Ra Tempel way back when...) and Jens Zygar better know as Star Sounds Orchestra join us. SSO kind of transformed the event this year with the willingness of the other musicians. There was a different type of energy that built up and eventually climaxed in a 'Psychedelic Trance Party' on the grass, in the picnic area, by the swings.... I cannot describe this experience. Only Jens is qualified to explain it and you must live it. Next, I cannot overlook the 5 1/2 hour ambient session that we called 'Planetary Ambiance' which was a 'out there' experience that transcended planets such as Earth, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Saturn and Jupiter - all that were tuned to a specific frequency and astrological time. Different moods occurred during these different phases of the planets. Some were in tune, some were slightly 'out of tune'. That's what it was about - going inter-planetary.... We had a fun gift exchange. This year it was over 100 TD and EM releated items. This party activity took quite some time and we again had fun having differnet means of possibly gaining another TD rarity. I was disappointed I didn't win that slightly used vintage TD T-shirt, but you can't have it all - just enough to keep that warm smile within. So, many painted their own picture while they were there, for some it was a masterpiece, for others it was trial and error. But I think we all agreed that we functioned well as a small community that was forced to live, sleep, cook, party and listen to each other for four days.... We made it! There are plans to release music on CD that will document this experience for those that could not attend. Also, we will move on in 2003 to the next TD related location: Mojave Desert, California - starting the first ricochet of the Ricochet Gathering. Life has been difficult for many of us in this complicated world - it will get better. Look out from some good things to come from these gatherings and Ricochet Dream Productions. VicRek From: 'syensen' Date: Thu May 9, 2002 9:05 am Subject: Re: Tangerine Tree Feedback As far as I know there was only the one show. If there was another it certainly wasn't advertised! If there were two I would have attended that one also :-) Cheers, Steve - the TD fan who was there! --- In tadream@y..., olle.rundgren@s... wrote: > 1) Nottingham 76 > > The first two tracks could easily be officially released as they are. > There's only a short 'blurr' at around 22 minutes into Track 1, otherwise > superb. Track three doesn't reach the same level of course, but still it is > great to have it included. A shame only that it isn't the entire track. > > I can now tell for sure which one of the two recordings I have of this > concert, that obviously is another show. Were there more than one show in > Nottingham '76? From: 'John Vertical' Date: Thu May 9, 2002 11:37 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Okefenokee 2002 >I really wish we could change the default reply address to the personal >address instead of the list address. And supposedly you'd like it to change back automatically when you want to reply to the whole group? ;-) Well frankly. I guess that it is more common to reply to the group than to reply to the sender... so it's fine as it it. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From: Mark Filipak Date: Thu May 9, 2002 12:21 pm Subject: Email addresses (was: [tadream] Okefenokee 2002) John Vertical wrote: > > Morgan Feldon wrote: > >I really wish we could change the default reply address to the personal > >address instead of the list address. > > And supposedly you'd like it to change back automatically when you want > to reply to the whole group? ;-) > Well frankly. I guess that it is more common to reply to the group than > to reply to the sender... so it's fine as it it. Actually, most lists default to personal address with a CC to the list. That way: Hit 'Reply' to reply personally, and Hit 'Reply All' to reply both personally and to the list. So 'Reply' becomes personal and 'Reply All' effectively becomes 'reply to the list'. (...Get it?...) I wish it was that way on this list too. Ciao -- Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33776 Re: Email addresses (was: [tadream] Okefenokee 20 quarlie@a... Thu 5/9/2002 2 KB 33785 Re: Email addresses (was: [tadream] Okefenokee 20 syensen Fri 5/10/2002 3 KB From: 'tei waz' Date: Thu May 9, 2002 4:01 pm Subject: re [tadream] Tangerine Tree Feedback >How many people still don't have their copies? teiwaz raises his hand--apparently there were some problems with the SHN copies from my branch's branch--not sure how far back down the tree that problem goes. Last I heard (or bothered to find out) was April 19th--things may have changed since then, I dunno. I could be impatient but these things take time. --T np Tabla Beat Science finale Stern Grove, SF 2001 _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33774 Re: re [tadream] Tangerine Tree Feedback Owens, James Thu 5/9/2002 3 KB From: 'Owens, James' Date: Thu May 9, 2002 4:05 pm Subject: RE: re [tadream] Tangerine Tree Feedback Hi Guys, I'm the holdup here. I got the corrected SHNs, but my computer that has the CD-Burner has a malfunctioning hard-drive. I got a replacement in the mail yesterday, and I hope to have it up an running this weekend. If not, I may be able to borrow a burner here at work. Sorry for the delay guys. James > -----Original Message----- > From: tei waz [mailto:teiwazbarana@h...] > Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 11:01 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com; teiwazbarana@h... > Subject: re [tadream] Tangerine Tree Feedback > > > > > >How many people still don't have their copies? > > teiwaz raises his hand--apparently there were some problems > with the SHN > copies from my branch's branch--not sure how far back down > the tree that > problem goes. > > Last I heard (or bothered to find out) was April 19th--things > may have > changed since then, I dunno. I could be impatient but these > things take > time. > > --T > > np Tabla Beat Science finale Stern Grove, SF 2001 > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Thu May 9, 2002 4:09 pm Subject: Tangerine Tree To all my leafs, I have disks, Please contact me with valid and or useable email address so I can respond. ;-) A much happy camper. I played disk 1 today on the way to work. Most likely will continue to do the same on the way home. If anyone out there thinks they are not missing something by not paying a arm, leg, 1st born or what ever, they do not know what they are missing. If the rest of the disks are the same or just near, this is a must have collection. 'I pity the fool'(borrowed) who does not want to have these disks. Dale Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. From: quarlie@a... Date: Thu May 9, 2002 5:23 pm Subject: Re: Email addresses (was: [tadream] Okefenokee 2002) In a message dated 5/9/02 8:25:41 AM, filipak@m... writes: >Actually, most lists default to personal address with a CC to the list. >That way: > >Hit 'Reply' to reply personally, and >Hit 'Reply All' to reply both personally and to the list. > >So 'Reply' becomes personal and 'Reply All' effectively becomes 'reply >to >the list'. (...Get it?...) Hmm... but then when you reply to the list, the person whose message you are replying to will get two copies of the reply. And then if that person then wants to reply on-list to your message, they have to make sure to reply to the copy from the list, and not the copy from you. That strikes me as a bit silly. Especially since there are enough duplicate posts already, between tadream, tangerinedream and goblinsclub. --Daniel NP: Icon of Coil - The Soul Is in the Software Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33785 Re: Email addresses (was: [tadream] Okefenokee 20 syensen Fri 5/10/2002 3 KB From: Mark Filipak Date: Thu May 9, 2002 5:51 pm Subject: Re: Email addresses quarlie@a... wrote: > > In a message dated 5/9/02 8:25:41 AM, filipak@m... writes: > > >Actually, most lists default to personal address with a CC to the list. > >That way: > > > >Hit 'Reply' to reply personally, and > >Hit 'Reply All' to reply both personally and to the list. > > > >So 'Reply' becomes personal and 'Reply All' effectively becomes 'reply > >to > >the list'. (...Get it?...) > > Hmm... but then when you reply to the list, the person whose message > you are replying to will get two copies of the reply. ... Yes, and it's easy to delete one because they come in with the same date and time, together. > ... And then if that > person then wants to reply on-list to your message, they have to make > sure to reply to the copy from the list, and not the copy from you. ... No. You can reply to either one. And in your reply to either one, if you 'reply' it is personal and if you 'reply all' it goes to the list too. You see, that's because the list is 'CC' in both copies. > ... That strikes me as a bit silly. Especially since there are enough > duplicate posts already, between tadream, tangerinedream and > goblinsclub. There would not be any additional posts -- provided of course, that you don't reply to *both* copies. 8^) You have to experience it. It works, believe me. For example, Daniel, look at how I've done this reply. Ciao -- Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33780 Re: Email addresses quarlie@a... Thu 5/9/2002 2 KB From: Mark Filipak Date: Thu May 9, 2002 6:48 pm Subject: Mark Filipak change of address Hi All! Please note my new address: filipak @ rmincubator . org and change your address books. Ciao -- Mark From: Mark Filipak Date: Thu May 9, 2002 7:04 pm Subject: Mark Filipak correct address I'm sorry. I'm really tired. Please note my new address: filipak @ mrincubator . org ^^ (Note 'mr...' not 'rm...') Ciao -- Mark From: quarlie@a... Date: Thu May 9, 2002 8:36 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Email addresses In a message dated 5/9/02 1:55:56 PM, filipak@m... writes: >> Hmm... but then when you reply to the list, the person whose message >> you are replying to will get two copies of the reply. ... > >Yes, and it's easy to delete one because they come in with the same date >and time, together. In my experience Yahoo just isn't that timely, but I suppose it wouldn't be much of a problem with a different list system. >> ... And then if that >> person then wants to reply on-list to your message, they have to make >> sure to reply to the copy from the list, and not the copy from you. ... > >No. You can reply to either one. And in your reply to either one, if you >'reply' it is personal and if you 'reply all' it goes to the list too. >You see, that's because the list is 'CC' in both copies. That's right, of course. My mistake. --Daniel NP: Astralasia - The Space Between From: 'E Neal Frost' Date: Fri May 10, 2002 3:18 am Subject: DTS and Im Memoriam Hello All, Please do not think me dense or thick or anything. I am not computer savvy. Um......what does DTS mean, and why do I only hear static when I try to listen to the Im Memoriam track on the DWT II set on my portable CD player? Thanks Neal PS - OUTSTANDING music, BTW!!! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33783 AW: [tadream] DTS and Im Memoriam Herbert Fri 5/10/2002 3 KB From: Morgan Feldon Date: Fri May 10, 2002 4:06 am Subject: DTS >Neal Frost said: > >Um......what does DTS mean, and why do I only hear static when I try to >listen to the Im Memoriam track on the DWT II set on my portable CD player? DTS is Digital Theater Sound. It is a 6 channel sound format which has to be decoded on a DTS-capable receiver and played back on 6 speakers. Your CD player has absolutely no idea what to do with this 6 channel track. I think at one time, on the Dreamwatchers Tales II website, you could download a stereo version of this track. -Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33787 Re: DTS Antonio Nunes Fri 5/10/2002 2 KB 33796 Re: DTS maggior Fri 5/10/2002 2 KB 33797 Re: DTS Administrator for kay-net.com Fri 5/10/2002 3 KB From: 'Herbert' Date: Fri May 10, 2002 4:11 am Subject: AW: [tadream] DTS and Im Memoriam Hi, DTS is a multichannel audio compression technique mostly used in films or on DVDs in addition to Dolby AC3. See http://www.dtsonline.com/. Herbert > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > Von: E Neal Frost [mailto:strat95@b...] > Gesendet: Freitag, 10. Mai 2002 05:19 > An: tadream@yahoogroups.com; tangerinedream@yahoogroups.com > Betreff: [tadream] DTS and Im Memoriam > > > Hello All, > > Please do not think me dense or thick or anything. I am not > computer savvy. > > Um......what does DTS mean, and why do I only hear static > when I try to > listen to the Im Memoriam track on the DWT II set on my > portable CD player? > > Thanks > Neal > > PS - OUTSTANDING music, BTW!!! > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Morgan Feldon Date: Fri May 10, 2002 5:48 am Subject: Weekly Chats Once again, everyone is welcome, and encouraged, to join us in the weekly Tangerine Dream chat Friday night from approx 6pm to 1am. This large window is provided so those in Europe can chime in in the early morning. Hopefully we will get a large turnout of Okefenokee guests and TD fanatics and diehards as we did the last 2 weeks. We discuss anything from our favorite TD albums, to other EM recommendations, to concert-venue minutiae. Several of us chat on the Internet Relay Chat (IRC) typically on Friday and Saturday afternoons through evenings. It can be difficult to catch one of us due to the gaps between when the European chatters come and go, and when the American chatters come and go. In the last few weeks, the chat has really been growing, with as many as 10-12 people at once, and always 3-4 people to chat with during the entire chat window. The chat is very free-form and we try to keep it friendly. The chat has been operated and hosted by Flemming (AirWave) for the last 3 years and I have offered my help (as the creator of the original chat 4 years ago) to promote it. Getting into the chat can be a bit complicated, so I have prepared a downloadable copy of the chat program which has already been set up to automatically connect to the chat and bring you into the discussion right away. Windows users, you can get this here: http://www.feldoncentral.com/tddisc/tadreamIRC.exe Download it and run it. It will want to save itself to a new folder on your hard drive 'tadreamChat'. You may save the chat program somewhere else if you like, as long as it's convenient and a location you will remember. Now that you've done that, open it up and double-click on the colorful icon named 'mIRC'. In about 30 seconds, it should bring you into the chat. If not, e-mail me and we'll do everything we can to help you get things working. Mac users, Download version 3.0.4 of IRCLE or another IRC client. Ircle can be found here: http://www.ircle.com/download.shtml Bring up a Status or console-type window in IRCLE, then type these three exact instructions: /nick tadreamfan2 /server irc.sorcery.net 9000 /join #tadream You may need to wait 30 seconds after typing the /server command. If typing /join #tadream doesn't work, just wait a few seconds and try it again. Mac/Windows: On the right side of the screen, you should see a 'Nick list' window pop up. If you see more than one name (I'm logged in as feldon26), then there are people there to chat! Please say Hi and give us a chance to respond. We might be spinning up a CD or grabbing a bite to eat. Hope to see you in the chat! -Morgan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33826 Rockoon Volt Records Paul Fellows Sun 5/12/2002 2 KB From: 'syensen' Date: Fri May 10, 2002 9:40 am Subject: Re: Email addresses (was: [tadream] Okefenokee 2002) Don't forget the 4th TD list - artofvision! Cheers, Steve. --- In tadream@y..., quarlie@a... wrote: > In a message dated 5/9/02 8:25:41 AM, filipak@m... writes: > > >Actually, most lists default to personal address with a CC to the list. > >That way: > > > >Hit 'Reply' to reply personally, and > >Hit 'Reply All' to reply both personally and to the list. > > > >So 'Reply' becomes personal and 'Reply All' effectively becomes 'reply > >to > >the list'. (...Get it?...) > > Hmm... but then when you reply to the list, the person whose message you are > replying to will get two copies of the reply. And then if that person then > wants to reply on-list to your message, they have to make sure to reply to > the copy from the list, and not the copy from you. That strikes me as a bit > silly. Especially since there are enough duplicate posts already, between > tadream, tangerinedream and goblinsclub. > > --Daniel > NP: Icon of Coil - The Soul Is in the Software From: Armin Theissen Date: Fri May 10, 2002 10:26 am Subject: irc folks, can I ask what server and channel you meet on irc? I've finally got xchat working on my machine. thanks, and sorry if that has been discussed before armin ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33788 Re: irc Gustavo Jobim Fri 5/10/2002 2 KB From: Antonio Nunes Date: Fri May 10, 2002 10:51 am Subject: Re: [tadream] DTS Morgan Feldon wrote: > > I think at one time, on the Dreamwatchers Tales II website, you could > download a stereo version of this track. It's still there: http://olyam.free.fr/sons/im_memoriam(darklion-olyam).zip Antonio From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Fri May 10, 2002 6:04 pm Subject: Re: irc It's the #tadream at Sorcery.net ; the server I always use is kechara.sorcery.net, port 7000. Armin 'Scale' Theissen wrote: > can I ask what server and channel you meet on irc? I've finally > got xchat working on my machine. Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... From: Armin Theissen Date: Fri May 10, 2002 11:18 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Weekly Chats Hi, when I asked for irc channel and server recently, I hadn't seen this mail yet. Sorry for unnecessary traffic... anyway, I'm afraid I won't be in, because at the time you chat I'm off for the weekend during which I *do not want to see computers* b/c they're my job :-( I guess Friday 6pm to Sat. 1am is not a European time zone? What GMT are we talking about? (just in case I *might* be around a computer....) armin > > Once again, everyone is welcome, and encouraged, to join us in the weekly > Tangerine Dream chat Friday night from approx 6pm to 1am. This large window > is provided so those in Europe can chime in in the early morning. > > Hopefully we will get a large turnout of Okefenokee guests and TD fanatics > and diehards as we did the last 2 weeks. We discuss anything from our > favorite TD albums, to other EM recommendations, to concert-venue minutiae. > > Several of us chat on the Internet Relay Chat (IRC) typically on Friday and > Saturday afternoons through evenings. It can be difficult to catch one of > us due to the gaps between when the European chatters come and go, and when > the American chatters come and go. In the last few weeks, the chat has > really been growing, with as many as 10-12 people at once, and always 3-4 > people to chat with during the entire chat window. The chat is very > free-form and we try to keep it friendly. The chat has been operated and > hosted by Flemming (AirWave) for the last 3 years and I have offered my > help (as the creator of the original chat 4 years ago) to promote it. > > Getting into the chat can be a bit complicated, so I have prepared a > downloadable copy of the chat program which has already been set up to > automatically connect to the chat and bring you into the discussion right away. > > Windows users, you can get this here: > http://www.feldoncentral.com/tddisc/tadreamIRC.exe > > Download it and run it. It will want to save itself to a new folder on your > hard drive 'tadreamChat'. You may save the chat program somewhere else if > you like, as long as it's convenient and a location you will remember. Now > that you've done that, open it up and double-click on the colorful icon > named 'mIRC'. In about 30 seconds, it should bring you into the chat. If > not, e-mail me and we'll do everything we can to help you get things working. > > > Mac users, > > Download version 3.0.4 of IRCLE or another IRC client. Ircle can be found here: > http://www.ircle.com/download.shtml > > Bring up a Status or console-type window in IRCLE, then type these three > exact instructions: > > /nick tadreamfan2 > /server irc.sorcery.net 9000 > /join #tadream > > You may need to wait 30 seconds after typing the /server command. If typing > /join #tadream doesn't work, just wait a few seconds and try it again. > > > Mac/Windows: > > On the right side of the screen, you should see a 'Nick list' window pop > up. If you see more than one name (I'm logged in as feldon26), then there > are people there to chat! Please say Hi and give us a chance to respond. We > might be spinning up a CD or grabbing a bite to eat. > > > Hope to see you in the chat! > > -Morgan > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Fri May 10, 2002 11:54 am Subject: If you would have to describe the music of 'Aqua'... ...do you think it would sound like this? :-) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=869304066 Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33793 Re: If you would have to describe the music of 'A atye@a... Fri 5/10/2002 2 KB From: 'olovur2' Date: Fri May 10, 2002 11:58 am Subject: Re: Tangerine Tree Feedback Hi John, > >5) Fassbinder Memorial > --- > >The concert is extremely perfect. Almost no live-feeling at all. > Some contradiction here? ;-) What I meant to say is that it sounds almost as if it was a studio- recording. > >7) Croydon 75 > >So I guess that this is the Ricochet concert? > >--this could have been an official release. > > Another contradiction? Well at least it seems kind of funny when I read it again. To clarify; I was merely referring to the quality of the recording. It is so good that it could be taken for an official recording. Apart from that I agree with you in that Ricochet, in terms of musical content, is better. /Olle From: 'olovur2' Date: Fri May 10, 2002 12:06 pm Subject: Re: Tangerine Tree Feedback > Huh? Isn't 'Monolith' a made-up name? > > Aren't 'Drywater Rush', 'Rain in Spain', and 'Octagon' also made-up names? > > Let me know, quickly please -- Mark As far as I know these are all made-up names. Don't know by whom though. I believe that in 1977 the tracks played live still didn't have names (if they weren't released like on Encore). /Olle From: atye@a... Date: Fri May 10, 2002 12:42 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] If you would have to describe the music of 'Aqua'... PLUS....he has it listed in the 'Jazz' category...must be a Tower Records employee ;-) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'michaeljean@e...' Date: Fri May 10, 2002 1:10 pm Subject: RE: Re: [tadream] Weekly Chats I would guess starting -5 or -6 GMT Original Message: ----------------- From: Armin Theissen Armin.Theissen@s... Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 12:18:40 +0100 (BST) To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [tadream] Weekly Chats Hi, when I asked for irc channel and server recently, I hadn't seen this mail yet. Sorry for unnecessary traffic... anyway, I'm afraid I won't be in, because at the time you chat I'm off for the weekend during which I *do not want to see computers* b/c they're my job :-( I guess Friday 6pm to Sat. 1am is not a European time zone? What GMT are we talking about? (just in case I *might* be around a computer....) armin > > Once again, everyone is welcome, and encouraged, to join us in the weekly > Tangerine Dream chat Friday night from approx 6pm to 1am. This large window > is provided so those in Europe can chime in in the early morning. > > Hopefully we will get a large turnout of Okefenokee guests and TD fanatics > and diehards as we did the last 2 weeks. We discuss anything from our > favorite TD albums, to other EM recommendations, to concert-venue minutiae. > > Several of us chat on the Internet Relay Chat (IRC) typically on Friday and > Saturday afternoons through evenings. It can be difficult to catch one of > us due to the gaps between when the European chatters come and go, and when > the American chatters come and go. In the last few weeks, the chat has > really been growing, with as many as 10-12 people at once, and always 3-4 > people to chat with during the entire chat window. The chat is very > free-form and we try to keep it friendly. The chat has been operated and > hosted by Flemming (AirWave) for the last 3 years and I have offered my > help (as the creator of the original chat 4 years ago) to promote it. > > Getting into the chat can be a bit complicated, so I have prepared a > downloadable copy of the chat program which has already been set up to > automatically connect to the chat and bring you into the discussion right away. > > Windows users, you can get this here: > http://www.feldoncentral.com/tddisc/tadreamIRC.exe > > Download it and run it. It will want to save itself to a new folder on your > hard drive 'tadreamChat'. You may save the chat program somewhere else if > you like, as long as it's convenient and a location you will remember. Now > that you've done that, open it up and double-click on the colorful icon > named 'mIRC'. In about 30 seconds, it should bring you into the chat. If > not, e-mail me and we'll do everything we can to help you get things working. > > > Mac users, > > Download version 3.0.4 of IRCLE or another IRC client. Ircle can be found here: > http://www.ircle.com/download.shtml > > Bring up a Status or console-type window in IRCLE, then type these three > exact instructions: > > /nick tadreamfan2 > /server irc.sorcery.net 9000 > /join #tadream > > You may need to wait 30 seconds after typing the /server command. If typing > /join #tadream doesn't work, just wait a few seconds and try it again. > > > Mac/Windows: > > On the right side of the screen, you should see a 'Nick list' window pop > up. If you see more than one name (I'm logged in as feldon26), then there > are people there to chat! Please say Hi and give us a chance to respond. We > might be spinning up a CD or grabbing a bite to eat. > > > Hope to see you in the chat! > > -Morgan > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Fri May 10, 2002 3:18 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Weekly Chats I'm off for the weekend during which I *do not want to see computers* > b/c they're my job :-( Trust me, I feel the same way. However, for the past 24+ years they have been a part of my life. Just call me a Borg. I share with you that some weekends I make a point not to try to touch anything that has a chip in it. So far I have not made that a 100% reality. Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Armin Theissen' To: Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 4:18 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Weekly Chats > > Hi, > > when I asked for irc channel and server recently, I hadn't seen this > mail yet. Sorry for unnecessary traffic... > > anyway, I'm afraid I won't be in, because at the time you chat > I'm off for the weekend during which I *do not want to see computers* > b/c they're my job :-( > > I guess Friday 6pm to Sat. 1am is not a European time zone? > What GMT are we talking about? (just in case I *might* be around a > computer....) > > armin > > > > > Once again, everyone is welcome, and encouraged, to join us in the weekly > > Tangerine Dream chat Friday night from approx 6pm to 1am. This large window > > is provided so those in Europe can chime in in the early morning. > > > > Hopefully we will get a large turnout of Okefenokee guests and TD fanatics > > and diehards as we did the last 2 weeks. We discuss anything from our > > favorite TD albums, to other EM recommendations, to concert-venue minutiae. > > > > Several of us chat on the Internet Relay Chat (IRC) typically on Friday and > > Saturday afternoons through evenings. It can be difficult to catch one of > > us due to the gaps between when the European chatters come and go, and when > > the American chatters come and go. In the last few weeks, the chat has > > really been growing, with as many as 10-12 people at once, and always 3-4 > > people to chat with during the entire chat window. The chat is very > > free-form and we try to keep it friendly. The chat has been operated and > > hosted by Flemming (AirWave) for the last 3 years and I have offered my > > help (as the creator of the original chat 4 years ago) to promote it. > > > > Getting into the chat can be a bit complicated, so I have prepared a > > downloadable copy of the chat program which has already been set up to > > automatically connect to the chat and bring you into the discussion right > away. > > > > Windows users, you can get this here: > > http://www.feldoncentral.com/tddisc/tadreamIRC.exe > > > > Download it and run it. It will want to save itself to a new folder on your > > hard drive 'tadreamChat'. You may save the chat program somewhere else if > > you like, as long as it's convenient and a location you will remember. Now > > that you've done that, open it up and double-click on the colorful icon > > named 'mIRC'. In about 30 seconds, it should bring you into the chat. If > > not, e-mail me and we'll do everything we can to help you get things working. > > > > > > Mac users, > > > > Download version 3.0.4 of IRCLE or another IRC client. Ircle can be found > here: > > http://www.ircle.com/download.shtml > > > > Bring up a Status or console-type window in IRCLE, then type these three > > exact instructions: > > > > /nick tadreamfan2 > > /server irc.sorcery.net 9000 > > /join #tadream > > > > You may need to wait 30 seconds after typing the /server command. If typing > > /join #tadream doesn't work, just wait a few seconds and try it again. > > > > > > Mac/Windows: > > > > On the right side of the screen, you should see a 'Nick list' window pop > > up. If you see more than one name (I'm logged in as feldon26), then there > > are people there to chat! Please say Hi and give us a chance to respond. We > > might be spinning up a CD or grabbing a bite to eat. > > > > > > Hope to see you in the chat! > > > > -Morgan > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 > SUN Microsystems Ireland > > 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' > - Woody Allen > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'maggior' Date: Fri May 10, 2002 3:22 pm Subject: Re: DTS You can still download the non-DTS version of this song from: http://olyam.free.fr/sommaire_music.htm It's in mp3 format (160 kbps). You can convert it to wave format and burn it onto a CD. I created another version of Disc 2 of DWT II with this non-DTS version since I don't have any equipment with a DTS decoder. BTW, it's a great track and well worth the trouble of downloading. Rich Maggio > > I think at one time, on the Dreamwatchers Tales II website, you could > download a stereo version of this track. > > -Morgan From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Fri May 10, 2002 3:39 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: DTS Amazing how this seems to surface. I asked the same last week. Now I know. I did not follow the list closely for a few months past when this was talked about too. Just happens sometimes that I got other stuff in the way for me to sit and read. Thankfully Joe has this on a system that I can go back and search, read, gather. Just the time to do that sometimes... Anyway, yes download this, burn this, you will like it. It is worth the extra time to do so. Dale Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'maggior' To: Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 8:22 AM Subject: [tadream] Re: DTS > You can still download the non-DTS version of this song from: > > http://olyam.free.fr/sommaire_music.htm > > It's in mp3 format (160 kbps). You can convert it to wave format and > burn it onto a CD. I created another version of Disc 2 of DWT II > with this non-DTS version since I don't have any equipment with a DTS > decoder. > > BTW, it's a great track and well worth the trouble of downloading. > > Rich Maggio > > > > > I think at one time, on the Dreamwatchers Tales II website, you > could > > download a stereo version of this track. > > > > -Morgan > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Fri May 10, 2002 3:38 pm Subject: Soundscapes #2 The Ministry of Inside Things will perform their special brand of spacemusic at the second installment of the Soundscapes Concert Series. The concert will take place at the City of Bethlehem's IceHouse on Sand Island, Saturday, June 22, at 8:00 pm. Doors open at 7:30 pm for a free buffet dinner provided by Chef Jeff. Those who attended Soundscapes #1 will recall a memorable evening of great music and food. Soundscapes #2 promises to be just as enjoyable, as well as being the only source of live spacemusic in the Lehigh Valley. Admission at the door will be $15. Full time Students with valid ID and members of WDIY and WMUH will receive a $5 discount. Advance tickets will be $10 (no discounts), availability to be announced. The Ministry Of Inside Things consists of electric guitarist Art Cohen and synthesist Chuck van Zyl. Considered among the most innovative of electronic musicians in the U.S. today, the members of MoIT are influenced by the early music of Tangerine Dream, Klaus Schulze and Ash Ra Tempel. Their spacemusic has been described as linear because it leads the listener across many sonic terrains. Based on improvisation, The Ministry Of Inside Things creates electronic realizations that flow from theme to theme, often for two hours at a stretch. Through the use of textures and atmospheres as well as harmony, rhythm and melody, the group transports the audience on an internal sonic excursion. Chuck van Zyl has been recording electronic music and performing in public for over 15 years. Van Zyl originally worked under the name Xisle, but is best known for hosting one of the country's most successful radio shows of electronic music, STAR'S END, for over 20 years. Van Zyl has released two CDs of spacemusic on the Centaur label, Celestial Mechanics and The Relic. The Sound Museum with Peter Gulch and D. Andrew Rath was released on the Groove label in 2001. A collaborative effort with Peter Gulch, Regeneration Mode, was released on their own Synkronos label. Art Cohen has been pushing the limits of the electric guitar in the studio and in live performance for well over 15 years. He uses processing to enhance the space around his guitar and loops his live sound to create lush layers to create soundworlds of immense depth and beauty. The Ministry Of Inside Things has performed at Art & Technology, The Philadelphia Museum of Art, First Night Wilmington, the Wild Talents opening reception at the ICA, Gate To Moon Base Alpha, the Boyertown Planetarium, Gathering Concert Series, on the 01.28.01 broadcast of STAR'S END, and on the 07.12.01 broadcast of EMUSIC. Soundscapes #2 is coproduced by WDS Productions and Wooden Shoe Music. Bill billfox@f... SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://www.tadream.net/soundscapes Wooden Shoe Music: http://woodenshoemusic.com/ From: Morgan Feldon Date: Fri May 10, 2002 4:00 pm Subject: Chat >>Armin Theissen said: >>I'm off for the weekend during which I *do not want to see computers* >>b/c they're my job :-( > >Dale said: >Trust me, I feel the same way. However, for the past 24+ years they have >been a part of my life. Just call me a Borg. I share with you that some >weekends I make a point not to try to touch anything that has a chip in it. >So far I have not made that a 100% reality. Go to the next Ricochet Gathering. Problem solved. :) >Armin Theissen asked: >I guess Friday 6pm to Sat. 1am is not a European time zone? >What GMT are we talking about? (just in case I *might* be around a >computer....) That's Central US time. So it would be 11pm to 6am GMT. We already have 2-3 people in the chat right now. -Morgan From: Morgan Feldon Date: Fri May 10, 2002 4:03 pm Subject: John Vertical John Vertical said: > 5) Fassbinder Memorial > --- > The concert is extremely perfect. Almost no live-feeling at all. > 7) Croydon 75 > So I guess that this is the Ricochet concert? > --this could have been an official release. Can't say as I've ever heard anyone complain about how GOOD a bootleg sounds. :) Well, to me, with Fassbinder, I can hear every cough and sneeze and I think everyone had the flu that day or maybe the walls just echoed everything. As for Croydon, it's interesting to hear one of the sources for the Ricochet release. Honestly, I don't listen to it much, preferring the 76 and later concerts. Some people love concerts, some people don't. -Morgan From: 'John Vertical' Date: Fri May 10, 2002 7:47 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Who, me? >John Vertical said: No I didn't... that was just something I quoted from Olle R. I can put in my own comments about these if you want. Vol.1: The best of the bunch. Very strong in both melody&rhytm. Scale Deluxe (Part 1) gets very haunting at cc. 23 minutes. Highlight #2 would be the keyboard solo of Indolent Annihilation. (Part 3) Vol.2: Interesting, but only as background music. Non-sequence teaser... Vol.3: Blah. Vol.4: 2nd trophy. Great guitar solos in Monolith and Octagon II; Drywater Rush is a distilled beauty; and Rain In Spain is just hilarious at the beginning. Vol.5: Intro, Logos/Poland bridge and outro are good, very 80ish atmospheres. But the bulk of Logos and Poland are somehow overdone... Vol.6: Flute solo in Part 1 (Live Grove as I'd like to have it named) is great, but I don't care about the rest. On the other hand, I haven't listened to them much... Vol.7: Geeeez, this stuff is psychotic! Part 1 is excellent non-melody while Part 2 is over-bass-ed. Part 3 is less original than the main sets, but still weird enough to drive an ordinary person mad... Vol.8: I actually like Soundmill Navigator better, I have no vintage obsession. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From: 'michaeljean@e...' Date: Fri May 10, 2002 9:42 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] If you would have to describe the music of Aqua... hee hee hee hee Original Message: ----------------- From: Heiko Heerssen heiko.heerssen@h... Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 13:54:58 +0200 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] If you would have to describe the music of 'Aqua'... ..do you think it would sound like this? :-) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=869304066 Heiko ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33803 Re: If you would have to describe the music of Aq vic rek Fri 5/10/2002 2 KB From: 'vic rek' Date: Fri May 10, 2002 10:29 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] If you would have to describe the music of Aqua... I think he described the music perfectly. I like the 'freaky german dude' phrase. :-) >From: > hee hee hee hee > > From: Heiko Heerssen heiko.heerssen@h... > Subject: [tadream] If you would have to describe the music of 'Aqua'... > ..do you think it would sound like this? :-) > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=869304066 > From: 'Adele Outland' Date: Fri May 10, 2002 11:42 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Weekly Chats Depending on daylight savings, European times are about 5-6 hours ahead of us in the States, so my 6pm would be your 11-midnight. Not too late if you don't have to go to work the next day. I hope you will join us one of these weekends because I can guarantee you will have such a nice time that you'll be back again and again. Plus the chat seems to be picking up steam on other nights as well, like Thursday or Tuesday with a couple of people jumping in to check the activity. Oh, and if I should ask you one single computer question, you can tell me to go sit in the corner. 8-) Dell All IMO of course. >From: Armin Theissen >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [tadream] Weekly Chats >Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 12:18:40 +0100 (BST) > > >Hi, > >when I asked for irc channel and server recently, I hadn't seen this >mail yet. Sorry for unnecessary traffic... > >anyway, I'm afraid I won't be in, because at the time you chat >I'm off for the weekend during which I *do not want to see computers* >b/c they're my job :-( > >I guess Friday 6pm to Sat. 1am is not a European time zone? >What GMT are we talking about? (just in case I *might* be around a >computer....) > >armin As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams. _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33815 Re: Weekly Chats Gustavo Jobim Sat 5/11/2002 2 KB From: 'Admin' Date: Sat May 11, 2002 4:46 am Subject: DW III Hey, so what is the dead line? What is happening? Who is going to create the Master Piece art work? Double or single? Why not a triple? Who is game or should I say 'Is the game afoot?' Let's keep this rolling. ;-( dale From: Mark Filipak Date: Sat May 11, 2002 4:46 am Subject: The Most Beautiful Rock for Poland Hi Y'all! I'm sitting here designing logos for a client and I'm listening to 'The Most Beautiful Rock for Peace' -- Warsaw, 31 Aug 2001. And I'm thinking, 'What is it with Edgar? Does he just love Poland, or what?' Is this the greatest TD show ever? I know that it is an outrageous thing to ask considering how many truely great shows TD has presented, but I have to say that 'The Most Beautiful Rock for Peace' just may get my vote as THE GREATEST TANGERINE DREAM CONCERT OF ALL TIME!! (...Certain 'tree dwellers' are in for a real treat...) Ciao -- Mark -- See my resume: http://home.earthlink.net/~filipak/resume/ See my music trade pages: http://home.earthlink.net/~filipak/music/ Last updated: 14 April 2002 Q: Is UNIX the spawn of Satan? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33807 Re: The Most Beautiful Rock for Poland Admin Sat 5/11/2002 3 KB 33809 Re: The Most Beautiful Rock for Poland Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz Sat 5/11/2002 2 KB 33852 Re[2]: [tadream] The Most Beautiful Rock for Pola Szatmari Pal Mon 5/13/2002 3 KB 33813 Re: The Most Beautiful Rock for Poland chris towers Sat 5/11/2002 3 KB 33818 Re: The Most Beautiful Rock for Poland Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz Sat 5/11/2002 3 KB 33831 Re: The Most Beautiful Rock for Poland Michael A Jean Sun 5/12/2002 3 KB 33834 Re: The Most Beautiful Rock for Poland Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz Sun 5/12/2002 2 KB From: 'Admin' Date: Sat May 11, 2002 4:59 am Subject: Re: [tadream] The Most Beautiful Rock for Poland rr rrrrrrrrr rrr they be a lurking in the back rrrr.rrrrr r r r r rr .-) thats me good eye ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Mark Filipak' To: 'tadream' Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 9:46 PM Subject: [tadream] The Most Beautiful Rock for Poland > Hi Y'all! > > I'm sitting here designing logos for a client and I'm listening to 'The > Most Beautiful Rock for Peace' -- Warsaw, 31 Aug 2001. > > And I'm thinking, 'What is it with Edgar? Does he just love Poland, or > what?' > > Is this the greatest TD show ever? I know that it is an outrageous thing > to ask considering how many truely great shows TD has presented, but I > have to say that 'The Most Beautiful Rock for Peace' just may get my vote > as THE GREATEST TANGERINE DREAM CONCERT OF ALL TIME!! > > (...Certain 'tree dwellers' are in for a real treat...) > > Ciao -- Mark > -- > See my resume: http://home.earthlink.net/~filipak/resume/ > See my music trade pages: http://home.earthlink.net/~filipak/music/ > Last updated: 14 April 2002 > Q: Is UNIX the spawn of Satan? > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Admin' Date: Sat May 11, 2002 5:02 am Subject: Wondering why I an wondering about DWIII? Last Wednesday I put the down payment on the A5000. The 20th I pick it up, zip, hd drive and all. I am searching around now for Mellotron samples. I wonder if you can guess what I am up too? Maybe later this summer is life is good, the a Karma finds it way to my little shop of sound horrors. ;-) that be both of me good eyes.... rrrrr r r r rrrr Dale From: 'Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz' Date: Sat May 11, 2002 10:52 am Subject: RE: [tadream] The Most Beautiful Rock for Poland > > And I'm thinking, 'What is it with Edgar? Does he just love Poland, or > what?' Yesss, I think so... And we (the Polish) love Edgar ;-) Jarek 'Jerry' mailto:jerry@t... Visit my website at: http://www.tangerinedream.pl/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33852 Re[2]: [tadream] The Most Beautiful Rock for Pola Szatmari Pal Mon 5/13/2002 3 KB From: Art Of Vision Date: Sat May 11, 2002 11:10 am Subject: Some tree reviews Greetings I also decided to say a word on the subject... So, the best of this selection is: Nottingham, 76. Unusually, lots of wonderful piano. One of the few boots which reaches level of an official studio release; first track, at least. Great thing is that almost all this music I've never heared before... Is it improvised? Fassbinder Memorial, 83. The best part of Logos&The best part of Poland, but anyway - nothing new here. What does it mean, Fassbinder Memorial, BTW? The concert was played near Fassbinder's memorial (statue)? Or it was played in memory of Fassbinder? And who is Fassbinder? Sheffield, 74. Deepest darkness :)) I like the style, but it certainly requires a special mood. Reminds of Phaedra at the end. Washington, 77. Can't say I like this one... What's funny here, IMO, is that the words are exactly which appear at the beginning of Encore: 'Peter Baumann, Edgar Froese and Chris Franke, all well-known as Tangerine Dream'. At least they sound like that. Then, the music is just Encore, slightly changed, but not better, and the other material... Doesn't impress me. ArtOfVision P.S. Why does every concert contain someone coughing ? :- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From: Art Of Vision Date: Sat May 11, 2002 11:11 am Subject: Bernau, 2001, Q&R I apologise, if it was already discussed... Does the Bernau, 2001 concert somehow differ from official Inferno release? Who is the author of the lyrics, and maybe their contents (at least the english part) are available? Or they are part of the Divine Comedy's original text? The music. The album to compare with here is, of cause, Tyger. I suppose, TD has already developed a standard set of tricks for their vocal albums... soft female voices, sudden change of intonations, vocal parts alternate with instrumental. Both albums have it, also Inferno is more repetitive and predictable. Of cause, it has some nice passages, but all in all - it becomes boring after being listened two or three times !! Anyway, it's a pity TD are going to do another two parts. I'me quite sure they will be just like this one. And it lowers chances of us ever hearing a new classic TD album... ArtOfVision __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From: Art Of Vision Date: Sat May 11, 2002 11:12 am Subject: Airsculpture - Thunderhead, RMI - Republic, Arcane - Gather Darkness This are the albums I've got recently. Thunderhead: It reminds me of windy heights of Russian northern mountains (don't know the english title), where I twice went on a hike. It's a cold, rocky place, with small glaciers and large, clear-water lakes :- Pogofish track is very funny, and the worst is PolarVoid... Republic: first&second tracks - medicore, but the last, title-track, just brilliant! Also I would call it 'Empire', not 'Republic' :) Maybe both titles are suitable, cause the sound of this composiotion... reminds of the ancient Rome, a bit. Gather Darkness: nice, but very close to TD: first track is like Logos, second and third - Encore, and the ending of Requiem is almost Remote Viewing ! Anyway, Dystopian Fictions is the best and then the album gets worse and worse to the end. Still, the best Non-TD album I've heared remains The Demon Haunted World, by Under The Dome. ArtOfVision __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From: chris towers Date: Sat May 11, 2002 11:27 am Subject: Re: [tadream] The Most Beautiful Rock for Poland Im lucky enough to have the 'Rock forr Peace' on 3 CDRs. Apart from the very long quiet spell at the beginning before the show starts, am i to take it that the Tree version is going to be better or ???????? Chris --- Mark Filipak wrote: > Hi Y'all! > > I'm sitting here designing logos for a client and > I'm listening to 'The > Most Beautiful Rock for Peace' -- Warsaw, 31 Aug > 2001. > > And I'm thinking, 'What is it with Edgar? Does he > just love Poland, or > what?' > > Is this the greatest TD show ever? I know that it is > an outrageous thing > to ask considering how many truely great shows TD > has presented, but I > have to say that 'The Most Beautiful Rock for Peace' > just may get my vote > as THE GREATEST TANGERINE DREAM CONCERT OF ALL > TIME!! > > (...Certain 'tree dwellers' are in for a real > treat...) > > Ciao -- Mark > -- > See my resume: > http://home.earthlink.net/~filipak/resume/ > See my music trade pages: > http://home.earthlink.net/~filipak/music/ > Last updated: 14 April 2002 > Q: Is UNIX the spawn of Satan? > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33818 Re: The Most Beautiful Rock for Poland Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz Sat 5/11/2002 3 KB 33831 Re: The Most Beautiful Rock for Poland Michael A Jean Sun 5/12/2002 3 KB 33834 Re: The Most Beautiful Rock for Poland Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz Sun 5/12/2002 2 KB From: Date: Sat May 11, 2002 12:10 pm Subject: THE KEEP CD Mystery !!! Hello all, at this moment I found many THE KEEP CD on ebay! Why? Have all these people enough from this Soundtrack or only two CD`s from the Soundtrack? Another Mystery is: for a long time it was very hard to find the THE KEEP Soundtrack of the Orange Records Label (Bootleg version). In the last month more than 4 CD`s from the Orange Label was on auction on ebay or on other places. Is the CD rereleased on the Bootleg Market or ??? If you have an answer of this question, please write it on the mailing list. Regards heiko - Mr. Optical www.opticaldream.de heiko www.opticaldream.de (Tangerine Dream Fan Homepage) http://www.zanox-affiliate.de/bin/z_ct_ppc.dll?84845C1006059376 handy4you.de Last Minute in die Sonne mit travelchannel.de - http://www.zanox-affiliate.de/bin/z_ct_ppc.dll?88332C2036242168 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33828 THE KEEP CD Mystery !!! Klaus Beschorner Sun 5/12/2002 3 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sat May 11, 2002 2:45 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Weekly Chats DellMilesGull said: >(...) Plus the chat seems to be picking up steam on other nights as well, like Thursday or Tuesday with a couple of people jumping in to check the activity.(...) I've even been connecting almost every night, this last week, while having dinner when I get home from uniersity... Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Sat May 11, 2002 4:05 pm Subject: Dream sequence - Salvador Dali Hi all I have just been watching the classic Alfred Hitchcock movie 'Spellbound'. In the credits at the start of the movie it says 'Dream sequence based on designs by Salvador Dali'. When thinking of Edgar Froeses fascination of Salvador Dali's work, could it then be logical to assume that this is the reason for TD's album 'Dream Sequence' and that the coverdesigns is displaying a mind???????. Does anyone have any confirmation of this through an interview, statement or is this just in my imagination???? Regards Jan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33817 Re: Dream sequence - Salvador Dali quarlie@a... Sat 5/11/2002 2 KB From: quarlie@a... Date: Sat May 11, 2002 4:58 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Dream sequence - Salvador Dali In a message dated 5/11/02 12:15:04 PM, pergamon@g... writes: >I have just been watching the classic Alfred Hitchcock movie 'Spellbound'. >In the credits at the start of the movie it says 'Dream sequence based >on designs by Salvador Dali'. When thinking of Edgar Froeses fascination >of Salvador Dali's work, could it then be logical to assume that this is >the reason for TD's album 'Dream Sequence' and that the coverdesigns is >displaying a mind???????. FYI, I believe today is Dali's birthday. Get out your sleep fuses. --Daniel NP: Hawkwind - Hall of the Mountain Grill From: 'Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz' Date: Sat May 11, 2002 6:18 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] The Most Beautiful Rock for Poland There are also 2CDR and 4CDR sets. The first one is a desk recording, the second one is an audience DAT recording with additional sound recording of the press conference a day before and the pre-concert music taken from the pressed CD. Jarek 'Jerry' mailto:jerry@t... Visit my website at: http://www.tangerinedream.pl/ > Im lucky enough to have the 'Rock forr Peace' on 3 > CDRs. Apart from the very long quiet spell at the > beginning before the show starts, am i to take it that > the Tree version is going to be better or ???????? > Chris Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33831 Re: The Most Beautiful Rock for Poland Michael A Jean Sun 5/12/2002 3 KB 33834 Re: The Most Beautiful Rock for Poland Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz Sun 5/12/2002 2 KB From: scfeldman@j... Date: Sat May 11, 2002 7:06 pm Subject: INFERNO II and III? On Sat, 11 May 2002 04:11:49 -0700 (PDT) Art Of Vision writes: [Re INFERNO:] >Anyway, it's a pity TD are going to do another two parts. >I'm quite sure they will be just like this one. And it >lowers chances of us ever hearing a new classic TD album... Maybe we'll get lucky and INFERNO II and III will go the route of JIM AND PABLO II-VIII. ;) >ArtOfVision Stephe Feldman, androgyne http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TransRomance listowner http://androgyne.0catch.com/ Androgyne Online webmaster [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Morgan Feldon Date: Sat May 11, 2002 8:25 pm Subject: Most Beautiful... >Mark Filipak said: >Is this the greatest TD show ever? I know that it is an outrageous thing >to ask considering how many truely great shows TD has presented, but I >have to say that 'The Most Beautiful Rock for Peace' just may get my vote >as THE GREATEST TANGERINE DREAM CONCERT OF ALL TIME!! It might be the greatest DAT ever mimed to. :rolleyes: -Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33844 Re: Most Beautiful... chris towers Mon 5/13/2002 3 KB From: Morgan Feldon Date: Sat May 11, 2002 8:30 pm Subject: Tree >Art of Vision said: > >Fassbinder Memorial, 83. >The best part of Logos&The best part of Poland, but >anyway - nothing new here. >What does it mean, Fassbinder Memorial, BTW? >The concert was played near Fassbinder's >memorial (statue)? Or it was played in memory of >Fassbinder? And who is Fassbinder? This was the memorial concert for Fassbinder, an esoteric German director for whom TD did several soundtracks. >Washington, 77. >Can't say I like this one... What's funny here, IMO, >is that >the words are exactly which appear at the beginning of >Encore: 'Peter Baumann, Edgar Froese and Chris Franke, >all well-known as Tangerine Dream'. At least they >sound like >that. > >Then, the music is just Encore, slightly changed, but >not better, >and the other material... Doesn't impress me. Slightly changed? Turn up your hearing aid. While the voiceover beginning by Professor Motta and about 50% of Cherokee Lane and 50% of Monolight as performed as the April 4 77 show (Washington, DC Lisner Auditorium at George Washington, University) appear on Encore, there is an ~hour of unreleased improvised music here. Encore is a combination of studio work, the 4.4.77 show, and some stuff borrowed from the Oedipus Tyrannus soundtrack. -Morgan Some people love TD concerts. It's the other people I don't associate with. :) From: Morgan Feldon Date: Sat May 11, 2002 8:33 pm Subject: Tree #2 >I apologise, if it was already discussed... >Does the Bernau, 2001 concert somehow differ from >official Inferno release? Who is the author of the Edgar rebalanced the audio (some say to its detriment) and cut and pasted applause in various places where there was not applause. Very awkward to people who attended the show. >lyrics, >and maybe their contents (at least the english part) >are available? Or they are part of the Divine >Comedy's original text? > >The music. >The album to compare with here is, of cause, Tyger. >I suppose, TD has already developed a standard set >of tricks for their vocal albums... soft female >voices, Not really. Tyger was William Blake poems being sung on top of the typical TD sound in 87, which was pretty good stuff. Alchemy of the Heart is great and I don't mind the title track Tyger (the '87 version). Inferno is a 1 person opera plus Edgar and Jerome playing orchestra, hardly EM music. -Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33842 Re: Tree #2 j.gordon Mon 5/13/2002 2 KB From: 'Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Media' Date: Sat May 11, 2002 6:57 pm Subject: Ambient Monkeys Hey, I bought Ambient Monkeys at a record fair today. Havent played it yet but the liner notes say it's a pre-concert 'warm up' material from one of their tours. Is that the story behind this release? Glenn From: Art Of Vision Date: Sun May 12, 2002 2:48 am Subject: Re: tree #2 >>I suppose, TD has already developed a standard set >>of tricks for their vocal albums... soft female >>voices, >Not really. Compare the vocals, not the music itself. >Tyger was William Blake poems being sung on >top of the typical TD sound in 87, which was pretty >good stuff. Alchemy of the Heart is great >and I don't mind the title track Tyger (the '87 >version). And I enjoy both 21st CCM a lot. But some Inferno' instrumental parts are very good too, the problem is they are so short... Actually, it's only partly tracks 3&6 of the tree edition. Last one 's just great (in the beginning), don't you find it? Everething after the 6th track is boring and monotonous. I heared the whole piece only once, hoping they show something at the end... disappointment... >Inferno is a 1 person opera plus Edgar and >Jerome playing orchestra, hardly EM music. Who is singing, BTW? ArtOfVision __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From: 'vic rek' Date: Sun May 12, 2002 4:01 am Subject: Ricochet Gathering - Oke T-Shirts Pardon the advert here. I have only 5 Ricochet Gathering T-shirts left out of an original batch of 72. No more of these will be made. Here is your only chance to get this nice ash color shirt with a logo similar to the Okefenokee Dreams 2001 CD. The shirt is $10 + postage. I have left: 1 Medium, 2 Large, 2 X Large First come, first served. Vic From: Paul Fellows Date: Sun May 12, 2002 6:48 am Subject: [tadream] Rockoon Volt Records Hi all, Paid a visit to my homeland yesterday (England) and found a copy of the Rockoon CD, Volt records VR5020 with sky blue cover, completely mint and still in the original shrink wrap. Wanted to know if there was anyone who needed this item for their collection before I put it up on e-bay. Paul From: 'fozziebear' Date: Sun May 12, 2002 6:48 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Ambient Monkeys Glenn said: Hey, I bought Ambient Monkeys at a record fair today. Havent played it yet but the liner notes say it's a pre-concert 'warm up' material from one of their tours. Is that the story behind this release? Yes. They played it before the show I saw them at Bristol on their last UK tour, 97. When I got into the Hall the music was already playing. You could tell it was TD stuff. The CD was for sale at the show as was Dream Mixes and the Keep. I bought Dream Mixes. Guess I bought the wrong one, huh? Ambient Monkeys sounds to me like some existing tracks woven together with rainforest noises in a mix that doesn't always work. David Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33843 Re: Ambient Monkeys chris towers Mon 5/13/2002 3 KB 33856 Re: Ambient Monkeys convention24 Mon 5/13/2002 4 KB From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Sun May 12, 2002 9:41 am Subject: THE KEEP CD Mystery !!! >Another Mystery is: for a long time it was very hard to find the THE >KEEP Soundtrack of the Orange Records Label (Bootleg version). >In the last month more than 4 CD`s from the Orange Label was on auction >on ebay or on other places. >Is the CD rereleased on the Bootleg Market or ??? Heiko, I already wrote this on the list (and in my article, hint, hint!) 'Only very few copies of this CD have been spotted so far, the claimed Romanian origin is, as every so often, fertilizer. Their making is suspiciously similar to Phaedream, and most probably the first copies are released in a slow trickle only to reap in extremely high prices in auctions.' At one of the 'usual places', you can now buy this CD for Euro 18.- (and Phaedream for 8.-), no problems with supply, so I guess I was correct in my assumptions. Those who pay horrendous sums for this item on ebay seriously need their heads examined. I will do this for a nice fee ;-) I guess Martin is on holiday, or otherwise busy, as he used to quench bootleg auctions on ebay quickly. regards klaus From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sun May 12, 2002 1:27 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Encore > >Then, the music is just Encore, slightly changed, but > >not better, > >and the other material... Doesn't impress me. > >Slightly changed? > >Turn up your hearing aid. > >While the voiceover beginning by Professor Motta and about 50% of Cherokee >Lane and 50% of Monolight as performed as the April 4 77 show (Washington, >DC Lisner Auditorium at George Washington, University) appear on Encore, >there is an ~hour of unreleased improvised music here. Encore is a >combination of studio work, the 4.4.77 show, and some stuff borrowed from >the Oedipus Tyrannus soundtrack. > >-Morgan Erm. I don't think you really can call Encore a studio _creation_. Monolight is almost identical (at least 90%) to 4.4.77. Cherokee Lane has lots of common live themes, and Coldwater Canyon does indeed sound like that it could've been live at least to some portion. I bet that there are other live resources too, but they are not necessarily on any known fantape. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Sun May 12, 2002 1:45 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Encore In a message dated 5/12/2002 8:37:56 AM Central Daylight Time, johnvertical@h... writes: > . Encore is a > >combination of studio work, the 4.4.77 show, and some stuff borrowed from > >the Oedipus Tyrannus soundtrack. > > > >-Morgan > > > Erm. I don't think you really can call Encore a studio _creation_. *He didn't, he said parts of it were, which is correct....Cherokee Lane is known to be a studio piece. I suspect that there was some of the same splicing techniques they used on Ricochet where small bits from several shows were linked together. Encore for me will always be one of the greats... I remember getting it when it first came out and being blown away by it's sheer immensity and journeying qualities. Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33841 Re: Encore Dennis Nigbur Mon 5/13/2002 5 KB 33863 Re: Encore richter_arne Tue 5/14/2002 3 KB 33866 Re: Encore mars103nl Tue 5/14/2002 4 KB From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Sun May 12, 2002 1:54 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] The Most Beautiful Rock for Poland I had been wondering if the pre-concert music was another Ambient Monkeys type of thing... > -----Original Message----- > From: Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz [mailto:Jerry@t...] > Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 2:19 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [tadream] The Most Beautiful Rock for Poland > > > There are also 2CDR and 4CDR sets. > The first one is a desk recording, the second one is an audience DAT > recording with additional sound recording of the press conference a day > before and the pre-concert music taken from the pressed CD. > > Jarek 'Jerry' > mailto:jerry@t... > Visit my website at: > http://www.tangerinedream.pl/ > > > > > Im lucky enough to have the 'Rock forr Peace' on 3 > > CDRs. Apart from the very long quiet spell at the > > beginning before the show starts, am i to take it that > > the Tree version is going to be better or ???????? > > Chris > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33834 Re: The Most Beautiful Rock for Poland Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz Sun 5/12/2002 2 KB From: Morgan Feldon Date: Sun May 12, 2002 2:59 pm Subject: Encore It's always interesting when someone says 'Oh, it is a live version, it's probably just taped at a show for which there is no bootleg.' It's pretty hard to combat that one except to say that Coldwater Canyon must've been from one hell of a show for which we have no bootleg for. And Desert Dream is totally uncharacteristic of concerts they played in 1977. And the fact is, quite a few of the passages in it have been lifted directly from their 1974.08.18 Chichester, England (Oedipus Tyrannus) concert. I think Poly meant to say Coldwater Canyon in the last message. Cherokee Lane and Monolight on Encore fairly closely match the 4.4.77 show for minutes at a time. I've done side-by-side comparisons and then checked, say, the Montreal 10.4.77 show. But I would not pin the percentage at 90%. -Morgan P.S. Don't be fooled by pasted applause. The applause on Sohoman, Soundmill Navigator, Inferno, the Dominion encore on Logos, etc. etc. (not to mention Livemiles) are all great works of fiction. From: 'Admin' Date: Sun May 12, 2002 3:24 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Encore '..are all great works of fiction.' I think you summed it up. A few thoughts. When it is played, does it make it live? If the CD was played in the area given for the concert, would that make it more real? What number of listeners does it take to make a concert? Just some crazy thoughts. rrrr rrrrrrrrrrr ;-) dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Morgan Feldon' To: Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 7:59 AM Subject: [tadream] Encore > It's always interesting when someone says 'Oh, it is a live version, it's > probably just taped at a show for which there is no bootleg.' > > It's pretty hard to combat that one except to say that Coldwater Canyon > must've been from one hell of a show for which we have no bootleg for. > > And Desert Dream is totally uncharacteristic of concerts they played in > 1977. And the fact is, quite a few of the passages in it have been lifted > directly from their 1974.08.18 Chichester, England (Oedipus Tyrannus) concert. > > I think Poly meant to say Coldwater Canyon in the last message. > > Cherokee Lane and Monolight on Encore fairly closely match the 4.4.77 show > for minutes at a time. I've done side-by-side comparisons and then checked, > say, the Montreal 10.4.77 show. But I would not pin the percentage at 90%. > > -Morgan > > P.S. Don't be fooled by pasted applause. The applause on Sohoman, Soundmill > Navigator, Inferno, the Dominion encore on Logos, etc. etc. (not to mention > Livemiles) are all great works of fiction. From: 'Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz' Date: Sun May 12, 2002 3:54 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] The Most Beautiful Rock for Poland > I had been wondering if the pre-concert music was another > Ambient Monkeys > type of thing... This is not a TD music. It contains some natural ambient sounds with non-rhythmic background music. I don't know the performer. The disc was attached to the polish newspaper just as advertising. cheers Jarek 'Jerry' mailto:jerry@t... Visit my website at: http://www.tangerinedream.pl/ From: 'fozziebear' Date: Sun May 12, 2002 5:46 pm Subject: Inferno I guess that when the final part of the trilogy is released we will be offered a boxed set or some other special. David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Sun May 12, 2002 6:49 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Encore In a message dated 5/12/2002 10:03:12 AM Central Daylight Time, feldon@f... writes: > I think Poly meant to say Coldwater Canyon in the last message. > Yeah I did, thanks. Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Admin' Date: Sun May 12, 2002 7:32 pm Subject: Dream Watcher Tails III (The Begining Post) Ok I don't see much action happening with DWTIII. Are we all too busy to begin this? Here is a outline Interested parties 1. Need volunteers who will become Branches. 2. Need those who wish to be receivers (leafs) Who will be on this set? 1. Need those who wish to apply to get their music on it. 2. Need those who can help coordinate it. 3. How many disks? I would like to see it expanded from two to three! What is the theme? Let begin sorting this out. Who has finial say? Let get this worked out. Who is going to do the art work? Hey with all the great covers I seen, I would find it very hard to believe we will have a problem getting art work. Copywrites? Let keep this legit! Who is going to Master it? I bet one of our great studio/professional engineers with us can help make this happen. What else did I leave out? Well let get the ball rolling and figure it out now. DEAD LINE AUGUST 2002 to start off with. Email off post if you wish to flame me. If you got something to offer in the way to get this rolling, by all means mail me. I am counting on Joe to help with the database online. (hehehe I didn't tell you that did I?) Alright, I hit the ball. Who is going to return it? Dale Don't tell me I am crazy. I know this. .-) thats me good eye... rrrr r r r r rrr [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33846 Re: Dream Watcher Tails III (The Begining Post) j.gordon Mon 5/13/2002 3 KB 33848 Re: Dream Watcher Tails III (The Begining Post) Gustavo Jobim Mon 5/13/2002 2 KB 33850 Re: Dream Watcher Tails III (The Begining Post) Admin Mon 5/13/2002 3 KB 33851 Re: Dream Watcher Tails III (The Begining Post) Admin Mon 5/13/2002 3 KB 33858 Re: Dream Watcher Tails III (The Begining Post) PERGAMON Mon 5/13/2002 4 KB 33859 Re: Dream Watcher Tails III (The Begining Post) Administrator for kay-net.com Mon 5/13/2002 5 KB From: Morgan Feldon Date: Sun May 12, 2002 7:28 pm Subject: DAT >Dale said: >A few thoughts. When it is played, does it make it live? If the CD was >played in the area given for the concert, would that make it more real? What >number of listeners does it take to make a concert? It's not a CD, it's a DAT. :) :) Really, I don't get bothered by what Edgar releases anymore, as the fantapes that are being uncovered left and right are simply incredible. I've heard samples of the next tree and again, we will be getting incredible stuff. Edgar will have only himself to blame 10 years from now when he decides 'maybe I should have released boxed sets of these concerts untouched?' I also understand the motivations behind various editing of CDs. Logos would probably have been a longer CD if it had not been cut to fit on vinyl. The 3rd track of the first set and ultimately the track before Choronzon would have been nice bonus tracks. I wish Poland had had the live fall 83 versions of Warsaw in the 'Snow' as I call it but generally, it's a great document of the various 83 tours. You know, I had a thought the other day. The 11 minutes of music which Edgar invented for Soundmill Navigator (first 6 and last 5 minutes). By itself, it's actually kind of interesting. Better than 7 Letters if you ask me. -Morgan From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Sun May 12, 2002 10:21 pm Subject: Encore > I think Poly meant to say Coldwater Canyon in the last message. > Yeah I did, thanks. This is what happens when you want to reply to something while the wife is standing in the doorway tapping her watch Poly From: 'John Vertical' Date: Mon May 13, 2002 6:10 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Encore >It's always interesting when someone says 'Oh, it is a live version, it's >probably just taped at a show for which there is no bootleg.' > >It's pretty hard to combat that one except to say that Coldwater Canyon >must've been from one hell of a show for which we have no bootleg for. > >I think Poly meant to say Coldwater Canyon in the last message. I've however spotted some of its guitar themes already from my not-so-great concert collection; and it does sound like that it could possibly have been played live somewhere. At least partially... I guess I need a few more live shows to continue on this subject... John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Mon May 13, 2002 6:59 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Encore Well, here's an alternative stance on this 'Is it Live?' business: Tangerine Dream's concerts were very different from mainstream rock/pop concerts ever since the band existed. In the very early years, concerts were entirely improvised, often with little or no source of motifs to draw from. Later on, concerts were improvised with some citations or whole pieces from released material thrown in. During all this time, releasing a concert uncut and unedited would have been impossible. In the first case of wholly improvised concerts, to take such a step would have been meaningless. For each tour, there would be scores of concerts, many of them very different to each other, and all of them varying greatly in quality. TD merely took the most sensible of actions and spliced together the most interesting bits of music in a recording that managed to capture the highlights of their live work in an 'impressions of the tour' format. In the second case, releasing a concert uncut and unedited would have been impossible or at least unwise for other reasons. Rätikon is a great concert, but identical in many ways to White Eagle, which had not been released yet. Logos included some great new material, but also quoted extensively from White Eagle and Exit. By the time of Livemiles, the band were playing back whole songs, but nevertheless some of them had been previously unreleased. It might have been feasible to release these whole concerts (barring copyright issues, which I'm not too clued up on), but TD judged it more interesting (and rightly so) to release the new material unadulterated by quotes from already- released albums, so they continued to produce edited versions and did a very good job. Most recently, TD have been giving renditions during their concerts of their now-extensive back catalogue, with little or no new material being played. And only in this set-up does it make sense to release an uncut and unedited 'Live' album in the more traditional sense of being on- stage versions of familiar material. In other words, why should it be a problem that Ricochet, Encore, Logos, Poland, Livemiles and even 220 Volt are not strictly 'live', whilst Valentine Wheels and Tournado are? TD were simply using the editing strategies throughout that were appropriate to their live work at the time. Dennis On 12 May 2002 at 9:45, Synthhtnys@a... wrote: > In a message dated 5/12/2002 8:37:56 AM Central Daylight Time, > johnvertical@h... writes: > > > > . Encore is a > > >combination of studio work, the 4.4.77 show, and some stuff > > >borrowed from the Oedipus Tyrannus soundtrack. > > > > > >-Morgan > > > > > > Erm. I don't think you really can call Encore a studio _creation_. > > *He didn't, he said parts of it were, which is correct....Cherokee > Lane is known to be a studio piece. I suspect that there was some of > the same splicing techniques they used on Ricochet where small bits > from several shows were linked together. Encore for me will always be > one of the greats... I remember getting it when it first came out and > being blown away by it's sheer immensity and journeying qualities. > Poly > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33863 Re: Encore richter_arne Tue 5/14/2002 3 KB 33866 Re: Encore mars103nl Tue 5/14/2002 4 KB From: 'j.gordon' Date: Mon May 13, 2002 7:15 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Tree #2 > Inferno is a 1 person opera plus Edgar and Jerome playing orchestra, hardly > EM music. > > -Morgan i assume you meant this as a metaphor as opposed to be an accurate description... nothing about inferno is operatic, in the classical sense... if you want to talk about the more modern operas written by p.glass, then, MAYBE, if you stttttrrrreeeetccchhhhh, it could be a comparison.... costumes, a greek chorus and synth pads do not an opera make... i do agree however, that this is hardly em... more like what became terribly popluar in the late 80's, early 90's with the boom of labels like narada... only narada did it with acoutic instruments and it sounded real... to me, inferno, even when i was there listening, sounded a lot like the 'new age' stuff they were so erroneously catagorized with 10 years ago and before... jerome __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From: chris towers Date: Mon May 13, 2002 8:34 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Ambient Monkeys Yes, i think it was used for the whole tour of that year. I saw them at the Shepherds Bush Empire and it was the same then with the music available on CD (i got the last one) :-) Listening to it on its own i find it quite an nice relaxing album.... Chris --- fozziebear wrote: > Glenn said: Hey, I bought Ambient Monkeys at a > record fair today. Havent > played it yet but the liner notes say it's a > pre-concert 'warm up' material > from one of their tours. Is that the story behind > this release? > > Yes. They played it before the show I saw them at > Bristol on their last UK > tour, 97. When I got into the Hall the music was > already playing. You > could tell it was TD stuff. The CD was for sale at > the show as was Dream > Mixes and the Keep. I bought Dream Mixes. > Guess I bought the wrong > one, huh? > > Ambient Monkeys sounds to me like some existing > tracks woven together with > rainforest noises in a mix that doesn't always work. > > David > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33856 Re: Ambient Monkeys convention24 Mon 5/13/2002 4 KB From: chris towers Date: Mon May 13, 2002 8:38 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Most Beautiful... I have to be honest and say i didnt attend the 'rock for peace', i really wish i could have got there, but as far as ive seen, my trip to Osnabrueck for Mars Polaris was far the best for me..... Chris --- Morgan Feldon wrote: > > >Mark Filipak said: > >Is this the greatest TD show ever? I know that it > is an outrageous thing > >to ask considering how many truely great shows TD > has presented, but I > >have to say that 'The Most Beautiful Rock for > Peace' just may get my vote > >as THE GREATEST TANGERINE DREAM CONCERT OF ALL > TIME!! > > It might be the greatest DAT ever mimed to. > :rolleyes: > > -Morgan > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From: GKNARFAPPAZ@a... Date: Mon May 13, 2002 9:33 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Ambient Monkeys In a message dated 13/05/02 09:34:43 GMT Daylight Time, cjt999fire2000@y... writes: > Yes, i think it was used for the whole tour of that > year. I saw them at the Shepherds Bush Empire and it > was the same then with the music available on CD It was used on the whole of that tour. I saw them in Manchester and bought the C.D in the interval before Tangerine Dream came on. I love it to chill out to but I know there are many that can't stand it. Derek [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33847 Re: Ambient Monkeys chris towers Mon 5/13/2002 3 KB From: 'j.gordon' Date: Mon May 13, 2002 10:28 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Dream Watcher Tails III (The Begining Post) my perspective is this should be co-ordinated with yannick, as he has been the man behind the last two DWT and done an outstanding job of getting everyone together to do their parts... i would agree, though, that the idea of a get together brainstorm as far as the name and theme would be great... concerning expanding from two to three disks, you might want to find out if there is enough material for three... i somehow have the impression that there wasn't enough for two full ones on DWT, though i might be mistaken... in this vein, we might want to ask contributors if they have more than one track to submit... DWT II sees three submissions each from Darklion and Olyam, one solo piece and two collaborations... i also like the idea of asking for art submissions... the art so far has been great and think it would be cool to see what else is available... $.02 lighter jerome __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33848 Re: Dream Watcher Tails III (The Begining Post) Gustavo Jobim Mon 5/13/2002 2 KB From: chris towers Date: Mon May 13, 2002 10:46 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Ambient Monkeys Yeah i agree. I cant say its something you can rave about to other TD fans or maybe to introduce someone to TD but certainly a chill out experience for me.... Chris --- GKNARFAPPAZ@a... wrote: > In a message dated 13/05/02 09:34:43 GMT Daylight > Time, > cjt999fire2000@y... writes: > > > > Yes, i think it was used for the whole tour of > that > > year. I saw them at the Shepherds Bush Empire and > it > > was the same then with the music available on CD > > It was used on the whole of that tour. I saw them in > Manchester and bought > the C.D in the interval before Tangerine Dream came > on. > I love it to chill out to but I know there are many > that can't stand it. > Derek > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Mon May 13, 2002 6:30 pm Subject: Re: Dream Watcher Tails III (The Begining Post) Well, in DWT 1, several tracks were left out of the double CD, and some were shortened. I guess the same happened in DWT 2. So I think there could be enough material for three CDs in DWT 3. Personally I would prefer keeping it a 2CD collection, though. 2 CDs and 20+ tracks is a lot of stuff already. Only if there were tracks longer than 15 minutes... j.gordon wrote: > concerning expanding from two to three disks, you might want to find out if > there is enough material for three... i somehow have the impression that there > wasn't enough for two full ones on DWT, though i might be mistaken... Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Mon May 13, 2002 11:41 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Ambient Monkeys In light of the discussion on A.M. I popped it on while I was puttering around the house and although I remembered there was a considerable amount of already released music on there I noticed that there was also quite a bit of ambient sounds from TD albums... The Wolf sounds are remarkably close to the ones on Force Majuere and I noticed some other natural sounds from Underwater Sunlight... I wonder if these are from original field recordings previously used by the band? Poly From: 'Admin' Date: Mon May 13, 2002 1:08 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Dream Watcher Tails III (The Begining Post) YES All excellent ideas and thoughts. Yannick are you out there? Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'j.gordon' To: Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 3:28 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Dream Watcher Tails III (The Begining Post) > my perspective is this should be co-ordinated with yannick, as he has been the > man behind the last two DWT and done an outstanding job of getting everyone > together to do their parts... > > i would agree, though, that the idea of a get together brainstorm as far as the > name and theme would be great... > > concerning expanding from two to three disks, you might want to find out if > there is enough material for three... i somehow have the impression that there > wasn't enough for two full ones on DWT, though i might be mistaken... > > in this vein, we might want to ask contributors if they have more than one > track to submit... DWT II sees three submissions each from Darklion and Olyam, > one solo piece and two collaborations... > > i also like the idea of asking for art submissions... the art so far has been > great and think it would be cool to see what else is available... > > $.02 lighter > > jerome From: 'Admin' Date: Mon May 13, 2002 1:14 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Dream Watcher Tails III (The Begining Post) I think time should not be a factor on the tracks. I remember reading about some tracks being left off as well. Why stop at 3, maybe there is enough for 4? We wont know till we start getting material or at least a post saying 'I am submitting material, it is 1 track, 15 minutes or 2 tracks 3 minutes' ... etc. Both DWT are very good. I think the members here have a great amount of talent. I am sure they can also 'Tangetize' a few tracks here and there if they wish to follow the TD tradition. In fact why not have this theme 'Tangetize'. In jest but perhaps a serious thought too. The wheels must turn. I am just oiling them a bit. Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Gustavo Jobim' To: Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 4:30 AM Subject: [tadream] Re: Dream Watcher Tails III (The Begining Post) > Well, in DWT 1, several tracks were left out of the double CD, and some were > shortened. I guess the same happened in DWT 2. So I think there could be > enough material for three CDs in DWT 3. Personally I would prefer keeping it > a 2CD collection, though. 2 CDs and 20+ tracks is a lot of stuff already. > Only if there were tracks longer than 15 minutes... > > j.gordon wrote: > > concerning expanding from two to three disks, you might want to find out if > > there is enough material for three... i somehow have the impression that there > > wasn't enough for two full ones on DWT, though i might be mistaken... > > Gustavo Jobim > gustavojobim@n... > From: Szatmari Pal Date: Mon May 13, 2002 1:32 pm Subject: Re[2]: [tadream] The Most Beautiful Rock for Poland I think it was kind of a tribute for Edgar to play a few 'Poland' tracks. I myself was sure in Edgar&Jerome Co. picking The Spirit of the Czar (i.e. 'Poland' first track Dream-mixed) as opening track for Most Beautiful Rock for Peace. Well, I was almost right, because following the Firestarter intro, there came the Czar... BTW the guitar supporting the sequence was cool! Pal. >> >> And I'm thinking, 'What is it with Edgar? Does he just love Poland, or >> what?' JW> Yesss, I think so... And we (the Polish) love Edgar ;-) JW> Jarek 'Jerry' JW> mailto:jerry@t... JW> Visit my website at: JW> http://www.tangerinedream.pl/ From: Morgan Feldon Date: Mon May 13, 2002 3:27 pm Subject: Dennis >In other words, why should it be a problem that Ricochet, Encore, >Logos, Poland, Livemiles and even 220 Volt are not strictly 'live', whilst >Valentine Wheels and Tournado are? TD were simply using the editing >strategies throughout that were appropriate to their live work at the >time. > >Dennis To say that releasing, say, the February 9th 1976 Brussels, Belgium Johnson University show would have been 'impossible' is proposterous. As for Logos, yes, I know that Midnight in Tula, White Eagle (with some of the sounds of Das Madchen), Mojave Plan, and Choronzon were already available on Exit and White Eagle. But in the case of Choronzon, the song had changed from a boring 6 bar sequence to a great 8 bar sequence. And since TD has yet to release a definitive The Keep soundtrack, there's no reason why the 3rd and 7th sequences (at the least) of the Logos tour could not have been included. And even though Choronzon live IS very repetitive, perhaps the second half of it could have been included. There are unreleased themes here that are as strong as the other sequences that appear on the Logos disc. As for Poland, #1 for Warsaw in the Sun, they clearly weren't happy with the live version #2 they'd played Hyperborea Sphinx Lightning live (6 minutes of it) and so decided to instead create a new track Barbakane movement 1* #3 The 26 minute title track 'Poland' had to be reperformed to fit on a 24 minute vinyl album side. #4 Rarebird was shortened #5 The Logos 'coda' ending was shaved off, as were 2 other encores. *Barbakane consists of movement 1, Warsaw in the Sun (which was played live but much different), and then movement 3 which ends with waves crashing (which was played live). As for Livemiles, our complaint has always been the labeling/packaging. Nothing on the first half of Livemiles was EVER heard live until 1988. And as for the second half, it's bits and pieces which have been remixed and rebalanced, and Dolphin Dance has been, at best, neutered. And as for Encore, the fact of the matter is, there's at LEAST one or two more CDs worth of 1977 tour material worth releasing. Dennis, you're running a surprisingly strong defense for Edgar. Are you sure this is a good place to be? :) -Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33854 Re: Dennis Gustavo Jobim Mon 5/13/2002 2 KB 33855 Re: Dennis Dan Downey Mon 5/13/2002 3 KB 33861 Re: Morgan and Dennis's little discussion group! Dennis Nigbur Tue 5/14/2002 7 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Mon May 13, 2002 11:08 pm Subject: Re: Dennis Morgan wrote: > #3 The 26 minute title track 'Poland' had to be reperformed to fit on a 24 minute vinyl album side. Now that I don't understand, if Schulze's Timewind, almost 10 years older, is made of one 30 minute track and another almost as long. Did vinyl have different formats or what? Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33855 Re: Dennis Dan Downey Mon 5/13/2002 3 KB From: Dan Downey Date: Mon May 13, 2002 4:47 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Dennis From a rather dim recollection I believe that 22 minutes was deterimined to be the optimum time limit for a 33rpm LP. I have a couple of LPs that squeeze close to 40 minutes on a side, not unusual for bootlegs. --- Gustavo Jobim wrote: > Morgan wrote: > > #3 The 26 minute title track 'Poland' had to be > reperformed to fit on a 24 minute vinyl album side. > > Now that I don't understand, if Schulze's Timewind, > almost 10 years older, > is made of one 30 minute track and another almost as > long. Did vinyl have > different formats or what? > > Gustavo Jobim > gustavojobim@n... > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ===== DanD - aka DJAmbient www.dtbits.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From: 'convention24' Date: Mon May 13, 2002 5:11 pm Subject: Re: Ambient Monkeys --- In tadream@y..., chris towers wrote: > Yes, i think it was used for the whole tour of that > year. I saw them at the Shepherds Bush Empire and it > was the same then with the music available on CD (i > got the last one) :-) > > Listening to it on its own i find it quite an nice > relaxing album.... > > Chris > > --- fozziebear > wrote: > > Glenn said: Hey, I bought Ambient Monkeys at a > > record fair today. Havent > > played it yet but the liner notes say it's a > > pre-concert 'warm up' material > > from one of their tours. Is that the story behind > > this release? The ambient monkeys material was definately played at the Bristol Colsten Hall gig of 29,10,97 before the concert itself,i remember that concert most vividly,and i didnt buy the Keep at the time either, must of been the thrill of seeing them after an abscence of 7 years. Best regards CJ > > > > Yes. They played it before the show I saw them at > > Bristol on their last UK > > tour, 97. When I got into the Hall the music was > > already playing. You > > could tell it was TD stuff. The CD was for sale at > > the show as was Dream > > Mixes and the Keep. I bought Dream Mixes. > > Guess I bought the wrong > > one, huh? > > > > Ambient Monkeys sounds to me like some existing > > tracks woven together with > > rainforest noises in a mix that doesn't always work. > > > > David > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: > > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@y... > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience > http://launch.yahoo.com From: 'fozziebear' Date: Mon May 13, 2002 6:14 pm Subject: editing strategies Whether Livemiles was performed live or performed at the appropriate time or not I care not. It's a great album. I tune out the intros on that and all the other 'live albums' and enjoy the music for what it is. But with the Tree we do have an opportunity to hear shows as the fans recorded them. And I didn't think I would see the day when we would have good quality, almost sanctioned CD's of the shows. Hopefully they will now be available for us and future generations of fans in a non profit way. Thanks to those who recorded, Heiko and all others who contributed or passed them on. In the words of Patti Smith - PHTP - People have the Power. Let's not knock the content David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Mon May 13, 2002 8:27 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Dream Watcher Tails III (The Begining Post) I am in for a third DWT............ I though of a project name/theme, as I saw this mail. How does this sound: Dreamwatchers Tale III: The Beginning......................?????? Theme could be the beginning of life/universe/????????? Regards Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Admin' To: Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 3:08 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Dream Watcher Tails III (The Begining Post) > YES > All excellent ideas and thoughts. > Yannick are you out there? > > Dale > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'j.gordon' > To: > Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 3:28 AM > Subject: Re: [tadream] Dream Watcher Tails III (The Begining Post) > > > > my perspective is this should be co-ordinated with yannick, as he has been > the > > man behind the last two DWT and done an outstanding job of getting > everyone > > together to do their parts... > > > > i would agree, though, that the idea of a get together brainstorm as far > as the > > name and theme would be great... > > > > concerning expanding from two to three disks, you might want to find out > if > > there is enough material for three... i somehow have the impression that > there > > wasn't enough for two full ones on DWT, though i might be mistaken... > > > > in this vein, we might want to ask contributors if they have more than one > > track to submit... DWT II sees three submissions each from Darklion and > Olyam, > > one solo piece and two collaborations... > > > > i also like the idea of asking for art submissions... the art so far has > been > > great and think it would be cool to see what else is available... > > > > $.02 lighter > > > > jerome > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Mon May 13, 2002 9:04 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Dream Watcher Tails III (The Begining Post) Good Suggestions! dale Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'PERGAMON' To: Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 1:27 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Dream Watcher Tails III (The Begining Post) > I am in for a third DWT............ > > I though of a project name/theme, as I saw this mail. How does this sound: > > Dreamwatchers Tale III: The Beginning......................?????? > > Theme could be the beginning of life/universe/????????? > > Regards > Jan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Admin' > To: > Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 3:08 PM > Subject: Re: [tadream] Dream Watcher Tails III (The Begining Post) > > > > YES > > All excellent ideas and thoughts. > > Yannick are you out there? > > > > Dale > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: 'j.gordon' > > To: > > Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 3:28 AM > > Subject: Re: [tadream] Dream Watcher Tails III (The Begining Post) > > > > > > > my perspective is this should be co-ordinated with yannick, as he has been > > the > > > man behind the last two DWT and done an outstanding job of getting > > everyone > > > together to do their parts... > > > > > > i would agree, though, that the idea of a get together brainstorm as far > > as the > > > name and theme would be great... > > > > > > concerning expanding from two to three disks, you might want to find out > > if > > > there is enough material for three... i somehow have the impression that > > there > > > wasn't enough for two full ones on DWT, though i might be mistaken... > > > > > > in this vein, we might want to ask contributors if they have more than one > > > track to submit... DWT II sees three submissions each from Darklion and > > Olyam, > > > one solo piece and two collaborations... > > > > > > i also like the idea of asking for art submissions... the art so far has > > been > > > great and think it would be cool to see what else is available... > > > > > > $.02 lighter > > > > > > jerome > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Dave Brewer' Date: Tue May 14, 2002 12:24 am Subject: Franke Tenchi Reissue Hi everyone, I hope this isn't old news... I apologize if it is. Anyway, this will be of interest to some people, especially those who collect all the variations of releases. :-) I found a new rerelease of Franke's Tenchi Muyo in Love soundtrack today at Best Buy and picked it up. It's got a 2002 date on it, so it can't be that old... But it's got completely new artwork, says it's remastered (why would they have to do that??) and has a couple of extra tracks on it. I'm a big fan of the Tenchi Muyo series, but I didn't pick this soundtrack up way back when because I'm not a big fan of Franke's soundtrack work. I finally got the DVD of this movie last year and saw the movie all the way through and actually liked a lot of the music. But honestly, I still like the music from the original Tenchi Muyo OVA series the best, but I digress... There's some decent liner notes on the inside including a Franke bio with all the usual blah-blah we know about him. But the very last line has got me excited and I quote: 'He is currently working on his own new solo album in the genre of ambient-world and technotrance.' So he's finally going to put out a new electronic album?? Yay!!! Hopefully we won't have to wait too much longer. Regards, Dave B. (back to lurking...) From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Tue May 14, 2002 8:00 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Morgan and Dennis's little discussion group! Hi Morgan! > To say that releasing, say, the February 9th 1976 Brussels, Belgium > Johnson University show would have been 'impossible' is proposterous. OK, that statement was a partly deliberate over-generalisation to illustrate the way TD may have been thinking about the issue at the time. I remembered snippets from various interviews with the band members relating how the early concerts would be break-neck improvisations with only the starting key shouted out to the other musicians immediately prior to the concert. As an inevitable result of this, Edgar et al. report how they were great on some days, rubbish on others, and somewhere in between on most days. I don't think I've heard Brussels, but I trust your judgement. There are definitely some gems from that early period that could have been released 'straight off'. But there is a lot more material that merits being put on record but can do so only after substantial editing. Coventry 1975, for instance, definitely has its moments but wouldn't work anywhere near as good as an uncut live recording as the 'edited highlights' on Ricochet did in the end. > As for Logos, yes, I know that Midnight in Tula, White Eagle (with > some of the sounds of Das Madchen), Mojave Plan, and Choronzon were > already available on Exit and White Eagle. But in the case of > Choronzon, the song had changed from a boring 6 bar sequence to a > great 8 bar sequence. It's a great version. But the band apparently thought it didn't depart sufficiently from the original to include it. Sound reasoning, no matter how much you or I might disagree with the premise. > And since TD has yet to release a definitive The > Keep soundtrack, there's no reason why the 3rd and 7th sequences (at > the least) of the Logos tour could not have been included. But there was no way of telling that the Keep soundtrack would suffer such a fate in 1982. My guess would be that, when putting together the Logos music for the official release, they were hoping that the Keep music would see the light of day sometime soon and thus decided to leave it out. Keeping live work with live work and soundtrack music with soundtrack music appears to be a reasonable strategy to me. > As for Livemiles, our complaint has always been the > labeling/packaging. Nothing on the first half of Livemiles was EVER > heard live until 1988. And as for the second half, it's bits and > pieces which have been remixed and rebalanced, and Dolphin Dance has > been, at best, neutered. I'm in no position to judge whether any of Livemiles has ever been played live, whether it is entirely a studio fabrication, whether it includes material from rehearsals and soundchecks, or whether it was a dumping ground for unreleased material. But I agree that packaging it as a live album when none of it was live isn't a defensible practice. Having said that, I agree with David that the music on Livemiles warrants buying the album, no matter whether it's live or not. The take on 'Dolphin Dance' is my favourite version of the track. > And as for Encore, the fact of the matter is, there's at LEAST one or > two more CDs worth of 1977 tour material worth releasing. Just don't let it be the material from 'Acoustic LSD' (groan). I'm not disputing that there might be a lot more music from that period that would be of a high enough quality to be released. But in pre-TDI times, releasing just a single live album was probably the most appropriate thing to do. With the recent profligation of releases from TDI, maybe we'll see some more 1977 classics soon. > Dennis, you're running a surprisingly strong defense for Edgar. Are > you sure this is a good place to be? :) I don't mean to defend Edgar personally in any way. While I'd agree with you that the morals of calling Livemiles Pt. 1 'live' (accepting for the sake of argument that it wasn't) are somewhat dubious, I'd still argue, though, that there's nothing wrong with the editing strategies TD have employed over the years. If your concerts involve long improvisations of varying quality, editing the highlights into an amazing record like Ricochet is a commendable art in itself. If your concerts include fresh material along with snippets of music released (or to be released) elsewhere, then it makes sense to preserve the integrity of the new release by leaving those bits out. If your concerts consist of live renditions and alternative versions of existing material, you're in a position to release them unedited with some justification. I'm not disputing for a moment that there are still tons of material out there which would be worthy of an official release. But given the masses of music created by TD over the years, it is unlikely that all of it ever will get released, and there should be no obligation for that to happen. Of TD's countless recordings, the live ones (whether this is to be taken literally or not) have always been some of the best parts of the oeuvre for me. In my view, this proves TD's editing and release strategies to be sound. Dennis [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Armin Theissen Date: Tue May 14, 2002 8:25 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Ambient Monkeys it was played in Bonn, too. Can't remember Glasgow. I did buy all CDs I could get, including one of the last copies of Quinoa (the b/w cover VOLT release). And, of course, The Keep. > > > Glenn said: Hey, I bought Ambient Monkeys at a > > > record fair today. Havent > > > played it yet but the liner notes say it's a > > > pre-concert 'warm up' material > > > from one of their tours. Is that the story behind > > > this release? > The ambient monkeys material was definately played at the Bristol > Colsten Hall gig of 29,10,97 before the concert itself,i remember > that concert most vividly,and i didnt buy the Keep at the time either, > must of been the thrill of seeing them after an abscence of 7 years. > Best regards CJ > > > > > > Yes. They played it before the show I saw them at > > > Bristol on their last UK > > > tour, 97. When I got into the Hall the music was > > > already playing. You > > > could tell it was TD stuff. The CD was for sale at > > > the show as was Dream > > > Mixes and the Keep. I bought Dream Mixes. > > > Guess I bought the wrong > > > one, huh? > > > > > > Ambient Monkeys sounds to me like some existing > > > tracks woven together with > > > rainforest noises in a mix that doesn't always work. > > > > > > David > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > To unsubscribe: > > > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@y... > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience > > http://launch.yahoo.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33868 Re: Ambient Monkeys chris towers Tue 5/14/2002 5 KB From: 'richter_arne' Date: Tue May 14, 2002 8:54 am Subject: Re: Encore --- In tadream@y..., 'Dennis Nigbur' wrote: > TD merely took the most sensible > of actions and spliced together the most interesting bits of music in a > recording that managed to capture the highlights of their live work in an > 'impressions of the tour' format. This is true for Ricochet, but not for Encore. How does adding studio Material from 1974 (Oedipus Tyrannus ST) to a 1977 tour album make for a good 'impressions of the tour' format? Even the studio track Coldwater Canyon does not 'capture the highlights of their live work'. The same is true for the studio track 'Quichotte 2' on Pergamon. > In other words, why should it be a problem that Ricochet, Encore, > Logos, Poland, Livemiles and even 220 Volt are not strictly 'live', Well, if more than 50% of the music on a 'live' album is recorded in a studio, as is the case with at least 3 albums (Encore, Pergamon and Livemiles), then the problem is simply that the term live is very misleading. On the other hand we have to all thank Edgar - at least this way we received some great music that otherwise would never have seen the light of day. If Edgar had decided to release Encore as 100% live, then there would be no Coldwater Canyon and no Desert Dream, and we would similarly not have the fantastic Quichotte 2 and all the great tracks from 'Studiomiles'. We can still listen to the live concerts via the Tape Tree, so we get the best of both. Arne Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33866 Re: Encore mars103nl Tue 5/14/2002 4 KB From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Tue May 14, 2002 9:09 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Encore In a message dated 5/14/2002 3:55:14 AM Central Daylight Time, arne.richter@g... writes: > On the other hand we have to all thank Edgar - at least this way we > received some great music that otherwise would never have seen the > light of day. If Edgar had decided to release Encore as 100% live, > then there would be no Coldwater Canyon and no Desert Dream, and we > would similarly not have the fantastic Quichotte 2 and all the great > tracks from 'Studiomiles'. We can still listen to the live concerts > via the Tape Tree, so we get the best of both. > > Arne > *This sums things up nicely. I still love Encore, though owning several boots from the '76 period (which is a fantastic one) I think there are several sections that could have been lifted and turned into another double set at least of original live music. It must be remembered that in the '70's it was VERY common practice to release 'Live' albums that were predominately studo creations. Wings and Thin Lizzy live spring to mind as examples of almost entirely studio created live albums. Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Phil White' Date: Tue May 14, 2002 9:13 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Ambient Monkeys It was also played at the Wolverhampton Civic Gig. The Persistence of memory eh ? From: 'mars103nl' Date: Tue May 14, 2002 9:21 am Subject: Re: Encore --- In tadream@y..., 'richter_arne' wrote: > > > 'impressions of the tour' format. > > This is true for Ricochet, but not for Encore. How does adding studio > Material from 1974 (Oedipus Tyrannus ST) to a 1977 tour album make > for a good 'impressions of the tour' format? Even the studio track > Coldwater Canyon does not 'capture the highlights of their live > work'. The same is true for the studio track 'Quichotte 2' on > Pergamon. While I like Ricochet very much, it is definitely not an impression of the tour imo. I like the 74/75 music of TD, maybe even more then 77 and have quite some recordings of that period. Let's just say Ricochet isn't like any of those recordings, only a few sequence-parts of Croydon. Just listen to Coefficient and you get a good feel of the 74/75 concerts. IMO one of the best concerts TD ever did. An artist can do whatever they want with a recording/concert and don't have to listen to anyone but themselves and thats what Edgar/TD did. I also wish some of the complete concerts were released as they were played but it's not up to us. Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... > > In other words, why should it be a problem that Ricochet, Encore, > > Logos, Poland, Livemiles and even 220 Volt are not strictly 'live', > > Well, if more than 50% of the music on a 'live' album is recorded in > a studio, as is the case with at least 3 albums (Encore, Pergamon and > Livemiles), then the problem is simply that the term live is very > misleading. > > On the other hand we have to all thank Edgar - at least this way we > received some great music that otherwise would never have seen the > light of day. If Edgar had decided to release Encore as 100% live, > then there would be no Coldwater Canyon and no Desert Dream, and we > would similarly not have the fantastic Quichotte 2 and all the great > tracks from 'Studiomiles'. We can still listen to the live concerts > via the Tape Tree, so we get the best of both. > > Arne From: 'John Vertical' Date: Tue May 14, 2002 2:28 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Encore > > On the other hand we have to all thank Edgar - at least this way we > > received some great music that otherwise would never have seen the > > light of day. If Edgar had decided to release Encore as 100% live, > > then there would be no Coldwater Canyon and no Desert Dream, and we > > would similarly not have the fantastic Quichotte 2 and all the great > > tracks from 'Studiomiles'. We can still listen to the live concerts > > via the Tape Tree, so we get the best of both. > > > > Arne > > > >*This sums things up nicely. I still love Encore, though owning several >boots >from the '76 period (which is a fantastic one) I think there are several >sections that could have been lifted and turned into another double set at >least of original live music. It must be remembered that in the '70's it >was >VERY common practice to release 'Live' albums that were predominately studo >creations. Wings and Thin Lizzy live spring to mind as examples of almost >entirely studio created live albums. >Poly By the way, may I ask why does everyone _still_ want Edgar to release those concerts untouched? Isn't our Tangerine Tree already doing that, and for *free*? I understand that in the case of the pre-77 (or was the Cyclone tour material also improvised?) no-fantape-known concerts, but frankly... Like Arne said, then we would lack a whole lot of pieces. I too love many of these studio sections; the Livemiles version of Dolphin Dance, most of Desert Dream, Quichotte Part 2, Barbakane Part 1, the ricochet section of Ricochet Part 2 (I don't know for sure if it's studio, but that'd be most probable), most additions on SndMillNav. and the beginning & end of Coldwater Canyon are all brilliant. Further on the case of the latter, I still cease to believe that it is strictly&completely a studio creation. If it is, then why it is so ... monotonic when compared to the other 3 pieces? The closest studio creation to compare with would be Stratosfear, and thematically this is almost three times more persistent than Str. But anyway, as there's more live than studio material from the 70s, getting studio-'live' tracks instead of pure live tracks, gives a better percentage between studio & live. Say, would you rather take three studio album, two live albums and six unique fantapes, or five studio albums (incl. two 'live') and eight unique fantapes? I guess that you all would want studio material too, not just live recordings. After all, studio work has its good sides too, so getting that and live in even quantities is better. Analogically, if you think that actual albums and soundtracks are equal, you don't start collecting only other - you want to get some of both. (I hope you understood?) And one last case of false live advertizing... The SBM version of Exit claims too to be live, but I guess this it's so obvious that no-one should ever be fooled by this. John Vertical np: Silver Scale _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33902 Re: Encore richter_arne Wed 5/15/2002 3 KB From: chris towers Date: Tue May 14, 2002 2:54 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Ambient Monkeys I also have the origional Quinoa release on Volt records. It was sent to me from TD as part of the Fan Club when it was still going. Thought i was a special person when i had this Limited Edition Copy, however not so limited with the presence of Copying Equipment these days.....:-) Chris --- Armin Theissen wrote: > > it was played in Bonn, too. Can't remember Glasgow. > I did buy all CDs I could get, including one of the > last copies of Quinoa (the b/w cover VOLT release). > And, of course, The Keep. > > > > > > Glenn said: Hey, I bought Ambient Monkeys at > a > > > > record fair today. Havent > > > > played it yet but the liner notes say it's a > > > > pre-concert 'warm up' material > > > > from one of their tours. Is that the story > behind > > > > this release? > > The ambient monkeys material was definately played > at the Bristol > > Colsten Hall gig of 29,10,97 before the concert > itself,i remember > > that concert most vividly,and i didnt buy the Keep > at the time either, > > must of been the thrill of seeing them after an > abscence of 7 years. > > Best regards CJ > > > > > > > > Yes. They played it before the show I saw > them at > > > > Bristol on their last UK > > > > tour, 97. When I got into the Hall the music > was > > > > already playing. You > > > > could tell it was TD stuff. The CD was for > sale at > > > > the show as was Dream > > > > Mixes and the Keep. I bought Dream Mixes. > > > > > Guess I bought the wrong > > > > one, huh? > > > > > > > > Ambient Monkeys sounds to me like some > existing > > > > tracks woven together with > > > > rainforest noises in a mix that doesn't always > work. > > > > > > > > David > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > To unsubscribe: > > > > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@y... > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com > phone x19080 > SUN Microsystems Ireland > > 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal > Opposition.' > > - Woody Allen > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Tue May 14, 2002 3:29 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Morgan and Dennis's little discussion group! What if ... You did not know live was mixed or studio was mixed with live or even various other combinations was used? Bliss is what you get when you listen to the albums. If you never dug into how they where made you might not have the same thoughts. I think it is like knowing how the magic trick is done when the magician is performing, something gets left out. Mind you, I dig too. For my own reason however. I want to know how they created some of the sounds. I also practice magic a bit. I find it very interesting how much detail is to be found on every album. I just wish more of the detail on how it was made was known. Dale Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Dennis Nigbur' To: Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 1:00 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Morgan and Dennis's little discussion group! > Hi Morgan! > > > To say that releasing, say, the February 9th 1976 Brussels, Belgium > > Johnson University show would have been 'impossible' is proposterous. > > OK, that statement was a partly deliberate over-generalisation to > illustrate the way TD may have been thinking about the issue at the > time. I remembered snippets from various interviews with the band > members relating how the early concerts would be break-neck > improvisations with only the starting key shouted out to the other > musicians immediately prior to the concert. As an inevitable result of > this, Edgar et al. report how they were great on some days, rubbish on > others, and somewhere in between on most days. I don't think I've > heard Brussels, but I trust your judgement. There are definitely some > gems from that early period that could have been released 'straight > off'. But there is a lot more material that merits being put on record but > can do so only after substantial editing. Coventry 1975, for instance, > definitely has its moments but wouldn't work anywhere near as good as > an uncut live recording as the 'edited highlights' on Ricochet did in the > end. > > > As for Logos, yes, I know that Midnight in Tula, White Eagle (with > > some of the sounds of Das Madchen), Mojave Plan, and Choronzon were > > already available on Exit and White Eagle. But in the case of > > Choronzon, the song had changed from a boring 6 bar sequence to a > > great 8 bar sequence. > > It's a great version. But the band apparently thought it didn't depart > sufficiently from the original to include it. Sound reasoning, no matter > how much you or I might disagree with the premise. > > > And since TD has yet to release a definitive The > > Keep soundtrack, there's no reason why the 3rd and 7th sequences (at > > the least) of the Logos tour could not have been included. > > But there was no way of telling that the Keep soundtrack would suffer > such a fate in 1982. My guess would be that, when putting together the > Logos music for the official release, they were hoping that the Keep > music would see the light of day sometime soon and thus decided to > leave it out. Keeping live work with live work and soundtrack music with > soundtrack music appears to be a reasonable strategy to me. > > > As for Livemiles, our complaint has always been the > > labeling/packaging. Nothing on the first half of Livemiles was EVER > > heard live until 1988. And as for the second half, it's bits and > > pieces which have been remixed and rebalanced, and Dolphin Dance has > > been, at best, neutered. > > I'm in no position to judge whether any of Livemiles has ever been > played live, whether it is entirely a studio fabrication, whether it includes > material from rehearsals and soundchecks, or whether it was a > dumping ground for unreleased material. But I agree that packaging it > as a live album when none of it was live isn't a defensible practice. > > Having said that, I agree with David that the music on Livemiles > warrants buying the album, no matter whether it's live or not. The take > on 'Dolphin Dance' is my favourite version of the track. > > > And as for Encore, the fact of the matter is, there's at LEAST one or > > two more CDs worth of 1977 tour material worth releasing. > > Just don't let it be the material from 'Acoustic LSD' (groan). I'm not > disputing that there might be a lot more music from that period that > would be of a high enough quality to be released. But in pre-TDI times, > releasing just a single live album was probably the most appropriate > thing to do. With the recent profligation of releases from TDI, maybe > we'll see some more 1977 classics soon. > > > Dennis, you're running a surprisingly strong defense for Edgar. Are > > you sure this is a good place to be? :) > > I don't mean to defend Edgar personally in any way. While I'd agree > with you that the morals of calling Livemiles Pt. 1 'live' (accepting for > the sake of argument that it wasn't) are somewhat dubious, I'd still > argue, though, that there's nothing wrong with the editing strategies TD > have employed over the years. If your concerts involve long > improvisations of varying quality, editing the highlights into an amazing > record like Ricochet is a commendable art in itself. If your concerts > include fresh material along with snippets of music released (or to be > released) elsewhere, then it makes sense to preserve the integrity of > the new release by leaving those bits out. If your concerts consist of live > renditions and alternative versions of existing material, you're in a > position to release them unedited with some justification. > > I'm not disputing for a moment that there are still tons of material out > there which would be worthy of an official release. But given the > masses of music created by TD over the years, it is unlikely that all of it > ever will get released, and there should be no obligation for that to > happen. Of TD's countless recordings, the live ones (whether this is to > be taken literally or not) have always been some of the best parts of the > oeuvre for me. In my view, this proves TD's editing and release > strategies to be sound. > > Dennis > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Owens, James' Date: Tue May 14, 2002 5:32 pm Subject: New Franke solo (was: Franke Tenchi Reissue) Maybe he's been working with Paul Haslinger again, as this seems to be the route Haslinger has gone with 'Future Primative' and 'World Without Rules'. If so it would be an interesting turn, since Haslinger's 'Planetary Traveller' was so heavily influenced by Franke... James > -----Original Message----- > 'He is currently working on his own > new solo album > in the genre of ambient-world and technotrance.' So he's > finally going to > put out a new electronic album?? Yay!!! Hopefully we won't > have to wait > too much longer. > > Regards, > Dave B. (back to lurking...) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33879 Re: New Franke solo (was: Franke Tenchi Reissue) Dave Brewer Tue 5/14/2002 2 KB From: Morgan Feldon Date: Tue May 14, 2002 5:33 pm Subject: [Live or Memorex] We've been down this road many times. :) Yes, the actual Albuquerque '86 concert had much music which would later appear on albums like Lily on the Beach and Optical Race. But if you forgive me, it sounds so clinical on those discs. I much prefer listening to 1986 concert bootlegs, especially ones recorded from FM radio over these albums. As for Encore, yes, Coldwater Canyon is a nice track. And I can see your point about the Detroit march 77 show. But, there are compelling tour themes from 77 which were heard at nearly every show which are completely absent. And I have to state again, this cut and pasting of applause to tracks which were never played live is offensive. I am not saying TD cannot do studio tracks. Only that they should keep studio tracks as they are, on studio CDs. I am one of those strange creatures that is not a huge fan of Hyperborea. Well, they played Sphinx Lighting (6 min of it) at the 10.12.83 Warsaw shows. For the CD release, they completely re-recorded all the music and created a new track, Barbakane, in the vein of Hyperborea. Again, people love it. I think Livemiles is a very nice album. But it's marred by the labeling and claim. Again, I am willing to accept that Edgar released it to get out of a contract of some sort. I've pretty much given up on complaining about Edgar's practices, as it's like trying to teach a fish to sing. We have many fantapes and FM recordings, and the number of high-quality recordings is going through the roof as tapes are found in drawers, closets, and in TD diehard collections who are finally opening their doors long enough to make a dub. :) -Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33884 Re: [Live or Memorex] John Vertical Wed 5/15/2002 2 KB 33888 Re: [Live or Memorex] Armin Theissen Wed 5/15/2002 3 KB 33901 Re: [Live or Memorex] Michael A Jean Wed 5/15/2002 3 KB 33909 Re: [Live or Memorex] Administrator for kay-net.com Wed 5/15/2002 5 KB From: Morgan Feldon Date: Tue May 14, 2002 6:08 pm Subject: TD Diehards I am so glad there is a TD Diehards forum where likeminded individuals who have heard 140+ concert fantapes will accept nothing less than the best fantapes of COMPLETE shows. :) Occasionally we come here and talk on the list, but then we go back to our caves and listen to every note and nuance (and bum note) and enjoy it anyway. Albums are nice, but I've listened to them all 100x each. The concerts are where my ears can be found on any given day (when not listening to the marvelous 'Pointless Reminder', 'Quark Soup', and 'Qigong Dancing' and Dave B.'s piano montage) -Morgan From: 'Owens, James' Date: Tue May 14, 2002 6:22 pm Subject: Quichotte pt. 2 (was Re: Encore) Actually Slightly less than 50% of Pergammon is studio, as the intro ambience and closing segments of Quichotte 2 are identical to the radio broadcast version. The only change is that a much cooler 'long sequence' replaced the somewhat cheesy sounding one that was actually played at the concert (or at least on the radio broadcast of the concert...). I consider it a DEFINITE improvement, as this is one of the ROCKINEST pieces TD has ever put out. It has all the energy of the highest BPM Dream Mixes, without sacrificing any of the musical purity (guitar and synth remain the lead instruments rather than letting the drum machine do the soloing...), and that transition from guitar solo to synth solo is so smooth it's almost unreal! NOBODY but NOBODY can top the feel of this MASTERPIECE! James > -----Original Message----- > Well, if more than 50% of the music on a 'live' album is recorded in > a studio, as is the case with at least 3 albums (Encore, Pergamon and > Livemiles), then the problem is simply that the term live is very > misleading. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33882 Re: Quichotte artofvision01 Wed 5/15/2002 3 KB 33887 Re: Quichotte Dennis Nigbur Wed 5/15/2002 3 KB 33899 Re: Quichotte richter_arne Wed 5/15/2002 3 KB 33911 Re: Quichotte richter_arne Wed 5/15/2002 2 KB 33907 Re: Quichotte chris towers Wed 5/15/2002 4 KB 33900 Quichotte pt. 2 (was Re: Encore) richter_arne Wed 5/15/2002 2 KB From: 'tei waz' Date: Tue May 14, 2002 6:35 pm Subject: test--ignore hmm.... _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From: quarlie@a... Date: Tue May 14, 2002 7:59 pm Subject: Re: Exit (was 'Re: Encore') In a message dated 5/14/02 10:35:38 AM, johnvertical@h... writes: >And one last case of false live advertizing... The SBM version of Exit >claims too to be live, but I guess this it's so obvious that no-one should >ever be fooled by this. I'm pretty sure that's just an error, rather than false advertising. The SBMs are rife with such mistakes. It probably says Peter Baumann played on it, too. (I think Tangram says that.) --Daniel NP: Transatlantic - Bridge Across Forever From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Tue May 14, 2002 9:10 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Encore In a message dated 5/14/2002 9:35:47 AM Central Daylight Time, johnvertical@h... writes: > Further on the case of the latter, I still cease to believe that it is > strictly&completely a studio creation. If it is, then why it is so ... > monotonic *You sure do like that word ... ;-) when compared to the other 3 pieces? The closest studio creation > to compare with would be Stratosfear, and thematically this is almost three > times more persistent than Str. Why monotonic? Perhaps you haven't noticed that they would noodle in the same key for hours. How many key modulations were there in ANY of the albums leading up to Stratosfear? (Or for that point in Stratosfear itself?) Stratosfear certainly was the point where they whittled things down a bit thematically, but there was an awful lot of splicing tape going on to accomplish that. Maybe someone here has that interview with Chris where he mentions there were hours of recorded music they did for Stratosfear before they brought out the chopping block. Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'maggior' Date: Tue May 14, 2002 10:52 pm Subject: Mention of TD and Force Majeure in A/V Magazine Tangerine Dream and Force Majeure got a mention in Ken C. Pohlmann's column in the June 2002 issue of Sound and Vision (formerlly Stereo Review). Boy was I shocked to see this. The article is about anonymous file sharing software, like Napster, and the grey areas created regarding copyright protection. The article opens: 'True Story: I was talking to a student of mine and happened to mention and old Tangerine Dream record called Force Majeure. At the end of the album, I said, you'll hear a strikingly pleasing melody. It's a wonderful variation on 'La Folia', a snippet of music that's been recycled for centuries. First published in 1672 by Jean- Baptiste Lully (who probably lifted it from earlier composers), these 16 bars have been borrowed by countless composers, including J. S. Bach, Beethoven, Berlioz, Liszt, and Rachmaninoff. The record store across the street, I told him, probably won't have the Tangerine Dream album, but perhaps they can order it. ...' He continues on and, in the end, compares borrowing the La Folia theme with sharing music through file sharing programs. He points out that 'file sharing is a form of borrowing, though hardly a form of tribute.' I'll have to listen to FM again to see what he is talking about. I didn't realize that this melody was borrowed from a classical source. Regarding the sentiments Ken has on file sharing, please don't flame me. I mention the article only because it mentions TD and one of my favorite albums of theirs. My intent is NOT to start a discussion on the legality of sharing music over the internet. Rich Maggio Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33878 Re: Mention of TD and Force Majeure in A/V Magazi Antonio Nunes Tue 5/14/2002 3 KB 33880 Re: Mention of TD and Force Majeure in A/V Magazi Gustavo Jobim Wed 5/15/2002 2 KB From: Antonio Nunes Date: Tue May 14, 2002 11:38 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Mention of TD and Force Majeure in A/V Magazine maggior wrote: > > The article opens: > 'True Story: I was talking to a student of mine and happened to > mention and old Tangerine Dream record called Force Majeure. At the > end of the album, I said, you'll hear a strikingly pleasing melody. > It's a wonderful variation on 'La Folia', a snippet of music that's > been recycled for centuries. First published in 1672 by Jean- > Baptiste Lully (who probably lifted it from earlier composers), these > 16 bars have been borrowed by countless composers, including J. S. > Bach, Beethoven, Berlioz, Liszt, and Rachmaninoff. > (...) > I'll have to listen to FM again to see what he is talking about. I > didn't realize that this melody was borrowed from a classical source. I remember this subject from the Vangelis mailing list (yes, Vangelis borrowed this theme too :-)). A link was mentioned there, about 'La Folia'. Following that link I've just found a reference to Force Majeure! Here are the URLs: La Folia: http://people.a2000.nl/pgabler/ Reference to TD's Force Majeure, including a MIDI file of the theme: http://people.a2000.nl/pgabler/html5t.html Internet is wonderful, isn't it? :-) Antonio From: 'Dave Brewer' Date: Wed May 15, 2002 12:13 am Subject: Re: [tadream] New Franke solo (was: Franke Tenchi Reissue) James said: >Maybe he's been working with Paul Haslinger again, as this seems to be the >route Haslinger has gone with 'Future Primative' and 'World Without Rules'. > >If so it would be an interesting turn, since Haslinger's 'Planetary >Traveller' was so heavily influenced by Franke... > It would be cool if those two collaborated on an EM album! They're both due for a non-soundtrack release. But I was just imagining Franke doing some more stuff like Klemania or Metaphonic Chronicles for his new album. Dave B. From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Wed May 15, 2002 2:56 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Mention of TD and Force Majeure in A/V Magazine Wow. Then that explains why that finale always sounded so different, unique, unlike TD, to me. >'True Story: I was talking to a student of mine and happened to >mention and old Tangerine Dream record called Force Majeure. At the >end of the album, I said, you'll hear a strikingly pleasing melody. >It's a wonderful variation on 'La Folia', a snippet of music that's >been recycled for centuries. First published in 1672 by Jean- >Baptiste Lully' Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed May 15, 2002 5:20 am Subject: re: the la Folia section of Force Majeure re: the la Folia section of Force Majeure how ironic. I have always viewed the laFolia section of the song Force Majeure as the only imperfection on the entire FM album. not so much becuase it doesn't 'fit' the rest of the music - you have to get used to sudden shifts in progreessive music - but it just sounded like the old dude in the mall who plays 70's game show themes in the organ store. I think it's mostly the instrumentation I don't like really. I actually snipped that section out of my car tape recording. -----Original Message----- From: Gustavo Jobim To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Sent: 5/14/02 10:56 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Mention of TD and Force Majeure in A/V Magazine Wow. Then that explains why that finale always sounded so different, unique, unlike TD, to me. >'True Story: I was talking to a student of mine and happened to >mention and old Tangerine Dream record called Force Majeure. At the >end of the album, I said, you'll hear a strikingly pleasing melody. >It's a wonderful variation on 'La Folia', a snippet of music that's >been recycled for centuries. First published in 1672 by Jean- >Baptiste Lully' Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33894 Re: the la Folia section of Force Majeure Synthhtnys@a... Wed 5/15/2002 3 KB 33895 Re: the la Folia section of Force Majeure Armin Theissen Wed 5/15/2002 3 KB 33897 Re: the la Folia section of Force Majeure Antonio Nunes Wed 5/15/2002 2 KB 33898 Re: the la Folia section of Force Majeure Armin Theissen Wed 5/15/2002 3 KB 33904 Re: the la Folia section of Force Majeure Joe Shoults Wed 5/15/2002 2 KB 33905 Re: the la Folia section of Force Majeure Joe Shoults Wed 5/15/2002 2 KB 33923 R: [tadream] re: the la Folia section of Force Ma Alessandro Wed 5/15/2002 2 KB 33929 Re: R: [tadream] re: the la Folia section of Forc odean@m... Wed 5/15/2002 3 KB 33964 R: R: [tadream] re: the la Folia section of Force Alessandro Thu 5/16/2002 3 KB From: 'artofvision01' Date: Wed May 15, 2002 5:45 am Subject: Re: Quichotte > Actually Slightly less than 50% of Pergammon is studio, as the intro > ambience and closing segments of Quichotte 2 are identical to the >radio broadcast version. The only change is that a much cooler >'long sequence' replaced the somewhat cheesy sounding one that was >actually played at the concert (or at least on the radio broadcast >of the concert...). I consider it a DEFINITE improvement, as this >is one of the ROCKINEST pieces TD has > ever put out. > Just yesterday evening I listened to this concert after a long break and also wondered, how heavenly great it is! But the ultimate delight is the beginning piano solo. Undoubtedly, the absolute best of TD piano compositions. I have a boot of this show, as well, it's called 'Staatsgrenze West', but can't compare with Pergamon... I suppose, it's the actual material from the concert. BTW, why is the album called Pergamon while both tracks are Quichotte's? ArtOfVision NP: Time will run back Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33887 Re: Quichotte Dennis Nigbur Wed 5/15/2002 3 KB 33899 Re: Quichotte richter_arne Wed 5/15/2002 3 KB 33911 Re: Quichotte richter_arne Wed 5/15/2002 2 KB 33907 Re: Quichotte chris towers Wed 5/15/2002 4 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Wed May 15, 2002 5:53 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Encore > when compared to the other 3 pieces? The closest studio creation > > to compare with would be Stratosfear, and thematically this is almost >three > > times more persistent than Str. > >Why monotonic? Perhaps you haven't noticed that they would noodle in the >same >key for hours. How many key modulations were there in ANY of the albums >leading up to Stratosfear? (Or for that point in Stratosfear itself?) I don't think I'm able to recognize different keys - I mean that it's just a guitar solo, not much else really... Enen though most of their older studio work is basically noodling, too, this sounds less ordered noodling than other studio work. Perhaps the fact that I find this boring doesn't however make it any more live... Well, I can't say anything for sure, not being professional enough on this subject. That was simply how I felt... John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From: 'John Vertical' Date: Wed May 15, 2002 6:00 am Subject: Re: [tadream] [Live or Memorex] >Yes, the actual Albuquerque '86 concert had much music which would later >appear on albums like Lily on the Beach and Optical Race. But if you >forgive me, it sounds so clinical on those discs. I much prefer listening >to 1986 concert bootlegs, especially ones recorded from FM radio over these >albums. Waitwaitwait! I already knew (even before someone pointed out it after my review of OR) about Mothers of Rain being played in 86, thanks to the tracklists at Zebbyworld. But Lily on the Beach? There's no mention of that there... John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From: Morgan Feldon Date: Wed May 15, 2002 6:33 am Subject: [PDR 1980] >Just yesterday evening I listened to this concert after a >long break and also wondered, how heavenly great it is! >But the ultimate delight is the beginning piano solo. >Undoubtedly, the absolute best of TD piano compositions. It's confusing to call Pergamon a concert... >I have a boot of this show, as well, it's called >'Staatsgrenze West', but can't compare with Pergamon... >I suppose, it's the actual material from the concert. As for Staatsgrenze West, that's a pretty old bootleg of this event and is incomplete. The complete 80 minute show can be had on 'White Cloths' or 'Lifted Curtain'. I like all 3 versions of this music, Tangram, Pergamon (Quichotte), and the actual concert each in their own way. -Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33906 [PDR 1980] Morgan Feldon Wed 5/15/2002 2 KB From: Morgan Feldon Date: Wed May 15, 2002 6:38 am Subject: Lily on the Beach in 86? My mistake on Lily on the Beach material being heard in 1986. The 86 tour was mostly Underwater Sunlight and Le Parc and a few soundtrack bits. -Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33903 Re: Lily on the Beach in 86? Antonio Nunes Wed 5/15/2002 2 KB From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Wed May 15, 2002 6:56 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Quichotte I think the album is named after the Pergamon Museum in Berlin. What I do wonder is why the tracks are called Quichotte! Dennis On 15 May 2002 at 5:45, artofvision01 wrote: > > > Actually Slightly less than 50% of Pergammon is studio, as the intro > > ambience and closing segments of Quichotte 2 are identical to the > >radio broadcast version. The only change is that a much cooler 'long > >sequence' replaced the somewhat cheesy sounding one that was actually > >played at the concert (or at least on the radio broadcast of the > >concert...). I consider it a DEFINITE improvement, as this is one of > >the ROCKINEST pieces TD has > > ever put out. > > > > Just yesterday evening I listened to this concert after a > long break and also wondered, how heavenly great it is! > But the ultimate delight is the beginning piano solo. > Undoubtedly, the absolute best of TD piano compositions. > > I have a boot of this show, as well, it's called > 'Staatsgrenze West', but can't compare with Pergamon... > I suppose, it's the actual material from the concert. > > BTW, why is the album called Pergamon while both tracks > are Quichotte's? > > ArtOfVision > > NP: Time will run back > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33899 Re: Quichotte richter_arne Wed 5/15/2002 3 KB 33911 Re: Quichotte richter_arne Wed 5/15/2002 2 KB 33907 Re: Quichotte chris towers Wed 5/15/2002 4 KB From: Armin Theissen Date: Wed May 15, 2002 7:24 am Subject: Re: [tadream] [Live or Memorex] > From: Morgan Feldon > >[snip] > > And I have to state again, this cut and pasting of applause to tracks which > were never played live is offensive. > >[snip] Agree. Somewhere sometime Edgar said that doing this is common practise in the industry. Nevertheless, it stays offensive. But earlier on, Edgar said something else. I had (unfortunately past tense) a tape copy of a 2 hour long german radio interview with Edgar from a WDR program in the early 80s. The conversation was about music in general. At some point he complained about the (old?) german system to classify music into 'E' and 'U', where E stands for 'ernste Musik' (serious music - E has nothing to do with electronic) and U for 'Unterhaltungsmusik' (entertainment music). Basically, E would be everything you had to go into a so-called 'classic' section for, and U would be the rest. Edgar noted how silly that system is, he would distinguish between 'good 'and 'bad' music, where good is everything where you feel some degree of honesty. Now, where would TD's manipulated live copy-and-pastings fall into ???? armin ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen From: Date: Wed May 15, 2002 8:21 am Subject: Berlin 15.06.2002 Hello, TD Live in Berlin Museumsinsel press onthe link to see more: http://www.radioeins.de/events/museumsinsel/ (sorry written only in german) PLEASE LOOK AT THE COVER PICTURE ON THIS PAGE, a little joke or??? ;-) Regards heiko - Mr. Optical www.opticaldream.de www.tribute-to-ashra.de [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33890 Re: Berlin 15.06.2002 Synthhtnys@a... Wed 5/15/2002 2 KB 33891 Re: Berlin 15.06.2002 Armin Theissen Wed 5/15/2002 3 KB 33892 Re: Berlin 15.06.2002 Synthhtnys@a... Wed 5/15/2002 2 KB 33896 Re: Berlin 15.06.2002 heineu Wed 5/15/2002 2 KB 33912 Re: Berlin 15.06.2002 richter_arne Wed 5/15/2002 2 KB 34014 Re: Berlin 15.06.2002 Scott Fri 5/17/2002 2 KB From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Wed May 15, 2002 8:32 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Berlin 15.06.2002 In a message dated 5/15/2002 3:23:33 AM Central Daylight Time, heiko@o... writes: > PLEASE LOOK AT THE COVER PICTURE ON THIS PAGE, a little joke or??? ;-) > *Huh? I don't see it... what's the joke? Salvador Dali? Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Armin Theissen Date: Wed May 15, 2002 8:46 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Berlin 15.06.2002 click to 'june' to see the june program of events, listing TD's inferno performance, along with a cover of that CD with the 1977 concert (geez, can't recall the name of that CD - the one with the annoying fault) a. > > > > PLEASE LOOK AT THE COVER PICTURE ON THIS PAGE, a little joke or??? ;-) > > > > *Huh? I don't see it... what's the joke? Salvador Dali? > Poly > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Wed May 15, 2002 9:17 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Berlin 15.06.2002 In a message dated 5/15/2002 3:51:52 AM Central Daylight Time, Armin.Theissen@s... writes: > click to 'june' to see the june program of events, listing > TD's inferno performance, along with a cover of that CD > with the 1977 concert (geez, can't recall the name of that > CD - the one with the annoying fault) > *Ah I see what you mean, the Soundmill Navigator picture for the Inferno concert. Actually I haven't seen the cover for Inferno yet... Is there a street date for its release in the US? I keep checking my local shops... but nothing. Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33896 Re: Berlin 15.06.2002 heineu Wed 5/15/2002 2 KB 33912 Re: Berlin 15.06.2002 richter_arne Wed 5/15/2002 2 KB From: Armin Theissen Date: Wed May 15, 2002 9:21 am Subject: soundmill nav (was Re: [tadream] Berlin 15.06.2002) Yes, Soundmill Navigator it was called.... I have long given up waiting for things to appear in the shops. Especially since I live in Ireland. Unless you have endless patience, I would order it by mail. a. > > > > *Ah I see what you mean, the Soundmill Navigator picture for the Inferno > concert. > Actually I haven't seen the cover for Inferno yet... Is there a street date > for its release in the US? I keep checking my local shops... but nothing. > Poly > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Wed May 15, 2002 9:27 am Subject: Re: [tadream] re: the la Folia section of Force Majeure In a message dated 5/15/2002 12:03:02 AM Central Daylight Time, jshoults@f... writes: > how ironic. I have always viewed the laFolia section of the song Force > Majeure as the only imperfection on the entire FM album. not so much > becuase it doesn't 'fit' the rest of the music - you have to get used to > sudden shifts in progreessive music - but it just sounded like the old dude > in the mall who plays 70's game show themes in the organ store. I think > it's mostly the instrumentation I don't like really. I actually snipped > that section out of my car tape recording. > *LOL! I wasn't sure what part was being reffered to until you made the remark about '70's game show themes. then I immediately knew... This part and the hyper tweezed guitar line about 4 minutes 20 seconds into Cloudburst Flight are the only sections I dislike in the album. The guitar part sounds like a mosquito on meth. urrrgh. They achieved that sound by slowing down the tape... Check out that chipmunk vibrato........ I guess Edgar wanted people to think he could play fast. Bad idea. I'd take the guitar on Cherokee Lane any day. Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Armin Theissen Date: Wed May 15, 2002 9:33 am Subject: Re: [tadream] re: the la Folia section of Force Majeure so what part of Force Majeure is it? Guess I have to get a copy of that La Folia piece as I shouldn't play sound files here at work.... a. > > *LOL! I wasn't sure what part was being reffered to until you made the > remark about '70's game show themes. then I immediately knew... This part and > the hyper tweezed guitar line about 4 minutes 20 seconds into Cloudburst > Flight are the only sections I dislike in the album. The guitar part sounds > like a mosquito on meth. urrrgh. > They achieved that sound by slowing down the tape... > Check out that chipmunk vibrato........ > I guess Edgar wanted people to think he could play fast. > Bad idea. > I'd take the guitar on Cherokee Lane any day. > Poly > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen From: 'heineu' Date: Wed May 15, 2002 9:49 am Subject: Re: Berlin 15.06.2002 Many thankx to Armin. click on June to see the joke. Regards heiko - mr. Optical www.opticaldream.de --- In tadream@y..., Synthhtnys@a... wrote: > In a message dated 5/15/2002 3:51:52 AM Central Daylight Time, > Armin.Theissen@s... writes: > > > > click to 'june' to see the june program of events, listing > > TD's inferno performance, along with a cover of that CD > > with the 1977 concert (geez, can't recall the name of that > > CD - the one with the annoying fault) > > > > *Ah I see what you mean, the Soundmill Navigator picture for the Inferno > concert. > Actually I haven't seen the cover for Inferno yet... Is there a street date > for its release in the US? I keep checking my local shops... but nothing. > Poly > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Antonio Nunes Date: Wed May 15, 2002 10:25 am Subject: Re: [tadream] re: the la Folia section of Force Majeure Armin Theissen wrote: > > so what part of Force Majeure is it? Guess I have to get a copy of > that La Folia piece as I shouldn't play sound files here at work.... Not even a midi file? The midi on the site I mentioned is just 28 seconds long, and I'm sure you only need to listen to the first 3 or 4 seconds to recognize it. Anyway, on the track 'Force Majeure' you can hear the theme around 16:18 - 16:46 and again at 17:12 - 17:40. Antonio From: Armin Theissen Date: Wed May 15, 2002 10:42 am Subject: Re: [tadream] re: the la Folia section of Force Majeure ok, I can't play midi files here, but now I now for sure what you mean. Somebody's earlier remark on a guitar section had me confused... thanks a. > > > Armin Theissen wrote: > > > > so what part of Force Majeure is it? Guess I have to get a copy of > > that La Folia piece as I shouldn't play sound files here at work.... > > > Not even a midi file? The midi on the site I mentioned is just 28 > seconds long, and I'm sure you only need to listen to the first 3 or 4 > seconds to recognize it. Anyway, on the track 'Force Majeure' you can > hear the theme around 16:18 - 16:46 and again at 17:12 - 17:40. > > Antonio > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen From: 'richter_arne' Date: Wed May 15, 2002 10:48 am Subject: Re: Quichotte --- In tadream@y..., 'Dennis Nigbur' wrote: > I think the album is named after the Pergamon Museum in Berlin. What > I do wonder is why the tracks are called Quichotte! > The name of the original album released on Amiga Records of the former German Democratic Republic is 'Quichotte'. So you had an album called 'Quichotte' with the two tracks called 'Quichotte' on them. Only the 1985 Virgin Records version (TD was contractually required to not release the concert outside East-Germany for 5 years) then had the name 'Pergamon'. I also don't see the relation between the two, other than that the Pergamon museum is less than 1 km from the actual concert venue 'Palast Der Republik' (which looks like it will be demolished next year after the 4 years work of asbestos removal will be finished). And this year's Inferno concert will take place exactly in the middle between the 2 buildings, about 300-400 meters away from each. As to the name 'Quichotte', who knows, maybe that was a little inside joke from Edgar regarding the bureaucracy necessary to either perfom or release the music in East Germany. Maybe he felt like he was attacking windmills at that time? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33911 Re: Quichotte richter_arne Wed 5/15/2002 2 KB From: 'richter_arne' Date: Wed May 15, 2002 10:50 am Subject: Quichotte pt. 2 (was Re: Encore) --- In tadream@y..., 'Owens, James' wrote: > Actually Slightly less than 50% of Pergammon is studio Not if you also count the overdubs on Quichotte 1 ;-) From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Wed May 15, 2002 10:48 am Subject: RE: [tadream] [Live or Memorex] An album called LIVEMILES 82/83 TOUR was originally supposed to have come out in 1984. Perhaps it did actually materialize as POLAND THE WARSAW CONCERT. However, maybe Edgar just really liked the title and stuck with it. > > I think Livemiles is a very nice album. But it's marred by the > labeling and > claim. Again, I am willing to accept that Edgar released it to > get out of a > contract of some sort. > > > > -Morgan > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'richter_arne' Date: Wed May 15, 2002 10:59 am Subject: Re: Encore --- In tadream@y..., 'John Vertical' wrote: > Further on the case of the latter, I still cease to believe that it is > strictly&completely a studio creation. If it is, then why it is so ... > monotonic when compared to the other 3 pieces? The closest studio creation > to compare with would be Stratosfear, and thematically this is almost three > times more persistent than Str. Maybe because they tried so hard to make us believe in a live track, that they overdid it. Look at Quichotte 2 (again!). Another example of a track that is 'monotonic' if you want to call it that, and again a definite studio creation. And this even after Force Majeure with its many themes and in the wake of Tangram with its many sections. In fact, here we have the exact same situation: Quichotte 1 and the entire radio broadcast consist of themes not exceeding maybe 8 - 10 minutes in length, yet Quichotte 2 gives us some 20 minutes of basically one and the same sequence with improvised lead voices, just like Coldwater Canyon did. So we have circumstantial evidence that when TD thinks 'let's record a studio track that sounds like it is live', then they think of 'it better sound 'monotonic' to make it believable', or at least they used to do so in the late 70s... Arne From: Antonio Nunes Date: Wed May 15, 2002 11:30 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Lily on the Beach in 86? Morgan Feldon wrote: > > My mistake on Lily on the Beach material being heard in 1986. > The 86 tour was mostly Underwater Sunlight and Le Parc and a few soundtrack > bits. But they did play material from Optical Race on the 86 European tour, namely an early version of 'Mothers of Rain'. Antonio np: Mothers of Rain, from Hammersmith Odeon 1986-03-27 From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed May 15, 2002 1:42 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] re: the la Folia section of Force Majeure > knew... This part and > the hyper tweezed guitar line about 4 minutes 20 seconds into > Cloudburst Flight are the only sections I dislike in the album. The > guitar part sounds like a mosquito on meth. urrrgh. oh I like that guitar. it just sounds like a filter to me. but what do I know? ;-) From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed May 15, 2002 1:43 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] re: the la Folia section of Force Majeure antonio provided the link: Reference to TD's Force Majeure, including a MIDI file of the theme: http://people.a2000.nl/pgabler/html5t.html > -----Original Message----- > From: Armin Theissen [mailto:Armin.Theissen@s...] > so what part of Force Majeure is it? Guess I have to get a copy of > that La Folia piece as I shouldn't play sound files here at work.... > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33923 R: [tadream] re: the la Folia section of Force Ma Alessandro Wed 5/15/2002 2 KB 33929 Re: R: [tadream] re: the la Folia section of Forc odean@m... Wed 5/15/2002 3 KB 33964 R: R: [tadream] re: the la Folia section of Force Alessandro Thu 5/16/2002 3 KB From: Morgan Feldon Date: Wed May 15, 2002 1:41 pm Subject: [PDR 1980] I am perplexed by TD fans who have just started listening to TD concerts or have heard but a fraction of them (there are ~180 known tapes), especially those who admit they don't really care for them, and yet who seem to have so much to say about them. -Morgan From: chris towers Date: Wed May 15, 2002 2:01 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Quichotte The Bootleg 'White Cloths' is also very good if you havnt heard it. Chris --- Dennis Nigbur wrote: > I think the album is named after the Pergamon Museum > in Berlin. What > I do wonder is why the tracks are called Quichotte! > > Dennis > > > On 15 May 2002 at 5:45, artofvision01 wrote: > > > > > > Actually Slightly less than 50% of Pergammon is > studio, as the intro > > > ambience and closing segments of Quichotte 2 are > identical to the > > >radio broadcast version. The only change is that > a much cooler 'long > > >sequence' replaced the somewhat cheesy sounding > one that was actually > > >played at the concert (or at least on the radio > broadcast of the > > >concert...). I consider it a DEFINITE > improvement, as this is one of > > >the ROCKINEST pieces TD has > > > ever put out. > > > > > > > Just yesterday evening I listened to this concert > after a > > long break and also wondered, how heavenly great > it is! > > But the ultimate delight is the beginning piano > solo. > > Undoubtedly, the absolute best of TD piano > compositions. > > > > I have a boot of this show, as well, it's called > > 'Staatsgrenze West', but can't compare with > Pergamon... > > I suppose, it's the actual material from the > concert. > > > > BTW, why is the album called Pergamon while both > tracks > > are Quichotte's? > > > > ArtOfVision > > > > NP: Time will run back > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From: chris towers Date: Wed May 15, 2002 2:27 pm Subject: DVD, CDrs Does anyone know where i can get my hands on Three Phase, Canyon Dreams, Oasis and Rumpelstiltskin on DVD?? I have them on Video but want to get them on better quality formats.. Anyone help??????? Thanks Chris __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33910 Re: DVD, CDrs Administrator for kay-net.com Wed 5/15/2002 3 KB 33913 Re: DVD, CDrs quarlie@a... Wed 5/15/2002 2 KB 33914 Re: DVD, CDrs Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid Wed 5/15/2002 3 KB 33916 Re: DVD, CDrs hyperboreauk Wed 5/15/2002 3 KB 33950 Re: DVD, CDrs chris towers Thu 5/16/2002 4 KB 33934 Re: DVD, CDrs Owens, James Thu 5/16/2002 2 KB 33942 Re: DVD, CDrs coldwatercanyon Thu 5/16/2002 3 KB 33938 Re: DVD, CDrs Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid Thu 5/16/2002 3 KB From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Wed May 15, 2002 3:07 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] [Live or Memorex] Edgar noted how silly that system is, he would distinguish between 'good 'and 'bad' music, where good is everything where you feel some degree of honesty. I view this in a different way. If Edgar felt good about redoing something then it falls into Good Music. If he felt bad, then that is the way it is. I believe he feels good about altering some tracks as he feels or wishes they have been or should have. I myself look for both untouched and touch versions. I find 'Good' in both. Also shows me a insight into the minds of those who are doing the creating. Dale Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Armin Theissen' To: Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 12:24 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] [Live or Memorex] > > > > From: Morgan Feldon > > > >[snip] > > > > And I have to state again, this cut and pasting of applause to tracks which > > were never played live is offensive. > > > >[snip] > > Agree. Somewhere sometime Edgar said that doing this is common practise > in the industry. Nevertheless, it stays offensive. > > But earlier on, Edgar said something else. I had (unfortunately > past tense) a tape copy of a 2 hour long german radio interview with > Edgar from a WDR program in the early 80s. The conversation was > about music in general. At some point he complained about the > (old?) german system to classify music into 'E' and 'U', where > E stands for 'ernste Musik' (serious music - E has nothing to do > with electronic) and U for 'Unterhaltungsmusik' (entertainment music). > Basically, E would be everything you had to go into a so-called 'classic' > section for, and U would be the rest. Edgar noted how silly that > system is, he would distinguish between 'good 'and 'bad' music, > where good is everything where you feel some degree of honesty. > > Now, where would TD's manipulated live copy-and-pastings fall into ???? > > > armin > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 > SUN Microsystems Ireland > > 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' > - Woody Allen > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Wed May 15, 2002 3:14 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] DVD, CDrs second that I be interested as well. dale Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'chris towers' To: Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 7:27 AM Subject: [tadream] DVD, CDrs > Does anyone know where i can get my hands on Three > Phase, Canyon Dreams, Oasis and Rumpelstiltskin on > DVD?? I have them on Video but want to get them on > better quality formats.. > > Anyone help??????? > > Thanks > Chris > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience > http://launch.yahoo.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'richter_arne' Date: Wed May 15, 2002 3:17 pm Subject: Re: Quichotte --- In tadream@y..., 'richter_arne' wrote: > As to the name 'Quichotte', who knows, maybe that was a little inside > joke from Edgar regarding the bureaucracy necessary to either perfom > or release the music in East Germany. Maybe he felt like he was > attacking windmills at that time? Come to think of it, isn't there a saying 'The mills of bureaucracy grind slowly, but exceedingly fine'...there you have it! Arne From: 'richter_arne' Date: Wed May 15, 2002 3:24 pm Subject: Re: Berlin 15.06.2002 --- In tadream@y..., Synthhtnys@a... wrote: > In a message dated 5/15/2002 3:51:52 AM Central Daylight Time, > Armin.Theissen@s... writes: > > > > click to 'june' to see the june program of events, listing > > TD's inferno performance, along with a cover of that CD > > with the 1977 concert (geez, can't recall the name of that > > CD - the one with the annoying fault) > > > > *Ah I see what you mean, the Soundmill Navigator picture for the Inferno > concert. Well, the text is just as bad - they mention that TD played the famous PDR show in 1983 (instead of 1980)...Ignorants! Arne From: quarlie@a... Date: Wed May 15, 2002 4:12 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] DVD, CDrs In a message dated 5/15/02 10:35:10 AM, cjt999fire2000@y... writes: >Does anyone know where i can get my hands on Three >Phase, Canyon Dreams, Oasis and Rumpelstiltskin on >DVD?? I have them on Video but want to get them on >better quality formats.. Oasis (as well as the Video Dream Mixes and What a Blast) can be bought on DVD from CDnow. Not sure where you could get Canyon Dreams or Rumpelstiltskin. I'm pretty certain that Three Phase has not come out on DVD, although there was a laserdisc version (now out of print). --Daniel NP: Anubian Lights - Naz Bar From: Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid Date: Wed May 15, 2002 4:31 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] DVD, CDrs Canyon Dreams might be impossible to get now....Miramar went out of business over a year ago.....which explains why I was never able to get the Chronos DVD (another Miramar video release)....but...at least Chronos is in the process of being resurrected quarlie@a... wrote: > In a message dated 5/15/02 10:35:10 AM, cjt999fire2000@y... writes: > > >Does anyone know where i can get my hands on Three > >Phase, Canyon Dreams, Oasis and Rumpelstiltskin on > >DVD?? I have them on Video but want to get them on > >better quality formats.. > > Oasis (as well as the Video Dream Mixes and What a Blast) can be bought on > DVD from CDnow. Not sure where you could get Canyon Dreams or > Rumpelstiltskin. I'm pretty certain that Three Phase has not come out on DVD, > although there was a laserdisc version (now out of print). > > --Daniel > NP: Anubian Lights - Naz Bar > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33916 Re: DVD, CDrs hyperboreauk Wed 5/15/2002 3 KB 33950 Re: DVD, CDrs chris towers Thu 5/16/2002 4 KB From: 'E Neal Frost' Date: Wed May 15, 2002 5:07 pm Subject: Tangerine Tree's 2 & 3 & ........ Hello, I have a question. I think I remember reading in an e-mail about Tangerine Tree's 2 and maybe 3 and beyond. Does anyone know what is going to be on these trees yet? In the last year or so, I have traded with quite a few people to get a lot more concert boots in my collection. Now some of these recordings I traded for are coming out in this tree. I am not complaining in the least. I would have added them to my collection anyway. My question/concern is this.....if I/We knew what was going to be on later trees, we could better pick and choose future trades with each other without the possibility of ending up with doubles. We could set up trades for 'new' material not destined for a tree. Does this question make sense, or am I just mumbling? Thanks for your time and understanding. Neal Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33918 Re: Tangerine Tree's 2 & 3 & ........ Mark Filipak Wed 5/15/2002 3 KB 33919 Re: Tangerine Tree's 2 & 3 & ........ Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid Wed 5/15/2002 3 KB 33921 Re: Tangerine Tree's 2 & 3 & ........ Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz Wed 5/15/2002 5 KB 33920 Re: [tangerinedream] Tangerine Tree's 2 & 3 & ... Morgan Feldon Wed 5/15/2002 12 KB 33930 Re: [tangerinedream] Tangerine Tree's 2 & 3 & ... Jim Moore Thu 5/16/2002 2 KB 33922 Re: Tangerine Tree's 2 & 3 & ........ Gustavo Jobim Wed 5/15/2002 2 KB 33924 Re: Tangerine Tree's 2 & 3 & ........ Matthew Sawyer Wed 5/15/2002 3 KB 33925 Artwork Status for TT2 maggior Wed 5/15/2002 2 KB 33926 January 31th 1980-Folder - page update by Rainer Rainer Rutka Wed 5/15/2002 3 KB From: 'hyperboreauk' Date: Wed May 15, 2002 5:28 pm Subject: Re: DVD, CDrs --- In tadream@y..., Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid Hi I got Canyon Dreams on DVD about a month ago from play.com and they are still showing it in stock at the moment. Cheers Gary www.hyperborea.v21net.co.uk wrote: > Canyon Dreams might be impossible to get now....Miramar went out of business over > a year ago.....which explains why I was never able to get the Chronos DVD > (another Miramar video release)....but...at least Chronos is in the process of > being resurrected > > quarlie@a... wrote: > > > In a message dated 5/15/02 10:35:10 AM, cjt999fire2000@y... writes: > > > > >Does anyone know where i can get my hands on Three > > >Phase, Canyon Dreams, Oasis and Rumpelstiltskin on > > >DVD?? I have them on Video but want to get them on > > >better quality formats.. > > > > Oasis (as well as the Video Dream Mixes and What a Blast) can be bought on > > DVD from CDnow. Not sure where you could get Canyon Dreams or > > Rumpelstiltskin. I'm pretty certain that Three Phase has not come out on DVD, > > although there was a laserdisc version (now out of print). > > > > --Daniel > > NP: Anubian Lights - Naz Bar > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@y... > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33950 Re: DVD, CDrs chris towers Thu 5/16/2002 4 KB From: 'fozziebear' Date: Wed May 15, 2002 5:52 pm Subject: quichotte / pergamon Isn't Pergamon the site of an ancient Hellenic civilisation somewhere in Greece? I saw an archaelogical programme about it some time ago. Didn't it have complex marble buildings which were copied for the Berlin museum? David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33955 Re: quichotte / pergamon richter_arne Thu 5/16/2002 3 KB From: Mark Filipak Date: Wed May 15, 2002 6:40 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Tree's 2 & 3 & ........ E Neal Frost wrote: > > Hello, > > I have a question. I think I remember reading in an e-mail about > Tangerine Tree's 2 and maybe 3 and beyond. Does anyone know what is > going to be on these trees yet? ... TT#2 isn't nailed down yet. TT#3+? Who knows. Enjoy what you get and be happy it is better than what you have. Trade away. Life's a crap shoot after all. Ciao -- Mark > ... In the last year or so, I have traded with quite a few > people to get a lot more concert boots in my collection. Now some of these > recordings I traded for are coming out in this tree. I am not complaining in > the least. I would have added them to my collection anyway. My > question/concern is this.....if I/We knew what was going to be on later > trees, we could better pick and choose future trades with each other without > the possibility of ending up with doubles. We could set up trades for 'new' > material not destined for a tree. > > Does this question make sense, or am I just mumbling? > > Thanks for your time and understanding. > > Neal From: Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid Date: Wed May 15, 2002 7:07 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Tree's 2 & 3 & ........ From what I remember, TT2 is going to be mainly 80s concerts ..not sure about 3 Mark Filipak wrote: > E Neal Frost wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > I have a question. I think I remember reading in an e-mail about > > Tangerine Tree's 2 and maybe 3 and beyond. Does anyone know what is > > going to be on these trees yet? ... > > TT#2 isn't nailed down yet. TT#3+? Who knows. Enjoy what you get and be > happy it is better than what you have. Trade away. Life's a crap shoot > after all. > > Ciao -- Mark > > > ... In the last year or so, I have traded with quite a few > > people to get a lot more concert boots in my collection. Now some of these > > recordings I traded for are coming out in this tree. I am not complaining in > > the least. I would have added them to my collection anyway. My > > question/concern is this.....if I/We knew what was going to be on later > > trees, we could better pick and choose future trades with each other without > > the possibility of ending up with doubles. We could set up trades for 'new' > > material not destined for a tree. > > > > Does this question make sense, or am I just mumbling? > > > > Thanks for your time and understanding. > > > > Neal > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33921 Re: Tangerine Tree's 2 & 3 & ........ Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz Wed 5/15/2002 5 KB From: Morgan Feldon Date: Wed May 15, 2002 7:09 pm Subject: Re: [tangerinedream] Tangerine Tree's 2 & 3 & ........ Walking on eggshells here... (I hope I haven't stepped on any toes, let alone breaking ankles, with this) Ultimately every TD concert in history will come out as a Tangerine Tree. But of course, some will be very similar to bootlegs that are already circulating, and some will be drastically different. The first few Tangerine Trees are designed to close the gap between the widely circulating crummy tapes and the best possible tapes. Eventually, it will come down to brass tacks. I have just accepted that nearly every recording I have will be obsolete in the coming years. Whether it's an 'official' bootleg or CDR, or an Nth gen fantape. The simple fact of the matter is, original fantapes are being discovered in drawers and closets left and right and slowly being released from the diehard collectors and recording archivists. The diehards are working behind the scenes doing a lot of research and contacting the original tapers, aka the guys who held the tape recorder in the audience, and making digital copies from there. It is a shame that we collectors have dealt with the post office and lots of work at trading to get these recordings we have now, or worse, have paid a lot of money for bootlegs and now it all seems for naught. But at the same time, I'm happy because we are finally getting something that doesn't sound it's been run over by a truck and recorded in a swimming pool. Some of the concerts that will be part of the Tangerine Tree are or will be near-release quality. The planned contents of Tangerine Tree #2 were posted to tadream a few weeks ago and already a list of what will be in Tangerine Tree #3 is under way. I think the choice of 1981 concert might change for TT2, but the others are set in stone. It's a fact that the best recording we'll ever hear of Apr 2, 1975 Royal Albert Hall is going to be Tangerine Tree volume 9. And a great 1976 show in very good quality (8/10 after remastering?) will be coming--aka Mannheim 76 (I brought a few of these which I remastered to Okefenokee). Basically, unless you are sure of what generation you are going to get (1st, 2nd), I wouldn't bend over backwards to execute a trade. I hope I am not hurting trading by saying this! I am continually working on my website which lists all the concerts for which I have a recording, some notes about each, and a list of all the old bootlegs/CDRs/fantapes that each source replaces. http://www.feldoncentral.com/tddisc/ Ok, here's the posting that Heiko made to the list on April 16th regarding the 2nd Tangerine Tree: ******************************************************************************** Hello Gang, I thought it might be a good idea to let you know the tracklist for the next 'tree'. I think that it will take me at least 3-4 weeks before everything is ready for distribution, but I guess there's no need to hurry right now since some of the leaves still haven't received their discs from TT1 ;-) So unless TDI doesn't send me a huge parcel full of unreleased live tapes this is what you will have to cope with: ;-) Vol.9: London Royal Albert Hall 02 April 1975 complete concert (source: digital copy of BBC IPS master tape, plus 1st generation audience tape) 2 CDRs, remastered by 'Tentbuckum' Vol.10: Newcastle City Hall 25 October 1981 (audience master tape) 2 CDRs, remastered by 'Tentbuckum' Vol.11: Birmingham Odeon Theatre 17 March 1986 (2nd generation tape...have yet to find out if it's an audience or a mixing desk recording) 2 CDRs remastered by 'Tentbuckum' Vol. 12: a 2 CDR compilation with 'lone tracks', mostly taken from the German radio shows 'Elektrobeats' and 'Schwingungen', but also includes some tracks taken from TV broadcasts. Vol. 13: Mannheim Mozartsaal 31 October 1976 (audience master tape) 2 CDRs, remastered by 'Jabberwock' (*bad luck for people like me who can only listen to CDRs: the whole Mannheim show runs for ca. 81 minutes and would almost fit onto 1 CDR, but it's impossible to shorten it. Maybe I should add the remastered 1st gen. audience tape of Saarbrücken Universität 24 January 1976 as a bonus? This concert has a length of ca. 59 minutes and since both the tapes of Mannheim & Saarbrücken were discovered last year at the same time they both have some sort of relation to each other....what do you think? Although I don't like the idea of releasing two concerts on one Volume, I think this could be an exception to the rule, and instead of 81 minutes we would have 140 minutes on two CDRs.*) Vol. 14: Paris Bataclan 02 February 1981 (audience master tape) 2 CDRs, remastered by 'Jabberwock' Vol. 15: Warsaw Mart Swietokrzyski 31 August 2001 'The most beautiful rock for peace' (Part 1) (Soundboard recording) 2 CDRs, remastered by '3N' Vol. 16: Warsaw Mart Swietokrzyski 31 August 2001 'The most beautiful rock for peace' (Part 2) (Soundboard & portable DAT audience recording + excerpts from the Press conference) 1 CDR, remastered by '3N' and Jaroslaw 'Jerry' Wiktorowicz. ******************************************************************************** ******************************************************************************** I think if you were going to trade for these, you might want to wait (with the exception of Lifted Curtain--go ahead and get it!), as they are in production: 1980.01.31 Palast der Republik, Berlin (the 'Pergamon/Quichotte' evening concert) Yes, we have White Cloths, we have Lifted Curtain (the best possible recording so far). So what more is there to say? Well, Lifted Curtain is not the right speed. It's being fixed and some tape hiss removal is being done (and if it's not done carefully, I'll be the first to complain :)) Berlin Internationales Congress-Centrum January 26,1981 Hamburg Audimax February 24,1978 The clearest 78 concert I've heard. This and Don't Walk, Dream Now make up the entire 'listenable' 78 collection. Saarbrücken Universität 1st gen. January 24,1976 The sound quality is clear, but the concert is not particularly exciting. Hard to believe that just 2 weeks later, they would play the incredible Feb 9, 76 Brussels Johnson University show 'Danger Live'. Osaka, Japan 1983 Best fantape recording of TD, hands down, re: sound quality. Avery Fisher Hall, New York 1977 Remastering under way the current tape is abysmal, I'm not sure what the starting point is Seattle, Washington 1977 1st gen tape is under lock and key still :/ the widely distributed tape is a painful 4th gen Birmingham Odeon March 17,1986 mixing deck described as awesome Oxford, UK (New Theater) 1981.10.15 there's a little contest going on between this and Newcastle 81 to see which is better. :) 1981.08.29 Berlin Reichstag The '81 soundtrack' concert, if you will. TD played 94 minutes straight. 1980.10.13 Brussels The Nostragram CDR (which is simply incredible) was edited down from the full concert tape. No doubt we'll get the whole show in a future tree. (Go ahead and trade for this if you like 1980 shows!) 1976.11.16 Brussels Ancienne Mucho effort is being put into remastering this, especially the speed adjustment. 1976.11.22 Paris Palais du Sport The best possible tape of this is simply incredible, but is not completely released yet. soon I hope. 1982.11.15 Berlin ICC Who knows what the future will bring. I've got eyes, fingers, and toes crossed (And first-born child papers drawn up). ********************************************************************* ********************************************************************* There are a few recordings which are already the best possible source, and the only thing inclusion in the Tangerine Tree will provide (to my knowledge) is speed correction and tape hiss removal. Go ahead and trade for these.: 1980.01.31 Palast der Republik - 'Lifted Curtain' replaces Staatsgrenze West + White Cloths 1987.08.01 Berlin '20th Century Serenades' and 'Antarktis' 1988.09.06 Boston, MA 'At the Mountains of Madness' replaces Spherical Harmonics 1 + 2 pristine soundboard recording 1990.02.20 Berlin Werner-Seelenbinder pretty sure we have the 1st or 2nd gen already 1982.03.01 Melbourne, Australia 'Strange Attractions' this is a 10/10 quality recording of the 2nd set and encores from FM radio replaces Ratikon and Fractal Realities in a Shattered Plane 1982.02.22 Sydney Regent Theater, Australia 'The Real Sohoman' FM stereo recording -- very nice, but it has a ton of dropouts and glitches This could be improved by cutting and pasting pieces to repair it. Also, about 10 minutes in, for nearly 2 minutes, someone is playing an instrument totally off-key which does not help things. 1983.12.10 Warsaw Ice Stadium afternoon and evening shows 'Dreaming on Ice Stadium' The Warsaw-Poland concerts. Not excellent quality, but certainly the best I've heard and worthy of being put out on the tree. maybe Tangerine Tree #3? 1986.06.08 Kiva, Albuquerque (Klaus B.'s tape) You know what this is. :) There were some bad copies floating around. This one is a very clear fan tape. 1986.03.29 Cologne, Germany (General Relativity) Only 60 minutes of this is from the radio, the rest is an audience tape, the audience part is subject to change 1977.04.10 Montreal 'CHOM-FM' The entire concert in the same quality as Patrolling Space Borders some remastering work is under way by 3N though 1978.02.19 Eissporthalle, Berlin (Don't Walk, Dream Now) 1977.03.31 Detroit, Michigan (Snackbar Dreamer in Detroit) the best possible version known ********************************************************************* -Morgan At 01:07 PM 5/15/2002 -0400, you wrote: >Hello, > >I have a question. I think I remember reading in an e-mail about Tangerine >Tree's 2 and maybe 3 and beyond. Does anyone know what is going to be on >these trees yet? In the last year or so, I have traded with quite a few >people to get a lot more concert boots in my collection. Now some of these >recordings I traded for are coming out in this tree. I am not complaining in >the least. I would have added them to my collection anyway. My >question/concern is this.....if I/We knew what was going to be on later >trees, we could better pick and choose future trades with each other without >the possibility of ending up with doubles. We could set up trades for 'new' >material not destined for a tree. > >Does this question make sense, or am I just mumbling? > >Thanks for your time and understanding. > >Neal [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33930 Re: [tangerinedream] Tangerine Tree's 2 & 3 & ... Jim Moore Thu 5/16/2002 2 KB From: 'Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz' Date: Wed May 15, 2002 7:12 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Tangerine Tree's 2 & 3 & ........ This is the TT2 listing posted here a dosen or so days ago: Vol. 9: London Royal Albert Hall 02 April 1975 - 2CD Vol. 10: Newcastle City Hall 25 October 1981 - 2CD Vol. 11: Birmingham Odeon Theatre 17 March 1986 - 2CD Vol. 12: A compilation with 'lone tracks' - 2CD Vol. 13: Mannheim Mozartsaal 31 October 1976 - 2CD Vol. 14: Paris Bataclan 02 February 1981 - 2CD Vol. 15: Warsaw Most Swietokrzyski 31 August 2001 (Part 1) - 2CD Vol. 16: Warsaw Most Swietokrzyski 31 August 2001 (Part 2) - 1CD Jarek 'Jerry' mailto:jerry@t... Visit my website at: http://www.tangerinedream.pl/ > -----Original Message----- > From: Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid > [mailto:liquiduniverse@e...] > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 9:07 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Tree's 2 & 3 & ........ > > > From what I remember, TT2 is going to be mainly 80s concerts > ..not sure about 3 > > Mark Filipak wrote: > > > E Neal Frost wrote: > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > I have a question. I think I remember reading in an e-mail about > > > Tangerine Tree's 2 and maybe 3 and beyond. Does anyone > know what is > > > going to be on these trees yet? ... > > > > TT#2 isn't nailed down yet. TT#3+? Who knows. Enjoy what > you get and be > > happy it is better than what you have. Trade away. Life's a > crap shoot > > after all. > > > > Ciao -- Mark > > > > > ... In the last year or so, I have traded with quite a few > > > people to get a lot more concert boots in my collection. > Now some of these > > > recordings I traded for are coming out in this tree. I am > not complaining in > > > the least. I would have added them to my collection anyway. My > > > question/concern is this.....if I/We knew what was going > to be on later > > > trees, we could better pick and choose future trades with > each other without > > > the possibility of ending up with doubles. We could set > up trades for 'new' > > > material not destined for a tree. > > > > > > Does this question make sense, or am I just mumbling? > > > > > > Thanks for your time and understanding. > > > > > > Neal > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Thu May 16, 2002 2:29 am Subject: Re: Tangerine Tree's 2 & 3 & ........ I think it would still be better to get all the Tree, since, as far as I know, the best recordings available are in it, and they're all (or most of them? or some of them?) being remastered... E Neal Frost wrote: >My > question/concern is this.....if I/We knew what was going to be on later > trees, we could better pick and choose future trades with each other without > the possibility of ending up with doubles. We could set up trades for 'new' > material not destined for a tree. > Neal Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... From: 'Alessandro' Date: Wed May 15, 2002 7:51 pm Subject: R: [tadream] re: the la Folia section of Force Majeure ....just to say that the original piece used by TD in Force Majeure was composed by Arcangelo Corelli, an Italian Composer of Baroque period. You can listen to the same piece in the Violin Sonata in d minor Opus 5 no.12 - Variation of the theme La Follia and you'll see that it's very similar. It's wonderful! Ciao Alessandro Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33929 Re: R: [tadream] re: the la Folia section of Forc odean@m... Wed 5/15/2002 3 KB 33964 R: R: [tadream] re: the la Folia section of Force Alessandro Thu 5/16/2002 3 KB From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Wed May 15, 2002 7:49 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Tree's 2 & 3 & ........ From: 'E Neal Frost' > I have a question. [snip] Provisional concerts for TT2 are: Royal Albert Hall 75, Newcastle 81, Birmingham 86, Mannheim 76, Saarbrucken 76, Paris 81, Warsaw 2001 and a final volume which is being decided at the moment. Maff _______________________________________________ www.tachyon-tv.co.uk www.maff.da.ru www.mst3uk.com www.eclipsecafe.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33925 Artwork Status for TT2 maggior Wed 5/15/2002 2 KB 33926 January 31th 1980-Folder - page update by Rainer Rainer Rutka Wed 5/15/2002 3 KB From: 'maggior' Date: Wed May 15, 2002 8:21 pm Subject: Artwork Status for TT2 This may be putting the cart before the horse, but has any work been done on the artwork? Is the same cast of wonderfully talented characters working on the artwork this time? --- In tadream@y..., 'Matthew Sawyer' wrote: > From: 'E Neal Frost' > > > I have a question. > > [snip] > > Provisional concerts for TT2 are: Royal Albert Hall 75, Newcastle 81, > Birmingham 86, Mannheim 76, Saarbrucken 76, Paris 81, Warsaw 2001 and a > final volume which is being decided at the moment. > > > Maff > _______________________________________________ > www.tachyon-tv.co.uk www.maff.da.ru > www.mst3uk.com > www.eclipsecafe.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33926 January 31th 1980-Folder - page update by Rainer Rainer Rutka Wed 5/15/2002 3 KB From: Rainer Rutka Date: Wed May 15, 2002 8:43 pm Subject: January 31th 1980-Folder - page update by Rainer - Hi everybody! After having serious troubles with my computer systems during the last months (too much to explain) I got the time to update my Tangerine Dream site the first time this year. I will (and I still do) update my page every day and add new items. E.g.: A rare(?) original folder from the legendary East-Berlin concert from the 31th of January 1980. It`s in the german language (if some- body wants to translate - send the file!). I add the complete text from the programm. It`s funny! OK, stay tuned and have a look from time to time. Rainer See ya in Berlin, 15th June? I`ll be there. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ my TD page: www.rutka.de/td ------------------------------------------------------------------------ (BTW: I can do copies of CDRs again. I know I owe some of the group members some disks since months - sorry for that) From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Wed May 15, 2002 9:05 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Artwork Status for TT2 From: 'maggior' > This may be putting the cart before the horse, but has any work been > done on the artwork? Is the same cast of wonderfully talented > characters working on the artwork this time? Same people as before, and you can see a rough preview of some of the covers here: http://www.croydon-cad.com/maff/tdtree/tt2prev/index.htm Maff _______________________________________________ www.tachyon-tv.co.uk www.maff.da.ru www.mst3uk.com www.eclipsecafe.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33931 Re: Artwork Status for TT2 Jim Moore Thu 5/16/2002 2 KB 33936 Re: Artwork Status for TT2 Robert Grabowsky Thu 5/16/2002 2 KB From: 'michaeljean@e...' Date: Wed May 15, 2002 9:22 pm Subject: RE: R: [tadream] re: the la Folia section of Force Majeure I am glad to see another fan of Corelli on the list! MJ Original Message: ----------------- From: Alessandro alessandro.ghera@t... Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 21:51:17 +0200 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: R: [tadream] re: the la Folia section of Force Majeure ...just to say that the original piece used by TD in Force Majeure was composed by Arcangelo Corelli, an Italian Composer of Baroque period. You can listen to the same piece in the Violin Sonata in d minor Opus 5 no.12 - Variation of the theme La Follia and you'll see that it's very similar. It's wonderful! Ciao Alessandro ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33935 Re: R: [tadream] re: the la Folia section of Forc Synthhtnys@a... Thu 5/16/2002 2 KB 33953 Re: R: [tadream] re: the la Folia section of Forc Simon Pride Thu 5/16/2002 2 KB From: odean@m... Date: Thu May 16, 2002 2:18 am Subject: Re: R: [tadream] re: the la Folia section of Force Majeure At 09:51 PM 5/15/02 +0200, you wrote: >....just to say that the original piece used by TD in Force Majeure was >composed by Arcangelo Corelli, an Italian Composer of Baroque period. >You can listen to the same piece in the Violin Sonata in d minor Opus 5 >no.12 - Variation of the theme La Follia and you'll see that it's very >similar. It's wonderful! > >Ciao > >Alessandro Corelli's version of La Folia is indeed my favorite but he did not compose the original theme. He certainly wrote an amazing set of variations though! The origin dates back before Corelli's time in the area of Spain or Portugal and the true composer is not known. You are right that Corelli's version can be found in the Violin Sonata that you mentioned. Of the many versions of this 'Theme and Variations' that I have heard, I like Corelli's the best with Francesco Geminiani coming in 2nd. Oscar http://www.TheVirtualBiz.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33964 R: R: [tadream] re: the la Folia section of Force Alessandro Thu 5/16/2002 3 KB From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Thu May 16, 2002 12:09 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: [tangerinedream] Tangerine Tree's 2 & 3 & ........ From: Morgan Feldon [mailto:feldon@f...] >1988.09.06 Boston, MA 'At the Mountains of Madness' > replaces Spherical Harmonics 1 + 2 > pristine soundboard recording My only gripe about this copy is that the guitar solo is clipped (as is in 'Spherical Harmonics')! Aarrgh! Did everyone's tape stop at the same time? - jim From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Thu May 16, 2002 12:09 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Artwork Status for TT2 From: Matthew Sawyer [mailto:matthewsawyer@c...] >From: 'maggior' > This may be putting the cart before the horse, but has any work been > done on the artwork? Is the same cast of wonderfully talented > characters working on the artwork this time? Same people as before, and you can see a rough preview of some of the covers here: http://www.croydon-cad.com/maff/tdtree/tt2prev/index.htm I'm drooling already! Printing and setting the covers was half the fun for me on TT1. I even bought a new printer just for that (and upcoming) projects! - jim Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33936 Re: Artwork Status for TT2 Robert Grabowsky Thu 5/16/2002 2 KB From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Thu May 16, 2002 12:12 am Subject: Vision Quest DVD Does anyone have this? Any cool features (i.e. isolated score) to make it worth buying? - jim __________________________________________________ Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia, USA moxica@m... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33937 Re: Vision Quest DVD Robert Grabowsky Thu 5/16/2002 2 KB 33939 Re: Vision Quest DVD Jim Moore Thu 5/16/2002 2 KB 33957 Re: Vision Quest DVD Michael A Jean Thu 5/16/2002 3 KB 33940 Re: Vision Quest DVD vic rek Thu 5/16/2002 3 KB From: Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid Date: Thu May 16, 2002 12:46 am Subject: Spherical Harmonics Hmm....i've only seen that one floating around.....been elusive for me........any chance someone out there has a decent copy of it avaliable...mp3, or otherwise? Contact me off-list if this is a possibility. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34039 Re: Spherical Harmonics chris towers Sat 5/18/2002 2 KB From: 'Owens, James' Date: Thu May 16, 2002 1:12 am Subject: RE: [tadream] DVD, CDrs I have a sampler DVD that has 'Canyon Carver' on it, along with stuff from 'The Mind's Eye', a selection from 'Desert Vision' by Lanz & Speer, and some other stuff. This makes it seem that the DVD rights were sold to somebody other than Miramar who would be releasing many of 'this kind' of video on DVD. > -----Original Message----- > From: Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid > Canyon Dreams might be impossible to get now....Miramar went > out of business over > a year ago.....which explains why I was never able to get the > Chronos DVD > (another Miramar video release)....but...at least Chronos is > in the process of > being resurrected Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33942 Re: DVD, CDrs coldwatercanyon Thu 5/16/2002 3 KB From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Thu May 16, 2002 1:13 am Subject: Re: R: [tadream] re: the la Folia section of Force Majeure In a message dated 5/15/02 3:07:04 PM Pacific Daylight Time, michaeljean@e... writes: << I am glad to see another fan of Corelli on the list! MJ >> Make that three! Poly Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33953 Re: R: [tadream] re: the la Folia section of Forc Simon Pride Thu 5/16/2002 2 KB From: Robert Grabowsky Date: Thu May 16, 2002 1:33 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Artwork Status for TT2 The artwork looks great!!!!! However the back of 11 should be made the front cover and I think it would make a cool label too. THE HIGHLANDER From: Robert Grabowsky Date: Thu May 16, 2002 1:35 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Vision Quest DVD No isolated score, sorry and I have only watched an hour(maybe) and only heard about a minute or 2 of TD so far. THE HIGHLANDER At 08:12 PM 5/15/02 -0400, you wrote: >Does anyone have this? Any cool features (i.e. isolated score) to make >it worth buying? > >- jim > >__________________________________________________ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33939 Re: Vision Quest DVD Jim Moore Thu 5/16/2002 2 KB 33957 Re: Vision Quest DVD Michael A Jean Thu 5/16/2002 3 KB From: Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid Date: Thu May 16, 2002 1:48 am Subject: Re: [tadream] DVD, CDrs Some of those DVDs are still avaliable...in extremely limited numbers...for example...Beyond The Mind's Eye...Tower Records claimed to have a few (read: 5 at most) copies of it in one of their warehouses.......your best bet would probably be to try some of the used CD shops, which also carry used DVDs. 'Owens, James' wrote: > I have a sampler DVD that has 'Canyon Carver' on it, along with stuff from > 'The Mind's Eye', a selection from 'Desert Vision' by Lanz & Speer, and some > other stuff. This makes it seem that the DVD rights were sold to somebody > other than Miramar who would be releasing many of 'this kind' of video on > DVD. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid > > Canyon Dreams might be impossible to get now....Miramar went > > out of business over > > a year ago.....which explains why I was never able to get the > > Chronos DVD > > (another Miramar video release)....but...at least Chronos is > > in the process of > > being resurrected > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Thu May 16, 2002 2:29 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Vision Quest DVD >No isolated score, sorry and I have only watched an hour(maybe) and only heard about a >minute or 2 of TD so far. I recall the music only appears in the match scenes (and it's the same music, too). So you're not missing much. But as much emphasis was placed on the other musical artists in the movie, I wondered if there'd be that option... - jim Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33957 Re: Vision Quest DVD Michael A Jean Thu 5/16/2002 3 KB From: 'vic rek' Date: Thu May 16, 2002 2:30 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Vision Quest DVD Funny you ask this question Jim. I just watched it yesterday, but unfortunately there are NO extra features, trailers, etc. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Moore To: Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 8:12 PM Subject: [tadream] Vision Quest DVD > Does anyone have this? Any cool features (i.e. isolated score) to make > it worth buying? > > - jim > > __________________________________________________ > Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia, USA > moxica@m... > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: tadreaming@c... Date: Thu May 16, 2002 5:50 am Subject: Three Phase Video I have Three Phase on Laser disc and a DVD recorder if anyone is interested. I would consider trades. I transfered it from laser to DVD for myself, and looks excellent. Martyn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33951 Re: Three Phase Video chris towers Thu 5/16/2002 2 KB 33960 AW: [tadream] Three Phase Video Herbert Thu 5/16/2002 3 KB 34064 Re: Three Phase Video Jonathan Holt Mon 5/20/2002 3 KB From: coldwatercanyon Date: Thu May 16, 2002 6:05 am Subject: Re: RE: [tadream] DVD, CDrs This DVD release is called 'Decade'. Here in Hong Kong it is also scarce. The Hong KOng version has a dark silver cover, so I believe it looks different from the US release. Jeffrey -----Original Message----- From: 'Owens, James' To: ''tadream@yahoogroups.com'' Subject: RE: [tadream] DVD, CDrs Date: Thu May 16 09:12:26 HKT 2002 I have a sampler DVD that has 'Canyon Carver' on it, along with stuff from 'The Mind's Eye', a selection from 'Desert Vision' by Lanz & Speer, and some other stuff. This makes it seem that the DVD rights were sold to somebody other than Miramar who would be releasing many of 'this kind' of video on DVD. > -----Original Message----- > From: Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid > Canyon Dreams might be impossible to get now....Miramar went > out of business over > a year ago.....which explains why I was never able to get the > Chronos DVD > (another Miramar video release)....but...at least Chronos is > in the process of > being resurrected ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ -------------------- This email service is provided by So-net HK. Apply Now to be our members. From: Morgan Feldon Date: Thu May 16, 2002 7:00 am Subject: OT: Werner Seelenbinder 1990 See, already I have to change something in my list. I've got the 3rd generation FM radio of Werner Seelenbinder 1990. It's pretty good but has some problems. There is a 1st generation FM radio copy. We'll see it on the tree no doubt... -Morgan From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Thu May 16, 2002 7:24 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: [tangerinedream] Tangerine Tree's 2 & 3 & ........ > Ultimately every TD concert in history will come out as a Tangerine Tree. errm..... I don't believe there is big demand for hearing every single fantape from the 1990, 1992 or 1997 concert tours, and finding the 'source' (master tape recordings or direct copies thereof) can be quite difficult as they don't grow on trees (pun intended ;-) For me the most important aspect and criteria is the sound quality, and still will be. I think it's enough if we include only one or two recordings from the above mentioned tours, since the music played within a concert tour was basically identical. As most of you will know this wasn't the case with TD's live concerts up to 1978, during the 70s each concert was more less improvisational and 'unique'. And this is the period which I think the Tangerine Tree should focus upon. But of course my words are not carved in stone, and things may change. > The simple fact of the matter is, original fantapes are being discovered in > drawers and closets left and right and slowly being released from the > diehard collectors and recording archivists. It's not so much about discovering these fantapes (most of them were in possession for a long time), but to get things organized in the best possible way. That's why we have several people who are remastering these concerts for me, and I can't praise them high enough for what they have done so far, the results are exceptional when you compare the remastered versions to the originals. Just wait for the 2nd Tangerine Tree and I think you will agree with me, I am much more confident about the new batch than I was about TT1. > But at the same time, I'm happy because we are finally getting something that > doesn't > sound it's been run over by a truck and recorded in a swimming pool. LOL. > The planned contents of Tangerine Tree #2 were posted to tadream a few > weeks ago and already a list of what will be in Tangerine Tree #3 is under > way. I think the choice of 1981 concert might change for TT2, but the > others are set in stone. It's a fact that the best recording we'll ever > hear of Apr 2, 1975 Royal Albert Hall is going to be Tangerine Tree volume > 9. And a great 1976 show in very good quality (8/10 after remastering?) > will be coming--aka Mannheim 76 (I brought a few of these which I > remastered to Okefenokee). the following concerts will form the 2nd Tangerine Tree: Volume 9: London Royal Albert Hall 02 April 1975 (CDR copy of BBC master tape, plus audience master tape) Volume 10: Newcastle City Hall 25 October 1981 (audience master tape) Volume 11: Birmingham Odeon 17 March 1986 (2nd gen mixing desk or audience..I'm still not sure what it is exactly ;-) Volume 12: Croydon Fairfield Hall 31 October 1982 (audience master tape) ##this replaces the 'Lone tracks' 2CDR compilation## Volume 13: Mannheim Mozartsaal 31 October 1976 / Saarbrücken Universität 24 January 1976 (both audience master tapes) Volume 14: Paris Bataclan 02 February 1981 (audience master tape) Volume 15: Warsaw Most Swietokrzyski 31 August 2001 (soundboard recording, main set) Volume 16: Warsaw Most Swietokrzyski 31 August 2001 (encores & excerpts from press conference 30 August ) #redbook branches will need 15 CDRs (74 minute cdrs will do!) I don't know the number of SHN CDRs yet ## I can't give you an outlook on forthcoming 'Trees' yet as there will always be some changes in the list of concerts. At the moment this is what I am hoping to include: --20 April 1997 Amsterdam Melkweg Max DAT master --31 January 1980 Berlin Palast der Republik evening show FM broadcast --Lone tracks (maybe as an expanded 3 CDR version) --Osaka Festival Hall 28 June 1983 (just maybe, and only if I get the allowance from the 'source') --Paris Palais du Sport 22 November 1976 (1st gen.) --Manchester Hardrock 19 October 1975 (1st gen.) etc etc. etc. ..lots of others to choose from. Best regards Heiko From: Armin Theissen Date: Thu May 16, 2002 7:26 am Subject: m. Hi, did anybody wonder about the dedication on 'Inferno': 'This record is for M. in Allabmahs' I guess M. stands for Monique/Monica. What is Allabmahs? a. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33946 Re: m. heineu Thu 5/16/2002 2 KB 33947 Re: m. Synthhtnys@a... Thu 5/16/2002 2 KB 34136 Re: m. yanx_88 Sun 5/26/2002 3 KB 33952 Re: m. Armin Theissen Thu 5/16/2002 3 KB 33954 Re: m. Phil White Thu 5/16/2002 2 KB 33956 Re: m. heineu Thu 5/16/2002 3 KB 33958 Re: m. John Vertical Thu 5/16/2002 3 KB 33959 Re: m. Administrator for kay-net.com Thu 5/16/2002 3 KB From: 'heineu' Date: Thu May 16, 2002 7:58 am Subject: Re: m. Hello, this message 'dedicated to M.' I found on the last Cd Releases on TDI. But I dont know what he mean with 'Allabmahs'. Regards heiko www.opticaldream.de --- In tadream@y..., Armin Theissen wrote: > > Hi, > > did anybody wonder about the dedication on 'Inferno': > > 'This record is for M. in Allabmahs' > > I guess M. stands for Monique/Monica. What is Allabmahs? > > a. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 > SUN Microsystems Ireland > > 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' > - Woody Allen From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Thu May 16, 2002 8:06 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: m. In a message dated 5/16/2002 3:00:34 AM Central Daylight Time, heiko@o... writes: > this message 'dedicated to M.' I found on the last Cd Releases on TDI. > > But I dont know what he mean with 'Allabmahs'. > > Regards > heiko > No one noticed it's Shamballa spelled backwards? Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34136 Re: m. yanx_88 Sun 5/26/2002 3 KB From: 'duncan mckee' Date: Thu May 16, 2002 8:30 am Subject: legend ultimate dvd hi everyone i have just recieved the legend ultimate dvd this morning, it has an isolated score by tangerine dream, which is very easy to remove from the DVD :-) , i have not checked to see if there is any new music included yet but there is a re-creation of the faerie dance using rare photos, storyboards and orignal music. there is also an alternate opening with the four goblins, not sure if the music is different here. Duncan McKee tangram@t... www.tadream.co.uk ICQ 41739379 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33969 Re: legend ultimate dvd Dave Brewer Thu 5/16/2002 3 KB 33970 AW: [tadream] legend ultimate dvd Herbert Fri 5/17/2002 3 KB From: Morgan Feldon Date: Thu May 16, 2002 8:33 am Subject: Tangerine Tree Heiko, I like the changes on the next tree! Including Saarbrucken. Again, it's a matter sound quality, so it makes sense to bundle it on the CDR with Mannheim. Yes, I understand that for the 1988 tour, At the Mountains of Madness (Keen Auricle) will probably suffice, for the 1990 tour, one or two recordings will do the trick (of course Werner Seelenbinder 1st gen!!, the 1992 tour, 1997 tour, etc. >--31 January 1980 Berlin Palast der Republik evening show FM broadcast Lifted Curtain, after a trip to the dry cleaners? :) :) >--Osaka Festival Hall 28 June 1983 (just maybe, and only if I get the >allowance >from the 'source') I think Al's spidey-sense is tingling! >--Paris Palais du Sport 22 November 1976 (1st gen.) Heaven! I think Neal Frost had a very valid question, namely 'What should I wait for and what should I go ahead and get?' -Morgan From: chris towers Date: Thu May 16, 2002 8:40 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: DVD, CDrs Thanks for all the feedback on that folks, ill get looking into it, thanks again Chris --- hyperboreauk wrote: > --- In tadream@y..., Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid > Hi I got Canyon Dreams on DVD about a month ago from > play.com and > they are still showing it in stock at the moment. > Cheers Gary > > www.hyperborea.v21net.co.uk > > > wrote: > > Canyon Dreams might be impossible to get > now....Miramar went out of > business over > > a year ago.....which explains why I was never able > to get the > Chronos DVD > > (another Miramar video release)....but...at least > Chronos is in the > process of > > being resurrected > > > > quarlie@a... wrote: > > > > > In a message dated 5/15/02 10:35:10 AM, > cjt999fire2000@y... > writes: > > > > > > >Does anyone know where i can get my hands on > Three > > > >Phase, Canyon Dreams, Oasis and Rumpelstiltskin > on > > > >DVD?? I have them on Video but want to get them > on > > > >better quality formats.. > > > > > > Oasis (as well as the Video Dream Mixes and What > a Blast) can be > bought on > > > DVD from CDnow. Not sure where you could get > Canyon Dreams or > > > Rumpelstiltskin. I'm pretty certain that Three > Phase has not come > out on DVD, > > > although there was a laserdisc version (now out > of print). > > > > > > --Daniel > > > NP: Anubian Lights - Naz Bar > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@y... > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From: chris towers Date: Thu May 16, 2002 8:41 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Three Phase Video Yeah im interested in that one. Let me know more details...... Chris --- tadreaming@c... wrote: > I have Three Phase on Laser disc and a DVD recorder > if anyone is interested. > I would consider trades. I transfered it from laser > to DVD for myself, and > looks excellent. > > Martyn > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From: Armin Theissen Date: Thu May 16, 2002 8:56 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: m. Shamballa, 'the place where the wise ones dwell'..... To be honest, I have a strange feeling about these quotes. But I close this topic for me here. armin > > > this message 'dedicated to M.' I found on the last Cd Releases on TDI. > > > > But I dont know what he mean with 'Allabmahs'. > > > > Regards > > heiko > > > > No one noticed it's Shamballa spelled backwards? > Poly > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen From: 'Simon Pride' Date: Thu May 16, 2002 9:43 am Subject: RE: R: [tadream] re: the la Folia section of Force Majeure > -----Original Message----- > From: Synthhtnys@a... [mailto:Synthhtnys@a...] > Sent: 16 May 2002 02:13 > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: R: [tadream] re: the la Folia section of Force Majeure > > > In a message dated 5/15/02 3:07:04 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > michaeljean@e... writes: > > << I am glad to see another fan of Corelli on the list! > > MJ > >> > > Make that three! > Poly Four. And Vivaldi's version rocks too. -- S From: 'Phil White' Date: Thu May 16, 2002 9:50 am Subject: Re: [tadream] m. Hi, Maybe if you read the word backwards enlightenment could be within your grasp....... ;o) Regards Phil Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33956 Re: m. heineu Thu 5/16/2002 3 KB From: 'richter_arne' Date: Thu May 16, 2002 10:02 am Subject: Re: quichotte / pergamon --- In tadream@y..., 'fozziebear' wrote: > Isn't Pergamon the site of an ancient Hellenic civilisation somewhere in Greece? No, it (originally called Pergamum) is the site of an ancient Hellenic civilisation in what is now Turkey. The place still exists, today's name is BERGAMA (hey, isn't that the name of another TD boot?) > I saw an archaelogical programme about it some time ago. Didn't it have complex marble buildings which were copied for the Berlin museum? No, it had complex marble buildings which were removed and brought to the Berlin museum (the originals, no copies) in 1902. Specifically, almost the entire temple of Pergamon, where according to christian belief 'Satan was defeated' (book of revelations), is now located in Berlin. When you travel to Bergama, Turkey, you see a bunch of small ruins and lots of big signs everywhere that say 'this was the site of such and such which can now be seen in Berlin, Germany'. Arne From: 'heineu' Date: Thu May 16, 2002 2:45 pm Subject: Re: m. Hello, so on following link you can read more about SHAMBALLA: http://www.lucistrust.org/arcane/shambpamp1.shtml#top Definitions Shamballa is simply a word conveying the idea of a vast focal point of energies which are assembled and brought together by the planetary Logos in order to create a manifestation adequate to His unfolding intention and planetary service. (Discipleship in the New Age, Vol. II, p. 404) Shamballa is a state of consciousness or a phase of sensitive awareness wherein there is acute and dynamic response to divine purpose--a response made possible by the synthesis of purpose and of spiritual relationship which exists between those who are associated with Sanat Kumara. (The Rays and the Initiations, p. 276) about SHAMBALLA no more words from me. Regards heiko - mr. Optical www.opticaldream.de www.tribute-to-ashra.de --- In tadream@y..., 'Phil White' wrote: > Hi, > Maybe if you read the word backwards enlightenment could be within > your grasp....... ;o) > > Regards > > Phil From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Thu May 16, 2002 3:30 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Vision Quest DVD I had free preview tix for that movie when it came out in 1985 and was glad be mong the first to hear the new TD music. I was also thrilled that a S/T was being released. Imagine my disappointment, when no TD was on the album... Though Madonna was there...;^) > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Moore [mailto:moxica@m...] > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 10:30 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [tadream] Vision Quest DVD > > > > >No isolated score, sorry and I have only watched an hour(maybe) and > only heard about a >minute or 2 of TD so far. > > I recall the music only appears in the match scenes (and it's the same > music, too). So you're not missing much. But as much emphasis was > placed on the other musical artists in the movie, I wondered if there'd > be that option... > > - jim > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'John Vertical' Date: Thu May 16, 2002 5:07 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: m. >Shamballa is simply a word conveying the idea of a vast focal point >of energies which are assembled and brought together by the planetary >Logos in order to create a manifestation adequate to His unfolding >intention and planetary service. > >(Discipleship in the New Age, Vol. II, p. 404) > >Shamballa is a state of consciousness or a phase of sensitive >awareness wherein there is acute and dynamic response to divine >purpose--a response made possible by the synthesis of purpose and of >spiritual relationship which exists between those who are associated >with Sanat Kumara. > >(The Rays and the Initiations, p. 276) OK, so I guess it is now official that TD is New Age music? I'd've suggested that it's an anagram. Here're a few possibilites... --- Samba Hall Halma Slab (halma is a type of board game) Ham as Ball Hal Balsam Bash a Mall Al Has Lamb --- John Vertical np: Brother or Stranger, from EO. What cruel joke is this?? _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Thu May 16, 2002 5:21 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: m. 'OK, so I guess it is now official that TD is New Age music?' New Age? Just what is this New Age? The word 'Shamballa' is older than TD and most of us as well (well not us aliens anyway). Just what are you trying to say? ;-) dale Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'John Vertical' To: Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 10:07 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: m. > >Shamballa is simply a word conveying the idea of a vast focal point > >of energies which are assembled and brought together by the planetary > >Logos in order to create a manifestation adequate to His unfolding > >intention and planetary service. > > > >(Discipleship in the New Age, Vol. II, p. 404) > > > >Shamballa is a state of consciousness or a phase of sensitive > >awareness wherein there is acute and dynamic response to divine > >purpose--a response made possible by the synthesis of purpose and of > >spiritual relationship which exists between those who are associated > >with Sanat Kumara. > > > >(The Rays and the Initiations, p. 276) > > > OK, so I guess it is now official that TD is New Age music? > > I'd've suggested that it's an anagram. Here're a few possibilites... From: 'Herbert' Date: Thu May 16, 2002 5:42 pm Subject: AW: [tadream] Three Phase Video Hi, I would be greatly interested, because I await an DVD release of this concert already for a long time. To come to trading: I'm collecting TD (and others) mainly as MP3s. Maybe we could find something there or some other way. Thanks in advance Herbert > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > Von: tadreaming@c... [mailto:tadreaming@c...] > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 16. Mai 2002 07:50 > An: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Betreff: [tadream] Three Phase Video > > > I have Three Phase on Laser disc and a DVD recorder if anyone > is interested. > I would consider trades. I transfered it from laser to DVD > for myself, and > looks excellent. > > Martyn > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Herbert' Date: Thu May 16, 2002 5:42 pm Subject: Rückruf: [tadream] Three Phase Video Herbert möchte die Nachricht '[tadream] Three Phase Video' zurückrufen. From: 'tei waz' Date: Thu May 16, 2002 5:45 pm Subject: good vs bad >Edgar noted how silly that system is, he would distinguish between 'good 'and 'bad' music, where good is everything where you feel some degree of honesty. Now, where would TD's manipulated live copy-and-pastings fall into ????< obviously 'good' and 'bad' editing. --T np TG In The Shadow of the Sun _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From: 'fozziebear' Date: Thu May 16, 2002 6:08 pm Subject: re m So do you think Shamballah describes Inferno well? God that print is small on the CD booklet, nearly had to get the microscope out. David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33979 Re: re m Armin Theissen Fri 5/17/2002 3 KB From: 'Alessandro' Date: Thu May 16, 2002 9:30 pm Subject: R: R: [tadream] re: the la Folia section of Force Majeure Corelli's version of La Folia is indeed my favorite but he did not compose the original theme. He certainly wrote an amazing set of variations though! The origin dates back before Corelli's time in the area of Spain or Portugal and the true composer is not known. You are right that Corelli's version can be found in the Violin Sonata that you mentioned. Of the many versions of this 'Theme and Variations' that I have heard, I like Corelli's the best with Francesco Geminiani coming in 2nd. Oscar http://www.TheVirtualBiz.com/ I know that Corelli didn't compose the original theme of la Folia and I know also that La Folia was an ancient Portuguese dance, I wanted just say that the Folia theme used by TD in Force Majeure is the Corelli variation of the original theme. I'm agree with you about the Francesco Geminiani, but his composition was a variation of Corelli's theme. Alessandro ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Liondream@a... Date: Thu May 16, 2002 9:52 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1345 <<>> Shamballa spelled backwards? Thought I think it's normally spelled Shambhalla in English. From: Liondream@a... Date: Thu May 16, 2002 9:54 pm Subject: Shamballa Oops... I think I may have zipped my response off without changing the subject line. I'm very sorry about that!!! And... I'm in digest mode here, so all of you 'enlightened ones' are already way ahead of me in responding to that question. Oh well!!! :-) From: Liondream@a... Date: Thu May 16, 2002 9:58 pm Subject: New Age So is 'New Age' for that matter... A.R. Orage edited a literary journal named The New Age back in the '20s. And all of this 'new age' thought business was going on in Russia over 100 years ago, so we should really be calling it 'Old Age!' :-) << Subject: Re: Re: m. 'OK, so I guess it is now official that TD is New Age music?' New Age? Just what is this New Age? The word 'Shamballa' is older than TD and most of us as well (well not us aliens anyway). Just what are you trying to say? ;-) dale>>> From: Liondream@a... Date: Thu May 16, 2002 10:00 pm Subject: 'good' vs. 'bad' For me it would have to do with the quality of feeling and intention with which one struck the ctrl-v and ctrl-c keys! (Read command-v and command-c if you're on the Mac!) :-) << Subject: good vs bad >Edgar noted how silly that system is, he would distinguish between 'good 'and 'bad' music, where good is everything where you feel some degree of honesty. Now, where would TD's manipulated live copy-and-pastings fall into ????< obviously 'good' and 'bad' editing. --T np TG In The Shadow of the Sun>>> Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33971 Re: 'good' vs. 'bad' Admin Fri 5/17/2002 4 KB From: 'Dave Brewer' Date: Thu May 16, 2002 11:40 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] legend ultimate dvd >hi everyone >i have just recieved the legend ultimate dvd this morning, it has an isolated score by tangerine dream, which is very easy to remove from the DVD :-) , i have not checked to see if there is any new music included yet but there is a re-creation of the faerie dance using rare photos, storyboards and orignal music. >there is also an alternate opening with the four goblins, not sure if the music is different here. > >Duncan McKee You lucky dog! That's not fair that you get it first and you're not even in region 1! ;-) I've had it on preorder for a couple of months now, and hopefully I'll get it no later than the street date (next Tuesday). I would imagine that the isolated score is still a bit hard to listen to, given the crappy editing that was done to it. Though, I'll probably still copy it to minidisc. I'm really looking forward to watching the extended cut. Dave B. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33970 AW: [tadream] legend ultimate dvd Herbert Fri 5/17/2002 3 KB From: 'Herbert' Date: Fri May 17, 2002 1:38 am Subject: AW: [tadream] legend ultimate dvd i've ordered mine too today. play.com (in GB) seems to ship the DVD already these days while the others (in the US) are waiting for the US release date (21.5.). Herbert > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > Von: Dave Brewer [mailto:deibu@i...] > Gesendet: Freitag, 17. Mai 2002 01:40 > An: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Betreff: Re: [tadream] legend ultimate dvd > > > >hi everyone > >i have just recieved the legend ultimate dvd this morning, it has an > isolated score by tangerine dream, which is very easy to > remove from the DVD > :-) , i have not checked to see if there is any new music > included yet but > there is a re-creation of the faerie dance using rare > photos, storyboards > and orignal music. > >there is also an alternate opening with the four goblins, > not sure if the > music is different here. > > > >Duncan McKee > > You lucky dog! That's not fair that you get it first and > you're not even in > region 1! ;-) I've had it on preorder for a couple of months now, and > hopefully I'll get it no later than the street date (next > Tuesday). I would > imagine that the isolated score is still a bit hard to listen > to, given the > crappy editing that was done to it. Though, I'll probably > still copy it to > minidisc. I'm really looking forward to watching the extended cut. > > Dave B. > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Admin' Date: Fri May 17, 2002 4:19 am Subject: Re: [tadream] 'good' vs. 'bad' Wait... would this have to do with anything like playing all in minor keys? Good / bad or maybe the Good the Bad and the Ugly? Hey wait, that might imply that bad isn't ugly or good isn't ugly or ugly is just ugly?? or maybe it is just the opposite? Seriously, it would be up to the creator of the piece to term it good or bad. What we as viewers see it is another world. So if Edgar wished to cut and paste here and there, and he is happy with it, then that is great. If we view it as bad, that is our opinions. Which count? Both? only one or a little of each? I buy TD because it is TD. I might not like (and very true here) everyone thing I hear. I do enjoy what I do like a lot. So if I had to wade thru two stacks of music, termed good and bad. You will find me wading thru two stacks of music. Just like I do not listen to critics about movies much either. ;-) rr r r rr rrrrrr I got me good eye out today... dale ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 3:00 PM Subject: [tadream] 'good' vs. 'bad' > For me it would have to do with the quality of feeling and intention with which one struck the ctrl-v and ctrl-c keys! > > (Read command-v and command-c if you're on the Mac!) > > :-) > > > << Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 10:45:17 -0700 > From: 'tei waz' > Subject: good vs bad > > >Edgar noted how silly that > system is, he would distinguish between 'good 'and 'bad' music, > where good is everything where you feel some degree of honesty. > > Now, where would TD's manipulated live copy-and-pastings fall into ????< > > obviously 'good' and 'bad' editing. > > --T > > np TG In The Shadow of the Sun>>> > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Admin' Date: Fri May 17, 2002 4:26 am Subject: Back to the matter at hand, TWTIII Is there going to be a DWT III? I got a few posts back. Lots of ideas. Who is game? Is the game a foot? I beg all those who are involved in DWT and DWT II to speak up, make a effort, move in some general direction but move. dale Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33974 Re: Back to the matter at hand, TWTIII Synthhtnys@a... Fri 5/17/2002 2 KB 33982 Re: Back to the matter at hand, TWTIII Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid Fri 5/17/2002 3 KB 33986 Re: Back to the matter at hand, TWTIII Gustavo Jobim Fri 5/17/2002 2 KB 33987 Re: Back to the matter at hand, TWTIII jerome Fri 5/17/2002 2 KB 33996 Re: Back to the matter at hand, TWTIII Administrator for kay-net.com Fri 5/17/2002 3 KB 33999 Re: Back to the matter at hand, TWTIII Administrator for kay-net.com Fri 5/17/2002 4 KB 34019 Re: Back to the matter at hand, TWTIII Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid Fri 5/17/2002 4 KB 34022 Re: Back to the matter at hand, TWTIII Administrator for kay-net.com Fri 5/17/2002 5 KB From: 'Admin' Date: Fri May 17, 2002 4:35 am Subject: Monday The 20th is rapidly on it's way. That day is special. This is the day I get the A5000. I already started a collection of things I found on the net to use. Has anybody noticed Carvin's new amp? 4 channels in one rack unit? 1000 watts each channel or bridge it for more? With 6 outs of the A5000, I think I can more rapidly do a surround effect. The possibilities of doing Tanagram in 3d come to mind first. ;-) dale From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Fri May 17, 2002 5:13 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Back to the matter at hand, TWTIII In a message dated 5/16/02 9:22:53 PM Pacific Daylight Time, admin@k... writes: << I beg all those who are involved in DWT and DWT II to speak up, make a effort, move in some general direction but move. dale >> Why the rush? Poly From: Art Of Vision Date: Fri May 17, 2002 6:31 am Subject: Logos Now I know that actually people can fly... At least, while listening to Logos (part one) :o) ArtOfVision __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33988 Re: Logos zathrus13 Fri 5/17/2002 2 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Fri May 17, 2002 7:05 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Logos > Now I know that actually people can fly... > At least, while listening to Logos (part one) > :o) I had the same feeling when I first listened to 'Logos'..this was the first TD album I bought in 1983, and it's still among my most favourite albums ever. Although the music is almost 20 years old it doesn't sound dated at all...the Froese/Franke/Schmoelling line-up was inredible!! :-) Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33977 Re: Logos TheInfection Fri 5/17/2002 2 KB 34012 Re: Logos convention24 Fri 5/17/2002 2 KB 34201 Re: Logos Miguel Farah Sun 6/2/2002 3 KB From: TheInfection Date: Fri May 17, 2002 7:43 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Logos > > Now I know that actually people can fly... > > At least, while listening to Logos (part one) > > :o) Actually I floated around when I heard it last summer. > I had the same feeling when I first listened to > 'Logos'..this was the first > TD album I bought in 1983, and it's still among my > most favourite albums > ever. Although the music is almost 20 years old it > doesn't sound dated at > all...the Froese/Franke/Schmoelling line-up was > inredible!! :-) The first few minutes I was expecting something complitely different and then I was blown away. The best moment is after the 'wake-up' -part. Regards, TheInfection ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From: 'John Vertical' Date: Fri May 17, 2002 10:17 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Logos >The >best moment is after the 'wake-up' -part. Please excuse a dumb question, but which one exactly is the 'wake-up'? The one with the soft drumbeat and the wonderful instrumental solo, the weird sound effects during the organ section, or what? TD's homepage says it's in 'the 2nd quarter', but of Part 1 or of the whole Logos? John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From: Armin Theissen Date: Fri May 17, 2002 10:25 am Subject: Re: [tadream] re m ok, I said I'd not dive deeper into this, but now I do... on DMIII is another mysterious dedication to M. (still guess its Monique/Monika). Something like '...to you in ethereal love' a. > > So do you think Shamballah describes Inferno well? > > > God that print is small on the CD booklet, nearly had to get the microscope out. > > David > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen From: Armin Theissen Date: Fri May 17, 2002 10:27 am Subject: Re: R: R: [tadream] re: the la Folia section of Force Majeure Hi, is this on Corelli's Violin Sonata No. 5 ? Anybody has a list of decent recordings of this? a. > > Corelli's version of La Folia is indeed my favorite but he did not > compose > the original theme. He certainly wrote an amazing set of variations > though! The origin dates back before Corelli's time in the area of > Spain > or Portugal and the true composer is not known. You are right that > Corelli's version can be found in the Violin Sonata that you mentioned. > Of > the many versions of this 'Theme and Variations' that I have heard, I > like > Corelli's the best with Francesco Geminiani coming in 2nd. > > Oscar > http://www.TheVirtualBiz.com/ > > I know that Corelli didn't compose the original theme of la Folia and I > know also that La Folia was an ancient Portuguese dance, I wanted just > say that the Folia theme used by TD in Force Majeure is the Corelli > variation of the original theme. I'm agree with you about the Francesco > Geminiani, but his composition was a variation of Corelli's theme. > > Alessandro > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Fri May 17, 2002 10:35 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Logos In a message dated 5/17/2002 5:18:39 AM Central Daylight Time, johnvertical@h... writes: > Please excuse a dumb question, but which one exactly is the 'wake-up'? *Listen again and you'll hear a sample of a voice saying 'wake up' right after this rhythm part.... it goes: chika-chika-chika WAKE UP! Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid Date: Fri May 17, 2002 10:56 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Back to the matter at hand, TWTIII According to an email I got from Yannick not too long ago, there will be a DWT 3.....i'm all set to record 2 traks for it as of this email. Admin wrote: > Is there going to be a DWT III? > I got a few posts back. Lots of ideas. Who is game? Is the game a foot? > > I beg all those who are involved in DWT and DWT II to speak up, make a > effort, move in some general direction but move. > > dale > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33986 Re: Back to the matter at hand, TWTIII Gustavo Jobim Fri 5/17/2002 2 KB 33987 Re: Back to the matter at hand, TWTIII jerome Fri 5/17/2002 2 KB From: Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid Date: Fri May 17, 2002 10:57 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Logos Logos just plain kicks-ass! TheInfection wrote: > > > Now I know that actually people can fly... > > > At least, while listening to Logos (part one) > > > :o) > > Actually I floated around when I heard it last summer. > > > I had the same feeling when I first listened to > > 'Logos'..this was the first > > TD album I bought in 1983, and it's still among my > > most favourite albums > > ever. Although the music is almost 20 years old it > > doesn't sound dated at > > all...the Froese/Franke/Schmoelling line-up was > > inredible!! :-) > > The first few minutes I was expecting something > complitely different and then I was blown away. The > best moment is after the 'wake-up' -part. > > Regards, > TheInfection > > ===== > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience > http://launch.yahoo.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Morgan Feldon Date: Fri May 17, 2002 11:03 am Subject: Logos 'Wake Up' >John Vertical said: >Please excuse a dumb question, but which one exactly is the 'wake-up'? The >one with the soft drumbeat and the wonderful instrumental solo, the weird >sound effects during the organ section, or what? It's a voice sample of someone saying 'Wake up'. Off to the headphone shoppe for you! Regardless of which version of Logos you have, 13:58-19:55 Logos 'Wake Up' 19:56-25:20 Logos 'Blue' Logos 'Blue' is widely considered the crown jewel of the 1982 October-November tour (and also heard in the some 83 shows, and reprised in a remixed form for nearly every concert tour from 1988 to 2000). >TD's homepage says it's in >'the 2nd quarter', but of Part 1 or of the whole Logos? It's the 2nd quarter of the SBM edition of the CD. That CD is ~50 minutes long; 50 divided by 4 = 12.5. So they're right to suggest you look for it in the 12 1/2 - 25 minutes region. But this note is not very useful for people who have the original pressing of Logos on CD, with the break at 25 minutes in! Not only does the SBM edition erase this unnecessary gap at the 25 minute mark, but it also improves upon the sound quality. And for the obligatory Concert notation, Logos contains 50 minutes of music, mostly unretouched, from a tour whose shortest shows were 1 hour 40 minutes, 24 minutes of which have never been properly released. The rest of this is, admittedly, aurally pleasing live versions of tracks from Exit and White Eagle. -Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33989 Re: Logos 'Wake Up' John Vertical Fri 5/17/2002 3 KB 33990 Re: Logos 'Wake Up' mars103nl Fri 5/17/2002 2 KB 33992 Re: Logos 'Wake Up' Antonio Nunes Fri 5/17/2002 2 KB 34006 Re: Logos 'Wake Up' Marcel Engels Fri 5/17/2002 2 KB 34000 Re: Logos 'Wake Up' Paul Fellows Fri 5/17/2002 2 KB 34001 Re: Logos 'Wake Up' atye@a... Fri 5/17/2002 2 KB 34007 Re: Logos 'Wake Up' Paul Fellows Fri 5/17/2002 2 KB 34015 Re: Logos 'Wake Up' Synthhtnys@a... Fri 5/17/2002 2 KB 34067 Re: Logos 'Wake Up' Adele Outland Mon 5/20/2002 2 KB From: Morgan Feldon Date: Fri May 17, 2002 11:10 am Subject: Logos 'Blue' >I said: >in the some 83 shows (yes, I'm talking to myself) Rule #20491 don't expect grammar of any sort at 6am. I should have gone ahead and put in the detail of when this track was heard in 1983... At the Fassbinder memorial concert on June 11, 1983. And at the (5) TD shows in Japan in June 1983, in the 2nd set. -Morgan P.S. (5) shows in Japan? Another TD mystery which can only be resolved by finding lucky campers who attended these shows. This is a VitD vs. newspaper clippings issue. From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Fri May 17, 2002 6:21 pm Subject: Re: Back to the matter at hand, TWTIII And I will most certainly create something specially for DWT3 too. Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid: > According to an email I got from Yannick not too long ago, there will be a > DWT 3.....i'm all set to record 2 traks for it as of this email. Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33987 Re: Back to the matter at hand, TWTIII jerome Fri 5/17/2002 2 KB From: jerome Date: Fri May 17, 2002 11:36 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Back to the matter at hand, TWTIII ionic's got a couple of tracks ready for DWT3 as well... jerome --- Gustavo Jobim wrote: > And I will most certainly create something specially for DWT3 too. > > Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid: > > According to an email I got from Yannick not too long ago, there will be a > > DWT 3.....i'm all set to record 2 traks for it as of this email. > > Gustavo Jobim > gustavojobim@n... > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From: 'zathrus13' Date: Fri May 17, 2002 11:38 am Subject: Re: Logos Do you all feel similarly about the boot 'Logotypes'??? ---Jeff --- In tadream@y..., Art Of Vision wrote: > Now I know that actually people can fly... > At least, while listening to Logos (part one) > :o) > > ArtOfVision > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience > http://launch.yahoo.com From: 'John Vertical' Date: Fri May 17, 2002 1:44 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Logos 'Wake Up' >It's a voice sample of someone saying 'Wake up'. Off to the headphone >shoppe for you! Doh. I always though that it was just another two clashes. And didn't realize either that it is _literally_ 'wake-up!' >It's the 2nd quarter of the SBM edition of the CD. That CD is ~50 minutes >long; 50 divided by 4 = 12.5. So they're right to suggest you look for it >in the 12 1/2 - 25 minutes region. > >But this note is not very useful for people who have the original pressing >of Logos on CD, with the break at 25 minutes in! Not only does the SBM >edition erase this unnecessary gap at the 25 minute mark, but it also >improves upon the sound quality. Actually, it's not very useful for anyone - the website lists Logos in the two-part form, so it is quite misleading. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33990 Re: Logos 'Wake Up' mars103nl Fri 5/17/2002 2 KB From: 'mars103nl' Date: Fri May 17, 2002 1:57 pm Subject: Re: Logos 'Wake Up' --- In tadream@y..., 'John Vertical' wrote: > >It's a voice sample of someone saying 'Wake up'. Off to the headphone > >shoppe for you! > > Doh. I always though that it was just another two clashes. And didn't > realize either that it is _literally_ 'wake-up!' I really doubt they're saying Wake-up! It doesn't really sound like that to me. I think it's not a word at all...just as they did on Tangram, White Eagle and others. To me it sounds like etha (only don't say it the american way). Logos...a fine, still adventurous, album. Together with Poland the last one. Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... From: Morgan Feldon Date: Fri May 17, 2002 1:56 pm Subject: Logotypes >zathrus13 said: > >Do you all feel similarly (actually people can fly) about the boot >'Logotypes'??? > > >---Jeff Re: Logotypes Not all of the music in the first set of these October-November 82 shows was as impressive as the music in the second set (which the official Logos CD mostly contains). However there are 4 themes in the first set which should have been released which were not. (Tangent pt 1 ended up being released on the Poland disc(s)). That leaves us with 3, plus the alternate version of Choronzon. If Edgar came to me and said, 'Ok smart guy, put together a disc of Logos from the master tape, but just put it on one CD,' well after I picked myself up off the floor, I'd include all the music on the current Logos release, except with the actual Nov 6 82 recording of the ending. Then I'd add 4 more tracks to it. If you have Logotypes handy, these are tracks 2, 3, 7, and I would put the second half of Choronzon (track 8)--the part that's more developed. That gives us 70 minutes. Then I'd beg Edgar to let me include two 1981 tour themes which have never been released to my knowledge as bonus tracks. For anyone who has a fall 81 audience tape handy, this is the music from about 21:00 to 32:00 (After Sobornost and before Bondy Parade). -Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33993 Re: Logotypes Dennis Nigbur Fri 5/17/2002 2 KB From: Antonio Nunes Date: Fri May 17, 2002 2:13 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Logos 'Wake Up' mars103nl wrote: > > I really doubt they're saying Wake-up! > It doesn't really sound like that to me. The official TD website says: ( http://www.tangerinedream.de/samples/logos.html ) 'On Logos, live in London, TD used the first sampling unit ever. Listen to the 2nd quarter of Logos- Part I and pay attention to the line »Wake-up!«.' Antonio Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34006 Re: Logos 'Wake Up' Marcel Engels Fri 5/17/2002 2 KB From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Fri May 17, 2002 2:19 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Logotypes On 17 May 2002 at 8:56, Morgan Feldon wrote: > picked myself up off the floor, I'd include all the music on the > current Logos release, except with the actual Nov 6 82 recording of > the ending. Is that the ending they used during the concert of the Hammersmith bootleg fame? That's still the best piece of Logos-esque melody I've heard in my life. Dennis From: Mark Filipak Date: Fri May 17, 2002 3:05 pm Subject: 'Poland' in 'Fassbinder' question Howdy! I'm listening to Fassbinder and the second half, except for the 'Flying Kamakazi' finale is 'from' Poland, the second part of track 1. But Fassbinder predates the Torwar Ice Stadium show (and the intervening Japan tour) by a 1/2 year (or by a 1/2 month in the case of Japan). My question is this: Is Fassbinder the first time this piece was played in public? (...anyone? Morgan?...) Ciao -- Mark -- The most exact clock possible is one that has stopped. It is exactly correct once (or twice) each day. _| My resume: http://home.earthlink.net/~filipak/resume |_ _| My music trade pages: http://home.earthlink.net/~filipak/music |_ | Last updated on 14 April 2002 | From: 'vic rek' Date: Fri May 17, 2002 3:06 pm Subject: Ricochet Gathering 2003 I just updated my webpage for Ricochet Gathering 2003 and my Tangerine Dream trade/want list at: http://akorn.net/~tangerinedream/ricochet.htm I hope to add links and other information about the 2002 event sometime soon. VicRek Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34031 Re: Ricochet Gathering 2003 quarlie@a... Sat 5/18/2002 2 KB From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Fri May 17, 2002 3:17 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Back to the matter at hand, TWTIII Who is rushing? I know if the ball isn't rolling, it wont get started. I like to plan and have projects moving. Even if they take 6 or more months. I hate it when you got 2 days. Dale Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 10:13 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Back to the matter at hand, TWTIII > In a message dated 5/16/02 9:22:53 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > admin@k... writes: > > << I beg all those who are involved in DWT and DWT II to speak up, make a > effort, move in some general direction but move. > > dale >> > > Why the rush? > Poly > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'duncan mckee' Date: Fri May 17, 2002 3:16 pm Subject: faerie dance from legend hi i have ripped and encoded the faerie dance clip from the legend ultimate edition dvd and uploaded it to my website tangram@t... it is in realvideo so the picture quality is no the best, but you can hear the audio OK, here is the shortcut for the lazy peolpe who cannot wait for my site to load :-) http://www.members.tripod.com/~duncanmckee/dance.rm the isolated score is infact a direct port from the cd, very annoying. the alternate beggining has music by jerry goldsmith so nothing new there. ENJOY!!!!!!!!! Duncan McKee tangram@t... www.tadream.co.uk ICQ 41739379 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34009 Re: faerie dance from legend Owens, James Fri 5/17/2002 2 KB From: Liondream@a... Date: Fri May 17, 2002 3:22 pm Subject: Logos 'wake up' Yipes, I always thought is was 'breakdown!' <<>> From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Fri May 17, 2002 3:27 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Back to the matter at hand, TWTIII You are way ahead of me already. 2 Tracks ready. I just don't want to run up on a dead line. Hence why I prodding now. dale Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid' To: Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 3:56 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Back to the matter at hand, TWTIII > According to an email I got from Yannick not too long ago, there will be a > DWT 3.....i'm all set to record 2 traks for it as of this email. > > > > Admin wrote: > > > Is there going to be a DWT III? > > I got a few posts back. Lots of ideas. Who is game? Is the game a foot? > > > > I beg all those who are involved in DWT and DWT II to speak up, make a > > effort, move in some general direction but move. > > > > dale > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Paul Fellows Date: Fri May 17, 2002 3:39 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Logos 'Wake Up' I don't agree, I think it says 'right now' :-) > It's a voice sample of someone saying 'Wake up'. Off to the headphone > shoppe for you! > > > Regardless of which version of Logos you have, > > 13:58-19:55 Logos 'Wake Up' > 19:56-25:20 Logos 'Blue' > From: atye@a... Date: Fri May 17, 2002 3:43 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Logos 'Wake Up' pfellows@c... writes: > I don't agree, I think it says 'right now' :-) > I think that the TDI website cleared this up already (thanks Antonio) ATYE http://www.tangerinedream.de/samples/logos.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34007 Re: Logos 'Wake Up' Paul Fellows Fri 5/17/2002 2 KB From: 'jon tim' Date: Fri May 17, 2002 3:57 pm Subject: LEGEND 2xDVD ULTIMATE EDITION Legend 2 DVD Ultimate Edition I received my set today Fri 17/5/02 Looks very promising .... but the insert seems to suggest that Ridley Scot preferred the Jerry Goldsmith Score ... this is the version that is refered to as the Directors Cut on the DVD1 which contains 'found' scenes etc etc..... Funny I always thought his preference was for the TD scored version! Con31 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From: Morgan Feldon Date: Fri May 17, 2002 3:58 pm Subject: Logos tour >Dennis Nigbur said: > >On 17 May 2002 at 8:56, Morgan Feldon wrote: > > > picked myself up off the floor, I'd include all the music on the > > current Logos release, except with the actual Nov 6 82 recording of > > the ending. > >Is that the ending they used during the concert of the Hammersmith >bootleg fame? That's still the best piece of Logos-esque melody I've >heard in my life. > >Dennis You mean the Nov 5th Birmingham Odeon 1982 show? -Morgan (I think I know where this is going re: 3 Tier Dream) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34008 Re: Logos tour Dennis Nigbur Fri 5/17/2002 3 KB From: Morgan Feldon Date: Fri May 17, 2002 4:25 pm Subject: 'Poland' >Howdy! > >I'm listening to Fassbinder and the second half, except for the 'Flying >Kamakazi' finale is 'from' Poland, the second part of track 1. > >But Fassbinder predates the Torwar Ice Stadium show (and the intervening >Japan tour) by a 1/2 year (or by a 1/2 month in the case of Japan). > >My question is this: Is Fassbinder the first time this piece was played in >public? (...anyone? Morgan?...) > >Ciao -- Mark The Fassbinder concert is the first time any significant new 'Poland' music would be heard live, aside from the first movement of Tangent which premiered on the October-November 1982 Logos tour. The first 4 minute movement of Horizon, and then the 2nd and 3rd movements of 'Poland' were all introduced at the Fassbinder concert on June 11, 1983. 2 1/2 weeks later, the entire 3 movements of 'Poland' would premiere on the 4 (5?) venue Japan 1983 tour in a rather long-winded but beautiful 30 minute version. In the various fall Germany and Poland shows, 'Poland' was a more sensible 26 minutes. 1983 has proven a very difficult year to research for TD history. From the Japan 83 shows (Were there 4 or 5?, and besides the Osaka show, the other dates may not be locked down just yet), to the various Germany and Poland shows, things have been difficult to verify. The only fall concerts that seem set in stone are the Dec 10 83 'Warsaw' afternoon and evening shows of legend (one power outage on the Afternoon show, and whose only encore was Choronzon), the November 26 Dresden, East Germany Hygienemuseum (Kongress Saal) concert, and the August 30 Athens, Greece Lycabettus Theatre (long labeled an 84 show, even by the band!?--see Dream Roots), both of which shared the same basic content as the Warsaw shows. Johannes Schmoelling surprised us all by posting a scanned ticket to the November 28 Magdeburg, German Democratic Republic Stadthalle show, for which there was previously known record in the TD community. -Morgan Logos and Poland trivia buff Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34011 Re: 'Poland' Mark Filipak Fri 5/17/2002 5 KB From: ampmusic Date: Fri May 17, 2002 4:28 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1346 > From: 'Admin' > Subject: Back to the matter at hand, TWTIII > > Is there going to be a DWT III? > I got a few posts back. Lots of ideas. Who is game? Is the game a foot? > > I beg all those who are involved in DWT and DWT II to speak up, make a > effort, move in some general direction but move. > > dale > Yes, but where are all the responses to DWT2? Reviews, comments, feedback, anything...am I looking in the wrong places? I believe some record label or other was going to offer to release an album for the best reviewed contributor, but it must be difficult to choose one when there ain't no reviews to choose from :-) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34013 Guilted into a DWT II review :-) maggior Fri 5/17/2002 4 KB From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Fri May 17, 2002 4:34 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Logos 'Wake Up' > From: Antonio Nunes [mailto:np97fa@m...] > > The official TD website says: > ( http://www.tangerinedream.de/samples/logos.html ) > 'On Logos, live in London, TD used the first sampling unit ever. Listen > to the 2nd quarter of Logos- Part I and pay attention to the line > >Wake-up!<.' > Ah okay. :-) Shows I've not been there for ages. Marcel http;//home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... From: Paul Fellows Date: Fri May 17, 2002 5:01 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Logos 'Wake Up' Yeah, but their music is always open to interpretation, that's my version and I'm sticking to it.. Paul le 17/05/02 17:43, atye@a... à atye@a... a écrit : > pfellows@c... writes: > > >> I don't agree, I think it says 'right now' :-) >> > > I think that the TDI website cleared this up already > (thanks Antonio) > ATYE > > http://www.tangerinedream.de/samples/logos.html > > From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Fri May 17, 2002 5:16 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Logos tour Birmingham? News to me, but yes - I do mean the 3Tier Dream concert. Dennis On 17 May 2002 at 10:58, Morgan Feldon wrote: > > >Dennis Nigbur said: > > > >On 17 May 2002 at 8:56, Morgan Feldon wrote: > > > > > picked myself up off the floor, I'd include all the music on the > > > current Logos release, except with the actual Nov 6 82 recording > > > of the ending. > > > >Is that the ending they used during the concert of the Hammersmith > >bootleg fame? That's still the best piece of Logos-esque melody I've > >heard in my life. > > > >Dennis > > You mean the Nov 5th Birmingham Odeon 1982 show? > > -Morgan > (I think I know where this is going re: 3 Tier Dream) > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Owens, James' Date: Fri May 17, 2002 5:59 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] faerie dance from legend I'm assuming the music in this clip is Goldsmith? > -----Original Message----- > hi > i have ripped and encoded the faerie dance clip from the > legend ultimate edition dvd and uploaded it to my website > tangram@t... it is in realvideo so the picture > quality is no the best, but you can hear the audio OK, here > is the shortcut for the lazy peolpe who cannot wait for my > site to load :-) > http://www.members.tripod.com/~duncanmckee/dance.rm From: 'fozziebear' Date: Fri May 17, 2002 6:05 pm Subject: Wake - up When the Wake-up sample was first played the people I went to the concert with were wondering what was behind it. Who did TD want to Wake-Up? What did they want people to wake up to? And the title. Well who thought it meant logos as in trademark badge as opposed to the word of god incarnate? Consensus was that Wake - up meant to spirituality. Another favourite sample is the Bushbabies....... whichever album that was on. Now what inspired that? Another all time favourite sample has to be on Assassin by The Orb. But that's a whole track not just occasional words. David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34036 Re: Wake - up John Vertical Sat 5/18/2002 2 KB From: Mark Filipak Date: Fri May 17, 2002 6:44 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Poland' Hi Morgan! > Mark Filipak [me!] wrote: > > > > I'm listening to Fassbinder and the second half, except for the > > 'Flying Kamakazi' finale is 'from' Poland, the second part of track 1. > > > > But Fassbinder predates the Torwar Ice Stadium show (and the > > intervening Japan tour) by a 1/2 year (or by a 1/2 month in the case > > of Japan). > > > > My question is this: Is Fassbinder the first time this piece was > > played in public? (...anyone? Morgan?...) To which Morgan Feldon graciously replied: > > The Fassbinder concert is the first time any significant new 'Poland' > music would be heard live, aside from the first movement of Tangent > which premiered on the October-November 1982 Logos tour. > > The first 4 minute movement of Horizon, and then the 2nd and 3rd > movements of 'Poland' were all introduced at the Fassbinder concert on > June 11, 1983. I did bring this up and so I don't want to quibble, and I do have a lot of respect for you, Morgan (except that I still think you're too hard on Edgar sometimes), but '2nd and 3rd movements of 'Poland''. Whatever do you mean? If it's handy, do you have track times for what you are calling the '2nd and 3rd movements of 'Poland''? Please don't bother yourself if you don't already have this written down. I have always divided the 'Poland' track like this: (intro/atmosphere) [0:48] 1 Poland 1 [10:42] (aka: Love on a Polish Train) (bridge 1-2) [2:26] 2 Poland 2 [8:46] (bridge 2-3) [0:37] Are you, perchance, calling the bridge that I designate as 'bridge 1-2', 'movement 2'? -- what I have as 'Poland 2' would become 'movement 3' or 'Poland 3'. If you are, I certainly wouldn't argue as one person's bridge may very well be another person's movement. If not, then I'm very curious about how you *are* dividing this track up as I can't imagine how the two main themes could be further subdivided. Morgan then provides the very informative color comentary following: > > 2 1/2 weeks later, the entire 3 movements of 'Poland' would premiere > on the 4 (5?) venue Japan 1983 tour in a rather long-winded but > beautiful 30 minute version. In the various fall Germany and Poland > shows, 'Poland' was a more sensible 26 minutes. > > 1983 has proven a very difficult year to research for TD history. From > the Japan 83 shows (Were there 4 or 5?, and besides the Osaka show, > the other dates may not be locked down just yet), to the various > Germany and Poland shows, things have been difficult to verify. The > only fall concerts that seem set in stone are the Dec 10 83 'Warsaw' > afternoon and evening shows of legend (one power outage on the > Afternoon show, and whose only encore was Choronzon), the November 26 > Dresden, East Germany Hygienemuseum (Kongress Saal) concert, and the > August 30 Athens, Greece Lycabettus Theatre (long labeled an 84 show, > even by the band!?--see Dream Roots), both of which shared the same > basic content as the Warsaw shows. I found a reference somewhere -- sorry, I wasn't so meticulous at that time -- to a 31 Aug 83, Athens show. Has this definitely been debunked? > Johannes Schmoelling surprised us all by posting a scanned ticket to > the November 28 Magdeburg, German Democratic Republic Stadthalle show, > for which there was previously known record in the TD community. Oooo. Do you have this scan? I'd sure like to get it. Thanks for providing such a wonderful answer to my quest for the origins of 'Poland'. Ciao -- Mark From: 'convention24' Date: Fri May 17, 2002 6:45 pm Subject: Re: Logos --- In tadream@y..., Heiko Heerssen wrote: > > > > Now I know that actually people can fly... > > At least, while listening to Logos (part one) > > :o) > > I had the same feeling when I first listened to 'Logos'..this was the first > TD album I bought in 1983, and it's still among my most favourite albums > ever. Although the music is almost 20 years old it doesn't sound dated at > all...the Froese/Franke/Schmoelling line-up was inredible!! :-) > > Heiko Awesome Awesome Awesome,a sublime album from a then inspired Tangerine Dream,good grief,if only these young whippersnappers of our day knew what they were missing,and my ten year old son has just startind blasting Linkin Park,im just about Crawling back into the shed out the garden.Tangerine Dream-the Magic of these guys Shall NEVER CEASE. Best regards CJ From: 'maggior' Date: Fri May 17, 2002 6:48 pm Subject: Guilted into a DWT II review :-) OK, you've succeeded in making me feel guilty ;-). I can understand how the musicians that participated in the project might feel underappreciated. I myself was surprised by the small number of reviews. Part of this is probably that the project was overshadowed a bit by the Tangerine Tree project - it can't be that the music wasn't appreciated! I've raved about the DWT II discs, but I guess I haven't done it in a public forum. I figured I'd leave the reviewing to some of the more eloquent members of this list - I'm not good at disecting music; others here have a talent for it. For what it's worth, here is my two cents... In short, I love these CDs!! These 4 CDs (I got both DWT I and II) came with me in the car for a good month - it's about all I was listening too. The songs were very professionally done. What I liked was that you could hear the TD influence without the songs sounding like TD ripoffs. The production is very clean as well, better than in DWT I. My 3 (or was it 4) branches in the DWT II tree all raved about the music. One person commented that the discussion list 'has some very talented musician in it'. I rave about both DWT sets to anybody that will listen (and has a clue as to what I'm talking about ;-). Even my fiance likes some of the songs. There are some songs in the set that don't appeal to me, but none that I feel I have to skip over. What I plan to do (when I get time) is to compile all of my favorites from the DTW I and II sets onto a couple of discs. Now this will be a killer CD set!! When I put this compilation together, perhaps I'll list my choices here so everyone can see who made the cut (like it really matters that much ;-). To everybody that participated in this project (musicians and artists alike), I'd like to say 'THANK YOU! - this is great stuff'. Rich Maggio > Yes, but where are all the responses to DWT2? Reviews, comments, feedback, anything...am I looking in the wrong places? > > I believe some record label or other was going to offer to release an album for the best reviewed contributor, but it must be difficult to choose one when there ain't no reviews to choose from :-) > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Scott' Date: Fri May 17, 2002 7:39 pm Subject: Re: Berlin 15.06.2002 Actually, there is more! On the May page, there is an ad for the Salvador Dali film by JC Avery. Either Froese solo or TD proper did the soundtrack. I forget which. Scott From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Fri May 17, 2002 7:56 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Logos 'Wake Up' In a message dated 5/17/2002 8:57:55 AM Central Daylight Time, mengels@w... writes: > I really doubt they're saying Wake-up! > *Maybe not, but most people seem to know what you're talking about if you call it that... Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Scott' Date: Fri May 17, 2002 7:26 pm Subject: Quichotte Speaking of which, I though only red and blue vinyl versions were issued. I bought a copy from Ebay and it turned out to be black vinyl. What's the story? Was it a regular run of black, and then just a few hundred of the red and blue? Scott From: Morgan Feldon Date: Fri May 17, 2002 8:05 pm Subject: 'Wake Up' >fozziebear said: >When the Wake-up sample was first played the people I went to the concert with >were wondering what was behind it. Who did TD want to Wake-Up? What did >they want people to wake up to? First, I have to say, you're a lucky b****** to have gone to a TD show in 82, let alone the Dominion show. The music leading up to the 'Wake Up' sequence is easily the slowest, most ambient piece (not that there's anything wrong with that!) in the whole show. I think it is quite fitting in the most literal sense of the words. -Morgan From: Morgan Feldon Date: Fri May 17, 2002 8:02 pm Subject: Three Tier Dream - Digital Times >Dennis Nigbur said: > >Birmingham? News to me, but yes - I do mean the 3Tier Dream >concert. > >Dennis As I guessed! Disc 2 of 3 Tier Dream 'Digital Times' is the first set of the 1981.10.20 Hammersmith Odeon concert. Ignore the '1982' notation. Never trust a bootleg label! That said, yes, Hammersmith Odeon had probably the best performance ever of 'Bondy Parade', with Johannes Schmoelling playing the lead line for a bit before Edgar gets up on stage (to applause) and takes over on electric guitar. I was surprised when Edgar chose an Australia show to release (well, doctor), as the performances of Bondy Parade down under were rather lackluster. (Edgar chose to completely excise the guitar work anyway!) -Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34062 Re: Three Tier Dream - Digital Times Dennis Nigbur Mon 5/20/2002 3 KB From: Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid Date: Fri May 17, 2002 7:04 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Back to the matter at hand, TWTIII Let's face it.....deadlines suck.....almost as much as Mondays 'Administrator for kay-net.com' wrote: > You are way ahead of me already. 2 Tracks ready. I just don't want to run up > on a dead line. Hence why I prodding now. > > dale > > Administrator for Kay-Net.com > admin@k... > 661-723-0266 > Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid' > To: > Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 3:56 AM > Subject: Re: [tadream] Back to the matter at hand, TWTIII > > > According to an email I got from Yannick not too long ago, there will be a > > DWT 3.....i'm all set to record 2 traks for it as of this email. > > > > > > > > Admin wrote: > > > > > Is there going to be a DWT III? > > > I got a few posts back. Lots of ideas. Who is game? Is the game a foot? > > > > > > I beg all those who are involved in DWT and DWT II to speak up, make a > > > effort, move in some general direction but move. > > > > > > dale > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Fri May 17, 2002 8:20 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Guilted into a DWT II review :-) Very well commented, Rich. Yes there are, as you put it 'One person commented that the discussion list 'has some very > talented musician in it'.' You spoke no facts that can't be other than true here. Both DWT I and DWT II are very good. I only have one negative item, and that track 5 I think that was done and sounded like static. (pink noise). I was later shown where to get the track such that my CD player could play it. All I have to do now is make a new disk with that track and I got a killer disk. If I read the posts and followed more closer than the lurker I am, I would have known this already. I am expecting DWT III to be even better. Dale Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'maggior' To: Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 11:48 AM Subject: [tadream] Guilted into a DWT II review :-) > OK, you've succeeded in making me feel guilty ;-). I can understand [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Morgan Feldon Date: Fri May 17, 2002 8:20 pm Subject: Poland >Mark Filipak said: > >I did bring this up and so I don't want to quibble, and I do have a lot of >respect for you, Morgan (except that I still think you're too hard on >Edgar sometimes), but '2nd and 3rd movements of 'Poland''. Whatever do you >mean? > >If it's handy, do you have track times for what you are calling the '2nd >and 3rd movements of 'Poland''? Please don't bother yourself if you don't >already have this written down. > >I have always divided the 'Poland' track like this: > >(intro/atmosphere) [0:48] >1 Poland 1 [10:42] >(aka: Love on a Polish Train) >(bridge 1-2) [2:26] >2 Poland 2 [8:46] >(bridge 2-3) [0:37] > >Are you, perchance, calling the bridge that I designate as 'bridge 1-2', >'movement 2'? -- what I have as 'Poland 2' would become 'movement 3' or >'Poland 3'. If you are, I certainly wouldn't argue as one person's bridge >may very well be another person's movement. If not, then I'm very curious >about how you *are* dividing this track up as I can't imagine how the two >main themes could be further subdivided. I guess it could be called a bridge. But at 3 minutes long in the 1983 Japan concerts, it has to be one of TD's longer bridges. Yes, that's what I'm referring to. >I found a reference somewhere -- sorry, I wasn't so meticulous at that >time -- to a 31 Aug 83, Athens show. Has this definitely been debunked? It seems to remain a question mark. > > Johannes Schmoelling surprised us all by posting a scanned ticket to > > the November 28 Magdeburg, German Democratic Republic Stadthalle show, > > for which there was previously known record in the TD community. > >Oooo. Do you have this scan? I'd sure like to get it. There was a very small thumbnail which was almost unreadable on JS's website, and clicking on it did not bring up the correct link. So i did some digging and guessing and managed to find the full size (very large) versions of the front and back of the ticket hidden on the site and download them! The ticket for the 5:30pm show: http://www.feldoncentral.com/tddisc/281183_1.gif here's the ticket for the 7:30pm evening show, which as you can see was rescheduled to 9:30pm. http://www.feldoncentral.com/tddisc/281183_2.gif -Morgan From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Fri May 17, 2002 8:23 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Back to the matter at hand, TWTIII Yes they do, but I am one of those boneheads that want to see a deadline so I have a motivational force to put my big arse in gear. ;-) dale Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid' To: Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Back to the matter at hand, TWTIII > Let's face it.....deadlines suck.....almost as much as Mondays > > 'Administrator for kay-net.com' wrote: > > > You are way ahead of me already. 2 Tracks ready. I just don't want to run up > > on a dead line. Hence why I prodding now. > > > > dale > > > > Administrator for Kay-Net.com > > admin@k... > > 661-723-0266 > > Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: 'Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid' > > To: > > Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 3:56 AM > > Subject: Re: [tadream] Back to the matter at hand, TWTIII > > > > > According to an email I got from Yannick not too long ago, there will be a > > > DWT 3.....i'm all set to record 2 traks for it as of this email. > > > > > > > > > > > > Admin wrote: > > > > > > > Is there going to be a DWT III? > > > > I got a few posts back. Lots of ideas. Who is game? Is the game a foot? > > > > > > > > I beg all those who are involved in DWT and DWT II to speak up, make a > > > > effort, move in some general direction but move. > > > > > > > > dale > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Liondream@a... Date: Fri May 17, 2002 9:37 pm Subject: Wake Up!!! The Logos vs logos (plural)... In the context of the quotes that were being placed on the albums of around that time period, Logos with a capital 'L' and 'wake up' seem to make perfect sense. Makes me wonder about the title 'White Eagle' << Subject: 'Wake Up' >fozziebear said: >When the Wake-up sample was first played the people I went to the concert with >were wondering what was behind it. Who did TD want to Wake-Up? What did >they want people to wake up to? First, I have to say, you're a lucky b****** to have gone to a TD show in 82, let alone the Dominion show. The music leading up to the 'Wake Up' sequence is easily the slowest, most ambient piece (not that there's anything wrong with that!) in the whole show. I think it is quite fitting in the most literal sense of the words. -Morgan>>> Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34026 Re: Wake Up!!! Synthhtnys@a... Sat 5/18/2002 2 KB From: 'tei waz' Date: Fri May 17, 2002 11:13 pm Subject: anyone go to yday's ground liftaz event? see subject _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Sat May 18, 2002 2:02 am Subject: Re: [RicochetMusos] Ricochet Gathering 2003 ----- Original Message ----- From: 'vic rek' > I hope to add links and other information about the 2002 event sometime > soon. 'The next event is at the Mojave Desert April 25-29, 2003.' 1. Sign me up! 2. What about the party at your house on the 24th? :-) Bill From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Sat May 18, 2002 3:00 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Wake Up!!! In a message dated 5/17/02 2:39:02 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Liondream@a... writes: << Makes me wonder about the title 'White Eagle' >> *The White Eagle is a symbol used in Alchemical traditions.... TD have used various metaphysical and mystical symbols for ages so it always strikes me as odd when a TD fan is surprised at the 'New Age' connection. Not only are the song titles often reffering to it, but there are quotes from Buddha and Lao Tsu in the liner notes.... Poly From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sat May 18, 2002 3:20 am Subject: [tree] Now Playing! Hi folks... I've just got a copy of the SHN edition. I'm not extracting volumes 7 and 8, and have already burned vol.1, Nottingham 1976, and WHAT A FANTASTIC CONCERT IS THAT. Very inspired, f!!king gorgeous etc etc etc. now at 11:20 in the second track. Unfortunately I've got only 4 blanks right now, so I'm now playing Nott 76, and will burn later Croydon 75, Inferno and Berlin Philharmonie 76. Can't wait... And I'm not going to write a review of each concert here. People have already done that... you all know this is excellent. Many thanks to wooooooooo, that tune...13:12... now where is it from. Ricochet? Yeah. I think it's in Ricochet. yeah yeah yeah. greatest of all time and all that ;).. yeah yeah yeah. Now this track 2 could easily have been put in an album, most certainly. anyway. Thanks to everyone involved in this beautiful project! Thanks to my branch too! ;) Many very special thanks to Tangerine Dream and all the talented musicians that have been a part of it! -GJ with a Burning Brain (burning with joy ;) Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Sat May 18, 2002 4:55 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Logos In a message dated 5/17/02 4:39:29 AM Pacific Daylight Time, jmisner13@l... writes: << Do you all feel similarly about the boot 'Logotypes'??? ---Jeff >> *Logostype is my favorite Schmoelling era bootleg. Poly From: scfeldman@j... Date: Sat May 18, 2002 5:01 am Subject: Mysticism and TD On Fri, 17 May 2002 23:00:42 EDT Synthhtnys@a... writes: >*The White Eagle is a symbol used in Alchemical traditions.... Yep, and the hermaphrodite is an alchemical symbol, and by extension -- the androgyne (like me). :) >TD have used various metaphysical and mystical symbols >for ages so it always strikes me as odd when a TD fan is >surprised at the 'New Age' connection. Yes, and a few years ago, one fan gave me crap when I suggested that a boot be named after a Lovecraftian reference, yet since then, another fan went and gave a TD boot a Lovecraftian name, so the cat's out of the bag. ;) >Poly Stephe, a Man-Woman Trying to Look the Part Androgyne Online http://androgyne.0catch.com/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Art Of Vision Date: Sat May 18, 2002 5:38 am Subject: Which one's Wake-Up ? Just checked about the 'Wake-Up' part on www.tadream.de : >On Logos, live in London, TD used the >first sampling unit ever. >Listen to the 2nd quarter of Logos- Part >I and pay attention to >the line »Wake-up!«. So, Logos Part I is 25 mins, then the second quarter of it must be 6,25 - 12,5. According to this, Wake-Up part is the previous of the one you've mentioned! ArtOfVision __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From: quarlie@a... Date: Sat May 18, 2002 7:08 am Subject: Re: Ricochet Gathering 2003 In a message dated 5/17/02 10:03:44 PM, billfox@f... quotes: >'The next event is at the Mojave Desert April 25-29, 2003.' Alas. If it were two weeks later, I'd go. Oh well. That's the life of a student. --Daniel NP: Dream Theater - Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence From: 'hyperboreauk' Date: Sat May 18, 2002 7:31 am Subject: Tangerine Tree Hi just want to thank everyone involved in this great project,I was not a great fan of the 70's stuff but listening to these concerts I think I am converted especially the awesome Nottingham 76 and Washington 77 superb stuff cannot wait for TT2. Cheers Gary NP.White Out www.hyperborea.v21net.co.uk From: gmroger@p... Date: (Date Unavailable) Subject: Re: Guilted into a DWT II review Sorry to have been in lurk mode for quite some time, but between studying, holidays and work I've had very little time to formulate a review on DWT II - hopefully I can do so in the next few days or so. In the meantime (off the top of my head, as I'm doing this in an internet cafe, for reasons in my next posting), I've now heard the discs several times, even making a tape to listen to while I was sunning myself in Fuerteventura. I have to say it is brilliant! While DWT 1 was a slight hit and miss affair (although with more hits, I hasten to add!), DWT II redresses this balance - for me, only three misses... sorry, can't remember the titles or the artists, but from memory, disc 1: Track 1 (the samples of all tracks, but thankfully a lot shorter this time), Track 4 (Ithink the Doktor Strange track), although only just... actually, it's not bad), the track that followed which, at 14 minutes, and an endless repition of the same line all the way through, and track 5 on Disc 2. Of the rest, they are simply wonderful! I love Olyam's track on disc 2 (it reminds me of Fuerteventura), and the last track was quite a surprise... if it was originally not planned to go on DWT 2, then it would of been quite a loss. This is a sad, moving and beautiful piece and finished the set quite nicely... As I say, I hope to have a more detailed review in the near future. Regards Roger Hartopp From: gmroger@p... Date: (Date Unavailable) Subject: Danged Polish connection speeds I tried to join the chat last night, but unfortunately - and I presume it's because of the connection speeds - conversation was impossible. Morgan greeted me, I responded, sent a message, then waited three minutes, after which, a half-page dialogue suddenly appeared - everyone else was able to have a decent conversation but me! So guys, it wasn't me being rude or something you did - with a connection speed of only 33000 bps (in reality bits were creeping through at an even slower rate than that), it became impossible for me to carry on and be truly involved. To our Polish group out there (off-topic here folks, sorry)- what is the solution? I'm stuck with a TPSA connection, and TPSA is my server. Is it any use paying and going to another server while still being connected to a phone line or do I have to go the route of cable or satellite? Considering Poland's internet phone connections are the highest after Japan, it all seems bez sensu!!! Advice, Piotr? Jerzy? Roger Hartopp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34038 Re: Danged Polish connection speeds Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz Sat 5/18/2002 3 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sat May 18, 2002 9:10 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Mysteries >*The White Eagle is a symbol used in Alchemical traditions.... >TD have used various metaphysical and mystical symbols for ages so it >always >strikes me as odd when a TD fan is surprised at the 'New Age' connection. >Not only are the song titles often reffering to it, but there are quotes >from >Buddha >and Lao Tsu in the liner notes.... >Poly Most TD titles are cryptic enough even if one does not want to bother his head with speculative religion connections... Origin of Supernatural Probabilities? Big Sleep In Search Of Hades? Yeah, right. As TD's (and Edgar's in particular) goal has always been to produce 'surreal' music (which IMHO did not succeed too well after Schmoelling came in), it is understandable that the titles are also mysterious. If we take Magritte's (if someone doesn't know: he was surreal painter too, but not as known than Dali) titles for example... it's at least equally confusing. A picture of a living tree with cabinets carved inside it, one of them closed, the other two open and housing a ball & a dollhouse... This it titled 'Voice of the Blood'. Huh? Surrealists choose titles by what does sound weir enough. There's no inner meaning - but you of course can speculate, if you want. But I don't think there's anything to be really found. But this sense of mystery has to me always been an integral part of TD's music. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34037 Re: Mysteries Synthhtnys@a... Sat 5/18/2002 3 KB 34050 Re: Mysteries fozziebear Sun 5/19/2002 2 KB 34066 Re: Mysteries Dan Downey Mon 5/20/2002 3 KB 34065 Re: Mysteries Dan Downey Mon 5/20/2002 4 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sat May 18, 2002 9:14 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Wake - up >Another favourite sample is the Bushbabies....... whichever album that was >on. Now what inspired that? First half of Poland, right? I think it sounds more like 'Fuzzy' than 'Bush' however. This mostly reminds me of an anecdote about Richard Feynman ... but perhaps that'd be too OT. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Sat May 18, 2002 9:39 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Mysteries In a message dated 5/18/2002 4:10:48 AM Central Daylight Time, johnvertical@h... writes: > Surrealists choose titles by what does sound weir enough. There's no inner > meaning - but you of course can speculate, if you want. But I don't think > there's anything to be really found. > John Vertical *Well John, if there were just a few connections I might agree with you but for those of us who have studied it the sheer amount of connections are far too obvious to ignore. Pop quiz: who or what is Choronzon? The demon Aliester Crowley supposedly summoned in the desert. What is the Convention of 24? A theosophical theory of a secret cabal of 'hidden masters'. Tyger was an entire album of mystic Wlliam Blake's poetry. Logos - The 'word' of creation. Remote viewing - A psychic phenomena involving someone 'seeing' events from far away. I'm not even going to attempt a complete list as each album has reference points. If you have no interest what's the problem? You can certainly see nothing more than abstract or surreal meaningless images.... but to those with the eyes to see the evidence is more than ample... Besides the surreal movement wasn't exactly seperate from metaphysics either... Dali designed his own tarot deck. Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz' Date: Sat May 18, 2002 10:10 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Danged Polish connection speeds > To our Polish group out there (off-topic here folks, sorry)- > what is the solution? I'm stuck with a TPSA connection, and > TPSA is my server. Is it any use paying and going to another > server while still being connected to a phone line or do I > have to go the route of cable or satellite? > > Considering Poland's internet phone connections are the > highest after Japan, it all seems bez sensu!!! > > Advice, Piotr? Jerzy? > > Roger Hartopp Hmm, I've been using the cable modem connection (Chello from UPC, Warsaw) for about a year. It's very good and quite cheap solution. The connection speed at 512kbps is quite enough to do anything you wish. Try this: http://www.upc.com.pl for more information. cheers Jarek 'Jerry' mailto:jerry@t... Visit my website at: http://www.tangerinedream.pl/ From: chris towers Date: Sat May 18, 2002 11:04 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Spherical Harmonics I have Spherical Harmonics as a CDR. My email is cjt999fire@a..., feel free to contact me and ill arrange something for you.... Cheers Chris --- Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid wrote: > Hmm....i've only seen that one floating > around.....been elusive for > me........any chance > someone out there has a decent copy of it > avaliable...mp3, or otherwise? > > Contact me off-list if this is a possibility. > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From: scfeldman@j... Date: Sat May 18, 2002 5:48 pm Subject: LOGOS: THE KEEP II On Sat, 18 May 2002 00:55:36 EDT Synthhtnys@a... writes: >*Logostype is my favorite Schmoelling era bootleg. That wouldn't be because of the presence of all the KEEP-related material by chance, would it? ;) >Poly -- Steven Feldman + + + + + + + 'David Bowie told me Brian Eno gave him a record of I Feel Love and said 'David . . . I heard the future!'' -- Giorgio Moroder, on the UK Channel 4 television special, 'The UK's Greatest #1 Singles,' on January 6, 2001 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34044 Re: LOGOS: THE KEEP II Synthhtnys@a... Sat 5/18/2002 2 KB 34075 Re: LOGOS: THE KEEP II scfeldman@j... Tue 5/21/2002 3 KB From: Mark Filipak Date: Sat May 18, 2002 6:17 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Poland Morgan Feldon wrote: > > The ticket for the 5:30pm [28 Nov 1983 Stadthalle, Magdeburg, GDR] show: > > http://www.feldoncentral.com/tddisc/281183_1.gif > > here's the ticket for the 7:30pm [28 Nov 1983 Stadthalle, Magdeburg, > GDR] evening show, which as you can see was rescheduled to 9:30pm. > > http://www.feldoncentral.com/tddisc/281183_2.gif Thank you, Morgan! Not popular in their own country, yet they have two shows on a Monday. Hmmm... Ciao -- Mark From: Wade Gordon Date: Sat May 18, 2002 6:49 pm Subject: (off topic) Digital Radio in the U.K. Does anybody out there know the digital radio station in the U.K. that plays our kind of music. Wade __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34055 Re: (off topic) Digital Radio in the U.K. Simon Pride Sun 5/19/2002 3 KB 34056 Re: (off topic) Digital Radio in the U.K. Wade Gordon Sun 5/19/2002 4 KB 34057 Re: (off topic) Digital Radio in the U.K. Simon Pride Sun 5/19/2002 5 KB From: Liondream@a... Date: Sat May 18, 2002 7:45 pm Subject: Surreal Paintning Another surrealistic painter whose work I admire very much - even morese than that of Dali is Remedios Varo. << Subject: Re: Mysteries >*The White Eagle is a symbol used in Alchemical traditions.... >TD have used various metaphysical and mystical symbols for ages so it >always >strikes me as odd when a TD fan is surprised at the 'New Age' connection. >Not only are the song titles often reffering to it, but there are quotes >from >Buddha >and Lao Tsu in the liner notes.... >Poly Most TD titles are cryptic enough even if one does not want to bother his head with speculative religion connections... Origin of Supernatural Probabilities? Big Sleep In Search Of Hades? Yeah, right. As TD's (and Edgar's in particular) goal has always been to produce 'surreal' music (which IMHO did not succeed too well after Schmoelling came in), it is understandable that the titles are also mysterious. If we take Magritte's (if someone doesn't know: he was surreal painter too, but not as known than Dali) titles for example... it's at least equally confusing. A picture of a living tree with cabinets carved inside it, one of them closed, the other two open and housing a ball & a dollhouse... This it titled 'Voice of the Blood'. Huh? Surrealists choose titles by what does sound weir enough. There's no inner meaning - but you of course can speculate, if you want. But I don't think there's anything to be really found. But this sense of mystery has to me always been an integral part of TD's music. John Vertical>>> From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Sat May 18, 2002 8:15 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] LOGOS: THE KEEP II In a message dated 5/18/2002 12:50:04 PM Central Daylight Time, scfeldman@j... writes: > >*Logostype is my favorite Schmoelling era bootleg. > > That wouldn't be because of the presence of all the > KEEP-related material by chance, would it? ;) *Really? What are the cue points for these cuts? Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Paul Lawler' Date: Sat May 18, 2002 9:00 pm Subject: TD & Dead can Dance I`ve just downloaded a version of Dolphin Dance by TD, but with 'Dead can Danc'e playing (very badly) a chinese type improvised flute solo over the top . It sounds like somebody playing over a CD in their bedroom ! this cant be real .......can it ? Paul http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- http://www.vision68.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 9:15 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] LOGOS: THE KEEP II > In a message dated 5/18/2002 12:50:04 PM Central Daylight Time, > scfeldman@j... writes: > > > > >*Logostype is my favorite Schmoelling era bootleg. > > > > That wouldn't be because of the presence of all the > > KEEP-related material by chance, would it? ;) > > > *Really? What are the cue points for these cuts? > Poly > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34046 Re: TD & Dead can Dance Synthhtnys@a... Sat 5/18/2002 2 KB 34047 Re: TD & Dead can Dance Owens, James Sat 5/18/2002 3 KB From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Sat May 18, 2002 9:15 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD & Dead can Dance In a message dated 5/18/2002 4:07:25 PM Central Daylight Time, lawlermusic@s... writes: > I`ve just downloaded a version of Dolphin Dance by TD, but with 'Dead can > Danc'e playing (very badly) a chinese type improvised flute solo over the > top . > It sounds like somebody playing over a CD in their bedroom ! this cant be > real .......can it ? > > Paul > *That can't be Dead can Dance.... I think it's Bullsh*t Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Owens, James' Date: Sat May 18, 2002 9:48 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] TD & Dead can Dance There is indeed a song called 'Piece for Solo Flute' from the Dead Can Dance album _Toward the Within_. There are sound clips at CDNOW if you want to compare the sounds, but to me they sound the same as the MP3 mix that is overdubbed on Dolphin Dance. I think what you've got here is someone who has no mixing equipment took 'Piece for Solo Flute' and cut-and-pasted the sections that went well with Dolphin Dance. Then he played back Dolphin Dance on a boombox, '...Solo Flute' on his computer, and recorded them together with a standard rack tape deck. Afterwards he fed the results back to his computer and ripped to MP3. Me, I would just rip both of them to .wav files and mix them on the computer with some reasonable mixing program. Other than the poor mixing levels, I think it's a nice twist on Dolphin Dance. James > -----Original Message----- > > I`ve just downloaded a version of Dolphin Dance by TD, but > with 'Dead can > > Danc'e playing (very badly) a chinese type improvised flute > solo over the > > top . > > It sounds like somebody playing over a CD in their bedroom > ! this cant be > > real .......can it ? > > > > Paul From: peter.stoeferle@t... Date: Sat May 18, 2002 10:39 pm Subject: tree suggestion, was: Re: Re: Tangerine Tree's 2 & 3 & ........ Hello Heiko and all the others, > > Ultimately every TD concert in history will come out as a Tangerine Tree. > > errm..... I don't believe there is big demand for hearing every single > fantape from the 1990, 1992 or 1997 concert tours, ... > I think it's enough if we include only one or two recordings from the above > mentioned tours, since the music played within a concert tour was basically > identical. As most of you will know this wasn't the case with TD's live > concerts up to 1978, during the 70s each concert was more less > improvisational and 'unique'. And this is the period which I think the > Tangerine Tree should focus upon. I totally agree and therefore suggest that only one or two excellent recordings of the post-1982-period will be included in the regular tree sets. And as a special service for the completists, there could be tree boxes with concerts only from the 1990, 1992,... tours only for those who need to have them all. This should happen when most (or all...) of the earlier tapes have been distributed by the tree, perhaps with a new sign-up for those tree tour boxes. Peter Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34049 Re: tree suggestion, was: Re: Re: Tangerine Tree' Synthhtnys@a... Sat 5/18/2002 2 KB 34051 Re: tree suggestion, was: Re: Re: Tangerine Tree' Mark Filipak Sun 5/19/2002 2 KB 34053 Re: tree suggestion, was: Re: Re: Tangerine Tree' John Vertical Sun 5/19/2002 3 KB 34054 Re: tree suggestion, was: Re: Re: Tangerine Tree' Synthhtnys@a... Sun 5/19/2002 3 KB 34058 Re: tree suggestion, was: Re: Re: Tangerine Tree' Admin Sun 5/19/2002 3 KB 34060 Re: tree suggestion, was: Re: Re: Tangerine Tree' Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid Sun 5/19/2002 3 KB 34091 Re: tree suggestion, was: Re: Re: Tangerine Tree' John McIntyre Wed 5/22/2002 3 KB From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Sat May 18, 2002 11:08 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] tree suggestion, was: Re: Re: Tangerine Tree's 2 & 3 & ........ In a message dated 5/18/2002 5:40:39 PM Central Daylight Time, peter.stoeferle@t... writes: > I totally agree and therefore suggest that only one or two excellent > recordings > of the post-1982-period will be included in the regular tree sets. > Peter *I think this is a great idea.... Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'fozziebear' Date: Sun May 19, 2002 7:05 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Mysteries John Vertical wrote: > If we take Magritte's (if someone doesn't know: he was surreal painter too, > but not as known than Dali) titles for example... it's at least equally > confusing. A picture of a living tree with cabinets carved inside it, one of > them closed, the other two open and housing a ball & a dollhouse... This it > titled 'Voice of the Blood'. Huh? If you like Magritte and Dali, take a look at Laurie Lipton's work. David Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34066 Re: Mysteries Dan Downey Mon 5/20/2002 3 KB From: Mark Filipak Date: Sun May 19, 2002 8:10 am Subject: Re: [tadream] tree suggestion, was: Re: Re: Tangerine Tree's 2 & 3 & ........ Synthhtnys@a... wrote: > > In a message dated 5/18/2002 5:40:39 PM Central Daylight Time, > peter.stoeferle@t... writes: > > > I totally agree and therefore suggest that only one or two excellent > > recordings > > of the post-1982-period will be included in the regular tree sets. > > Peter > > *I think this is a great idea.... > Poly I hate to be a party pooper but I repectfully disagree. I think there are enough excellent shows from 1982 through 1988 with enough variation to warrant a whole box set dedicated to them. Besides, this is my favorite era. Using your criteron, Peter, since we alreay have Fassbinder, we don't need any other shows, eh? Ciao -- Mark From: Kevin Keller Date: Sun May 19, 2002 9:32 am Subject: IMMERSION 5.30.02 - A Must-See Event! Imagine... You walk up the stairs of the chapel in the heart of San Francisco's Presidio, and as you step inside, you are immersed in a world of music and images: time-lapse clouds roll across the ceiling, the moon rises on one wall as the sun sets on the other, and the sounds of cello, bass, and keyboards rise into the evening sky. You are experiencing IMMERSION, the final show of our Spring Tour. Buy your tickets now, and bring your friends and family for this very special evening of music and visuals. 'The cosmic sounds of the Kevin Keller Trio combine acoustic and electronic sounds that transmit a dreamlike aura, with a state-of-the-art visual production...a unique experience of sound and vision.' -Urban View, Oakland 'Bridges the worlds of classical performance and blissful contemplation...an enthralling soundscape.' -SF Bay Guardian IMMERSION Space Music by the Kevin Keller Trio (Kevin Keller/keyboards, Tania SImoncelli/cello, Mark Fassett/bass) with guest DJ Dagny Live Visuals by Luna http://www.visualmeditation.com/ Thursday, May 30 at 8pm Presidio Main Post Chapel 130 Fisher Loop, Presidio Park, San Francisco For map and directions: http://www.sfo.com/~goldengate/interfaith-presidio/map.htm $12.50 in advance at http://www.ticketweb.com $15 at the door Start your weekend early and immerse yourself in bliss.... Please visit http://www.kevinkeller.com for more information and free music downloads From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sun May 19, 2002 8:59 am Subject: Re: [tadream] tree suggestion, was: Re: Re: Tangerine Tree's 2 & 3 & ........ > > I totally agree and therefore suggest that only one or two excellent > > recordings > > of the post-1982-period will be included in the regular tree sets. > > Peter > > >*I think this is a great idea.... >Poly Why? What do you have against the latter live material? I see only one reason to discard them: if they don't have almost any new material to offer. (Of course this is definetly not a microscopic minority, but...) This of course excluding all radically different versions, eg. the version of Mojave Plan featuring the Munich Philharmonic orchestra? Welll. Apparently we already have most of the 83 live material on Logos, Poland & studio releases so I'm not going to start weeping if I don't get those. However, there appears to be much unreleased material from the 86 & 88 tours, so what's wrong with them? And even some from 90, too. 'One or two' could IMHO be something more like half a dozen. But I still agree that the Tree should concentrate on the vast amounts of 70's improvised concerts. John Vertical PS: One to seven that Morgan will write a novel about this, too... ;-) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Sun May 19, 2002 9:52 am Subject: Re: [tadream] tree suggestion, was: Re: Re: Tangerine Tree's 2 & 3 & ........ In a message dated 5/19/2002 3:59:01 AM Central Daylight Time, johnvertical@h... writes: > Why? What do you have against the latter live material? I see only one > reason to discard them: if they don't have almost any new material to > offer. *How did the idea of discarding anything come into this thread? I thought the original idea was to concentrate on the earlier works to begin with as they were improvised and therefore no two alike and being more sparing with the later material as it didn't vary as much and it would in many cases be the same copy as the shows were backed up on tape. Eventually if this thing has enough steam all versions would be available right? but things have a way of dying and I think it makes perfect sense to concentrate on the material that is unique..... All eras should be looked at, I don't think anyone has suggested otherwise. One of my favorites is the Three tier dream which is the Underwater Sunlight tour... but the Baumann era has the most undiscovered territory. Just my two cents. Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Simon Pride' Date: Sun May 19, 2002 12:01 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] (off topic) Digital Radio in the U.K. > -----Original Message----- > From: Wade Gordon [mailto:mindvoyager1@y...] > Sent: 18 May 2002 19:50 > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] (off topic) Digital Radio in the U.K. > > > Does anybody out there know the digital radio station > in the U.K. that plays our kind of music. > > Wade Nope. The nearest you're going to get to adventurous radio programming is Radio 6 Music and I've not heard any EM or prog on there to date. Shame, it would have been a perfect forum for Ashley Franklin's _Soundscapes_ if it still existed. The last time I heard TD on the radio was when Mark Radcliffe played the first half of side 1 of Tangram on his seminal Picadilly Radio program 'Transmission' back in 1980. Mark used to serve up an eclectic mix of local and national New Wave (Factory, 4AD, Postcard and Crepuscule acts) and experimental and electronic music. He also played, from memory: Richard Pinhas, Roedelius, Eno, Jon Hassell, Harold Budd, Thomas Dolby, Nyman, and many other experimental artists like Phil Niblock and so on. Of course he packed it all in to become one half of Mark and Lard... -- S Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34056 Re: (off topic) Digital Radio in the U.K. Wade Gordon Sun 5/19/2002 4 KB 34057 Re: (off topic) Digital Radio in the U.K. Simon Pride Sun 5/19/2002 5 KB From: Wade Gordon Date: Sun May 19, 2002 6:49 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] (off topic) Digital Radio in the U.K. Simon, Just a note to let you know that I am in discussions to bring my radio program to the U.K. Origionally I was discussing this with Radio 3, but events have now changed in that I will have more creativity on a commercial outlet. This is a unique experience for me since that for the last 18 years I have been primarily on public/community radio in the US. Thanks for the info. Wade --- Simon Pride wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Wade Gordon [mailto:mindvoyager1@y...] > > Sent: 18 May 2002 19:50 > > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [tadream] (off topic) Digital Radio in > the U.K. > > > > > > Does anybody out there know the digital radio > station > > in the U.K. that plays our kind of music. > > > > Wade > > Nope. The nearest you're going to get to adventurous > radio programming > is Radio 6 Music and I've not heard any EM or prog > on there to date. > Shame, it would have been a perfect forum for Ashley > Franklin's > _Soundscapes_ if it still existed. > > The last time I heard TD on the radio was when Mark > Radcliffe played the > first half of side 1 of Tangram on his seminal > Picadilly Radio program > 'Transmission' back in 1980. Mark used to serve up > an eclectic mix of > local and national New Wave (Factory, 4AD, Postcard > and Crepuscule acts) > and experimental and electronic music. He also > played, from memory: > Richard Pinhas, Roedelius, Eno, Jon Hassell, Harold > Budd, Thomas Dolby, > Nyman, and many other experimental artists like Phil > Niblock and so on. > Of course he packed it all in to become one half of > Mark and Lard... > > -- > S > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34057 Re: (off topic) Digital Radio in the U.K. Simon Pride Sun 5/19/2002 5 KB From: 'Simon Pride' Date: Sun May 19, 2002 7:00 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] (off topic) Digital Radio in the U.K. Cool. Let me know if any of us can help. I have a small number of contacts in UK commercial radio. > -----Original Message----- > From: Wade Gordon [mailto:mindvoyager1@y...] > Sent: 19 May 2002 19:49 > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [tadream] (off topic) Digital Radio in the U.K. > > > Simon, > > Just a note to let you know that I am in discussions > to bring my radio program to the U.K. Origionally I > was discussing this with Radio 3, but events have now > changed in that I will have more creativity on a > commercial outlet. This is a unique experience for me > since that for the last 18 years I have been primarily > on public/community radio in the US. > > Thanks for the info. > > Wade > --- Simon Pride wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Wade Gordon [mailto:mindvoyager1@y...] > > > Sent: 18 May 2002 19:50 > > > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: [tadream] (off topic) Digital Radio in > > the U.K. > > > > > > > > > Does anybody out there know the digital radio > > station > > > in the U.K. that plays our kind of music. > > > > > > Wade > > > > Nope. The nearest you're going to get to adventurous > > radio programming > > is Radio 6 Music and I've not heard any EM or prog > > on there to date. > > Shame, it would have been a perfect forum for Ashley Franklin's > > _Soundscapes_ if it still existed. > > > > The last time I heard TD on the radio was when Mark > > Radcliffe played the > > first half of side 1 of Tangram on his seminal > > Picadilly Radio program > > 'Transmission' back in 1980. Mark used to serve up > > an eclectic mix of > > local and national New Wave (Factory, 4AD, Postcard > > and Crepuscule acts) > > and experimental and electronic music. He also > > played, from memory: > > Richard Pinhas, Roedelius, Eno, Jon Hassell, Harold > > Budd, Thomas Dolby, > > Nyman, and many other experimental artists like Phil > > Niblock and so on. > > Of course he packed it all in to become one half of > > Mark and Lard... > > > > -- > > S > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: > > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree > info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience > http://launch.yahoo.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Admin' Date: Sun May 19, 2002 8:28 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] tree suggestion, was: Re: Re: Tangerine Tree's 2 & 3 & ........ Posted > Why? What do you have against the latter live material? I see only one > reason to discard them: if they don't have almost any new material to offer. I say leave it all in unless it is such poor quality that you only hear the sounds of clothing rustling up against one another. So what if it was heard before, offered nada new or was a bad impression. It still was presented live as well as not making a bit of difference between 70'2, 80's, 90's or what ever. I prefer most of my TD 60's, 70's. 80's but I find something in the 90's that sound pleasant to my ears. I would not want to leave something out because it was only 90's. I say quality of the recording should be the thought here. dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'John Vertical' To: Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 1:59 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] tree suggestion, was: Re: Re: Tangerine Tree's 2 & 3 & ........ > > > I totally agree and therefore suggest that only one or two excellent > > > recordings > > > of the post-1982-period will be included in the regular tree sets. > > > Peter > > > > > >*I think this is a great idea.... > >Poly > > > Why? What do you have against the latter live material? I see only one > reason to discard them: if they don't have almost any new material to offer. > (Of course this is definetly not a microscopic minority, but...) > This of course excluding all radically different versions, eg. the version > of Mojave Plan featuring the Munich Philharmonic orchestra? > > > From: Antonio Nunes Date: Sun May 19, 2002 10:49 pm Subject: Fwd: Okefenokee 2002 Photos Copy-paste from the beyond_em list: > For those interested I've posted some photos from Okefenokee > 2002 up on the AirSculpture web site. > > http://www.softbase.co.uk/as/okefenokee2/ > > Enjoy. > Pete. > -- > Peter Ruczynski > From: Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid Date: Sun May 19, 2002 10:57 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] tree suggestion, was: Re: Re: Tangerine Tree's 2 & 3 & ........ I could care less about what's on the next 2 sets....i've been a die-hard fan for over 20 yrs...and am just glad to be able to get this stuff. Mark Filipak wrote: > Synthhtnys@a... wrote: > > > > In a message dated 5/18/2002 5:40:39 PM Central Daylight Time, > > peter.stoeferle@t... writes: > > > > > I totally agree and therefore suggest that only one or two excellent > > > recordings > > > of the post-1982-period will be included in the regular tree sets. > > > Peter > > > > *I think this is a great idea.... > > Poly > > I hate to be a party pooper but I repectfully disagree. I think there are > enough excellent shows from 1982 through 1988 with enough variation to > warrant a whole box set dedicated to them. Besides, this is my favorite > era. Using your criteron, Peter, since we alreay have Fassbinder, we don't > need any other shows, eh? > > Ciao -- Mark > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Morgan Feldon Date: Mon May 20, 2002 1:25 am Subject: 'What will be on future trees?' The Tangerine Tree is designed for maximum impact. The purpose of the Tree is to release tapes which have previously been unavailable to the public as complete, or with the same sound quality. In the case of most of the 82-2001 shows, most of these tapes are already the best, or close to it. The Mojave Plan Orchestral that's floating around is already the clearest (unless S has a better tape). I think first, we will get the best recordings of shows from 74-81, especially ones not previously widely available. Then fill in with representative shows from each era, like 1 from 1988, 2 from 1992, 3 from 1983, 3 from 1980, 3 from 1981, 2 from 1982. And eventually boxed sets. For instance, for 1982 Australia, the perfect box to me is The Real Sohoman (prv Outback Voices) disc 1, and then Strange Attractions (prv Raetikon + Fractal Realities) as disc 2. Maybe not every single note is accurate to either show, but it's close enough. And then boxed sets for the completists. It's all about timing and impact. The Tree is going to be very 1975-1981 heavy, since there are so many one-off and unique concerts from then. There's no getting around it. Unless some shockingly clear tape comes forward (we already have Sonambulistic Imagery and General Relativity from 86, At the Mountains of Madness and the New Haven soundboard both from 88, etc.), the later years aren't going to get touched on too much I think. I could be off base though. Bottom line is, I am seeing flared tempers over something that's just started. let's not sabotage or attack it (or each other) when we will get all the music, just not tomorrow! Diehard collectors and professional concert archivists are finally opening the door to their collections, and I am supremely thankful. I think many people will never know how much grief, work, and quite frankly, money and diehard trades, were necessary to secure some of these tapes. -Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34063 Re: 'What will be on future trees?' Jonathan Holt Mon 5/20/2002 2 KB 34076 Re: 'What will be on future trees?' kesbol Tue 5/21/2002 2 KB 34077 Re: 'What will be on future trees?' Heiko Heerssen Tue 5/21/2002 3 KB From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Mon May 20, 2002 9:07 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Three Tier Dream - Digital Times So, was this the 'Logos ending' you meant, then? Or did they play a yet different version at the Dominion? Dennis On 17 May 2002 at 15:02, Morgan Feldon wrote: > > >Dennis Nigbur said: > > > >Birmingham? News to me, but yes - I do mean the 3Tier Dream > >concert. > > > >Dennis > > As I guessed! > > Disc 2 of 3 Tier Dream 'Digital Times' is the first set of the > 1981.10.20 Hammersmith Odeon concert. > > Ignore the '1982' notation. Never trust a bootleg label! > > That said, yes, Hammersmith Odeon had probably the best performance > ever of 'Bondy Parade', with Johannes Schmoelling playing the lead > line for a bit before Edgar gets up on stage (to applause) and takes > over on electric guitar. > > I was surprised when Edgar chose an Australia show to release (well, > doctor), as the performances of Bondy Parade down under were rather > lackluster. (Edgar chose to completely excise the guitar work anyway!) > > -Morgan > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Jonathan Holt Date: Mon May 20, 2002 1:16 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] 'What will be on future trees?' Of course, there must be people like myself, fans for years, who obviously never had the right connections, and only now are getting the opportunity to own these fantastic recordings, breathing new life into their TD obsession. Before the Tangerine Tree, I had managed to get about 6 bootlegs in the space of 15 years - mostly through luck. Pretty pathetic! Thanks to the tree, my live collection has obviously more than doubled in one shot. Whatever Heiko and friends choose to present to us: BRING IT ON!!! ______________________________________________________________________ Find, Connect, Date! http://personals.yahoo.ca From: Jonathan Holt Date: Mon May 20, 2002 1:20 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Three Phase Video Hi Martyn, I would be interested in a DVD of this show. Are you in/or able to code a DVD for region 1? Let me know what cost would be incurred for this. Unfortunately I do not have anything I could trade. Thanks, Jonathan. --- tadreaming@c... wrote: > I have Three Phase on Laser disc and a DVD recorder > if anyone is interested. > I would consider trades. I transfered it from laser > to DVD for myself, and > looks excellent. > > Martyn > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ______________________________________________________________________ Find, Connect, Date! http://personals.yahoo.ca From: Dan Downey Date: Mon May 20, 2002 2:10 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Mysteries --- John Vertical wrote: > >*The White Eagle is a symbol used in Alchemical > traditions.... > >TD have used various metaphysical and mystical > symbols for ages so it > >always > >strikes me as odd when a TD fan is surprised at the > 'New Age' connection. > >Not only are the song titles often reffering to it, > but there are quotes > >from > >Buddha > >and Lao Tsu in the liner notes.... > >Poly > > > Most TD titles are cryptic enough even if one does > not want to bother his > head with speculative religion connections... > Origin of Supernatural Probabilities? Big Sleep In > Search Of Hades? Yeah, > right. > > As TD's (and Edgar's in particular) goal has always > been to produce > 'surreal' music (which IMHO did not succeed too well > after Schmoelling came > in), it is understandable that the titles are also > mysterious. > > If we take Magritte's (if someone doesn't know: he > was surreal painter too, > but not as known than Dali) titles for example... > it's at least equally > confusing. A picture of a living tree with cabinets > carved inside it, one of > them closed, the other two open and housing a ball & > a dollhouse... This it > titled 'Voice of the Blood'. Huh? > > Surrealists choose titles by what does sound weir > enough. There's no inner > meaning - but you of course can speculate, if you > want. But I don't think > there's anything to be really found. I'm a great admirer of Magritte and many Surreailist artists and what I like about them is not so much their artistic talant (which of course is great) but that what they do is thought provoking - taking the ordinary and putting it in an unusual context or vice versa. I think that TD and other EM do much the same for me and I can understnad how they often get linked DanD > > But this sense of mystery has to me always been an > integral part of TD's > music. > > John Vertical > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: > http://mobile.msn.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ===== DanD - aka DJAmbient www.dtbits.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From: Dan Downey Date: Mon May 20, 2002 3:10 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Mysteries --- fozziebear wrote: > John Vertical wrote: > > > If we take Magritte's (if someone doesn't know: he > was surreal painter > too, > > but not as known than Dali) titles for example... > it's at least equally > > confusing. A picture of a living tree with > cabinets carved inside it, one > of > > them closed, the other two open and housing a ball > & a dollhouse... This > it > > titled 'Voice of the Blood'. Huh? > > If you like Magritte and Dali, take a look at Laurie > Lipton's work. > > David > > Don't forget Yves Tanguey, most prints you see don't do his painting justice. DanD > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ===== DanD - aka DJAmbient www.dtbits.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From: 'Adele Outland' Date: Mon May 20, 2002 4:12 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Logos 'Wake Up' I, too, heard 'right now' in the beginning along with 'lighten up' so it appears we have all gotten many messages and meanings out of this passage. There is another track, Clearwater Canyon, which clearly shouts (to me anyway) 'Beware!' 8-) Dell All IMO of course. >From: Paul Fellows >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: Re: [tadream] Logos 'Wake Up' >Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 17:39:33 +0200 > >I don't agree, I think it says 'right now' :-) > > > It's a voice sample of someone saying 'Wake up'. As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34088 Re: Logos 'Wake Up' TheInfection Wed 5/22/2002 2 KB From: Morgan Feldon Date: Mon May 20, 2002 5:34 pm Subject: Logos >Dennis Nigbur said: > >So, was this the 'Logos ending' you meant, then? Or did they play a yet >different >version at the Dominion? > >Dennis Ok, let's look at disc 2 of 3 Tier Dream 'Digital Times' which is the first set of the 1981.10.20 Hammersmith Odeon concert. It starts out with a 10 minute version of what would become the first 3 1/2 minutes of 'Logos', which matches the first 3 1/2 minutes of every October-November 1982 show. Then there's Sobornost, and 2 other tracks, neither of which have been released (a crime!). Finally, the last 10 minutes is a festive romp, 'Bondy Parade'. The only version ever released of this is the heavily overdubbed, lackluster version released sans guitar as 'Sohoman'. As for 'original Logos ending', I am assuming you mean in regards to having a better 'official Logos CD' if Edgar gave me the chance topic I posted last week. I shouldn't call it the Logos ending, because it's actually the upbeat part BEFORE the Logos 'coda' ending which ended the 2nd main set of the concert. In this case, using the official Logos SBM CD as a reference, 36:36-42:11 on the CD is much more subdued than the wild melodic parts Johannes played live at each show. To be honest, the Logos release is a lot closer to, say, the 1982.11.11 Dusseldorf show, as this show was similarly subdued. -Morgan From: 'Scott' Date: Mon May 20, 2002 5:55 pm Subject: TD & Lovecraft > Yes, and a few years ago, one fan gave me crap when I >suggested that a boot be named after a Lovecraftian reference, >yet since then, another fan went and gave a TD boot a >Lovecraftian name, so the cat's out of the bag. ;) TD & HPL: Two of my faves! Which boots were those? Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35718 Re: TD & Lovecraft losmara losmara Tue 8/27/2002 2 KB From: 'Craig Cordrey' Date: Mon May 20, 2002 6:19 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Digest Number 1351 > From: Wade Gordon > Subject: RE: (off topic) Digital Radio in the U.K. > > Just a note to let you know that I am in discussions > to bring my radio program to the U.K. Origionally I > was discussing this with Radio 3, but events have now > changed in that I will have more creativity on a > commercial outlet. This is a unique experience for me > since that for the last 18 years I have been primarily > on public/community radio in the US. Wade, This sounds great - I hope it works out for you (and us!). A couple of points: 1) Why does a commercial station offer more creativity? I expected the opposite, since you have to entice advertisers to pay for their adverts in your show. With Radio 3 being part of Public Service Broadcasting, I assumed you would be more able to play what you liked. 2) Commercial radio is typically broadcast in regions, rather than the nationwide nature of Radio 3. Unless your show become a hit, it is likely that a major part of the UK will not be able to hear it. But, for all that, good luck. Craig From: peter.stoeferle@t... Date: Mon May 20, 2002 7:27 pm Subject: tree suggestion - some words to make it clear Hello Mark, hello Tree members, some words to end up a discussion caused by a misunderstanding: > > > I totally agree and therefore suggest that only one or two excellent > > > recordings > > > of the post-1982-period will be included in the regular tree sets. > > > Peter > > > > *I think this is a great idea.... > > Poly > > I hate to be a party pooper but I repectfully disagree. I think there are > enough excellent shows from 1982 through 1988 with enough variation to > warrant a whole box set dedicated to them. Besides, this is my favorite > era. Using your criteron, Peter, since we alreay have Fassbinder, we don't > need any other shows, eh? > Mark The above quote from my initial post is misleading because it does not tell the complete idea I tried to explain. Of course there are many excellent post-1982 concerts and these should also be part of the Tree. My proposal was (and still is) to include one or two shows of *each* post-1982 tour as well as *each* single gig event (Fassbinder, Shepherd's Bush, Seelenbinder Halle,...) so that the music material really is covered completely. Additionally, 'completists' among us should then get the chance to order complete Tree boxes for example of the 1988 or the 1997 tours (which will offer no new music material but probably slight variations of the music that then will have already been distributed by the Tree). So I think, Mark, we are not too far from the same point... - By the way, if I thought that 'Fassbinder' in 1983 was enough to cover TD's output of the last 18 years, I would certainly no longer be collector of their music nor member of this list ;-) So this was *not* my criterion. Peter From: 'E Neal Frost' Date: Tue May 21, 2002 12:38 am Subject: TT1 Review - TT17 and Beyond Hello All, Thank You, Thank You, THANK YOU!!! I love the artwork for this set. And the music is superb!! I am listening to Berlin 1976 right now and it is incredible!! And as for future Trees, I don't think we should limit ourselves at all. I am sure there are people on the list that are missing a lot of concerts from there collection, and would jump at the chance to get them. I know I would. I know the reason for the Trees in the first place was because of the low gen tapes that were coming out, but this is a great way for newer collectors to gain a great collection. And isn't that the ultimate goal, to share The Tangs music? Just my $0.02 Neal Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34073 Re: TT1 Review - TT17 and Beyond Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid Tue 5/21/2002 3 KB From: Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid Date: Tue May 21, 2002 1:12 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TT1 Review - TT17 and Beyond I couldn't agree more...especially since good music is hard to find tese days. ========================================================= E Neal Frost wrote: > And as for future Trees, I don't think we should limit ourselves at all. I > am sure there are people on the list that are missing a lot of concerts from > there collection, and would jump at the chance to get them. I know I would. > I know the reason for the Trees in the first place was because of the low > gen tapes that were coming out, but this is a great way for newer collectors > to gain a great collection. And isn't that the ultimate goal, to share The > Tangs music? > > Just my $0.02 > > Neal > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: atye@a... Date: Tue May 21, 2002 2:29 am Subject: OT : 'Copy Proof' CDs Cracked With 99-Cent Marker 'Copy Proof' CDs Cracked With 99-Cent Marker By Bernhard Warner Reuters LONDON (May 20) - Technology buffs have cracked music publishing giant Sony Music's elaborate disc copy-protection technology with a decidedly low-tech method: scribbling around the rim of a disk with a felt-tip marker. Internet newsgroups have been circulating news of the discovery for the past week, and in typical newsgroup style, users have pilloried Sony for deploying 'hi-tech' copy protection that can be defeated by paying a visit to a stationery store. 'I wonder what type of copy protection will come next?' one posting on alt.music.prince read. 'Maybe they'll ban markers.' Sony did not immediately return calls seeking comment. Major music labels, including Sony and Universal Music, have begun selling the 'copy-proof' discs as a means of tackling the rampant spread of music piracy, which they claim is eating into sales. The new technology aims to prevent consumers from copying, or 'burning,' music onto recordable CDs or onto their computer hard drives, which can then be shared with other users over file-sharing Internet services such as Kazaa or Morpheus MusicCity. SONY AGGRESSIVE ANTI-PIRACY PUSH On Monday, Reuters obtained an ordinary copy of Celine Dion's newest release 'A New Day Has Come,' which comes embedded with Sony's 'Key2Audio' technology. After an initial attempt to play the disc on a PC resulted in failure, the edge of the shiny side of the disc was blackened out with a felt tip marker. The second attempt with the marked-up CD played and copied to the hard drive without a hitch. Internet postings claim that tape or even a sticky note can also be used to cover the security track, typically located on the outer rim of the disc. And there are suggestions that copy protection schemes used by other music labels can also be circumvented in a similar way. Sony's proprietary technology, deployed on many recent releases, works by adding a track to the copy-protected disc that contains bogus data. Because computer hard drives are programmed to read data files first, the computer will continuously try to play the bogus track first. It never gets to play the music tracks located elsewhere on the compact disc. The effect is that the copy-protected disc will play on standard CD players but not on computer CD-Rom drives, some portable devices and even some car stereo systems. Some Apple Macintosh users have reported that playing the disc in the computer's CD drive causes the computer to crash. The cover of the copy-protected discs contain a warning that the album will not play on Macintoshes or other personal computers. Apple has since posted a warning on its website at: http:/kbase.info.apple.com/cgibin/WebObjects/kbase.woa/wa/query?searchMode-Ass isted&type-id&val-KC.106882. Sony Music Europe has taken the most aggressive anti-piracy stance in the business. Since last fall, the label has shipped more than 11 million copy-protected discs in Europe, with the largest proportion going to Germany, a market label executives claim is rife with illegal CD-burning. 05/20/02 13:08 ET [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: scfeldman@j... Date: Tue May 21, 2002 2:51 am Subject: Re: [tadream] LOGOS: THE KEEP II On Sat, 18 May 2002 16:15:23 EDT Synthhtnys@a... writes: > In a message dated 5/18/2002 12:50:04 PM Central Daylight Time, > scfeldman@j... writes: >>>*Logostype is my favorite Schmoelling era bootleg. >> >> That wouldn't be because of the presence of all the >>KEEP-related material by chance, would it? ;) > >*Really? What are the cue points for these cuts? From http://www.rutka.de/td/keep.htm#keep-logostype : Tracks 3-7 contain music not on LOGOS that sounds similar to that in the film known as 'The Keep.' 3. Rush of Joy (5:09) cf TDI track 16: Heritage Survival 4. Mirage (2:37) 5. Desert Run (3:57) cf TDI track 8: Sign in the Dark; cf South Camora 6. Renewed Purpose (4:18) cf TDI track 6: The Night in Romania 7. Dreamscape (6:12) ??? >Poly -- Steven Feldman + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + | 'Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence' -- Albert Einstein | | 'Absence of the KEEP LP is not evidence of its non-existence' -- Me | + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'kesbol' Date: Tue May 21, 2002 10:26 am Subject: Re: 'What will be on future trees?' All, Are we then likely to get some stuff from the 1978 Cyclone tour? Not everyone's cup of tea I know, but I would love to hear some live stuff from the Froese, Franke, Jolliffe, Kreiger line-up. Kevin. --- In tadream@y..., Morgan Feldon wrote: I think first, we will get the best recordings of shows from 74-81, > especially ones not previously widely available. The Tree is going to be very 1975-1981 heavy, since there are so many one-off and unique concerts from then. There's no getting around it. -Morgan From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Tue May 21, 2002 11:24 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: 'What will be on future trees?' > Are we then likely to get some stuff from the 1978 Cyclone tour? > > Not everyone's cup of tea I know, but I would love to hear some live > stuff from the Froese, Franke, Jolliffe, Kreiger line-up. I wanted Hamburg Audimax 24 February 1978 to be a part of the forthcoming 'Tree' , but wasn't really happy with the two remastered versions I received, so I decided to use something else instead. The problem with the fantapes from the 'Cyclone' tour is that maybe only 3 or 4 of them have a sound quality which I would consider as good (and 'good' means that the sound quality is still far from being on the same level as Nottingham 76) But I think that sooner or later one of these tapes will end up on the Tangerine Tree. Heiko From: 'Yannick EDOM' Date: Tue May 21, 2002 3:13 pm Subject: Finally Back on line - DREAMWATCHERS TALES III Hi everyone I'm finally back online after these past months of hard works to do. So i was very busy and couldn't see posts on the Mailing lists. It appears you want a new volume of the Dreamwatchers' Tales project. So be it ! I hope this time to get enough tracks to fill two CDRs. For the DWT II i didn't got enough track that's why the Nightbirds one is longer than the 10 minutes maximum required. I had some contacts from various contributors who NEVER SENT ME THEIR PROMISED TRACK. So now Dreamwatchers' Tales III is open. You can contact me for details. The rule is simple. One (or more) track(s) is needed on CDR audio. Each track must be between 3 and 10 minutes long. The contributors can send me their track directly to my address (see below) with the title and artists name(s). But if you see you can't create your track before october 30th 2002 , please contact me too. The closing date is OCTOBER 30th 2002 Yannick Edom Mirage Créations Champlain B7 A 101 47 Chemin de Pelleport 31500 TOULOUSE FRANCE e-mail : yannick.edom@s... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34079 Re: Finally Back on line - DREAMWATCHERS TALES II Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid Tue 5/21/2002 3 KB 34080 Re: Finally Back on line - DREAMWATCHERS TALES II Administrator for kay-net.com Tue 5/21/2002 4 KB 34089 Re: Finally Back on line - DREAMWATCHERS TALES II Matthew Stringer Wed 5/22/2002 4 KB 34090 Re: Finally Back on line - DREAMWATCHERS TALES II PERGAMON Wed 5/22/2002 4 KB 34099 Re: Finally Back on line - DREAMWATCHERS TALES II Admin Thu 5/23/2002 5 KB 34103 Re: Finally Back on line - DREAMWATCHERS TALES II jerome Thu 5/23/2002 3 KB From: Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid Date: Tue May 21, 2002 3:18 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Finally Back on line - DREAMWATCHERS TALES III Yeeeeeehaw! Yannick EDOM wrote: > Hi everyone > > I'm finally back online after these past months of hard works to do. > > So i was very busy and couldn't see posts on the Mailing lists. > > It appears you want a new volume of the Dreamwatchers' Tales project. > > So be it ! > > I hope this time to get enough tracks to fill two CDRs. > > For the DWT II i didn't got enough track that's why the Nightbirds one is > longer than the 10 minutes maximum required. > > I had some contacts from various contributors who NEVER SENT ME THEIR > PROMISED TRACK. > > So now Dreamwatchers' Tales III is open. > > You can contact me for details. > > The rule is simple. > > One (or more) track(s) is needed on CDR audio. > > Each track must be between 3 and 10 minutes long. > > The contributors can send me their track directly to my address (see below) > with the title and artists name(s). > > But if you see you can't create your track before october 30th 2002 , please > contact me too. > > The closing date is OCTOBER 30th 2002 > > Yannick Edom > Mirage Créations > Champlain B7 A 101 > 47 Chemin de Pelleport > 31500 TOULOUSE > FRANCE > > e-mail : yannick.edom@s... > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Tue May 21, 2002 3:51 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Finally Back on line - DREAMWATCHERS TALES III There you have it! Welcome back! Dale ;-) Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Yannick EDOM' To: Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 8:13 AM Subject: [tadream] Finally Back on line - DREAMWATCHERS TALES III > Hi everyone > > I'm finally back online after these past months of hard works to do. > > So i was very busy and couldn't see posts on the Mailing lists. > > It appears you want a new volume of the Dreamwatchers' Tales project. > > So be it ! > > I hope this time to get enough tracks to fill two CDRs. > > For the DWT II i didn't got enough track that's why the Nightbirds one is > longer than the 10 minutes maximum required. > > I had some contacts from various contributors who NEVER SENT ME THEIR > PROMISED TRACK. > > So now Dreamwatchers' Tales III is open. > > You can contact me for details. > > The rule is simple. > > One (or more) track(s) is needed on CDR audio. > > Each track must be between 3 and 10 minutes long. > > The contributors can send me their track directly to my address (see below) > with the title and artists name(s). > > But if you see you can't create your track before october 30th 2002 , please > contact me too. > > The closing date is OCTOBER 30th 2002 > > > > Yannick Edom > Mirage Créations > Champlain B7 A 101 > 47 Chemin de Pelleport > 31500 TOULOUSE > FRANCE > > e-mail : yannick.edom@s... > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Tom Richmond' Date: Tue May 21, 2002 5:44 pm Subject: Dreamwatchers' Tales II Hello everyone, With all the talk of Dreamwatchers' Tales III, I thought I should probably close out the Dreamwatchers' II tree. From this point forward, if you're interested in a copy of DWT II, please post to the list and someone will surely work a trade with you. I will no longer be searching out branches for the latecomers. If you'd like to do copies, post that to the list as well - maybe you'll get someone interested who wasn't here when we started. (An aside to Joe Shoults - when you get an opportunity, please remove the e-mail links on the tadream.net page.) If there is anyone who signed up for the tree and never got a copy, please contact me and I'll see to it you're taken care of. Cheers! Tom P.S. Yannick - please contact me when we're ready to organize a tree for DWT III. ____________________________ IMPORTANT NOTICE: This message is intended only for the addressee. If you received this message in error, please delete the material from your computer and notify the sender by email. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not copy, disclose, or distribute this message or its contents to any other person and such actions may be unlawful. From: Totta Date: Tue May 21, 2002 6:11 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Dreamwatchers' Tales II Hi all. I just recived my DWT II and it is awsome, but i wonder if anyone can help me out with the first one ?? Please contact me off list , Thanks in advance Totta Tom Richmond wrote: >Hello everyone, > >With all the talk of Dreamwatchers' Tales III, I thought I should probably >close out the Dreamwatchers' II tree. > >>From this point forward, if you're interested in a copy of DWT II, please >post to the list and someone will surely work a trade with you. I will no >longer be searching out branches for the latecomers. If you'd like to do >copies, post that to the list as well - maybe you'll get someone interested >who wasn't here when we started. > >(An aside to Joe Shoults - when you get an opportunity, please remove the >e-mail links on the tadream.net page.) > >If there is anyone who signed up for the tree and never got a copy, please >contact me and I'll see to it you're taken care of. > >Cheers! > >Tom > >P.S. Yannick - please contact me when we're ready to organize a tree for >DWT III. > > >____________________________ >IMPORTANT NOTICE: This message is intended only for the addressee. If you received this message in error, please delete the material from your computer and notify the sender by email. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not copy, disclose, or distribute this message or its contents to any other person and such actions may be unlawful. > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- >Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at >http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > >Tangerine Tree info at >http://www.tadream.net/tree > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Scott' Date: Tue May 21, 2002 6:17 pm Subject: Re: Logos 'Wake up' >I, too, heard 'right now' in the beginning along with 'lighten up' so it >appears we have all gotten many messages and meanings out of this passage. >There is another track, Clearwater Canyon, which clearly shouts (to me >anyway) 'Beware!' 8-) Dell I seem to recall reading on TD's web site or somewhere else that it was indeed 'wake up.' Scott From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Wed May 22, 2002 12:55 am Subject: Legend DVD 'Isolated Score' Okay, in case you didn't know: the 'isolated score' by Tangerine Dream is *not* the score as it appears in the film. It is the soundtrack album played over the movie. In other words, you do not get to hear the ambient and extra music that didn't appear on the album; instead, you are getting *the album* itself (with long silent gaps between some songs). No Meg-MuckleBones theme, no extended Unicorn theme, no Final Battle music... Personally, this is a disappointment. But I've yet to watch the first DVD with the full film (with Goldsmith score), so I don't consider the purchase a loss. My VHS tape was near the end of life, anyway. - jim __________________________________________________ Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia, USA moxica@m... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34086 Re: Legend DVD 'Isolated Score' Dave Brewer Wed 5/22/2002 5 KB 34156 Re: Legend DVD 'Isolated Score' Jim Moore Wed 5/29/2002 5 KB 34158 Re: Legend DVD 'Isolated Score' Mark Filipak Wed 5/29/2002 2 KB 34159 Re: Legend DVD 'Isolated Score' John Vertical Wed 5/29/2002 2 KB From: 'E Neal Frost' Date: Wed May 22, 2002 1:10 am Subject: Off Topic.....sort of..... Hello All, Now I know that there are JMJ fans on this list as well, right? How about Delerium? Nostradamus? Please contact me off list. I have just discovered Delerium and Nostradamus and would like to learn more. I also need to trade for copies of some cover art for all three of the above. Thanks Neal 'We now return you to our regularly scheduled discussions.' From: 'Dave Brewer' Date: Wed May 22, 2002 2:02 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Legend DVD 'Isolated Score' Jim said: >Okay, in case you didn't know: the 'isolated score' by Tangerine Dream >is *not* the score as it appears in the film. It is the soundtrack >album played over the movie. In other words, you do not get to hear the >ambient and extra music that didn't appear on the album; instead, you >are getting *the album* itself (with long silent gaps between some >songs). No Meg-MuckleBones theme, no extended Unicorn theme, no Final >Battle music... > I got my DVD set yesterday, and I must say that except for the so-called isolated TD score, the whole package is awesome! I was hoping to finally get to hear the other cues from the film, but oh well. I should have known by the odd disclaimer that was displayed before the film started that we weren't getting a true isolated score track. Strangely enough, it does still have the theme that plays during the text scroll at the beginning of the film, which of course isn't on the official soundtrack release. But everything else is just lifted from the album. But that's good news for those who haven't been able to secure a copy of the soundtrack yet. >Personally, this is a disappointment. But I've yet to watch the first >DVD with the full film (with Goldsmith score), so I don't consider the >purchase a loss. My VHS tape was near the end of life, anyway. > I watched the directors cut last night, and it's like a totally different film! Well, maybe not totally, but it's very different. I thought Goldsmith's soundtrack was very good, and went very well with the visuals. And he even used more synths than I would have guessed. But I still prefer TD's score for some strange reason. ;-) And with the extra footage that was chopped for the regular release, the film makes more sense. I will admit that I had to fight the urge to say that the director's cut was paced too slowly. I guess I was just too used to the MTV-music-video sort of editing that I had seen with the original cut countless times before. I still like the original version, but I really enjoyed the director's cut, and wonder why they felt they had to cut so much out... And the film looks and sounds great. The DTS track was most impressive. The original cut clearly didn't get the same treatment video and sound-wise, but it still looks and sounds the best it ever has by a long shot. The deleted scenes were cool to see, as was the documentary. I look forward to hearing the commentary over the director's cut, as I've read it's very good. I'm not normally big on commentaries, having only listened to the hilarious one on the Spinal Tap DVD. The Bryan Ferry music video is a nice piece of 80's cheese, complete with a cameo by David Gilmour (who of course played guitar on that song). I must not be a very big TD fan, as this is the first DVD of a movie they've scored that I've bought. And I didn't buy it just for the version of the film they scored! :-) I guess I'll have to start getting some other TD movie DVDs to redeem myself... Dave B. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34156 Re: Legend DVD 'Isolated Score' Jim Moore Wed 5/29/2002 5 KB From: 'heineu' Date: Wed May 22, 2002 5:53 am Subject: 5000 visitors Hello TD Fan`s, Today I expect the 5000 visitor on my homepage www.opticaldream.de since the 26.November 2000. I say thank you to all my visitors. Power all further so and visits regularly my homepage with again and again new Tangerine Dream articles in my collection. Regards heiko - Mr. Optical www.opticaldream.de www.tribute-to-ashra.de From: TheInfection Date: Wed May 22, 2002 8:15 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Logos 'Wake Up' Oh, damn it people! It says 'wake up'! If I can hear it that way, then it is 'wake up'. Regards, TheInfection --- Adele Outland wrote: > I, too, heard 'right now' in the beginning along > with 'lighten up' so it > appears we have all gotten many messages and > meanings out of this passage. > There is another track, Clearwater Canyon, which > clearly shouts (to me > anyway) 'Beware!' 8-) Dell > > All IMO of course. ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From: 'Matthew Stringer' Date: Wed May 22, 2002 8:54 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Finally Back on line - DREAMWATCHERS TALES III I didn't realise that we were short for the last one, makes more sense why there were multiple tracks by the same artist. Put me down for a tune or two, still unsure why the one I sent last time didn't appear though, must've been shite! Matt ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Yannick EDOM' To: Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 4:13 PM Subject: [tadream] Finally Back on line - DREAMWATCHERS TALES III > Hi everyone > > I'm finally back online after these past months of hard works to do. > > So i was very busy and couldn't see posts on the Mailing lis > > It appears you want a new volume of the Dreamwatchers' Tales project. > > So be it ! > > I hope this time to get enough tracks to fill two CDRs. > > For the DWT II i didn't got enough track that's why the Nightbirds one is > longer than the 10 minutes maximum required. > > I had some contacts from various contributors who NEVER SENT ME THEIR > PROMISED TRACK. > > So now Dreamwatchers' Tales III is open. > > You can contact me for details. > > The rule is simple. > > One (or more) track(s) is needed on CDR audio. > > Each track must be between 3 and 10 minutes long. > > The contributors can send me their track directly to my address (see below) > with the title and artists name(s). > > But if you see you can't create your track before october 30th 2002 , please > contact me too. > > The closing date is OCTOBER 30th 2002 > > > > Yannick Edom > Mirage Créations > Champlain B7 A 101 > 47 Chemin de Pelleport > 31500 TOULOUSE > FRANCE > > e-mail : yannick.edom@s... > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Wed May 22, 2002 9:04 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Finally Back on line - DREAMWATCHERS TALES III Hi Yannick Put me in for a track (or two)................. Regards Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Yannick EDOM' To: Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 5:13 PM Subject: [tadream] Finally Back on line - DREAMWATCHERS TALES III > Hi everyone > > I'm finally back online after these past months of hard works to do. > > So i was very busy and couldn't see posts on the Mailing lists. > > It appears you want a new volume of the Dreamwatchers' Tales project. > > So be it ! > > I hope this time to get enough tracks to fill two CDRs. > > For the DWT II i didn't got enough track that's why the Nightbirds one is > longer than the 10 minutes maximum required. > > I had some contacts from various contributors who NEVER SENT ME THEIR > PROMISED TRACK. > > So now Dreamwatchers' Tales III is open. > > You can contact me for details. > > The rule is simple. > > One (or more) track(s) is needed on CDR audio. > > Each track must be between 3 and 10 minutes long. > > The contributors can send me their track directly to my address (see below) > with the title and artists name(s). > > But if you see you can't create your track before october 30th 2002 , please > contact me too. > > The closing date is OCTOBER 30th 2002 > > > > Yannick Edom > Mirage Créations > Champlain B7 A 101 > 47 Chemin de Pelleport > 31500 TOULOUSE > FRANCE > > e-mail : yannick.edom@s... > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: John McIntyre Date: Wed May 22, 2002 12:23 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] tree suggestion, was: Re: Re: Tangerine Tree's 2 & 3 & ........ peter.stoeferle@t... wrote: > Hello Heiko and all the others, > > > > Ultimately every TD concert in history will come out as a Tangerine Tree. > > > > errm..... I don't believe there is big demand for hearing every single > > fantape from the 1990, 1992 or 1997 concert tours, ... > > I think it's enough if we include only one or two recordings from the above > > mentioned tours, since the music played within a concert tour was basically > > identical. As most of you will know this wasn't the case with TD's live > > concerts up to 1978, during the 70s each concert was more less > > improvisational and 'unique'. And this is the period which I think the > > Tangerine Tree should focus upon. Yeah, everything you say is right, but... I want a copy of the 1997 show that I was at. I want Detroit, even if it's 'basically identical' to Toronto, I want Detroit. If it exists, put it out. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre@p... From: 'John Vertical' Date: Wed May 22, 2002 2:05 pm Subject: Livemiles part 1 - the source? Okay, this is a studio creation. But does anyone know whether it was composed before or after Chris Franke left? I mean, the album was released in 88 so that would imply non-Franke, but it doesn't sound much like that. Eg: index 3 is highly sequenced, pretty reminescent of Underwater Sunlight - this is indeed mentioned in the Dream Roots booklet too. So, was this a patchwork of previously unreleased material, or composed specially for the album? Are there any facts about this? John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34100 Re: Livemiles part 1 - the source? TheInfection Thu 5/23/2002 3 KB 34101 Re: Livemiles part 1 - the source? Heiko Heerssen Thu 5/23/2002 3 KB 34104 Re: Livemiles part 1 - the source? TheInfection Thu 5/23/2002 2 KB From: Morgan Feldon Date: Wed May 22, 2002 3:22 pm Subject: Detroit 1997? >Yeah, everything you say is right, but... > >I want a copy of the 1997 show that I was at. I want Detroit, even if it's >'basically identical' to Toronto, I want Detroit. If it exists, put it out. > >John McIntyre >Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept >Michigan State University >mcintyre@p... Tangerine Dream played Detroit in 1997? Wait til Paul finds out. :) -Morgan P.S. If you mean Detroit 1977, there is already a very clear recording 'Snackbar Dreamer in Detroit', much clearer than any tape of Toronto 77. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34182 Re: Detroit 1997? John McIntyre Thu 5/30/2002 2 KB 34183 Re: Detroit 1997? Peter Ravn Thu 5/30/2002 3 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed May 22, 2002 3:53 pm Subject: RE: [TT1] Not sure. I'll have to check (i'm working on the file at home), but that data is out of date on the website. I'm way behind and I keep syaing I'll get to it 'tonight', but then something seems to always get in the way. Very busy time. Sorry for the delay, and I would hope tho, that not having up-to-date data on who has their disks would not be affecting the actual propagation (except for me not nagging people). Notwithstanding unforseen circumstances, I'll do it tonight and send out a nag for incomplete trades! Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: tei waz [mailto:teiwazbarana@h...] > Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 3:25 AM > To: jshoults@f...; teiwazbarana@h... > Subject: [TT1] > > > Joe > > as far as I can tell from the tangerine tree database, none > of james owens > descendents received their SHNs (civance@y... (chad vance), > jeff.lester@v..., and myself included)--any ideas what > can be done to > help this along? > > --T > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34095 Re: [TT1] Morgan Feldon Wed 5/22/2002 3 KB 34096 Re: [TT1] Owens, James Wed 5/22/2002 4 KB 34102 Re: [TT1] Joe Shoults Thu 5/23/2002 2 KB From: Morgan Feldon Date: Wed May 22, 2002 3:40 pm Subject: RE: [TT1] Ok, I seeded James 7 weeks ago. Please send me your mailing address and Jeff's mailing address and you will have it Monday. I already sent Chad the music as mp3s and will probably send it to him again as SHN. The next tree will be limited to people who can fulfill their tree responsibility in 2-3 weeks, provided they don't have any problem with the source. -Morgan At 11:53 AM 5/22/2002 -0400, Joe Shoults wrote: >Not sure. I'll have to check (i'm working on the file at home), but that >data is out of date on the website. I'm way behind and I keep syaing I'll >get to it 'tonight', but then something seems to always get in the way. >Very busy time. > >Sorry for the delay, and I would hope tho, that not having up-to-date data >on who has their disks would not be affecting the actual propagation >(except for me not nagging people). > >Notwithstanding unforseen circumstances, I'll do it tonight and send out a >nag for incomplete trades! > >Joe > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tei waz [mailto:teiwazbarana@h...] > > Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 3:25 AM > > To: jshoults@f...; teiwazbarana@h... > > Subject: [TT1] > > > > > > Joe > > > > as far as I can tell from the tangerine tree database, none > > of james owens > > descendents received their SHNs (civance@y... (chad vance), > > jeff.lester@v..., and myself included)--any ideas what > > can be done to > > help this along? > > > > --T > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > From: 'Owens, James' Date: Wed May 22, 2002 7:36 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] RE: [TT1] Sorry about the delay folks. I've swapped computers and the burner would not talk to the new computer. I've put the burner back in the old computer and burned a few discs last night. I will finish burning discs tonight. I'll happily return any blanks or other trades sent my way along with the SHN's. Please contact me privately to make other arrangements. James > -----Original Message----- > From: Morgan Feldon [mailto:feldon@f...] > Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 10:41 AM > To: Joe Shoults; 'tadream@yahoogroups.com'; 'tei waz'; > jeff.lester@v... > Cc: 'morgan@t...' > Subject: [tadream] RE: [TT1] > > > Ok, I seeded James 7 weeks ago. > > Please send me your mailing address and Jeff's mailing > address and you will > have it Monday. > > I already sent Chad the music as mp3s and will probably send > it to him > again as SHN. > > The next tree will be limited to people who can fulfill their tree > responsibility in 2-3 weeks, provided they don't have any > problem with the > source. > > -Morgan > > At 11:53 AM 5/22/2002 -0400, Joe Shoults wrote: > >Not sure. I'll have to check (i'm working on the file at > home), but that > >data is out of date on the website. I'm way behind and I > keep syaing I'll > >get to it 'tonight', but then something seems to always get > in the way. > >Very busy time. > > > >Sorry for the delay, and I would hope tho, that not having > up-to-date data > >on who has their disks would not be affecting the actual propagation > >(except for me not nagging people). > > > >Notwithstanding unforseen circumstances, I'll do it tonight > and send out a > >nag for incomplete trades! > > > >Joe > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: tei waz [mailto:teiwazbarana@h...] > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 3:25 AM > > > To: jshoults@f...; teiwazbarana@h... > > > Subject: [TT1] > > > > > > > > > Joe > > > > > > as far as I can tell from the tangerine tree database, none > > > of james owens > > > descendents received their SHNs (civance@y... (chad vance), > > > jeff.lester@v..., and myself included)--any ideas what > > > can be done to > > > help this along? > > > > > > --T > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Morgan Feldon Date: Wed May 22, 2002 10:55 pm Subject: E-mail Routing The routing of the message I replied to was modified to include the list and I didn't notice the change when I replied. I apologize for calling you out in front of the list, James, that was not my intention. -Morgan From: atye@a... Date: Thu May 23, 2002 1:49 am Subject: (no subject) Ok Brian, I have this crate of 5,000 copies of the 1977 Toronto show ready to sell for $20 a piece... This is the unknown soundboard tape we discussed with the Encore studio outtakes included... I can make more if needed... oops, I meant that to go off-list ... Has this ever happened to you ?? Embarrassed by an itchy mouse finger ?? Making the tadream mailing list a 'CC' list instead of a 'Reply' list should let a lot of people sleep easier at night. (Except maybe Edgar...) All in favor say 'AYE'.... (note: this has been a humorous reenactment of a very serious problem, made by a sleep-deprived madman) ATYE [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Admin' Date: Thu May 23, 2002 4:22 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Finally Back on line - DREAMWATCHERS TALES III Somehow I don't think it would be termed that.. ;-) dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Matthew Stringer' To: ; Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 1:54 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Finally Back on line - DREAMWATCHERS TALES III > I didn't realise that we were short for the last one, makes more sense why > there were multiple tracks by the same artist. > > Put me down for a tune or two, still unsure why the one I sent last time > didn't appear though, must've been shite! > > Matt > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Yannick EDOM' > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 4:13 PM > Subject: [tadream] Finally Back on line - DREAMWATCHERS TALES III > > > > Hi everyone > > > > I'm finally back online after these past months of hard works to do. > > > > So i was very busy and couldn't see posts on the Mailing lis > > > > It appears you want a new volume of the Dreamwatchers' Tales project. > > > > So be it ! > > > > I hope this time to get enough tracks to fill two CDRs. > > > > For the DWT II i didn't got enough track that's why the Nightbirds one is > > longer than the 10 minutes maximum required. > > > > I had some contacts from various contributors who NEVER SENT ME THEIR > > PROMISED TRACK. > > > > So now Dreamwatchers' Tales III is open. > > > > You can contact me for details. > > > > The rule is simple. > > > > One (or more) track(s) is needed on CDR audio. > > > > Each track must be between 3 and 10 minutes long. > > > > The contributors can send me their track directly to my address (see > below) > > with the title and artists name(s). > > > > But if you see you can't create your track before october 30th 2002 , > please > > contact me too. > > > > The closing date is OCTOBER 30th 2002 > > > > > > > > Yannick Edom > > Mirage Créations > > Champlain B7 A 101 > > 47 Chemin de Pelleport > > 31500 TOULOUSE > > FRANCE > > > > e-mail : yannick.edom@s... > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: TheInfection Date: Thu May 23, 2002 7:13 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Livemiles part 1 - the source? I've heard that the material in Part 1 is pretty much non-Franke so to speak. Altough I admit that there are parts that sounds very much of the style of Chris. But I have no official info about this one. Regards, TheInfection --- John Vertical wrote: > Okay, this is a studio creation. But does anyone > know whether it was > composed before or after Chris Franke left? I mean, > the album was released > in 88 so that would imply non-Franke, but it doesn't > sound much like that. > Eg: index 3 is highly sequenced, pretty reminescent > of Underwater Sunlight - > this is indeed mentioned in the Dream Roots booklet > too. > So, was this a patchwork of previously unreleased > material, or composed > specially for the album? Are there any facts about > this? > > John Vertical > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Thu May 23, 2002 7:28 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Livemiles part 1 - the source? > I've heard that the material in Part 1 is pretty much > non-Franke so to speak. Altough I admit that there are > parts that sounds very much of the style of Chris. > But I have no official info about this one. This is an excerpt of what is written in the booklet of the 1996 Castle Communications release (ESM CD 368) 'It's a very controversial record - a lot of people have said it's not live. We did a rehearsal in the afternoon at Albuquerque during the sound check. Part of the album was recorded then and another part was recorded during the gig itself. We also used a bit of an encore and a little portion of the Albuquerque concert was performed later on in New York which we subsequently edited into the same performance' (Edgar Froese) regards Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34104 Re: Livemiles part 1 - the source? TheInfection Thu 5/23/2002 2 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Thu May 23, 2002 7:56 am Subject: RE: [tadream] RE: [TT1] my apologies - that was totally my fault. I don't remember exactly what I was thining but I think I wanted to se4nd the top part separately to the list. What I sent was supposed to be off-list. JOe From: jerome Date: Thu May 23, 2002 8:54 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Finally Back on line - DREAMWATCHERS TALES III hi, yannick... put ionic down for a track or two... =) jerome --- Yannick EDOM wrote: > Hi everyone > > I'm finally back online after these past months of hard works to do. > > So i was very busy and couldn't see posts on the Mailing lists. > > It appears you want a new volume of the Dreamwatchers' Tales project. > > So be it ! > > I hope this time to get enough tracks to fill two CDRs. > > For the DWT II i didn't got enough track that's why the Nightbirds one is > longer than the 10 minutes maximum required. > > I had some contacts from various contributors who NEVER SENT ME THEIR > PROMISED TRACK. > > So now Dreamwatchers' Tales III is open. > > You can contact me for details. > > The rule is simple. > > One (or more) track(s) is needed on CDR audio. > > Each track must be between 3 and 10 minutes long. > > The contributors can send me their track directly to my address (see below) > with the title and artists name(s). > > But if you see you can't create your track before october 30th 2002 , please > contact me too. > > The closing date is OCTOBER 30th 2002 > > > > Yannick Edom > Mirage Créations > Champlain B7 A 101 > 47 Chemin de Pelleport > 31500 TOULOUSE > FRANCE > > e-mail : yannick.edom@s... > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From: TheInfection Date: Thu May 23, 2002 11:19 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Livemiles part 1 - the source? --- Heiko Heerssen wrote: > This is an excerpt of what is written in the booklet > of the 1996 Castle > Communications release (ESM CD 368) Oh, yeah, then I do have some official statements about that! It has been a while since I read the booklet... Regards, TheInfection ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Thu May 23, 2002 11:57 am Subject: Soundscapes - Advance Ticket Information The Ministry of Inside Things will perform their special brand of spacemusic at the second installment of the Soundscapes Concert Series. The concert will take place at the City of Bethlehem's IceHouse on Sand Island, Saturday, June 22, at 8:00 pm. Doors open at 7:30 pm for a free dinner buffet provided by Chef Jeff. Those who attended Soundscapes #1 will recall a memorable evening of great music and food. Soundscapes #2 promises to be just as enjoyable, as well as being the only source of live spacemusic in the Lehigh Valley (southeastern Pennsylvania). Admission at the door will be $15. Full time Students with valid ID and members of WDIY and WMUH will receive a $5 discount. Advance tickets will be $10 (no discounts), and are available at these fine outlets: Compact Disc Center 1365 Easton Ave. near Linden and Elizabeth in Bethlehem, Pa 610-864-3070 Speedy's Record Shop 1001 Union Blvd east of Airport Rd. in Allentown, Pa 610-432-8386 The Ministry Of Inside Things, based in the Philadelphia area, consists of electric guitarist Art Cohen and synthesist Chuck van Zyl. Considered among the most innovative of electronic musicians in the U.S. today, the members of MoIT are influenced by the early music of Tangerine Dream, Klaus Schulze and Ash Ra Tempel. Their spacemusic has been described as linear because it leads the listener across many sonic terrains. Based on improvisation, The Ministry Of Inside Things creates electronic realizations that flow from theme to theme, often for two hours at a stretch. Through the use of textures and atmospheres as well as harmony, rhythm and melody, the group transports the audience on an internal sonic excursion. Chuck van Zyl has been recording electronic music and performing in public for over 15 years. Van Zyl originally worked under the name Xisle, but is best known for hosting one of the country's most successful radio shows of electronic music, STAR'S END, for over 20 years. Van Zyl has released two CDs of spacemusic on the Centaur label, Celestial Mechanics and The Relic. The Sound Museum with Peter Gulch and D. Andrew Rath was released on the Groove label in 2001. A collaborative effort with Peter Gulch, Regeneration Mode, was released on their own Synkronos label. Art Cohen has been pushing the limits of the electric guitar in the studio and in live performance for well over 15 years. He uses processing to enhance the space around his guitar and loops his live sound to create lush layers to create soundworlds of immense depth and beauty. The Ministry Of Inside Things has performed at Art & Technology, The Philadelphia Museum of Art, First Night Wilmington, the Wild Talents opening reception at the ICA, Gate To Moon Base Alpha, the Boyertown Planetarium, Gathering Concert Series, on the 01.28.01 broadcast of STAR'S END, and on the 07.12.01 broadcast of EMUSIC. Soundscapes #2 is coproduced by WDS Productions and Wooden Shoe Music. Bill billfox@f... SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://www.tadream.net/soundscapes Wooden Shoe Music: http://woodenshoemusic.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34126 Re: Soundscapes - Advance Ticket Information Bill Fox Fri 5/24/2002 2 KB From: fstephe@a... Date: Thu May 23, 2002 1:03 pm Subject: Finally a refund Hello Tadreamers... After all these months my wife and I finally got a refund from Ticketmaster for the TD show that was to be held in Buffalo back in October. She called them numerous times. I hate Ticketmaster. We actually told the one operator that if we did not have a refund in a week that we were going to sue for $1,000,000 for each ticket. Funny, all of a sudden we got our refund. And I wasn't joking...I was going to sue them for $2,000,000 and 10 tickets to EVERY show, game, event, etc., that they sell tickets for in the Buffalo, NY area. Did anybody else have this much trouble? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34107 Re: Finally a refund michaeljean@e... Thu 5/23/2002 3 KB 34109 Re: Finally a refund Administrator for kay-net.com Thu 5/23/2002 4 KB 34110 Re: Finally a refund michaeljean@e... Thu 5/23/2002 5 KB 34111 Re: Finally a refund Administrator for kay-net.com Thu 5/23/2002 6 KB 34112 Re: Finally a refund Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid Thu 5/23/2002 7 KB From: 'michaeljean@e...' Date: Thu May 23, 2002 4:04 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Finally a refund Actually I got mine automatically credited to my charge card within a few weeks...I didn;t even have to ask.... Original Message: ----------------- From: fstephe@a... Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 09:03:30 -0400 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] Finally a refund Hello Tadreamers... After all these months my wife and I finally got a refund from Ticketmaster for the TD show that was to be held in Buffalo back in October. She called them numerous times. I hate Ticketmaster. We actually told the one operator that if we did not have a refund in a week that we were going to sue for $1,000,000 for each ticket. Funny, all of a sudden we got our refund. And I wasn't joking...I was going to sue them for $2,000,000 and 10 tickets to EVERY show, game, event, etc., that they sell tickets for in the Buffalo, NY area. Did anybody else have this much trouble? ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From: Morgan Feldon Date: Thu May 23, 2002 4:18 pm Subject: Livemiles >This is an excerpt of what is written in the booklet of the 1996 Castle >Communications release (ESM CD 368) > >'It's a very controversial record - a lot of people have said it's not live. >We did a rehearsal in the afternoon at Albuquerque during the sound check. >Part of the album was recorded then and another part was recorded during the >gig itself. We also used a bit of an encore and a little portion of the >Albuquerque concert was performed later on in New York which we subsequently >edited into the same performance' (Edgar Froese) Which is all wonderful fiction. Not one second of the 'Albuquerque' part of Livemiles matches the concert. There is a very clear recording of the whole show available. If he wants to argue with the fantape, it's going to be a long night. :) June 28 New York, U.S.A. The Beacon Theatre Anyone have this recording care to comment on Edgar's claim? To my knowledge, the New York show was unremarkable in comparison to other 86 shows. -Morgan From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Thu May 23, 2002 5:22 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Finally a refund yes I am still trying to get my funds back from Venture TD show.. Perhaps I will have to do what you did? I just hate doing stuff like that over something like this. If I knew TD was getting a chunk of this, I don't think I feel the same way. This seems to be going to some blackhole in corp world pockets. I think they get plenty already from me. Dale Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 6:03 AM Subject: [tadream] Finally a refund > Hello Tadreamers... > > After all these months my wife and I finally got a refund from > Ticketmaster for the TD show that was to be held in Buffalo back in > October. She called them numerous times. I hate Ticketmaster. We > actually told the one operator that if we did not have a refund in a > week that we were going to sue for $1,000,000 for each ticket. Funny, > all of a sudden we got our refund. And I wasn't joking...I was going > to sue them for $2,000,000 and 10 tickets to EVERY show, game, event, > etc., that they sell tickets for in the Buffalo, NY area. > > Did anybody else have this much trouble? > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'michaeljean@e...' Date: Thu May 23, 2002 5:34 pm Subject: RE: Re: [tadream] Finally a refund I think the refund is automatic if you never took physical possession of the tickets (ie will call). If you have the actual tickets you need to follow Ticketmaster instructions about sending them to the regional service center for a refund. Original Message: ----------------- From: Administrator for kay-net.com admin@k... Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 10:22:08 -0700 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [tadream] Finally a refund yes I am still trying to get my funds back from Venture TD show.. Perhaps I will have to do what you did? I just hate doing stuff like that over something like this. If I knew TD was getting a chunk of this, I don't think I feel the same way. This seems to be going to some blackhole in corp world pockets. I think they get plenty already from me. Dale Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 6:03 AM Subject: [tadream] Finally a refund > Hello Tadreamers... > > After all these months my wife and I finally got a refund from > Ticketmaster for the TD show that was to be held in Buffalo back in > October. She called them numerous times. I hate Ticketmaster. We > actually told the one operator that if we did not have a refund in a > week that we were going to sue for $1,000,000 for each ticket. Funny, > all of a sudden we got our refund. And I wasn't joking...I was going > to sue them for $2,000,000 and 10 tickets to EVERY show, game, event, > etc., that they sell tickets for in the Buffalo, NY area. > > Did anybody else have this much trouble? > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Thu May 23, 2002 5:50 pm Subject: Re: Re: [tadream] Finally a refund never got them have been getting big run around Here are a few things I been told call here that person isn't here call back check your records we sent you a refund call back at ... we will look into it we never had TD here I forgot the rest of this... I guess if I am not told those things about 5 times, I tend to forget how they go... Really, it has become one of those things I go back and check on every few weeks or so. dale Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 10:34 AM Subject: RE: Re: [tadream] Finally a refund > I think the refund is automatic if you never took physical possession of the tickets (ie will call). If you have the actual tickets you need to follow Ticketmaster instructions about sending them to the regional service center for a refund. > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: Administrator for kay-net.com admin@k... > Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 10:22:08 -0700 > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] Finally a refund > > > yes > I am still trying to get my funds back from Venture TD show.. > Perhaps I will have to do what you did? > I just hate doing stuff like that over something like this. > If I knew TD was getting a chunk of this, I don't think I feel the same way. > This seems to be going to some blackhole in corp world pockets. I think they > get plenty already from me. > > Dale > Administrator for Kay-Net.com > admin@k... > 661-723-0266 > Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 6:03 AM > Subject: [tadream] Finally a refund > > > > Hello Tadreamers... > > > > After all these months my wife and I finally got a refund from > > Ticketmaster for the TD show that was to be held in Buffalo back in > > October. She called them numerous times. I hate Ticketmaster. We > > actually told the one operator that if we did not have a refund in a > > week that we were going to sue for $1,000,000 for each ticket. Funny, > > all of a sudden we got our refund. And I wasn't joking...I was going > > to sue them for $2,000,000 and 10 tickets to EVERY show, game, event, > > etc., that they sell tickets for in the Buffalo, NY area. > > > > Did anybody else have this much trouble? > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid Date: Thu May 23, 2002 6:13 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Finally a refund As a former TM employee...I know exactly what there refund policy is.... all sales ARE final...no refunds, exchanges, or cancellations UNLESS the event is cancelled....they never should have given you a hard time about it...i used to have the corp tele # in LA....if i still had it, i'd be more than happy to give it to you, so you can file a complaint. 'Administrator for kay-net.com' wrote: > never got them > have been getting big run around > Here are a few things I been told > > call here > that person isn't here > call back > check your records > we sent you a refund > call back at ... > we will look into it > we never had TD here > > I forgot the rest of this... I guess if I am not told those things about 5 > times, I tend to forget how they go... > Really, it has become one of those things I go back and check on every few > weeks or so. > > dale > > Administrator for Kay-Net.com > admin@k... > 661-723-0266 > Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 10:34 AM > Subject: RE: Re: [tadream] Finally a refund > > > I think the refund is automatic if you never took physical possession of > the tickets (ie will call). If you have the actual tickets you need to > follow Ticketmaster instructions about sending them to the regional service > center for a refund. > > > > Original Message: > > ----------------- > > From: Administrator for kay-net.com admin@k... > > Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 10:22:08 -0700 > > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [tadream] Finally a refund > > > > > > yes > > I am still trying to get my funds back from Venture TD show.. > > Perhaps I will have to do what you did? > > I just hate doing stuff like that over something like this. > > If I knew TD was getting a chunk of this, I don't think I feel the same > way. > > This seems to be going to some blackhole in corp world pockets. I think > they > > get plenty already from me. > > > > Dale > > Administrator for Kay-Net.com > > admin@k... > > 661-723-0266 > > Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 6:03 AM > > Subject: [tadream] Finally a refund > > > > > > > Hello Tadreamers... > > > > > > After all these months my wife and I finally got a refund from > > > Ticketmaster for the TD show that was to be held in Buffalo back in > > > October. She called them numerous times. I hate Ticketmaster. We > > > actually told the one operator that if we did not have a refund in a > > > week that we were going to sue for $1,000,000 for each ticket. Funny, > > > all of a sudden we got our refund. And I wasn't joking...I was going > > > to sue them for $2,000,000 and 10 tickets to EVERY show, game, event, > > > etc., that they sell tickets for in the Buffalo, NY area. > > > > > > Did anybody else have this much trouble? > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > > http://mail2web.com/ . > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'convention24' Date: Thu May 23, 2002 7:37 pm Subject: (Off Topic) The phenomenal THEIF. I have a flavour for all the magical releases that the GREATEST Tangerine Dream have released,but the one soundtrack that lifts me amongst the stars will always be the Mercurial THEIF,i am yet again listening to the brilliance now,surely this must be one of their very best?Im just off to KISS Edgars towel?Tangerine Dream- Undoubtedly,the WORLDS number 1. Best regards CJ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34117 Re: (Off Topic) The phenomenal THEIF. Dan Downey Fri 5/24/2002 3 KB From: 'E Neal Frost' Date: Thu May 23, 2002 9:40 pm Subject: Off Topic Sorry for this all, Frank Arellano, please contact me off list again. My posts to you keep getting bounced saying something about the return e-mail address is not valid, meaning mine. And it is correct. Anyone have any ideas? Neal From: 'tei waz' Date: Thu May 23, 2002 11:32 pm Subject: re finally a refund I had no trouble with ticketmaster (TM) at all--every ticket for the TD US (2001/2002) tours I rcvd in the mail (SFbay area/ventura) I was refunded and still have the tickets. TM even went so far in 2001 to call me to tell me the ventura concert had been postponed and they called to tell me that the makeup ventura date in 2002 had been cancelled. I could be wrong--the venue may have called me--but not too likely since it was TM who has/had my phone number. Additionally, from ticketmaster I have rcvd a free seat upgrade when I've had willcall, e.g. last row of the lower section of shoreline amphitheatre to second row orchestra pit. They did that for me at the GoGos reunion/B52s/Psychedelic Furs show a couple of years back--actually it looks like it was from the B52s themselves. they seated me right next to some folks taht won a high bid auction from VH1--and no, I didn't ask how much they paid :) When my tickets have been lost in the mail, TM also been quite helpful. They issue you a lost seat pass rather than reissuing your ticket which makes sense. If, in the case of a reserved seating event, someone shows up with the ticket--the person with the lost ticket pass gets the seat--I have no idea what happens to the person with the tickets 'cause as far as I can tell the tickets were truly lost in the mail. So while their fees seem high, they have given me service when I've needed it and even when I've not (see upgrade). Wish I could say the same about Tickets.com--bassticket--in the old days). --T _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34116 Re: re finally a refund Administrator for kay-net.com Fri 5/24/2002 4 KB From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Fri May 24, 2002 12:33 am Subject: Re: [tadream] re finally a refund Going back on my notes I have, it isn't TM that is the problem. It is the Theater. That is who I gave credit card info to. They are the ones that must refund. Not TM. Dale Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'tei waz' To: Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 4:32 PM Subject: [tadream] re finally a refund > I had no trouble with ticketmaster (TM) at all--every ticket for the TD US > (2001/2002) tours I rcvd in the mail (SFbay area/ventura) I was refunded and > still have the tickets. TM even went so far in 2001 to call me to tell me > the ventura concert had been postponed and they called to tell me that the > makeup ventura date in 2002 had been cancelled. I could be wrong--the venue > may have called me--but not too likely since it was TM who has/had my phone > number. > > Additionally, from ticketmaster I have rcvd a free seat upgrade when I've > had willcall, e.g. last row of the lower section of shoreline amphitheatre > to second row orchestra pit. They did that for me at the GoGos > reunion/B52s/Psychedelic Furs show a couple of years back--actually it looks > like it was from the B52s themselves. they seated me right next to some > folks taht won a high bid auction from VH1--and no, I didn't ask how much > they paid :) > > When my tickets have been lost in the mail, TM also been quite helpful. > They issue you a lost seat pass rather than reissuing your ticket which > makes sense. If, in the case of a reserved seating event, someone shows up > with the ticket--the person with the lost ticket pass gets the seat--I have > no idea what happens to the person with the tickets 'cause as far as I can > tell the tickets were truly lost in the mail. > > So while their fees seem high, they have given me service when I've needed > it and even when I've not (see upgrade). > > Wish I could say the same about Tickets.com--bassticket--in the old days). > > --T > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Dan Downey Date: Fri May 24, 2002 1:47 am Subject: Re: [tadream] (Off Topic) The phenomenal THEIF. The Thief is also one of my favorite CDs by TD. I finally picked up the SBM version of it and it's odd to compare against my original release. Certainly it's a lot brighter and everything has more definition but it's almost like a different recording to me. There are times when, on the SBM, I seem to hear guitar flubs due to the clarity. The info on the SBM CD is also odd. The booklet credits the composers as Franke, Frose (their spelling), & Schmoelling (as does the original CD) but on the back cover it credits Franke, Froese, & Baumann. I'm assuming that Baumann is incorrect. I've also seen this listed all over the place as 'Live' which it doesn't seem to be. I was originally going to pass my older copy on to a friend but I find the two to be different enought sounding that I'm going ot keep them both. I've heard the first one so many times it is ingrained in my head while the SBM is mentally another recording, I can almost pretend it is live. DanD --- convention24 wrote: > I have a flavour for all the magical releases that > the GREATEST > Tangerine Dream have released,but the one soundtrack > that lifts me > amongst the stars will always be the Mercurial > THEIF,i am yet again > listening to the brilliance now,surely this must be > one of their very > best?Im just off to KISS Edgars towel?Tangerine > Dream- > Undoubtedly,the WORLDS number 1. > Best regards CJ > > ===== DanD - aka DJAmbient www.dtbits.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From: Morgan Feldon Date: Fri May 24, 2002 3:15 am Subject: Thief live? >Dan Downey said: >The info on the SBM CD is also odd. The booklet >credits the composers as Franke, Frose (their >spelling), & Schmoelling (as does the original CD) but >on the back cover it credits Franke, Froese, & >Baumann. I'm assuming that Baumann is incorrect. > >I've also seen this listed all over the place as >'Live' which it doesn't seem to be. I was originally >going to pass my older copy on to a friend but I find >the two to be different enought sounding that I'm >going ot keep them both. I've heard the first one so >many times it is ingrained in my head while the SBM is >mentally another recording, I can almost pretend it is >live. The SBM CD was done by Virgin. They didn't pay any attention it seems. Thief is definitely a Froese, Franke, Schmoelling album/soundtrack that was not performed live. Although you'd be prudent to get ahold of a 1981 concert recording or two if you'd like to hear some expanded versions of the Thief and Firestarter themes. The SBM makes a big difference in the sound quality more from the fact that they went back to the master tape than the Super Bit-Mapping process. -Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34119 Re: Thief live? John Vertical Fri 5/24/2002 3 KB 34120 Re: Thief live? TheInfection Fri 5/24/2002 3 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Fri May 24, 2002 7:27 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Thief live? > >The info on the SBM CD is also odd. The booklet > >credits the composers as Franke, Frose (their > >spelling), & Schmoelling (as does the original CD) but > >on the back cover it credits Franke, Froese, & > >Baumann. I'm assuming that Baumann is incorrect. > > > >I've also seen this listed all over the place as > >'Live' which it doesn't seem to be. I was originally > >going to pass my older copy on to a friend but I find > >the two to be different enought sounding that I'm > >going ot keep them both. I've heard the first one so > >many times it is ingrained in my head while the SBM is > >mentally another recording, I can almost pretend it is > >live. > >The SBM CD was done by Virgin. They didn't pay any attention it seems. > >Thief is definitely a Froese, Franke, Schmoelling album/soundtrack that was >not performed live. It really is amazing how enthusiastically they were able to not pay any attention. It's not just Thief; back covers of Tangram and Exit also list Baumann. Further, Exit is also labeled 'live'. This is just too persistant in order to be just typos.. apparently there're some major misunderstandings. And what's the logic about the album numbers? Encore is #1, numbers 2-4 go for WE, Logos and Hb; then they restart from Phaedra and fill in all the gaps, Exit being the last one(14)? I bet that when(if?) they re-release Edgar's solo albums, they will be credited for Jerome... ;) John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34120 Re: Thief live? TheInfection Fri 5/24/2002 3 KB From: TheInfection Date: Fri May 24, 2002 7:42 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Thief live? --- John Vertical wrote: > It really is amazing how enthusiastically they were > able to not pay any > attention. It's not just Thief; back covers of > Tangram and Exit also list > Baumann. Further, Exit is also labeled 'live'. This > is just too persistant > in order to be just typos.. apparently there're some > major > misunderstandings. Virgin is a company that wants to make easy money and fast - they don't care about anything else. The situation with Mike Oldfield showed this. They wanted him to make Tubular Bells 2 and in the 80's they wanted him to make more pop songs like Moonlight Shadow. Eventually he made TB2, but after he had fleed the company. > And what's the logic about the album numbers? Encore > is #1, numbers 2-4 go > for WE, Logos and Hb; then they restart from Phaedra > and fill in all the > gaps, Exit being the last one(14)? I think that the numbers indicate the order they were re-released. Encore was released first and so on... > I bet that when(if?) they re-release Edgar's solo > albums, they will be > credited for Jerome... ;) Don't even think about that! Regards, TheInfection ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From: Thenite0wl@a... Date: Fri May 24, 2002 1:02 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] re-re- Dwt-1,2 and 3..!! hI, all Some time back now,I 'registered' my interest as a leaf for 1+2 , and indeed I would like to be also down for 3, please- although this lonely leaf seems unable to be able to connect with a branch... can anyone please help..? Trading for blank cd's in return isnt a problem... Hoping... Regards Paul From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Fri May 24, 2002 3:07 pm Subject: EMUSIC Playlist $270 [ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #270 May 23, 2002. RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Steve Roach and vidnaObmana, who will be making rare concert appearances together at Projektfest and the Gathering this coming Memorial Day weekend. The Featured CD at midnight was 'Live Archive' on the Groove label. The vinyl show starter was from the LP 'Deluxe' by Harmonia on the Brain label. I played the music of The Ministry of Inside Things who will be performing at the next event in the Soundscapes Concert Series on June 22. Details can be seen on the Events page. Steve Roach and vidnaObmana http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2002/focus02.html#may The Ministry of Inside Things http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic/events.html PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Harmonia Notre Dame Deluxe (Brain) John Rose O.B.E. Cosmogenesis (Space for Music) Darshan Ambient Worm Asleep Darshan Ambient (none) Klangwelt Metallino Weltweit (Spheric Music) Terra Ambient The Breathing Earth The Darker Space (none) Ministry of Inside While the Rest of the Live at the ICA (Synkronos) Things World Sleeps Chris Short and Quest for Paradise The Yellow House (In the Vir Unis Bubble Music) Tom Heasley Prelude * On the Sensastions of Tone (Innova) Roach & Obmana Verucchio Invocation Live Archive (Groove) 12:00 am Roach & Obmana Common Ground Live Archive (Groove) Roach & Obmana Two Reptiles Live Archive (Groove) Roach & Obmana Dreampipe Dialogue Live Archive (Groove) Roach & Obmana Soundworld Collage Live Archive (Groove) Roach & Obmana Ascension Live Archive (Groove) Roach & Obmana Tribal Perspective Live Archive (Groove) Roach & Obmana Divine Innermission Live Archive (Groove) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Steve Roach and vidnaObmana. The Featured CD at Midnight will be 'Circles and Artifacts' on the Contemporary Harmonic label. The vinyl show starter will be from the LP 'Planeten Sit-In' by the Cosmic Jokers on the Ohr label. Bill billfox@f... http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://www.tadream.net/soundscapes From: tweibrecht@j... Date: Fri May 24, 2002 5:03 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1355 > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 09:03:30 -0400 > From: fstephe@a... > Subject: Finally a refund > > Hello Tadreamers... > > After all these months my wife and I finally got a refund from > Ticketmaster for the TD show that was to be held in Buffalo back in > October. She called them numerous times. I hate Ticketmaster. We > actually told the one operator that if we did not have a refund in a > > week that we were going to sue for $1,000,000 for each ticket. > Funny, > all of a sudden we got our refund. And I wasn't joking...I was > going > to sue them for $2,000,000 and 10 tickets to EVERY show, game, > event, > etc., that they sell tickets for in the Buffalo, NY area. > > Did anybody else have this much trouble? > Sue them on what grounds? Conversion? Breach of contract? Intentional infliction of emotional distress? Always use a credit card and never pay the charge until you have tix in hand. tom w np: dj spooky - modern mantra ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34124 Re: Digest Number 1355 tweibrecht@j... Fri 5/24/2002 2 KB From: tweibrecht@j... Date: Fri May 24, 2002 5:09 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1355 > June 28 New York, U.S.A. The Beacon Theatre > Anyone have this recording care to comment on Edgar's claim? > > To my knowledge, the New York show was unremarkable in comparison to > other > 86 shows. > > -Morgan > One of the top ten shows i saw in my life...Unfortunately, the recording suffers from a chemical imbalance. tom w ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From: Morgan Feldon Date: Fri May 24, 2002 5:38 pm Subject: 1986 New York I did not use the right word when I described the New York 1986 show. I meant that I have not heard anything to indicate that the music differed there or that they played anything that would end up on Livemiles. Of course, it could have been a fabulous show with nice improvisations. -Morgan From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Fri May 24, 2002 8:18 pm Subject: Re: Soundscapes - Advance Ticket Information A typo creeped into a phone number: ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Bill Fox' > Advance tickets will be $10 (no > discounts), and are available at these fine outlets: > > Compact Disc Center > 1365 Easton Ave. > near Linden and Elizabeth in Bethlehem, Pa 610-868-3070 is their correct number. Sorry for the hassle. Bill billfox@f... SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://www.tadream.net/soundscapes Wooden Shoe Music: http://woodenshoemusic.com From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Fri May 24, 2002 8:27 pm Subject: Re: Soundscapes #2 - Advance Ticket Information A typo creeped into a phone number: ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Bill Fox' > Advance tickets will be $10 (no > discounts), and are available at these fine outlets: > Compact Disc Center 610-868-3070 is their correct number. Sorry for the hassle. Bill billfox@f... SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://www.tadream.net/soundscapes Wooden Shoe Music: http://woodenshoemusic.com From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Sat May 25, 2002 3:55 pm Subject: Fw: Steve Roach + Vidna Obmana at the Gathering 26 May 2002 I hope you don't mind the cross post, but this is an important event that I think many of you will be interested in. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: 'c_vanzyl' To: Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 8:00 PM Subject: [SPACEMUSIC] Steve Roach + Vidna Obmana at the Gathering 26 May 2002 > Steve Roach & Vidna Obmana are scheduled to perform together live at > the Gathering in Philadelphia on Sunday 26 May 2002 with shows at > 7:30pm & 9:30pm in the church sanctuary of St. Mary's Hamilton > Village, 3916 Locust Walk on the Penn campus in University City. > These performances are presented in association with ProjektFest, the > Projekt label 3-Day Memorial Day WeekEnd festival. > > The Gathering's ticket allotment at TicketWeb has sold out, but we > expect that there will still be tickets at the door. Those who > purchased the 3-day ProjektFest package have first priority for > admission; if there is room, walk-ups will be admitted. If (by some > chance) the 7:30pm concert is full, there is also a 9:30pm show. > > In either case it is important to arrive early as admission and > seating will be on a first-come first-served basis; once the concert > begun, seating will be at the discretion of the house manager. > > For details, pleaae access the website at: > http://www.thegatherings.org > > Thanks for your attention! See you at the Gathering this weekend! > > -chuckv From: 'Daniel Hobrecht' Date: Sat May 25, 2002 11:38 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Digest Number 1354 Greetings, To everyone who loves the sound of LPs, this is a wonderful source; they have several TD discs in stock. I have purchased several items form them and the service and quality if first-rate. Regards, DPH PS. This E-store was the feature of a recent WSJ article that thought highly of the selection and service also. Toll Free: 1-877-774-6577 Tel: 1-916-990-9321 Fax: 1-916-990-9339 or Email Us you can order from our online database and shopping cart to order by Email please DO NOT reply to this Email address send Email orders to orders@a... Hello Daniel and welcome to our June 2002 flyer, This month's used LP list is highlighted by a small, but superb Mobile Fidelity collection that we recently purchased from a fastidious local audiophile - There are still more records from the recent classical collection we purchased along with an excellent selection of UK import LPs and our usual great selection of jazz. We also located a small cash of sealed DCC LPs that are also included on this list. Listed below are the new releases, which you will also find uploaded to the web site for ease of ordering via our shopping basket. The easiest and fastest way to order is directly on-line. If it shows on the site, there is a 99.9% chance it's in stock. 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Yvonne Lefebure was born in 1899 and by 4 years of age was entranced by the piano. While still a student she met Ravel and played for him. Upon listening to her he stated 'I trust the tradition to you.' $40 YVONNE LEFEBURE: BEETHOVEN-SONATA NO.1 / EIGHT BAGATELLES / SONATA NO. 32 (MONO). 'She is born for Beethoven,' said Gabriel Faure. $40 SPEAKERS CORNER 180GM HQ GEN KRUPA / LIONEL HAMPTON / TEDDY WILSON: THE BENNY GOODMAN MOVIE (CLEF MONO) $30 you can order from our online database and shopping cart to order by Email please DO NOT reply to this Email address send Email orders to orders@a... From: 'vic rek' Date: Sun May 26, 2002 2:07 am Subject: Different Legend DVDs What is the summary on the different Legend DVD releases? The Ultimate Edition has: - Director's Cut w/Goldsmith soundtrack - Theatrical Release w/Tangerine Dream soundtrack BTW, I think the packaging is very poor. I also have the French Legend on DVD, but I assume it is: - Theatrical Release w/Goldsmith soundtrack ?? Can someone please verify since I cannot play PAL region 2?? If this would be true, then that means there are 3 different Legend versions on DVD? Any other Legend DVD out there? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34133 Re: Different Legend DVDs Szatmari Pal Sun 5/26/2002 4 KB 34139 Re: Different Legend DVDs vic rek Mon 5/27/2002 4 KB From: 'rbicon' Date: Sun May 26, 2002 12:24 pm Subject: Klaus Schulze concert listing Hi,everybody. I hope all of you is doing great. I'm searching for info about a possible concert date listings of Klaus Schulze. I have a bootleg, date August 21,1999. I don't know the venue, and if it's possible that K.S. played a concert on that date.In fact, i can't find any info on the web. There are a lot of TD bootlegs listings on the web. Bootlegs listings and dates of concert, even if there are no boots. So is there something like this does exist for K.S.? Sorry for my bad english... If anyone could help, i'll appreciate a lot. Thanks Sylvain from Québec http://pages.infinit.net/musicfan np/Nemesis-Sky Archeology (wich is very good) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34132 Re: Klaus Schulze concert listing Robert Grabowsky Sun 5/26/2002 3 KB From: Robert Grabowsky Date: Sun May 26, 2002 1:51 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus Schulze concert listing Sylvain, I found this on the Klaus Schulze homepage. It should answer your question. >Klaus Schulze concert in August >Klaus will give another solo concert on August 21st. Location: Open Air in Cologne ('Kickzone Festival' at Müngersdorfer Schwimmstadion). Klaus will play just 60 minutes. >A notice for the more 'classic KS' oriented fans: Forty other acts are signed for the festival, mostly DJs who perform their techno music on four stages. Please expect no 'kraut' but today's modern music. Klaus' performance is scheduled to start at 23:30 h. You can find more information (in German) at http://www.livemusichall.de > THE HIGHLANDER At 12:24 PM 5/26/02 -0000, you wrote: >Hi,everybody. I hope all of you is doing great. >I'm searching for info about a possible concert date listings of >Klaus Schulze. >I have a bootleg, date August 21,1999. >I don't know the venue, and if it's possible that K.S. played a >concert on that date.In fact, i can't find any info on the web. >There are a lot of TD bootlegs listings on the web. Bootlegs listings >and dates of concert, even if there are no boots. So is there >something like this does exist for K.S.? >Sorry for my bad english... >If anyone could help, i'll appreciate a lot. >Thanks >Sylvain from Québec From: Szatmari Pal Date: Sun May 26, 2002 4:15 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Different Legend DVDs Hello Vic, The European version of LEGEND was released in February this year. It must be pretty much the same as the French release. Legend R2 indeed has the longer European cut of the theatrical release w/Goldsmith. This cut is considered to be more artsy than the US theatrical release but not AS extended as the Director's cut (but very similar). Legend R2 also has a US (!!!) theatrical trailer as a bonus. The picture and sound quality is not as clear as on the Ultimate Ed. Because of all these, I'm getting the Ultimate Edition instead of the European edition (and besides, I have seen the European cut on TV 3 times - and never seen the version w/TD.) Pal. p.s. There is Legend R4, which is pretty similar to the 'Ultimate' package. Anyway, you are right in saying there are 3 different cuts of Legend on DVD Sunday, May 26, 2002, 4:07:20 AM, you wrote: vr> What is the summary on the different Legend DVD releases? vr> The Ultimate Edition has: vr> - Director's Cut w/Goldsmith soundtrack vr> - Theatrical Release w/Tangerine Dream soundtrack vr> BTW, I think the packaging is very poor. vr> I also have the French Legend on DVD, but I assume it is: vr> - Theatrical Release w/Goldsmith soundtrack vr> ?? Can someone please verify since I cannot play PAL region 2?? vr> If this would be true, then that means there are 3 different Legend versions vr> on DVD? vr> Any other Legend DVD out there? vr> ----------------------------------------------------_- vr> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com vr> ----------------------------------------------------_- vr> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at vr> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ vr> Tangerine Tree info at vr> http://www.tadream.net/tree vr> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Best regards, Szatmari mailto:koronzon@m... From: 'mudspanker' Date: Thu May 9, 2002 3:54 pm Subject: Re: PETITION PEEL for 34 years Poland was my first purchase after listening to excerpts from Barbakane played by Tommy Vance on the Friday Rock show, BBC Radio One. Did TD record any sessions for John Peel? If so, shouldn't we petition the BBC for a Peel Sessions release such as those for the Orb and Cocteau Twins etc.? From: inthelightning@a... Date: Mon May 13, 2002 10:16 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Ambient Monkeys In a message dated 5/13/2002 4:35:11 AM Central Daylight Time, GKNARFAPPAZ@a... writes: > It was used on the whole of that tour. I saw them in Manchester and bought > the C.D in the interval before Tangerine Dream came on. > I love it to chill out to but I know there are many that can't stand it. > Derek > *I've grown to like it but to be honest think the 'ambiences' would have been better if they were mixed a little lower. Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'yanx_88' Date: Thu May 16, 2002 8:04 pm Subject: Re: m. Shamballa is a type of energy healing of a seemingly higher vibration than Usui Reiki, in which Chi is channeled into someone or something living to help them balance and heal. http://www.metagifted.org/topics/meta/shamballa/ Yanick --- In tadream@y..., Synthhtnys@a... wrote: > In a message dated 5/16/2002 3:00:34 AM Central Daylight Time, > heiko@o... writes: > > > > this message 'dedicated to M.' I found on the last Cd Releases on TDI. > > > > But I dont know what he mean with 'Allabmahs'. > > > > Regards > > heiko > > > > No one noticed it's Shamballa spelled backwards? > Poly > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'spooko12000' Date: Fri May 24, 2002 9:54 am Subject: Help!! Hi folks. New member here and I'm really hoping that someone out there can help me with this. I'm desperately trying to find Tangerine Dream's score for the film LEGEND. I've got the official release and 2 versions of the bootleg/promo but none of them contain the fabulous music featured at the film's end where the battle with Darkness takes place. there are other missing cues as well but if i could even get this bit ,that'd be something. Can anyone help me with this? As it seems unusual that no version contains the final section's music ,I wondered if maybe it was an existing TD piece that was used in at the last minute. Perhaps fans that are more familiar with TDs music than myself can tell me? I can't believe the full score isn't out there somewhere. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Cheers Martin From: 'yanx_88' Date: Mon May 13, 2002 4:06 pm Subject: Image added in Files section I upload a jpg image ticket from the 1992 Rockoon Tour in Quebec city in Files section (tdQc92.jpg). Great show! Sorry for my bad english... From: 'vic rek' Date: Mon May 27, 2002 2:27 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Different Legend DVDs Hi Pal! Thanks for the information. Maybe you should send this information to the list also? Vic ----- Original Message ----- From: Szatmari Pal To: vic rek Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2002 12:15 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Different Legend DVDs > Hello Vic, > > The European version of LEGEND was released in February this year. It > must be pretty much the same as the French release. > > Legend R2 indeed has the longer European cut of the theatrical release > w/Goldsmith. This cut is considered to be more artsy than the US > theatrical release but not AS extended as the Director's cut (but very > similar). Legend R2 also has a US (!!!) theatrical trailer as a bonus. > The picture and sound quality is not as clear as on the Ultimate Ed. > > Because of all these, I'm getting the Ultimate Edition instead of the > European edition (and besides, I have seen the European cut on TV 3 > times - and never seen the version w/TD.) > > Pal. > > p.s. There is Legend R4, which is pretty similar to the 'Ultimate' > package. Anyway, you are right in saying there are 3 different cuts of > Legend on DVD > > > Sunday, May 26, 2002, 4:07:20 AM, you wrote: > > vr> What is the summary on the different Legend DVD releases? > > vr> The Ultimate Edition has: > vr> - Director's Cut w/Goldsmith soundtrack > vr> - Theatrical Release w/Tangerine Dream soundtrack > vr> BTW, I think the packaging is very poor. > > vr> I also have the French Legend on DVD, but I assume it is: > vr> - Theatrical Release w/Goldsmith soundtrack > vr> ?? Can someone please verify since I cannot play PAL region 2?? > > vr> If this would be true, then that means there are 3 different Legend versions > vr> on DVD? > vr> Any other Legend DVD out there? > > > > vr> ----------------------------------------------------_- > vr> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > vr> ----------------------------------------------------_- > vr> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > vr> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > vr> Tangerine Tree info at > vr> http://www.tadream.net/tree > > vr> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > -- > Best regards, > Szatmari mailto:koronzon@m... > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Mon May 27, 2002 11:18 am Subject: Three Phase Video Hello all, a friend of mine is clearing out his collection and has found a spare copy of the Three Phase video. If anyone would be interested, please contact me off-list, and I'll put you in touch with him. Dennis From: 'michaeljean@e...' Date: Mon May 27, 2002 1:00 pm Subject: Boston We are visiting Boston for the weekend, and my wife wants to make a quick visit to Cape Cod today...Any list members on the Cape who could show us around? MJ -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Mon May 27, 2002 2:56 pm Subject: Klaus in the USA Hi all, I'll be in the Phoenix,AZ area (Gilbert) June 7 - 13. Anybody out there fancy to meet up for a chat ? cheers, klaus -- Klaus.Beschorner........................work....+49-7033-45683 Drosselweg.6............................fax.....+49-7033-45631 D-71120.Grafenau........................Mobile.+49-174 3157754 Germany.................................home....+49-7033-45142 ............................................http://www.caby.de From: ampmusic Date: Mon May 27, 2002 7:08 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1358 > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 15:54:20 -0000 > From: 'mudspanker' > Subject: Re: PETITION PEEL for 34 years > > Poland was my first purchase after listening to excerpts from > Barbakane played by Tommy Vance on the Friday Rock show, BBC Radio > One. > > Did TD record any sessions for John Peel? If so, shouldn't we > petition the BBC for a Peel Sessions release such as those for the > Orb and Cocteau Twins etc.? Yes, there was a John Peel session by Tangerine Dream. Peel also played tracks from Atem, other early albums, and probably the now fairly well-known Chichester festival pieces - Overture, Zeus and Baroque. But when a kind person recently sent me the remaining session recording (from 1974 I think), which I was incredibly pleased to have since it was the first time I ever heard the band, it became obvious why no-one ever talks about this piece. It's really out of tune :-)))) From: Morgan Feldon Date: Mon May 27, 2002 8:00 pm Subject: Peel Session >Yes, there was a John Peel session by Tangerine Dream. Peel also played tracks >from Atem, other early albums, and probably the now fairly well-known >Chichester festival pieces - Overture, Zeus and Baroque. > >But when a kind person recently sent me the remaining session recording (from >1974 I think), which I was incredibly pleased to have since it was the first >time I ever heard the band, it became obvious why no-one ever talks about this >piece. > >It's really out of tune :-)))) > >-ampmusic So how many hundred e-mails have you gotten so far asking for the date/venue of this rare 1974 piece? No doubt these replays of Overture, Zeus, and Baroque are the source of the pristine recordings floating around. :) -Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34146 Re: Peel Session Wade Gordon Tue 5/28/2002 3 KB 34175 Gola (Zlatko Perica's band) C. Chambers Thu 5/30/2002 2 KB 36548 Re: Gola (Zlatko Perica's band) fairway_ch fairway_ch Tue 10/8/2002 3 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Tue May 28, 2002 6:03 pm Subject: test, sorry!! From: Wade Gordon Date: Tue May 28, 2002 2:19 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Peel Session Morgan, Is this the Phaedra show? This is the show that everyone wants. Wade --- Morgan Feldon wrote: > > >Yes, there was a John Peel session by Tangerine > Dream. Peel also played tracks > >from Atem, other early albums, and probably the now > fairly well-known > >Chichester festival pieces - Overture, Zeus and > Baroque. > > > >But when a kind person recently sent me the > remaining session recording (from > >1974 I think), which I was incredibly pleased to > have since it was the first > >time I ever heard the band, it became obvious why > no-one ever talks about this > >piece. > > > >It's really out of tune :-)))) > > > >-ampmusic > > So how many hundred e-mails have you gotten so far > asking for the > date/venue of this rare 1974 piece? > > No doubt these replays of Overture, Zeus, and > Baroque are the source of the > pristine recordings floating around. :) > > -Morgan > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34175 Gola (Zlatko Perica's band) C. Chambers Thu 5/30/2002 2 KB 36548 Re: Gola (Zlatko Perica's band) fairway_ch fairway_ch Tue 10/8/2002 3 KB From: Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid Date: Tue May 28, 2002 7:18 pm Subject: DWT 2 trak list Anyone happen to have the DWT 2 trak list handy, so I can get it printed out? Many thanx. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34178 Re: DWT 2 trak list Yannick EDOM Thu 5/30/2002 2 KB From: Deb H-J Date: Tue May 28, 2002 7:27 pm Subject: Question About Downloading Dreamwatcher Cover Art Joe, Tom, et. al.: Sorry to have to send this through the list, but I'm not sure who the best person is to query on this. I have been trying to print the coverart for my copy of the two Dreamwatcher Tales volumes, but despite all my efforts, my two label printing software packages (Adaptec and Mediaface II) will not take .gif files. Any suggestions for how to get around this? The solution is probably pretty obvious, but I'm frustrated. Thanks in advance for your help, and feel free to contact me off the list... Deb H-J dhj4@y... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34149 AW: [tadream] Question About Downloading Dreamwat Herbert Tue 5/28/2002 3 KB From: 'Herbert' Date: Tue May 28, 2002 8:28 pm Subject: AW: [tadream] Question About Downloading Dreamwatcher Cover Art Hi, no chance (or tool available) to convert the gif to jpeg or whatever your program accepts? Send the files over to me (off list). I'll try to convert them to whatever format you perfer (hope i can :)) ) Herbert > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > Von: Deb H-J [mailto:dhj4@y...] > Gesendet: Dienstag, 28. Mai 2002 21:27 > An: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Betreff: [tadream] Question About Downloading Dreamwatcher Cover Art > > > Joe, Tom, et. al.: > > Sorry to have to send this through the list, but I'm > not sure who the best person is to query on this. > > I have been trying to print the coverart for my copy > of the two Dreamwatcher Tales volumes, but despite all > my efforts, my two label printing software packages > (Adaptec and Mediaface II) will not take .gif files. > > Any suggestions for how to get around this? The > solution is probably pretty obvious, but I'm > frustrated. > > Thanks in advance for your help, and feel free to > contact me off the list... > > Deb H-J > dhj4@y... > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Tue May 28, 2002 8:31 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Question About Downloading Dreamwatcher Cover Art From: 'Deb H-J' > Any suggestions for how to get around this? The > solution is probably pretty obvious, but I'm > frustrated. > > Thanks in advance for your help, and feel free to > contact me off the list... Open Internet Explorer. For each .GIF file you want to convert, drag and drop the file into the Internet Explorer window so it displays in the browser. Right click on the image in IE, and select Save Picture As. In the Save Picture dialog box, click the drop down box marked Save As Type. You should be able to change the file type from GIF to Windows Bitmap (BMP). Then choose a place on your hard drive and save the file. You should be able to load the BMP file into Mediaface or any graphics package. Maff _______________________________________________ www.tachyon-tv.co.uk www.maff.da.ru www.mst3uk.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34168 Question About Downloading Dreamwatcher Cover Art Deb H-J Wed 5/29/2002 2 KB 34177 Re: Question About Downloading Dreamwatcher Cover Yannick EDOM Thu 5/30/2002 3 KB From: Liondream@a... Date: Tue May 28, 2002 8:42 pm Subject: Pretty much OT: Analog Sequencers A question to all musos on this list... please feel free to contact me off-list if you wish. Anyone out there use an analog sequencer? Well, I kind of know the answer to that having seen some of the Okefenokee photos... Thinking of getting Doepfer Schaltwerk or Regelwerk. I understand from reading a review on the ampmusic site that the Maq might not be all that good? I'm leaning towards the Regelwerk because it looks like I can control eight channels of Live using the first eight faders, and then have eight tracks of sequences using the other 16. Looks like the current version can transpose sequences based on midi input. I have a few 'analog' software sequencers and plugins, as well as Nord modular sequences, but I'm looking for something hands on with knobs or other controls that can be tweaked in realtime. Also because my current notebook isn't too good at being able to run Live and Cubase and too many virtual synths all at the same time. Perhaps I might be better off getting a second notebook and dedicated controller. I appreciate any thoughts. THANKS!!! Wes Liondream@a... From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Tue May 28, 2002 9:07 pm Subject: Michael Hoenig / Baulder's Gate Question For the group: Are there any other Michael Hoenig releases from the Baulder's Gate series other than the soundtrack CD that was included with the collector's edition of the original game? I know he composed the music for one of the other games, but was it ever released? -jim Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34167 Re: Michael Hoenig / Baulder's Gate Owens, James Wed 5/29/2002 3 KB From: Morgan Feldon Date: Tue May 28, 2002 9:26 pm Subject: Analog synths? >A question to all musos on this list... please feel free to contact me >off-list >if you wish. > >Anyone out there use an analog sequencer? Well, I kind of know the answer to >that having seen some of the Okefenokee photos... > >-Wes If every Nord owner who attended Oke 2002 had brought theirs, we would have had 6 or 7 of them! Sounds like a ringing endorsement to me. :) -Morgan From: 'Neil Hudson' Date: Tue May 28, 2002 10:11 pm Subject: Late Junction / John Peel UK fans might like to know that the eclectic Radio 3 programme 'Late Junction' will be playing 'a blast from the past with Tangerine Dream' during the programme on Thursday 30 May. The programme runs from 22:15 till 00:05. It'll only be an old album track, but it's nice to know that someone at the BBC still thinks that TD are worth playing. By the way, John Peel hasn't given up on the band. It was only a few years ago that he played the whole of 'Origin of Supernatural Possibilities', apparently to teach a lesson to various ambient musicians, and he also played a track by Star Sounds Orchestra under the mistaken belief that this was TD under an assumed name. I haven't had a chance to hear his programme recently though. Neil Hudson PS The usual obsequious thanks to all concerned with the Tangerine Tree - all well worth the wait. Any chance of a pre-Phaedra concert in the future? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34172 Re: Late Junction / John Peel Jonathan Holt Wed 5/29/2002 2 KB From: Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid Date: Tue May 28, 2002 11:30 pm Subject: Re: AW: [tadream] Question About Downloading Dreamwatcher Cover Art Photoshop works wonders for image conversion. Herbert wrote: > Hi, > no chance (or tool available) to convert the gif to jpeg or whatever your > program accepts? > Send the files over to me (off list). I'll try to convert them to whatever > format you perfer (hope i can :)) ) > > Herbert > > > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > > Von: Deb H-J [mailto:dhj4@y...] > > Gesendet: Dienstag, 28. Mai 2002 21:27 > > An: tadream@yahoogroups.com > > Betreff: [tadream] Question About Downloading Dreamwatcher Cover Art > > > > > > Joe, Tom, et. al.: > > > > Sorry to have to send this through the list, but I'm > > not sure who the best person is to query on this. > > > > I have been trying to print the coverart for my copy > > of the two Dreamwatcher Tales volumes, but despite all > > my efforts, my two label printing software packages > > (Adaptec and Mediaface II) will not take .gif files. > > > > Any suggestions for how to get around this? The > > solution is probably pretty obvious, but I'm > > frustrated. > > > > Thanks in advance for your help, and feel free to > > contact me off the list... > > > > Deb H-J > > dhj4@y... > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34157 Re: AW: [tadream] Question About Downloading Drea atye@a... Wed 5/29/2002 2 KB From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Wed May 29, 2002 1:51 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Legend DVD 'Isolated Score' From: Dave Brewer [mailto:deibu@i...] >I watched the directors cut last night, and it's like a totally different film! Well, maybe not totally, but it's very different. I thought Goldsmith's soundtrack was very good, and went very well with the visuals. And he even used more synths than I would have guessed. After finishing the whole package, I have to agree. The original soundtrack is very good, and with the additional scenes, the movie takes on a completely different tone. There's almost a 'Disney' fairy tale feel about it (and in a good way), but that seems to be exactly what Ridley Scott wanted (esp. if you pay attention to his remarks about the cartoons he used to watch). I'm sorry that the version didn't include the extended introduction and fairy dance. > But I still prefer TD's score for some strange reason. ;-) ... I still like the original version, but I really enjoyed the director's cut, and wonder why they felt they had to cut so much out... Again, I feel the same way. Maybe it's my dedication to TD , but Goldsmith is one of my favorite composers, too. I think, for me, it's that the TD score gives the movie a (pardon the phrase) dream-like quality. Goldsmith's score is much more incidental, but TD's music flows -- sometimes in the background, sometimes very much in the foreground. It makes it feel like something that's coming out of your own imagination versus someone telling it to you. I can see why some of the scenes were taken out; many were just extended shots and non-essential dialog. >And the film looks and sounds great. The DTS track was most impressive. The original cut clearly didn't get the same treatment video and sound-wise, but it still looks and sounds the best it ever has by a long shot. The deleted scenes were cool to see, as was the documentary. I look forward to hearing the commentary over the director's cut, as I've read it's very good. Yeah, I was disappointed that the US release didn't get a DTS cut. I've got a sound field adjustment on my receiver that makes it sound better than regular Dolby Surround, so it is much better than my old VHS version. It's Widescreen, too! Scott's commentary seemed redundant in light of the featurette on the 2nd DVD; maybe he didn't know it existed when he recorded the commentary. I would have liked to know a little more about the 'back-story' to the film (what was the story behind the elf working with the goblins?). >I must not be a very big TD fan, as this is the first DVD of a movie they've scored that I've bought. And I didn't buy it just for the version of the film they scored! :-) I guess I'll have to start getting some other TD movie DVDs to redeem myself... Besides Legend, there's Thief, Sorcerer, Vision Quest, and Risky Business. Near Dark is supposed to be released on DVD soon. Does anyone know if Firestarter is on DVD? After that, I'm not sure that there are any others. - jim From: atye@a... Date: Wed May 29, 2002 2:09 am Subject: Re: AW: [tadream] Question About Downloading Dreamwatcher Cover Art I use Irfanview...it's a free download and does anything that the average user could possibly need for graphics. ATYE [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Mark Filipak Date: Wed May 29, 2002 4:14 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Legend DVD 'Isolated Score' Jim Moore wrote: > -big snip- > > ... Does anyone know if Firestarter is on DVD? Yes, it is. -- Mark From: 'John Vertical' Date: Wed May 29, 2002 7:25 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Legend DVD 'Isolated Score' > > ... Does anyone know if Firestarter is on DVD? > >Yes, it is. -- Mark I've seen it avaivable in about every store that sells DVDs here... John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From: 'braddito' Date: Wed May 29, 2002 7:28 am Subject: Ray Hallett - are you out there ? Ray, if you see this, please contact me off list re Schulze / Froese items. Thanks Toby From: Date: Wed May 29, 2002 8:41 am Subject: vacation notice hello all, I am on vacation from 31.05. to 14.06.2002 . At this time I cant answer to your emails, after my return (to the Berlin TD Show on 15.06.) I will answer to all emails. Thank you. Regards heiko - Mr. Optical www.opticaldream.de [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: GKNARFAPPAZ@a... Date: Wed May 29, 2002 9:13 am Subject: Klaus Schulze rarity Anyone help me shed some light on a CD I have just acquired. It is just called Klaus Schulze United States eighty-three. Apart from the obvious, does anyone know where in the States this was recorded or anything else about it. The tracks are: Disc 1 Sequence one (43:59) Disc 2 Sequence two (35:00) finale (10:31) Cheers Derek Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34163 Re: Klaus Schulze rarity Heiko Heerssen Wed 5/29/2002 2 KB 34164 Re: Klaus Schulze rarity coldwatercanyon Wed 5/29/2002 3 KB 34165 Re: Klaus Schulze rarity GKNARFAPPAZ@a... Wed 5/29/2002 2 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Wed May 29, 2002 9:25 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus Schulze rarity > Anyone help me shed some light on a CD I have just acquired. It is just > called Klaus Schulze United States eighty-three. Apart from the obvious, does > anyone know where in the States this was recorded or anything else about it. > The tracks are: > Disc 1 > Sequence one (43:59) > Disc 2 > Sequence two (35:00) > finale (10:31) KS never played in the U.S., as far as I know the music is an audience recording which was taken from the London Royal Albert Hall 1991 concert. Heiko From: coldwatercanyon Date: Wed May 29, 2002 9:18 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus Schulze rarity Schulze never toured the US. This concert recording was from London Royal Festival Hall in 1991. Rgds Jeffrey -----Original Message----- From: GKNARFAPPAZ@a... To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] Klaus Schulze rarity Date: Wed May 29 17:13:02 HKT 2002 Anyone help me shed some light on a CD I have just acquired. It is just called Klaus Schulze United States eighty-three. Apart from the obvious, does anyone know where in the States this was recorded or anything else about it. The tracks are: Disc 1 Sequence one (43:59) Disc 2 Sequence two (35:00) finale (10:31) Cheers Derek ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ -------------------- This email service is provided by So-net HK. Apply Now to be our members. From: GKNARFAPPAZ@a... Date: Wed May 29, 2002 9:22 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus Schulze rarity In a message dated 29/05/02 10:19:40 GMT Daylight Time, coldwatercanyon@s... writes: > Schulze never toured the US. This concert recording was from London Royal > Festival Hall in 1991. > Thanks for the speedy replies from both of you. That has really messed my mind up now LOL. Thanks to you both for that info. Derek [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Wed May 29, 2002 1:30 pm Subject: Inferno concert Berlin June 15th So who will attend TD's 'inferno' concert at the Museumsinsel in Berlin on June 15th? And who knows a good meeting point (restaurant, café etc.)? Please contact me off-list. There *might* be a chance for me/us to present the second 'Tangerine Tree' box to Edgar & Jerome before or after the concert, but I was told that it depends on how much time TD can spare for us fans for a short 'meet and greet'. Heiko From: 'Owens, James' Date: Wed May 29, 2002 3:28 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Michael Hoenig / Baulder's Gate I've got some mp3's of stuff from Baldur's Gate 2: 06 Underdark 09 Waukeen's Promenade 13 Jon Irenicas Encounter Theme 26 The Asylum 33 Amongst the Sahaugin Excellent sound quality, probably from a CD. The longest of these is 3:00. I seem to remember hearing that the Polish release of BG2 (and possibly other countries as well) included the soundtrack disc. > -----Original Message----- > Question For the group: > Are there any other Michael Hoenig releases from the > Baulder's Gate series other than the soundtrack CD that was > included with the collector's edition of the original game? I > know he composed the music for one of the other games, but > was it ever released? > -jim From: Deb H-J Date: Wed May 29, 2002 3:33 pm Subject: Question About Downloading Dreamwatcher Cover Art Maff: << Open Internet Explorer. For each .GIF file you want to convert, drag and drop the file into the Internet Explorer window so it displays in the browser. >> Thanks mucho for your suggestion. I tried saving them as .bmp files before I wrote the list, but when I uploaded them they were so grainy that I couldn't read the print on the labels. I am going to try with Irfanview, and see if this does the trick. Thanks to everyone for your suggestions. I'll let the list know what works. Adios, Deb H-J dhj4@y... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From: 'E Neal Frost' Date: Wed May 29, 2002 4:16 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1360 Is there a special edition for Thief? Sorcerer? And any word on The Keep going to DVD anytime soon? Special Edition?? Neal >>Besides Legend, there's Thief, Sorcerer, Vision Quest, and >>Risky >>Business. Near Dark is supposed to be released on DVD >>oon. Does >>anyone know if Firestarter is on DVD? After that, I'm not sure >>that >>there are any others. >>- jim Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34174 Re: Digest Number 1360 Jim Moore Wed 5/29/2002 2 KB 34187 Re: Digest Number 1360 chris towers Sat 6/1/2002 3 KB From: 'Owens, James' Date: Wed May 29, 2002 4:48 pm Subject: More Michael Hoenig / Baulder's Gate info According to CDDB there is a BG2 soundtrack and a BG2 bonus disc from the MAC version. Both have the same music tracks in the same order. (The mp3s I have are numbered and titled the same as these.) HOWEVER, it looks like there are at least 2 versions of the first Baldur's Gate. One is listed as Baldur's Gate Soundtrack, and the other as Baldur's Gate the Original Saga. Both have 33 tracks, but they are in different orders, and they differ by 1 track. The last track on 'Baldur's Gate Soundtrack' is: 33 Icewind Dale Theme 'The Original Saga' is missing that track but has instead: 31 Ever Deeper I don't know if both of these are official versions. Can anyone verify? Also there is another one listed on CDDB that appears to be someone's extractions directly from the game, since the names are mostly different, and it includes tracks called Black Isle, BioWare, and TSR, which I would assume is the sounds played while these companies logos are on the screen. Track names appear to be in French. James From: 'vic rek' Date: Wed May 29, 2002 5:10 pm Subject: Going Off-Line I'm going off-line as of NOW through the end of June. I will not be able to return any e-mails until July 1st. Take Care, Vic Rek Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34173 Re: Going Off-Line Joe Shoults Wed 5/29/2002 2 KB From: Jonathan Holt Date: Wed May 29, 2002 5:29 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Late Junction / John Peel Radio3 is also available on the internet. Go to www.bbc.co.uk/radio3 I get home at about 5:15pm eastern time, just in time I reckon! Jonathan --- Neil Hudson wrote: > UK fans might like to know that the eclectic Radio 3 > programme 'Late > Junction' will be playing 'a blast from the past > with Tangerine Dream' > during the programme on Thursday 30 May. The > programme runs from 22:15 till > 00:05. It'll only be an old album track, but it's > nice to know that someone > at the BBC still thinks that TD are worth playing. > ______________________________________________________________________ Find, Connect, Date! http://personals.yahoo.ca From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed May 29, 2002 5:52 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Going Off-Line FYI for all: you can send a blank e-mail to 'tadream-nomail@yahoogroups.com' and it will switch your mail off until you send one of these: tadream-normal@yahoogroups.com or tadream-digest@yahoogroups.com > -----Original Message----- > From: vic rek [mailto:tangerinedream@a...] > Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 1:10 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Going Off-Line > > > I'm going off-line as of NOW through the end of June. > I will not be able to return any e-mails until July 1st. > > Take Care, > Vic Rek From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Wed May 29, 2002 6:40 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1360 I believe Thief is a director's cut edition. There are added scenes and a director's commentary (with James Caan). Can't recall the surround sound format. Sorcerer is pretty vanilla plain, though. It's not even in widescreen. (Though I can't remember what the original film aspect ratio was. Friedkin was kind of funny about those things.) Isn't the Keep the only Michael Mann movie that hasn't been released on DVD? -jim -----Original Message----- >From: 'E Neal Frost' >Is there a special edition for Thief? Sorcerer? And any word on The Keep >going to DVD anytime soon? Special Edition?? From: 'C. Chambers' Date: Thu May 30, 2002 2:59 am Subject: Gola (Zlatko Perica's band) Fellow dreamers, Has anyone got any comments on the new guitar excursions of the Z-man? I found this site which describes (in German?) some activity by the guitarist. Can someone familiar with them describe the music for me? http://www.seven49.net/4-heads/gola/ Worth checking out? Thanks. Craig Chambers Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 36548 Re: Gola (Zlatko Perica's band) fairway_ch fairway_ch Tue 10/8/2002 3 KB From: Kevin Keller Date: Thu May 30, 2002 7:12 am Subject: IMMERSION - Keller Trio Final Spring Show 5.30.02 Imagine... You walk up the stairs of the chapel in the heart of San Francisco's Presidio, and as you step inside, you are immersed in a world of music and images: time-lapse clouds roll across the ceiling, the moon rises on one wall as the sun sets on the other, and the sounds of cello, bass, and keyboards rise into the evening sky. You are experiencing IMMERSION, the final show of our Spring Tour. Bring your friends and family for this very special evening of space music and visuals. 'The cosmic sounds of the Kevin Keller Trio combine acoustic and electronic sounds that transmit a dreamlike aura, with a state-of-the-art visual production...a unique experience of sound and vision.' -Urban View, Oakland 'Bridges the worlds of classical performance and blissful contemplation...an enthralling soundscape.' -SF Bay Guardian IMMERSION Space Music by the Kevin Keller Trio (Kevin Keller/keyboards, Tania SImoncelli/cello, Mark Fassett/bass) with guest DJ Dagny Live Visuals by Luna http://www.visualmeditation.com/ Thursday, May 30 at 8pm Presidio Main Post Chapel 130 Fisher Loop, Presidio Park, San Francisco For map and directions: http://www.sfo.com/~goldengate/interfaith-presidio/map.htm $15 at the door Start your weekend early and immerse yourself in bliss.... Please visit http://www.kevinkeller.com for more information and free music downloads From: 'Yannick EDOM' Date: Thu May 30, 2002 7:28 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Question About Downloading Dreamwatcher Cover Art Hi there All artworks (and infos) can be seen on Joe Shoults' www.tadream.net website and the high resolution JPG files are available for download through Fred Yargui's website (http://perso.wanadoo.fr/fred_y). Yannick Edom Mirage Créations Champlain B7 A 101 47 Chemin de Pelleport 31500 TOULOUSE FRANCE e-mail : yannick.edom@s... > > Maff: > > << Open Internet Explorer. For each .GIF file you want > to convert, drag and drop the file into the Internet > Explorer window so it displays in the > browser. >> > > Thanks mucho for your suggestion. I tried saving them > as .bmp files before I wrote the list, but when I > uploaded them they were so grainy that I couldn't read > the print on the labels. > > I am going to try with Irfanview, and see if this does > the trick. > > Thanks to everyone for your suggestions. I'll let the > list know what works. > > Adios, > > Deb H-J > dhj4@y... > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > From: 'Yannick EDOM' Date: Thu May 30, 2002 7:30 am Subject: Re: [tadream] DWT 2 trak list > Anyone happen to have the DWT 2 trak list handy, so I can get it printed > out? > > Many thanx. > Please visit the Olyam Website at http://www.olyam.com (click on the link 'cliquez ici pour en savoir plus sur le projet Dreamwatchers Tales') for full track listing from all Volume of DWT. You can also hear shorts extracts from these relases. Yannick Edom Mirage Créations Champlain B7 A 101 47 Chemin de Pelleport 31500 TOULOUSE FRANCE e-mail : yannick.edom@s... From: 'hotsewer' Date: Thu May 30, 2002 12:06 pm Subject: Romance 76 I am looking for a CD of Peter Baumann - Romance 76. Does anybody know how difficult this item is to find? I have not seen it for years and I am sure its no longer in print. What would be a reasonable price to pay for a secondhand copy? I would also like to get a copy of Edgar Froese - Macular transfer. I know original CD's are in very short supply (which you need to take out a second morgage to buy a copy). Would anyone be willing to burn a copy for me? Please contact me of list TIM GOLDS (tgolds3551@a...) From: 'michael_berling' Date: Thu May 30, 2002 5:11 pm Subject: VitN - Bootleg section added Hi all, I'd just like to inform you that I have uploaded an extensive update of 'Voices In The Net' today. As announced some weeks ago, VitN now features a bootleg section, including detailed information about every TD bootleg that was ever released on vinyl or cd (but not on cd-r, of course). Furthermore VitN now includes the updated version of Klaus Beschorner's classic article 'Bootlegged Dreams', extended with an exclusive set of photos taken of his bootleg collection. Please visit http://voices-in-the-net.de and check the 'News' section for details. I'd like to thank anyone who supplied information about bootlegs on the internet (private homepages, mailing lists or whereever). There are too many sources I got bits of information from to mention them here completely. But there are three members of this list who supported me directly during creation of the bootleg part of VitN: Klaus Beschorner, Duncan McKee and Peter Stoeferle -- thank you! VitN is made by fans for fans - enjoy! Michael Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34181 Re: VitN - Bootleg section added yanx_88 Thu 5/30/2002 3 KB From: 'yanx_88' Date: Thu May 30, 2002 6:15 pm Subject: Re: VitN - Bootleg section added Bravo! Voices-in-the-net is very awesome! Yo do a great job! Yanick Vigneault tdream88@h... --- In tadream@y..., 'michael_berling' wrote: > Hi all, > > I'd just like to inform you that I have uploaded an extensive update > of 'Voices In The Net' today. > > As announced some weeks ago, VitN now features a bootleg section, > including detailed information about every TD bootleg that was ever > released on vinyl or cd (but not on cd-r, of course). > > Furthermore VitN now includes the updated version of Klaus > Beschorner's classic article 'Bootlegged Dreams', extended with an > exclusive set of photos taken of his bootleg collection. > > Please visit http://voices-in-the-net.de and check the 'News' section > for details. > > I'd like to thank anyone who supplied information about bootlegs on > the internet (private homepages, mailing lists or whereever). There > are too many sources I got bits of information from to mention them > here completely. But there are three members of this list who > supported me directly during creation of the bootleg part of VitN: > Klaus Beschorner, Duncan McKee and Peter Stoeferle -- thank you! > > VitN is made by fans for fans - enjoy! > > Michael From: John McIntyre Date: Thu May 30, 2002 6:49 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Detroit 1997? Morgan Feldon wrote: > >Yeah, everything you say is right, but... > > > >I want a copy of the 1997 show that I was at. I want Detroit, even if it's > >'basically identical' to Toronto, I want Detroit. If it exists, put it out. > > > > Tangerine Dream played Detroit in 1997? Wait til Paul finds out. :) Err, what I meant was whatever year it was they last played Detroit, at the Fox Theater. (-8 John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre@p... From: 'Peter Ravn' Date: Thu May 30, 2002 6:54 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Detroit 1997? 1992 ----- Original Message ----- From: 'John McIntyre' To: Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 8:49 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Detroit 1997? > Morgan Feldon wrote: > > > >Yeah, everything you say is right, but... > > > > > >I want a copy of the 1997 show that I was at. I want Detroit, even if it's > > >'basically identical' to Toronto, I want Detroit. If it exists, put it out. > > > > > > > Tangerine Dream played Detroit in 1997? Wait til Paul finds out. :) > > Err, what I meant was whatever year it was they last played Detroit, at the Fox > Theater. (-8 > > John McIntyre > Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept > Michigan State University > mcintyre@p... > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'John Vertical' Date: Fri May 31, 2002 12:00 pm Subject: Flashpoint LP I was just browsing VitN (because of the new bootleg section of course) and I eventually stumbled across the entry for Flashpoint. It says that the CD is ultra rare; but what about the LP? I recall seeing one at a certain store for €25... is that cheap or not? John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34186 Re: Flashpoint LP michaeljean@e... Fri 5/31/2002 3 KB 34198 Re: Flashpoint LP thomas b Sun 6/2/2002 3 KB 34206 Re: Flashpoint LP Paul Lawler Sun 6/2/2002 3 KB 34207 Re: Flashpoint LP coldwatercanyon Mon 6/3/2002 4 KB 34213 Re: Flashpoint LP thomas b Mon 6/3/2002 2 KB 34214 Re: Flashpoint LP Brian Stewart Mon 6/3/2002 2 KB From: Liondream@a... Date: Fri May 31, 2002 2:25 pm Subject: Detroit Hey, that must have been 1992!!! Did they do Purple Haze as one of the encores? That was a great show... a friend and I drove up there doing kind of the Wayne's World journey thing... That was the year they autographed my copy of Quinioa for me after the show!!! Fox Theater... very cool place with all the elephants hanging from the ceiling, etc.!!! << >Yeah, everything you say is right, but... > > > >I want a copy of the 1997 show that I was at. I want Detroit, even if it's > >'basically identical' to Toronto, I want Detroit. If it exists, put it out. > > > > Tangerine Dream played Detroit in 1997? Wait til Paul finds out. :) Err, what I meant was whatever year it was they last played Detroit, at the Fox Theater. (-8 John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre@p...>>> From: 'michaeljean@e...' Date: Fri May 31, 2002 4:30 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Flashpoint LP Perhaps for the picture disc, but I can't imagine the regular vinyl LP is worth that much... It was probably worth more some years ago before Flashpoint was finally reissued on CD. I think I have a cassette version in my collection as well. MJ Original Message: ----------------- From: John Vertical johnvertical@h... Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 15:00:32 +0300 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] Flashpoint LP I was just browsing VitN (because of the new bootleg section of course) and I eventually stumbled across the entry for Flashpoint. It says that the CD is ultra rare; but what about the LP? I recall seeing one at a certain store for €25... is that cheap or not? John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From: chris towers Date: Sat Jun 1, 2002 8:54 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1360 Yeah im sure i saw Firestarter on DVD. This was in HMV in Manchester so i presume its readily available at most good record stores. Chris --- E Neal Frost wrote: > Is there a special edition for Thief? Sorcerer? And > any word on The Keep > going to DVD anytime soon? Special Edition?? > > Neal > > >>Besides Legend, there's Thief, Sorcerer, Vision > Quest, and >>Risky > >>Business. Near Dark is supposed to be released on > DVD >>oon. Does > >>anyone know if Firestarter is on DVD? After that, > I'm not sure >>that > >>there are any others. > > >>- jim > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung' Date: Sat Jun 1, 2002 2:55 pm Subject: Off-topic: World Cup 2002 This is obviously off-topic but can't help from what I just watched earlier: Germany vs. Saudi Arabia 8 : 0 What else can I say except the word 'AWESOME'? Jeffrey Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34189 Re: Off-topic: World Cup 2002 Paul Fellows Sat 6/1/2002 3 KB 34218 Re: Off-topic: World Cup 2002 Armin Theissen Tue 6/4/2002 3 KB 34230 Re: Off-topic: World Cup 2002 PERGAMON Tue 6/4/2002 4 KB 34285 Re: Off-topic: World Cup 2002 Richard Stockwell Mon 6/10/2002 3 KB 34236 Re: Off-topic: World Cup 2002 Joe Shoults Wed 6/5/2002 5 KB 34237 Re: Off-topic: World Cup 2002 PERGAMON Wed 6/5/2002 6 KB 34287 Re: Off-topic: World Cup 2002 Administrator for kay-net.com Mon 6/10/2002 3 KB 34292 Re: Off-topic: World Cup 2002 Synthhtnys@a... Mon 6/10/2002 2 KB From: Paul Fellows Date: Sat Jun 1, 2002 4:35 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Off-topic: World Cup 2002 Unlike France's performance against Senegal - but let's face it, most of the Senegal team are French anyway so it's not surprising! Paul (who still doesn't know whether to support France or England)... on 1/06/02 16:55, Jeffrey Au-Yeung at coldwatercanyon@s... wrote: > This is obviously off-topic but can't help from what I just watched earlier: > > Germany vs. Saudi Arabia > > 8 : 0 > > What else can I say except the word 'AWESOME'? > > Jeffrey > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'fozziebear' Date: Sat Jun 1, 2002 5:45 pm Subject: Legend For those who don't have the video or the DVD, Legend is on Brit TV , BBC2, 4.50 GMT, June 3rd. According to 'Choice TV' reviewer - 'Lush looking fantasy from the director of Gladiator. Tom Cruise stars as an innocent child of the forest who falls for fairy tale princess Mia Sara. But all is not well in paradise, as the devilish Tim Curry and his evil minions attempt to kill all the unicorns, thus plunging the world into eternal darkness. Younger kids will lap up this visual feast, but this is essentially a shallow affair which won't impress anyone who saw the recent blockbuster The Lord of The Rings. Curry easily steals the show.' B*ll*ck$. It's one of my favorite films after Rocky Horror, also starring Tim Curry David np Volume 5 Frankfurt 1983. I haven't played my old clear vinyl Fassbinder record for ages. Is the Tree CD any longer than the record? Still got the bum notes. Was that you, Johannes? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34193 Re: Legend convention24 Sat 6/1/2002 3 KB From: 'fozziebear' Date: Sat Jun 1, 2002 5:47 pm Subject: The Blob Tonight Channel 4 is playing The Blob at 1.45am. Isn't that a Michael Hoenig film? Boo hoo, long past my bedtime. David I wish TD had done the soundtrack to Aliens. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34192 Re: The Blob Wade Gordon Sat 6/1/2002 2 KB From: Wade Gordon Date: Sat Jun 1, 2002 8:15 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The Blob Michael Hoenig did a bang up job on the ost. It is now out of print and worth the quest to find it although, I saw it available on msn.music. Wade --- fozziebear wrote: > Tonight Channel 4 is playing The Blob at 1.45am. > Isn't that a Michael Hoenig film? > > Boo hoo, long past my bedtime. > > David > > > I wish TD had done the soundtrack to Aliens. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From: 'convention24' Date: Sat Jun 1, 2002 10:30 pm Subject: Re: Legend --- In tadream@y..., 'fozziebear' wrote: > For those who don't have the video or the DVD, Legend is on Brit TV , BBC2, 4.50 GMT, June 3rd. > > According to 'Choice TV' reviewer - 'Lush looking fantasy from the director of Gladiator. Tom Cruise stars as an innocent child of the forest who falls for fairy tale princess Mia Sara. But all is not well in paradise, as the devilish Tim Curry and his evil minions attempt to kill all the unicorns, thus plunging the world into eternal darkness. Younger kids will lap up this visual feast, but this is essentially a shallow affair which won't impress anyone who saw the recent blockbuster The Lord of The Rings. Curry easily steals the show.' > > B*ll*ck$. > > It's one of my favorite films after Rocky Horror, also starring Tim Curry Curry my Arse,this is Tangerine Dream at their very awesome best. A fantastic malange of sheer brilliant music,just ordered a wonderful PHALL from the local.Tangerine Dream-Without doubt the WORLDS number 1 > > > David > > np Volume 5 Frankfurt 1983. I haven't played my old clear vinyl Fassbinder record for ages. Is the Tree CD any longer than the record? Still got the bum notes. Was that you, Johannes? > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Sun Jun 2, 2002 12:54 am Subject: wow. Many thanks to all involved with the Tangerine Tree Project. My mind is completely blown. I've only heard the first CD (Formerly known as Me-rad) all the way through but I am stunned at how good it sounds... Me-rad was a favorite and this sounds so much better than what I previously had so appropriate thank yous to whoever is responsible (Mark did you EQ this?) I'm not sure if it's because it's from an earlier generation or someone dialing in the sound but this is great and again Thanks To Everyone! Poly From: Kevin Keller Date: Sun Jun 2, 2002 2:06 am Subject: Free Music from Kevin Keller Trio FREE MUSIC at http://www.kevinkeller.com/listen.html 'A Star in a Stoneboat', the final single from Across the Sky is now available as a free download at the Listening Station. This piece has been an audience favorite at our recent shows, and showcases one of Tania's most emotional and lyrical performances on the cello. We have also added three excerpts from our recent radio interview on KPFA with Derk Richardson. SPRING TOUR - A GREAT SUCCESS! We would like to thank everyone who came out to see us at our three Bay Area shows. Whether it was at the Morrison Planetarium, the Chabot Space & Science Center, or the Presidio, our audience always inspired us to put on our best performances. Have a great Summer, and look for us in the Fall. Kevin Keller Trio From: Morgan Feldon Date: Sun Jun 2, 2002 1:38 am Subject: Frankfurt 83 'Fassbinder' >np Volume 5 Frankfurt 1983. I haven't played my old clear vinyl Fassbinder >record for ages. Is the Tree CD any longer than the record? Still got the >bum notes. Was that you, Johannes? Longer (the full concert including the 'Flying Kamikaze' ending), and much clearer. -Morgan From: Morgan Feldon Date: Sun Jun 2, 2002 1:45 am Subject: Nottingham 1976 'Me-Rad' >Synthhtnys said: >My mind is completely blown. I've only heard the first CD >(Formerly known as Me-rad) all the way through but I am stunned at how good >it sounds... >Me-rad was a favorite and this sounds so much better than what I previously >had so appropriate thank yous to whoever is responsible (Mark did you EQ >this?) >I'm not sure if it's because it's from an earlier generation or someone >dialing in the sound but this is great and again Thanks To Everyone! The best disc in the box. :) The first and last sets of this show are from a much better tape that was not previously available to the public (it was in a drawer/closet/etc.) He's provided an exceptional tape for Tangerine Tree II as well. The Nottingham encore is from a lower generation of the Me-Rad source and DID require a LOT of remastering and tape speed adjustment. There is still some speed warbling--on a 4-5 second loop (you really have to listen for it, but once you hear it, it can really drive you nuts) but it's 10 times better than what it was before. Unfortunately, it fades off before the completion of the track. Darn batteries! -Morgan From: thomas b Date: Fri May 31, 2002 9:47 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Flashpoint LP That's pretty expensive for the LP. It is very easy to get hold of, and retails usually for between 4-5 USD/Euro. The picture disc version is pretty rare, but I wouldn't pay 25 euro for it. The CD is very rare, mainly because the lions share of them were unplayable in most cd players, and the release was not very large to begin with (if I remember correctly). Thomas --- John Vertical wrote: > I was just browsing VitN (because of the new bootleg > section of course) and > I eventually stumbled across the entry for > Flashpoint. It says that the CD > is ultra rare; but what about the LP? I recall > seeing one at a certain store > for €25... is that cheap or not? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From: 'edmorrisuk' Date: Sat Jun 1, 2002 3:20 pm Subject: Orbital remix TD Hi all For those interested, on June 24th, UK electronic/dance/techno outfit Orbital release an album of material from various artists remixed by themselves titled 'Back To Mine'. It contains a remix of the TD track - Network 23. For more details see http://www.loopz.co.uk Ed From: Nigel Pennington Date: Mon May 27, 2002 8:05 pm Subject: Krautrock Karnival in Devon! fans of Tangerine Dream and Klaus Schulze will find this of interest! St David's Ambience Society - The Phoenix Exeter - www.krautrocknet.com proudly present...KRAUTROCK KARNIVALCIRCLE - APPLIANCE - KUBUSSCHNITT Finnish Space Rockers CIRCLE headline Devon's first Krautrock Karnival on Friday 7th June at The Pheonix Centre, Gandy Street, Exeter. Accompanying the Nordic Noisemeisters will be Mute recording artists APPLIANCE, Berlin School masters KUBUSSCHNITT, plus a host of DJs, vintage Krautrock video footage, stalls and plenty of special guests throughout the evening. More details can be found at www.krautrocknet.com. Exeter Pheonix, 7th June, £8/6, 8pm until late, 01392 667080 More artists are currently being added to the bill, so look out for email updates and over the next few days! --------------------------------- Sign up to watch the FIFA World Cup video highlights from your desk! http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/fc/en [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Miguel Farah Date: Mon May 27, 2002 6:42 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Logos Heiko Heerssen [17/05/2002 03:00] dijo/said: >> Now I know that actually people can fly... >> At least, while listening to Logos (part one) >> :o) > >I had the same feeling when I first listened to 'Logos'..this was the first >TD album I bought in 1983, and it's still among my most favourite albums >ever. Although the music is almost 20 years old it doesn't sound dated at >all...the Froese/Franke/Schmoelling line-up was inredible!! :-) I don't want to sound like an AOLer, but... Me too! From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Sun Jun 2, 2002 1:45 pm Subject: [tree] Tangerine Tree 2 covers available for download The covers for the new Tree release are finished and available for download here: http://www.mst3uk.com/tdtree To maintain the best quality the images are quite large, so if you have a slow or unstable connection please check the instructions on the download page for tips. Maff _______________________________________________ www.tachyon-tv.co.uk www.maff.da.ru www.mst3uk.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34204 AW: [tadream] [tree] Tangerine Tree 2 covers avai Herbert Sun 6/2/2002 2 KB 34210 [tree] Tangerine Tree 2 covers available for down Klaus Beschorner Mon 6/3/2002 2 KB From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Sun Jun 2, 2002 4:04 pm Subject: Homepage update Hi all, before leaving for some business trips (Italy, USA), I have updated the lists on my hompage. A few new entries, an updated Swaplist, and two more 'secrets' revealed in the Remarks&Corrections file. Enjoy ! http://www.caby.de/music.htm cheers, klaus -- Klaus.Beschorner........................work....+49-7033-45683 Drosselweg.6............................fax.....+49-7033-45631 D-71120.Grafenau........................Mobile.+49-174 3157754 Germany.................................home....+49-7033-45142 ............................................http://www.caby.de From: 'Herbert' Date: Sun Jun 2, 2002 4:32 pm Subject: AW: [tadream] [tree] Tangerine Tree 2 covers available for download Hi. The covers are looking as good as the previous ones. (about as good as TDIs ones - or even better). Is there already a release date for the contents available? Herbert > > > The covers for the new Tree release are finished and > available for download > here: > > http://www.mst3uk.com/tdtree > > To maintain the best quality the images are quite large, so > if you have a > slow or unstable connection please check the instructions on > the download > page for tips. > From: Morgan Feldon Date: Sun Jun 2, 2002 4:44 pm Subject: Tangerine Tree II Artwork - Mirror I now have the Tangerine Tree II Artwork mirrored at my website. Thanks to Maff, Jobim, and Marko for continuing to produce artwork that lives up to the standard set by the Tangerine Tree sound quality. I have repackaged the artwork into 3 ZIP files, each approximately 3.5 megabytes. I've gone through with Photoshop 6 and meticulously shaved precious kilobytes off each file, to end up with smaller files with no visible loss of quality. On a 56k modem, these should take about 15 minutes to download each. If you have trouble downloading the artwork, please e-mail me privately at feldon @ feldoncentral.com. http://www.feldoncentral.com/tdtree2/ I haven't yet got the 'cube' artwork online yet. -Morgan P.S. I wonder what color scheme we'll see on Tangerine Tree III. :) The funny thing is, if you invert the colors, you get a nice shade of tangerine... http://www.feldoncentral.com/tdtree2/vol12front-invert.jpg From: 'Paul Lawler' Date: Sun Jun 2, 2002 2:28 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Flashpoint LP ----- Original Message ----- From: 'thomas b' To: Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 10:47 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Flashpoint LP > The CD is very rare, mainly because the lions share of > them were unplayable in most cd players, and the > release was not very large to begin with (if I > remember correctly). > I got a sealed copy of the CD from ebay for£10 from an american company .They also had another copy for sale as well . How much are they worth normally ? Paul > Thomas > > --- John Vertical wrote: > > I was just browsing VitN (because of the new bootleg > > section of course) and > > I eventually stumbled across the entry for > > Flashpoint. It says that the CD > > is ultra rare; but what about the LP? I recall > > seeing one at a certain store > > for ?25... is that cheap or not? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34207 Re: Flashpoint LP coldwatercanyon Mon 6/3/2002 4 KB 34213 Re: Flashpoint LP thomas b Mon 6/3/2002 2 KB From: coldwatercanyon Date: Mon Jun 3, 2002 5:30 am Subject: Re: Re: [tadream] Flashpoint LP Hi Believe it or not, I still have a photocopy of a Record Collector Book (forgot the title though), in which the Flashpoint Heavy Metal playable CD is said to worth 50 pounds! Whether one agrees to it or not, the CD now does not seem that rare, as it turns up more often from time to time on ebay. Rgds Jeffrey -----Original Message----- From: Paul Lawler To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [tadream] Flashpoint LP Date: Sun Jun 02 22:28:50 HKT 2002 ----- Original Message ----- From: 'thomas b' To: Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 10:47 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Flashpoint LP > The CD is very rare, mainly because the lions share of > them were unplayable in most cd players, and the > release was not very large to begin with (if I > remember correctly). > I got a sealed copy of the CD from ebay for?0 from an american company .They also had another copy for sale as well . How much are they worth normally ? Paul > Thomas > > --- John Vertical wrote: > > I was just browsing VitN (because of the new bootleg > > section of course) and > > I eventually stumbled across the entry for > > Flashpoint. It says that the CD > > is ultra rare; but what about the LP? I recall > > seeing one at a certain store > > for ?25... is that cheap or not? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ -------------------- This email service is provided by So-net HK. Apply Now to be our members. From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Mon Jun 3, 2002 5:40 am Subject: [tadream] Tangerine Tree II Artwork - please read Hi Folks, I just arrived in my office and just finished reading all my emails that popped in since last Friday. I noticed that there is already artwork for the 2nd 'Tangerine Tree' available for download. There must have been a minor misunderstanding regarding the track indexing, the information I gave to those which are responsible for doing the artwork was only valid for the Tree box which I intend to present to Edgar & Jerome before or after their concert in Berlin (June 15th). What you see right now is only a preliminary version, the final version will have a tracklist which is going to be slightly different regarding track lengths and names. I also would like to mention that it will still take some more time before all 15 discs are ready for distribution, I can't give a precise date but IMO you will have to wait for at least 3-4 more weeks. You can already start to make printouts of 'Label 1', 'Label 2', 'Front' and the complete 'box wrapper' though, but please wait for the final version of all the 'back' covers. I'm sorry for the misunderstanding. Heiko From: 'fozziebear' Date: Mon Jun 3, 2002 8:44 am Subject: Somerset House Ed Morris' message about Orbital mentoned Orbital playing at Somerset House. I checked the official Somerset House site out 'cos I used to work there. Now its greatly improved and briliant venue for concerts. Just the perfect site for TD to bring Inferno to Lonon. Martin K please bring the show to London. David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Mon Jun 3, 2002 12:13 pm Subject: [tree] Tangerine Tree 2 covers available for download >To maintain the best quality the images are quite large, so if you have >a >slow or unstable connection please check the instructions on the >download page for tips. Maff, thanks, when the final versions are available, could you also offer them as one big zip file, for those of us who do have relieable connections ? cheers, klaus From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Mon Jun 3, 2002 1:17 pm Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #271 [ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #271 May 30, 2002. RECAP: On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on Steve Roach and vidnaObmana, who made rare concert appearances together at Projektfest and the Gathering. The Featured CD at midnight was 'Circles & Artifacts' on the Contemporary Harmonic label. The vinyl show starter was from the LP 'Planeten Sit-In' by the Cosmic Jokers on the Ohr label. I played the music of The Ministry of Inside Things who will be performing at the next event in the Soundscapes Concert Series on June 22. Steve Roach and vidnaObmana http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2002/focus02.html#may The Ministry of Inside Things http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic/events.html PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Cosmic Jokers Raumschiff Galaxy Planeten Sit-In (Ohr) Cosmic Jokers Planet of Communication Planeten Sit-In (Ohr) Cosmic Jokers Elektronenzirkus Planeten Sit-In (Ohr) VA [Lascelles] Radio Bristol 258 Slowdesk (Waveform) Brannan Land and Unfamiliar Territory Deep Unknown (brannanlane.com) vidnaObmana Oophoi Ever Changing Horizon Athlit (Hypnos) Ministry of Inside Neutron Flux Live on EMUSIC (Synkronos) Things Zero Ohms and Soundfall Soundfall to the Infinite Brannan Lane (Space for Music) Johnathan Hughs Imatra Trillium (Foundry/Hypnos) 12:00 am Roach & Obmana Circles & Artifacts Circles & Artifacts (Contemporary Harmonic) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll begin a month-long focus on Amir Baghiri. The Featured CD at Midnight will be a disc from 'The Bluebox Collection' on the Arya label. The vinyl show starter will be from the LP 'Paradise' by Robert Schroder on the IC label. I will play the music of the Ministry of Inside Things who will perform at the Soundscapes Concert Series on June 22. Bill billfox@f... http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://www.tadream.net/soundscapes From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Mon Jun 3, 2002 2:24 pm Subject: EMUSIC Monthly Top 20 Report - May WDIY 88.1 FM 'EMUSIC' Top 20 report to New Age Voice and CD Revolutions for May, 2002. Shows #267 to #271; 2-May-2002 to 30-May-2002 Reported in non-ranked order. Compiled by Bill Fox, billfox@f... CONTACT: billfox@f... http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE - LABEL ============================ Boots, Aerts, vd Heijden - Livelines - Groove Brannan Land and vidnaObmana - Deep Unknown - brannanlane.com Chris Short and Vir Unis - The Yellow House - In the Bubble Music Johnathan Hughs - Trillium - Foundry/Hypnos Klangwelt - Weltweit - Spheric Music Mark Jenkins - Sequencer Loops - AMP Oophoi - Athlit - Hypnos Ricochet Musos - Okefenokee Dreams 2001 - Neu Harmony/Quantum Robert Carty - Light Dreaming - Deep Sky Music Robert Rich and Ian Boddy - Outpost - DiN Ron Boots - Liquid Structures in Solid Form - Groove Rudy Adrian and Nick Prosser - Concerts in New Zealand - Quantum Steve Roach and vidnaObmana - Circles & Artifacts - Contemporary Harmonic Steve Roach and vidnaObmana - InnerZone - Projekt Steve Roach and vidnaObmana - Live Archive - Groove Steve Roach and vidnaObmana - Well of Souls - Projekt Tom Heasley - On the Sensastions of Tone - Innova Various Artists - First Decade - Manikin Various Artists - Slowdesk - Waveform Zero Ohms and Brannan Lane - Soundfall to the Infinite - Space for Music From: thomas b Date: Mon Jun 3, 2002 10:52 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Flashpoint LP Sorry, I mean the original CD. Don't know how much it retails for now since it's been rereleased. Thomas --- Paul Lawler wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'thomas b' > To: > Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 10:47 PM > Subject: Re: [tadream] Flashpoint LP > > > > The CD is very rare, mainly because the lions > share of > > them were unplayable in most cd players, and the > > release was not very large to begin with (if I > > remember correctly). > > > > I got a sealed copy of the CD from ebay for£10 from > an american company > .They also had another copy for sale as well . > How much are they worth normally ? > > Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From: 'Brian Stewart' Date: Mon Jun 3, 2002 11:41 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Flashpoint LP Hi I recently got a 1995 release of this from HMV for £5.00. Best Brian _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From: tadream@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue Jun 4, 2002 4:32 am Subject: Reminder - Edgar Froese's Birthday We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Edgar Froese's Birthday Date: Thursday, June 6, 2002 Time: 12:30AM - 1:30AM EDT (GMT-04:00) Edgar Froese born this day, 1944. From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Tue Jun 4, 2002 9:51 am Subject: Want list Hi Folks, please have a look at my new CD want list. In case you would like to make an offer please contact me off-list at 'heiko.heerssen@h...' :-) At the moment my only trading items are near mint CD copies of Edgar Froese's 'Ages', and the original French EMI 'L'affaire Wallraff' disc. the URL: http://www.beepworld3.de/members22/tadreamer/wants.htm Regards Heiko http://www.tangerinedreamer.de Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34225 Re: Want list chris towers Tue 6/4/2002 3 KB From: 'John Marchington' Date: Tue Jun 4, 2002 9:52 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Reminder - Edgar Froese's Birthday We should all wish him Many Happy Returns of the Day. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 4:32 PM Subject: [tadream] Reminder - Edgar Froese's Birthday > > We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. > > Edgar Froese's Birthday > > Date: Thursday, June 6, 2002 > Time: 12:30AM - 1:30AM EDT (GMT-04:00) > > Edgar Froese born this day, 1944. > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34219 Re: Reminder - Edgar Froese's Birthday Heiko Heerssen Tue 6/4/2002 2 KB 34220 Re: Reminder - Edgar Froese's Birthday michaeljean@e... Tue 6/4/2002 3 KB From: Armin Theissen Date: Tue Jun 4, 2002 9:57 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Off-topic: World Cup 2002 hi, It was a really boring match. Almost as boring as Star Wars Episode II or TD's 'Destination Berlin' (the latter to make this less Off Topic) Hope to survive tomorrow as I'm a german living in Dublin. armin > > This is obviously off-topic but can't help from what I just watched earlier: > > Germany vs. Saudi Arabia > > 8 : 0 > > What else can I say except the word 'AWESOME'? > > Jeffrey > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Tue Jun 4, 2002 10:07 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Reminder - Edgar Froese's Birthday > We should all wish him Many Happy Returns of the Day. Dear Martin, now that would be the perfect opportunity for a guestbook relaunch on the official TD website :-) Heiko From: 'michaeljean@e...' Date: Tue Jun 4, 2002 1:07 pm Subject: RE: Re: [tadream] Reminder - Edgar Froese's Birthday One year I think I sent him one of those animated electronic greeting cards...hee hee MJ Original Message: ----------------- From: Heiko Heerssen heiko.heerssen@h... Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 12:07:06 +0200 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [tadream] Reminder - Edgar Froese's Birthday > We should all wish him Many Happy Returns of the Day. Dear Martin, now that would be the perfect opportunity for a guestbook relaunch on the official TD website :-) Heiko ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From: 'njp1971' Date: Tue Jun 4, 2002 7:23 am Subject: krautrock karnival Fellow Tangerine Dream Fans!! free to send this email to anyone who might appreciate it! St David's Ambience Society - The Phoenix Exeter - www.krautrocknet.com proudly present... KRAUTROCK KARNIVAL CIRCLE - APPLIANCE - KUBUSSCHNITT Finnish Space Rockers CIRCLE headline Devon's first Krautrock Karnival on Friday 7th June at The Pheonix Centre, Gandy Street, Exeter. Accompanying the Nordic Noisemeisters will be Mute recording artists APPLIANCE, Berlin School masters KUBUSSCHNITT, plus a host of DJs, vintage Krautrock video footage, stalls and plenty of special guests throughout the evening. More details can be found at www.krautrocknet.com. Exeter Pheonix, 7th June, £8/6, 8pm until late, 01392 667080 Here is some more news! Krautrock Karnival CD available from www.krautrocknet.com (at a very low price) featuring: Damo Suzuki's Network l Circle l Appliance l Kubusschnitt Nebula Drone l Airport 71 l Foreign Spaces l Ken Martin Egg Yum Yum l Abunai! l Cookin' With Kurt l Bluesausageinfant Gliss Bliss added to 'bar ambience': Gliss Bliss, a Brummie collective who have a devotion to keeping the Krautrock flame burning brightly! A sound system that mixes ambient, Krautrock and drum & bass sounds together topped off with an overlay of sythesizers. From: 'Michael Jean' Date: Tue Jun 4, 2002 1:10 pm Subject: B5 This past weekend the SCI-FI channel ran the B5 movies all day.... I noticed there was one dated 2002 called THE LEGEND OF THE RANGERS which featured a score by Chris Franke... (Only one of them did not feature Chris). Was this a one off movie, or the pilot for yet another series? Regards, Michael A. Jean The Brookings Institution 1775 Massachusetts Avenue, N.W. Washington, DC 20036-2188 TEL: (202)-797-6214 FAX: (202)-797-2479 EMAIL: mjean@b... http://www.brookings.edu [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34235 Re: B5 Miguel Farah Wed 6/5/2002 2 KB From: 'Yannick EDOM' Date: Tue Jun 4, 2002 2:13 pm Subject: DREAMWATCHERS' TALES OFFICIALLY OPEN Dreamwatchers' Tales III is open. You can contact me for details. The rule is simple. One (or more) track(s) is needed on CDR audio. Each track must be between 3 and 10 minutes long. The contributors can send me their track directly to my address (see below) with the title and artists name(s). But if you see you can't create your track before october 30th 2002 , please contact me too. The closing date is OCTOBER 30th 2002 Yannick Edom Mirage Créations Champlain B7 A 101 47 Chemin de Pelleport 31500 TOULOUSE FRANCE e-mail : yannick.edom@s... P.S. Here are the contributors who confirmed their participation Olyam Nightbirds Darklion Döktor Strange Fred Yargui Paul Ellis Pergamon Mathhew Stringer Ionic Richard Ford Maybe there will be a Darklion - Olyam track and a Nightbirds - Darklion track From: Armin Theissen Date: Tue Jun 4, 2002 3:07 pm Subject: legend Indeed, it was the TD-soundtrack version of Legend on BBC last Monday. However, I just couldn't watch the movie a second time (not that interesting...) and switched off after 15 min or so. a. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen From: chris towers Date: Tue Jun 4, 2002 3:19 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Want list Hello Heiko, i have 4 or so items for your want list. I think though me being a big a fan as you are am somewhat tight fisted in letting them go. If you want though i will happily do any artwork and copying for you. I know its not the origional, but .....let me know. Chris --- Heiko Heerssen wrote: > Hi Folks, > please have a look at my new CD want list. In case > you would like to > make an offer please contact me off-list at > 'heiko.heerssen@h...' :-) > > At the moment my only trading items are near mint CD > copies of Edgar > Froese's 'Ages', and the original French EMI > 'L'affaire Wallraff' disc. > > the URL: > http://www.beepworld3.de/members22/tadreamer/wants.htm > > Regards > Heiko > http://www.tangerinedreamer.de > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From: 'tei waz' Date: Tue Jun 4, 2002 4:28 pm Subject: [tt1] I've been going thru my Tangerine Tree 1 SHN disks--the ones I've heard sound fantastic, but I do have a few questions--does anyone have tangerine tree SHNs that work for the bilbao and nottingham '76 shows? Could you burn them for me? please contact me off-list. It seems my branch got faulty copies for the bulk of nottingham (the two long tracks) and the 3rd track from bilbao (the 17+ minute track). And the replacements are also faulty. thanks in advance, --T _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34227 Re: [tt1] Administrator for kay-net.com Tue 6/4/2002 3 KB From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Tue Jun 4, 2002 4:36 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] [tt1] I think the volume 5 number 3 has been reported to me to be in error. I am not sure if the second copy I made yet has corrected the problem. So, yes. Dale Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'tei waz' To: ; Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 9:28 AM Subject: [tadream] [tt1] > I've been going thru my Tangerine Tree 1 SHN disks--the ones I've heard > sound fantastic, but I do have a few questions--does anyone have tangerine > tree SHNs that work for the bilbao and nottingham '76 shows? > Could you burn them for me? please contact me off-list. > > It seems my branch got faulty copies for the bulk of nottingham (the two > long tracks) and the 3rd track from bilbao (the 17+ minute track). And the > replacements are also faulty. > > thanks in advance, > > --T > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Ken Beal Date: Tue Jun 4, 2002 5:08 pm Subject: Grovel: TD Tree #1 Howdy... Anybody in the western USA willing to set up a trade or bnp for the first TD tree? TIA Ken My trade list can be found at: From: 'Michael Jean' Date: Tue Jun 4, 2002 5:20 pm Subject: Sonic Images I noticed today that on the official Sonic Images webpage (under Christopher Franke/Audio), there are over 30 mp3s many of which I have not heard before. Has anyone downloaded and compiled these? Apparently they are assorted samples of his various musical styles for potential clients, etc... MJ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34232 Re: Sonic Images Owens, James Tue 6/4/2002 3 KB 34234 Re: Sonic Images Owens, James Tue 6/4/2002 2 KB From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Tue Jun 4, 2002 5:42 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Off-topic: World Cup 2002 Do not compare a soccer match with Star Wars Episode II....................................:-) Soccer is and will always be the most boring game in the world...................... Star Wars kicked ass in 77' and in 02, Star Wars movies still kicks ass................................. And last.................the coolest thing to say is still: May the force be with you.................. It does not sound very good to say..................May the soccer be with you.........=O) May the force be with you............... Jedimaster Obi-Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Armin Theissen' To: Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 11:57 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Off-topic: World Cup 2002 > > hi, > > It was a really boring match. Almost as boring as Star Wars Episode II > or TD's 'Destination Berlin' > > (the latter to make this less Off Topic) > > Hope to survive tomorrow as I'm a german living in Dublin. > > armin > > > > > This is obviously off-topic but can't help from what I just watched earlier: > > > > Germany vs. Saudi Arabia > > > > 8 : 0 > > > > What else can I say except the word 'AWESOME'? > > > > Jeffrey > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 > SUN Microsystems Ireland > > 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' > - Woody Allen > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34285 Re: Off-topic: World Cup 2002 Richard Stockwell Mon 6/10/2002 3 KB From: 'Owens, James' Date: Tue Jun 4, 2002 6:28 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] B5 It was supposed to be a pilot for a new series if it took off. However, I don't watch the listings that close, and I've missed it both times that it has played. Evidently they haven't hyped it as well as I would have thought. Of course I haven't been checking the B5 web pages recently, or I would have known about it, but it still seems like it deserved more hype. James > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Jean [mailto:michaeljean@e...] > Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 8:10 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] B5 > > > This past weekend the SCI-FI channel ran the B5 movies all > day.... I noticed there was one dated 2002 called THE LEGEND > OF THE RANGERS which featured a score by Chris Franke... > (Only one of them did not feature Chris). Was this a one off > movie, or the pilot for yet another series? > > Regards, > > > Michael A. Jean > The Brookings Institution > 1775 Massachusetts Avenue, N.W. > Washington, DC 20036-2188 > > TEL: (202)-797-6214 > FAX: (202)-797-2479 > EMAIL: mjean@b... > http://www.brookings.edu > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Owens, James' Date: Tue Jun 4, 2002 6:59 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Sonic Images Just working off the titles of the downloaded files and cross-referencing IMDB, I've discovered that many of the tracks are cuts from various Franke-scored films. Some of them have words like 'edit' and 'trim' in the title, which indicates they are probably excerpted from longer pieces. Others may just be short cues. Either way, I don't know whether these were actually used in the films, or if they are leftovers. Here's some of the films/shows that appear to have soundtrack excerpts on that page: Lost in the Bermuda Triangle (1998)(TV) Fortress 2 (1999) Murder on the Orient Express (2001)(TV) From Star Wars to Star Wars: The Story of Industrial Light & Magic (1999)(TV) Byeoljubu hero (aka Turtle Hero) (2001) Jack the Dog (2000) '18 Wheels of Justice' (2000) TV Series All that out of the first 20. I haven't downloaded the rest of them (yet). Given that they are listed only by names like 'action adventure' on the links, I'd say your guess about them being demos for prospective clients is correct. James > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Jean [mailto:michaeljean@e...] > > I noticed today that on the official Sonic Images webpage > (under Christopher Franke/Audio), there are over 30 mp3s many > of which I have not heard before. Has anyone downloaded and > compiled these? Apparently they are assorted samples of his > various musical styles for potential clients, etc... From: 'Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz' Date: Tue Jun 4, 2002 7:10 pm Subject: test sorry, just for test Jarek 'Jerry' mailto:jerry@t... Visit my website at: http://www.tangerinedream.pl/ From: 'Owens, James' Date: Tue Jun 4, 2002 7:31 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Sonic Images BTW: There's nearly an hour of music here. The shortest clip is 53 seconds, only one is over 3 minutes, but the average is 1:30. 35 tracks total. A nice little variety if you like that sort of thing. James PS: Thanks for pointing this out MJ! From: Miguel Farah Date: Mon May 6, 2002 11:59 am Subject: Re: [tadream] B5 Michael Jean [04/06/2002 09:13] dijo/said: >This past weekend the SCI-FI channel ran the B5 movies all day.... I noticed there was one dated 2002 called THE LEGEND OF THE RANGERS which featured a score by Chris Franke... (Only one of them did not feature Chris). Was this a one off movie, or the pilot for yet another series? It was the pilot for a new series. Sadly, the ratings for the pilot weren't good enough (it had the misfortune of running against the NBA playoffs...) and a series wasn't approved. From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Jun 5, 2002 7:54 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Off-topic: World Cup 2002 the Cleveland MISL soccer team is named 'The Cleveland Force' too funny, given your post > -----Original Message----- > From: PERGAMON [mailto:pergamon@g...] > Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 1:43 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] Off-topic: World Cup 2002 > > > Do not compare a soccer match with Star Wars Episode > II....................................:-) > > Soccer is and will always be the most boring game in the > world...................... > > Star Wars kicked ass in 77' and in 02, Star Wars movies still > kicks ass................................. > > And last.................the coolest thing to say is still: > > May the force be with you.................. > > It does not sound very good to say..................May the > soccer be with you.........=O) > > May the force be with you............... > Jedimaster Obi-Jan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Armin Theissen' > To: > Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 11:57 AM > Subject: Re: [tadream] Off-topic: World Cup 2002 > > > > > > hi, > > > > It was a really boring match. Almost as boring as Star Wars > Episode II > > or TD's 'Destination Berlin' > > > > (the latter to make this less Off Topic) > > > > Hope to survive tomorrow as I'm a german living in Dublin. > > > > armin > > > > > > > > This is obviously off-topic but can't help from what I > just watched earlier: > > > > > > Germany vs. Saudi Arabia > > > > > > 8 : 0 > > > > > > What else can I say except the word 'AWESOME'? > > > > > > Jeffrey > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 > > SUN Microsystems Ireland > > > > 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' > > - Woody Allen > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Wed Jun 5, 2002 9:14 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Off-topic: World Cup 2002 Hehe.......the founder must be a Star Wars fan........ ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Joe Shoults' > the Cleveland MISL soccer team is named 'The Cleveland Force' > > too funny, given your post > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: PERGAMON [mailto:pergamon@g...] > > Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 1:43 PM > > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [tadream] Off-topic: World Cup 2002 > > > > > > Do not compare a soccer match with Star Wars Episode > > II....................................:-) > > > > Soccer is and will always be the most boring game in the > > world...................... > > > > Star Wars kicked ass in 77' and in 02, Star Wars movies still > > kicks ass................................. > > > > And last.................the coolest thing to say is still: > > > > May the force be with you.................. > > > > It does not sound very good to say..................May the > > soccer be with you.........=O) > > > > May the force be with you............... > > Jedimaster Obi-Jan > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: 'Armin Theissen' > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 11:57 AM > > Subject: Re: [tadream] Off-topic: World Cup 2002 > > > > > > > > > > hi, > > > > > > It was a really boring match. Almost as boring as Star Wars > > Episode II > > > or TD's 'Destination Berlin' > > > > > > (the latter to make this less Off Topic) > > > > > > Hope to survive tomorrow as I'm a german living in Dublin. > > > > > > armin > > > > > > > > > > > This is obviously off-topic but can't help from what I > > just watched earlier: > > > > > > > > Germany vs. Saudi Arabia > > > > > > > > 8 : 0 > > > > > > > > What else can I say except the word 'AWESOME'? > > > > > > > > Jeffrey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 > > > SUN Microsystems Ireland > > > > > > 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' > > > - Woody Allen > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Jun 5, 2002 11:31 pm Subject: legend dvd screenshots http://player.interactual.com/enhanced/recentreleases/screenshots.asp?size=& im=prev&num=1&file=107 From: 'E Neal Frost' Date: Wed Jun 5, 2002 11:23 pm Subject: Re-Hashed Thread Hello All, I know this basic subject has been discussed before, and once before it was even started by me. But I am still having trouble with getting only a few 'greatest' tracks together for a set to give to people to introduce them to the music of TD. So I thought I would try this again, but with a couple stipulations or parameters. #1 would be a 2 disc set (using 2x80 minute discs). Disc 1 would be for the softer songs of TD. Disc 2 would be for the harder songs of TD. Slower/Faster? Easy Listening/Hard Rock? I would prefer to use songs in there entirety, not sections or snippets of songs. If it is a long track then I would like to use the whole track. And I would love to have at least one longer track per disc anyway, because early TD did have long suites. #2 would be a single disc of a more romantic nature. I remember several years ago on this list someone getting married and asking for advice for TD songs to have the couples dance to. If I remember the amount of suggestions that came there must be enough music to fill a single disc. I know people have there own 'introduction' sets they have made so would really appreciate it if people would help me with mine, sticking to these guidelines. I thank you all very much for your help!!! Neal Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34250 Re: Re-Hashed Thread Adele Outland Fri 6/7/2002 2 KB From: 'E Neal Frost' Date: Wed Jun 5, 2002 11:56 pm Subject: Life Imitating Art I had a very surreal experience today at work. I work in the construction industry for a concrete supplier. I do the Quality Control inspections on buildings using our concrete. Sometimes, when there are questions regarding the strength of supplied concrete after it has set we are asked to 'core' a column or wall or floor slab. (The core is then crushed long ways to determine PSI strength) I have seen floor slabs cored several times, but never a column. Today I did. To core a column, the coring engineer will drill a whole in the column and screw in a bolt. The drill base is then bolted to the column using the exposed portion of the bolt. The drill base itself is a long track that the drill will move along as it makes a core (3' in diameter and about 8+' long) into the column. Um......picture the opening sequence to the movie Thief and you will start to understand what I am saying. Which is the point of this e-mail. What I was watching today was so much like the Thief opening sequence, that the construction sounds around me started being replaced with 'Diamond Diary'. I am watching this guy drill into a column and my head is bouncing to the pulse of the DD song. There was even the tap on a screwdriver with a hammer to loosen the core from its base. One of the independent inspectors had to tap me on the shoulder to get me from looking over James Caan's shoulder, back to reality. He kinda looked at me a little strangely; I could just shake my head and tell him he would never understand, 'movie reference' kinda thing. He wants to borrow my copy of Thief. Like I said, for me it was a surreal experience. But much enjoyed. Life Imitating Art? Neal Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34241 Re: Life Imitating Art Administrator for kay-net.com Thu 6/6/2002 4 KB From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Thu Jun 6, 2002 12:11 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Life Imitating Art DD is one of my all times favorites. I can understand the relation to the core. dale Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'E Neal Frost' To: ; Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 4:56 PM Subject: [tadream] Life Imitating Art > I had a very surreal experience today at work. > > I work in the construction industry for a concrete supplier. I do the > Quality Control inspections on buildings using our concrete. Sometimes, when > there are questions regarding the strength of supplied concrete after it has > set we are asked to 'core' a column or wall or floor slab. (The core is then > crushed long ways to determine PSI strength) I have seen floor slabs cored > several times, but never a column. Today I did. > > To core a column, the coring engineer will drill a whole in the column and > screw in a bolt. The drill base is then bolted to the column using the > exposed portion of the bolt. The drill base itself is a long track that the > drill will move along as it makes a core (3' in diameter and about 8+' long) > into the column. > > Um......picture the opening sequence to the movie Thief and you will start > to understand what I am saying. Which is the point of this e-mail. What I > was watching today was so much like the Thief opening sequence, that the > construction sounds around me started being replaced with 'Diamond Diary'. I > am watching this guy drill into a column and my head is bouncing to the > pulse of the DD song. There was even the tap on a screwdriver with a hammer > to loosen the core from its base. One of the independent inspectors had to > tap me on the shoulder to get me from looking over James Caan's shoulder, > back to reality. He kinda looked at me a little strangely; I could just > shake my head and tell him he would never understand, 'movie reference' > kinda thing. He wants to borrow my copy of Thief. > > Like I said, for me it was a surreal experience. But much enjoyed. > > Life Imitating Art? > Neal > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Thu Jun 6, 2002 12:57 am Subject: legend---------What the f**** Who was the idiot that decided the european-DVDrelease of Legend only should contain the european version of the movie. I have just been watching the US-version for the first time and it is awesome. This is what the movie should have been all along. Not this sissy Euro-version. I have allways hated all these lovescenes, singing scenes, etc etc etc in the Euro-version. The US-version have a much darker atmosphere. A lot of great scenes not in the Euro-version. The music of Tangerine Dream adds a completely different dimension to the movie. I have just restarted the movie, I have to watch this again......=O)......... Regards Jan From: 'richter_arne' Date: Thu Jun 6, 2002 12:38 pm Subject: Can someone please record the TD live interview? Hi all, next Wednesday, June 12th, 23:00-01:00 TD will be live studioguests again at Olaf Zimmermann's Electrobeats show on 'Radio Eins', obviously to talk about the upcoming Inferno gig. As I will be on vacation, I hope someone can tape this. Radio Eins can be received in Berlin & Brandenburg via FM and cable, in all of Europe via ADR Satellite and worldwide via Internet livestream. Arne From: 'jon tim' Date: Thu Jun 6, 2002 12:40 pm Subject: Legend what the f..... The two films are different to each other ... why compare..... ?! But..... does not the producer 'endorse' the sissy version and has he not extended the 'sissy' version as the directors cut whilst ignoring the US version ?! Con31 'Message: 7 Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 02:57:04 +0200 From: 'PERGAMON' Subject: legend---------What the f**** Who was the idiot that decided the european-DVDrelease of Legend only should contain the european version of the movie. I have just been watching the US-version for the first time and it is awesome. This is what the movie should have been all along. Not this sissy Euro-version. I have allways hated all these lovescenes, singing scenes, etc etc etc in the Euro-version. The US-version have a much darker atmosphere. A lot of great scenes not in the Euro-version. The music of Tangerine Dream adds a completely different dimension to the movie. I have just restarted the movie, I have to watch this again......=O)......... Regards Jan' _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34247 Re: Legend what the f..... PERGAMON Thu 6/6/2002 4 KB 34248 Re[2]: [tadream] Legend what the f..... Szatmari Pal Thu 6/6/2002 4 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Thu Jun 6, 2002 9:40 pm Subject: Happy Birthday Hello, just wanted to say happy birthday! to Edgar, one of the most important masters of the electronic music. had to hear Epsilon first thing in the morning to celebrate ;) Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34246 Re: Happy Birthday Brian Stewart Thu 6/6/2002 2 KB From: 'Brian Stewart' Date: Thu Jun 6, 2002 3:15 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Happy Birthday Hi My morning listening was Electronic Meditation at @4:30 am this morning. My partner thought I'd gone nuts! Many happy returns B _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Thu Jun 6, 2002 7:28 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Legend what the f..... It is Ridley Scott's right to make what ever version he chooses. I simply stated my opinion regarding what version I liked. You are right about the lack of extending the US-version. I would like to see the whole Meg Mucklebone-scene, Princess and Darkness-scenes in there as well...... Hehe..........if only I knew how to meddle with video, I would make my own version...............just like they did on Star Wars: Phantom menace....... ----- Original Message ----- From: 'jon tim' To: Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 2:40 PM Subject: [tadream] Legend what the f..... > The two films are different to each other ... why compare..... ?! > But..... does not the producer 'endorse' the sissy version and has he not > extended the 'sissy' version as the directors cut whilst ignoring the US > version ?! > > Con31 > > > > > > 'Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 02:57:04 +0200 > From: 'PERGAMON' > Subject: legend---------What the f**** > > Who was the idiot that decided the european-DVDrelease of Legend only should > contain the european version of the movie. > > I have just been watching the US-version for the first time and it is > awesome. > This is what the movie should have been all along. Not this sissy > Euro-version. > I have allways hated all these lovescenes, singing scenes, etc etc etc in > the > Euro-version. The US-version have a much darker atmosphere. A lot of great > scenes not in the Euro-version. The music of Tangerine Dream adds a > completely > different dimension to the movie. > > I have just restarted the movie, I have to watch this > again......=O)......... > > Regards > Jan' > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34248 Re[2]: [tadream] Legend what the f..... Szatmari Pal Thu 6/6/2002 4 KB From: Szatmari Pal Date: Thu Jun 6, 2002 9:53 pm Subject: Re[2]: [tadream] Legend what the f..... Finally I received Ultimate Edition. So far I only had time to watch Disc 2 (US theatrical version and bonuses) but I have been exchanging e-mails with the distributors about the releases and I thought I should comment some of the lines here: P> It is Ridley Scott's right to make what ever version he chooses. P> [...] Sadly enough it was NOT Scott's decision. HIS vision of the film was never let out of the boxes. The 2 production teams crippled the movie. Even now that the so-called 'Director's cut' is released, so much is missing simply because scenes have been lost forever (see 'Fairy dance' etc.) Jack's challenge with the 2-headed giant, the Unicorn effect were rejected because the producers found them too expensive to make... In the 'Making of...' featurette Mia Sara sums it all up very well: she was so sorry to see the final movie because there was SO MUCH MORE left out. And one more thing. As you probably all know it by now, Scott LOVED the Goldsmith score. He thought the classic Goldsmith score expressed his vision in music perfectly (and says that it was a MISTAKE to cut the US version with the - more RnR - TD score, which was thought to be more appealing to younger audiences). As for me, after seeing the US version twice now, I must say I have never seen a movie with such an enchanting, magical score. P> You are right about the lack of extending the US-version. P> I would like to see the whole Meg Mucklebone-scene, Princess and P> Darkness-scenes in there as well...... Hey, shall we ask for a 'RETURN TO LEGEND'...!? ;-)) >> 'Message: 7 >> Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 02:57:04 +0200 >> From: 'PERGAMON' >> Subject: legend---------What the f**** >> >> Who was the idiot that decided the european-DVDrelease of Legend only should >> contain the european version of the movie. The idiot is named FOX Entertainment, and the reason is simple: they have the rights for distributing the European cut of LEGEND only. The real blame is on the nitwit who had this 'wonderful' idea of forming 2 different production teams in the first place... Pal From: Wade Gordon Date: Fri Jun 7, 2002 1:20 pm Subject: Alien seagull sound Hey there, Does anyone out there know the evolution of Chris Franke's alien seagull sound. What I would like is the chronology of the seagull's appearance. Wade __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From: 'Adele Outland' Date: Fri Jun 7, 2002 4:48 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re-Hashed Thread >From: 'E Neal Frost' >softer songs of TD. Tiergarten on LeParc: wonderful piano melody; in fact, pick anything with a piano harder songs of TD. Stratosfear 95 on Tyranny of Beauty: shows how the old favorites can be updated; almost anything from the Dream Mix albums too someone getting married and asking for advice for TD >songs to have the couples dance to. Not sure about the dancing part, but for sheer romanticism try anything except the story track on Rumpelstiltskin. This is all I have time to think of on my lunch hour at work. 8-) Dell All IMO of course. As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From: Morgan Feldon Date: Fri Jun 7, 2002 5:08 pm Subject: Alien Seagull >Wade Gordon asked: > >Hey there, > >Does anyone out there know the evolution of Chris >Franke's alien seagull sound. What I would like is >the chronology of the seagull's appearance. It is a modulated sine wave. The earliest I have heard it is the June 6, 1976 Manchester concert. Chris still uses it today, ie. London Concert and other releases. -Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34253 Re: Alien Seagull Wade Gordon Fri 6/7/2002 3 KB From: 'Owens, James' Date: Fri Jun 7, 2002 5:27 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Alien Seagull I'm pretty sure I've heard it in some Babylon 5 stuff... -----Original Message----- Chris still uses it today, ie. London Concert and other releases. -Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34254 Re: Alien Seagull Miguel Farah Sat 6/8/2002 2 KB From: Wade Gordon Date: Fri Jun 7, 2002 7:26 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Alien Seagull Morgan, Do you know the tracks that Chris used the alien Seagull sound? Wade --- Morgan Feldon wrote: > > >Wade Gordon asked: > > > >Hey there, > > > >Does anyone out there know the evolution of Chris > >Franke's alien seagull sound. What I would like is > >the chronology of the seagull's appearance. > > It is a modulated sine wave. > > The earliest I have heard it is the June 6, 1976 > Manchester concert. > > Chris still uses it today, ie. London Concert and > other releases. > > -Morgan > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From: Miguel Farah Date: Sat Jun 8, 2002 2:02 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Alien Seagull Owens, James [07/06/2002 13:27] dijo/said: >I'm pretty sure I've heard it in some Babylon 5 stuff... It's indeed in both his B5 albums (_Babylon 5_ and _Babylon 5: Messages From Earth_). From: Morgan Feldon Date: Sat Jun 8, 2002 3:36 am Subject: Re: Alien Seagull >Morgan, > >Do you know the tracks that Chris used the alien Seagull sound? > >Wade Every 1970-1978 concert had at least one track which were never played the same way twice. If you released a boxed set of 20 discs from 1976, you would have but scratched the surface of all the musical ideas invented that year. I don't know if you can give all these tracks names really (although I think Al is going to try :)). The most obvious occurence of the Alien Seagull sound is the 'Dominion' encore from the fall 82 shows, including the Logos show. Chris must have pressed that button 40 times during this song. -Morgan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sat Jun 8, 2002 3:59 am Subject: about DWT2 Hello everyone, I'm giving a first spin at the DWT2 copy I've just got (thanks Colin!)- I've heard the first CD and quickly passed through most of the tracks in cd2, now properly listening to CD2 simultaneously with the folks at #tadream. I have to say, great quality works! And this is much more sequenced than the first DWT. I like that, but I also liked the diversity of the first one. One thing I didn't like much was the intro... It was better than the DWT1 intro, and I like the idea of having an intro, but I think this format of track bits with sound sculpture etc is rather uninteresting... maybe the best way would be selecting an 'appropriate intro track' (whatever that means) from the collection of contributions... After a few minutes in the intro I was a bit bored and eager to listen to the works (I preferred not to listen to the previews), so I had to skip to the next track. I have the impression the overall quality of this edition is better than the first one, and I'm happy to have been a part of this project (and the first), among such lot of talented musicians, with my contribution (which was an important step in my own musical development, btw, specially since Drifting was my first track with overdubs). I'm not going to comment about each track, I think someone's already done that; and I'm not very good at that anyway. But this is a great collection indeed. Many thanks to the musicians, Yannick, and TD for the inspiration! btw, Yannick, please put my name in that list for DWT3! I'm already sketching ideas in my mind... best regards GJ Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... From: 'rbicon' Date: Sat Jun 8, 2002 11:22 am Subject: Air Sculpture's Glimpse Hi,i'm looking for Air Sculpture's track 'Glimpse'.Mow i know that it's available for free on MP3.com, but for some curious reason, i can't download it correctly. I do have it also on the Amazonian EP,but the again, the track is broken. I guess it's that... being out of luck:)) So if someone can help, contact me. I do have lot of stuff to trade. http://pages.infinit.net/musicfan The place for Electronic Music bootlegs We can use my ftp or doing it by mail. Sylvain from Québec n/p:Danger in Dream's Entrance (I just can get enough of this one,outstanding work) From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sat Jun 8, 2002 3:45 pm Subject: Poland Extracts for trade Hello everyone, I've finally got the 1996 Poland remaster, so I don't need my old Extracts from Poland anymore (Jive Electro Chip 22, black and white cover). If anyone is interested in it, maybe we can arrange a trade. It's in almost perfect conditions; 95% I would say. see ya GJ Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... From: 'tangram80' Date: Sun Jun 9, 2002 6:48 am Subject: Looking for member 'saykwensor' Hello I am looking for member 'saykwensor'. If you see this message, please contact me off-list at tangram80@y... Thanks. Rgds Jeffrey From: 'omegatransfinito' Date: Sun Jun 9, 2002 8:54 am Subject: various... Hello again. I'm back after a week of forest work on our summer cottage, and now I've browsed through all these 100+n messages... 1)Someone asked about a few collection disks... I remember that when the romantic matter was discussed the last time, numerous tracks from Heartbreakers and two (Crystal Voice and Charly the Kid) from Firestarter were suggested. I'd include absolutely Song of the Whale part 2 and Long Island Sunset for a softer set, and why not other Melrose Years stuff as well. (but not necessarily Ghazal and Cool at Heart) On the heavier side - would Cloudburst Flight suit? Or what kind of 'heavier' stuff? Rock-heavy, techno-heavy or space-heavy? Some other suggestions: -Cool Breeze of Brighton -Horizon -Fly & Collision of Comas Sola -Sphinx Lightning (first half) -Homeless -Central Park -Ultima Thule part 1 -something from Sorcerer 2) What would be the last TD-appearence of Alien Seagull? Yellowstone Park? And when Morgan said --- I don't know if you can give all these tracks names really (although I think Al is going to try :)) --- Is there a track naming process going on? I'd like to participate.. I think I could invent a few dozen good names more... 3) The Tree covers: If we do later get names for the tracks yet untitled, is there any change to add them later? I mean, most of the 70s material is untitled; the tracks for vol.4 did get named, and volumes 1 and 8 too, afterwards. Could we start naming untitled future Tree tracks now, so when the final covers are released, they would have something more imaginative than just 'Part One' as track titles. And I'm not trying to be mean, but - why has all of the Tree cover art been abstract so far? John Vertical np: Monolight Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34262 Re: various... Wade Gordon Sun 6/9/2002 4 KB 34264 abstract TT covers Re: [tadream] various... Gustavo Jobim Sun 6/9/2002 2 KB From: 'gmroger' Date: Sun Jun 9, 2002 3:27 pm Subject: Review of Dreamwatchers' Tales 3 - Visions of the Watchgirl' As promised (goodness knows how long ago), here's my assessment of the new DWT project. As I mentioned before, I really got a good listen to this set whilst holidaying in Fuerteventura. However, after having just a few listens beforehand, I had to decide what would go onto my 90-minute tape and which would lose out. A month later, those pieces that made it still remain my favourite. Even though DWT2 is certainly better than its predecessor, there are some pieces that really don't work for me. But if you take the `You get what you pay for' argument, then DWT2 is an absolute bargain. Some really cracking tracks – and all for the price of postage and a trade only! Let's kick off with the sleeve – and a beautiful piece of work it is too. Lovely blue moon, blue sky and the watchgirl on the cover. My only (very minor) quibble is the CD spine – with white lettering on a black background –, which seems out of context with the rest of the artwork - its layout is exactly the same as DWT1. Perhaps a blue background would have been more appropriate. So, let's start with the first disc... DREAMWATCHERS `Fable' – as with the previous set, this is a kind of introduction to all the pieces found on the two discs accompanied by a background largely taken from Darklion's own solo contribution. It didn't really work on DWT1 – but thankfully on this set it is considerably shorter, and less of an annoyance. Should DWT3 have enough artists and music contributing, it might be wise to leave out this kind of introductory track. So after 5.14 we launch into what is described in the sleeve notes as a `conceptual project'. Certainly there appears to be some kind of consistency with the pieces, but more on those later. GILLE HEMERY kicks off with `contact' – and at 3.23, one of the shortest tracks on the set – a brilliant piece, building up the action slowly and then reaching a climax that's oh so short – but where else could this piece go? It's compact; it's busy, and a brilliant opening. PERMAGON Vs BONDEE SYSTEM's `Cloud of the Unknowing' also has a busy feel about it, kind of reminding me of TD during their `White Eagle/Hyperborea' era. But it's nothing remarkable – it does its job, nothing more, nothing less. This next one grows on you, but it took its time with me – and now I think it's close to being the best track on the set. OLIVIER BRAND's `Gladiators' starts quite slowly, with nothing much happening until we get around the four-minute mark – and then the action begins! Wonderful middle section and even the end few minutes are wonderfully moody and atmospheric. It may be 11.50 in length, but I like this track a lot. On my last review of DWT1 I wasn't terribly keen on DARKLION's solo contribution, as he likes to explore the area of EM I dislike – dance, drum and bass. Me, I like a tune. But `Battlefield' is better, although a little repetitive – perhaps it could have been a little shorter. I'm afraid NIGHTBIRDS' `Electric Post-Rock Ensemble' is by far the weakest. It starts off promisingly with a few atmospherics, but afterwards settles down for the next 13 minutes on an endless synth repetition. Really, this should have been cut to three or at least given a bit of variety – after all, if Gilles Hemery can cram so much action in just three minutes, surely the group members could have come up collectively with something better. Perhaps it could have been shorter, but as Yannick has acknowledged, there weren't as many pieces to fill up two discs, so the ten-minute barrier was broken twice. One worked, but this one didn't. Thankfully things improve with PAUL ELLIS & NEMESIS' `Untitled' (I suspect one thing that irritates most EM musicians is trying to think up damn titles to their pieces), and I love the start, with the very moody sci-fi-ish synth in the background, which quickly disappears when the main body of the piece kicks in, which is a shame really... The last track on disc 2 is another example of what one can do in the space of three minutes (and eleven seconds). JAMES OWENS' `Leonids' kicks off with a lovely piano (which reminded me of TD, as they love to start some of their classic pieces with a piano) and then moves into a lovely memorable organ/synth and piano. And then it's all over... Disc 2 starts off with GUSTAVO JOBIM, whom I criticised in the last review for coming up with `The Wedding March' (Gustavo himself readily admitted this was put together in a hurry and is not representative of what he can do), and goes a long way to redeeming himself with `Drifting', an aptly-titled experimental piece. There's however only the mere hint of melody here, but it is variable and promises much for DWT3... IONIC's `Drifting the Comet V & VI' is a tricky one to assess. The melody line is beautiful enough, but perhaps is a little too long for my liking, but it's innocuous enough, uncontroversial and pretty atmospheric and will play quite happily in the background without the need to emit it in the programming. Okay, I like it... Now this is the best track on the two sets, mainly because for me it reminds me of my holiday. OLYAM's `Parisian Greetings' is simply beautiful & exquisite - excellently arranged, produced, and varied, and I simply love the `harp' towards the end. This is perhaps the closest to a `song' track, and at 4.48 it's a perfect length. It sounds as though it's had plenty of thought put in, and it's the winning track for me – just shading out `Gladiators'... DOKTOR STRANGE, another dance music fan, kicks off `Red Ants Love Migration Freq.' promisingly enough, but then goes into something which, for me was too repetitious – not as disappointing as `Nightbirds' (at least it's only 8.26), but again, too long. I like a tune... DAVE BREWER's `Dreamcatcher' is a nice piece, but nothing more, although I do like the chord changes. I think this would be a brilliant piece if it were in fact three minutes shorter... Now last time DARKLION & OLYAM paired together on DWT1, the former's influence was far stronger, with a repetitive middle section going on for rather a long time, but finishing excellently. Now, I don't know whose influence it was this time, but `The Space Station' is a complete surprise, almost jazz-like in feel. If I had to criticise it, it would be to say that it sounds like one of the tracks from those copyright-free CD's you can buy if you want to add music to your videos... In many ways I was quite surprised to see MARK JENKINS making a contribution to DWT2 - after all, he is a musician of note in EM. And he doesn't disappoint either, with `The Stealing of the Five Thousands' always busy, split into three sections, and very enjoyable. Certainly in my top five favourites... I had to do a check when I first started listening to FRED YARGUI's `Virage Bleu'. When I put this onto my holiday tape, I was unaware that this is in fact two tracks under the one title – well, that's how it seemed to me. But by splitting his 6.38 into two shorter pieces, he comes up with the goods with two very enjoyable lively tracks. The second part, a particularly jolly piece, also reminds me of my holiday... The final, exclusive DTS track was perhaps the biggest surprise of all. Having heard DARKLION & OLYAM's previous contributions, I wondered what they would come up with which would relate to the rather serious subject matter chosen. `Im [sic] memoriam' does it justice. It's a slow, moody piece, and my wife loves the guitar (and I love the flute). It kind of reminded me of Mark Shreeve's `The Stand'. These boys have proved they can come up with the goods together, and this one also comes into my top five. So there we go – I really enjoy playing these CD's on a regular basis, and am really surprised at the talent that's out there. Having a theme also works. Once again, we must thank Yannick Edom, Joel Mullen, Darklion, Tom Richmond and Joe Shoults, and all the musicians concerned for all being there to put this fabulous project together. Roll on DWT3!! Roger Hartopp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34302 Re: Review of Dreamwatchers' Tales 3 - Visions of Owens, James Tue 6/11/2002 3 KB 34303 DWT 2 Equipment used jerome Wed 6/12/2002 2 KB From: Wade Gordon Date: Sun Jun 9, 2002 5:07 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] various... Actually, the Gazal (radio edit) is a whole lot better than the album version. This is also the same version performed live. It is the one with the harpiscord sound. Cheers, Wade --- omegatransfinito wrote: > Hello again. I'm back after a week of forest work on > our summer > cottage, and now I've browsed through all these > 100+n > messages... > > 1)Someone asked about a few collection disks... > I remember that when the romantic matter was > discussed the > last time, numerous tracks from Heartbreakers and > two (Crystal > Voice and Charly the Kid) from Firestarter were > suggested. I'd > include absolutely Song of the Whale part 2 and Long > Island > Sunset for a softer set, and why not other Melrose > Years stuff as > well. (but not necessarily Ghazal and Cool at > Heart) > > On the heavier side - would Cloudburst Flight suit? > Or what kind > of 'heavier' stuff? Rock-heavy, techno-heavy or > space-heavy? > Some other suggestions: > -Cool Breeze of Brighton > -Horizon > -Fly & Collision of Comas Sola > -Sphinx Lightning (first half) > -Homeless > -Central Park > -Ultima Thule part 1 > -something from Sorcerer > > 2) What would be the last TD-appearence of Alien > Seagull? > Yellowstone Park? > And when Morgan said > --- > I don't know if you can give all these tracks names > really > (although I think Al is going to try :)) > --- > Is there a track naming process going on? I'd like > to participate.. I > think I could invent a few dozen good names more... > > 3) The Tree covers: If we do later get names for the > tracks yet > untitled, is there any change to add them later? I > mean, most of > the 70s material is untitled; the tracks for vol.4 > did get named, > and volumes 1 and 8 too, afterwards. Could we start > naming > untitled future Tree tracks now, so when the final > covers are > released, they would have something more imaginative > than just > 'Part One' as track titles. > And I'm not trying to be mean, but - why has all of > the Tree cover > art been abstract so far? > > John Vertical > np: Monolight > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From: Antonio Nunes Date: Sun Jun 9, 2002 5:03 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Alien Seagull Morgan Feldon wrote: > > The earliest I have heard it is the June 6, 1976 Manchester concert. I'm listening to the September 23, 1975 Reims concert, and the alien seagull sound is there too. Antonio NEW e_mail: hyperborean 'at' mail 'dot' telepac 'dot' pt From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sun Jun 9, 2002 7:19 pm Subject: abstract TT covers Re: [tadream] various... Well, for me TD's music, specially the 70s music, specially in those concerts, is very abstract. And I like abstract art, so I tried to create something abstract in my covers to serve as a companion to the music, a visual impression of the music. I don't know if the other cover artists feel the same way. GJ np. The arrival of the spaceship (from Eloy Fritsch's Cyberspace. Eloy is a brazilian elec. musician very influenced by Vangelis... very nice music he makes.) >And I'm not trying to be mean, but - why has all of the Tree cover >art been abstract so far? Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Mon Jun 10, 2002 4:05 am Subject: TD t-shirts I have the following 2 TD t-shirts for sale if anyone on the list is interested - 1. Tangerine Dream, 'Tyger' Brazilian fan club t-shirt, off-white colour, size says XL, but it seems an average adult size to me. The front has the chest emblem 'Tangerine Dream, Tiger' (mispelled!), while the back has the close up of the tiger's face in a dark colour. Even though I have never worn the shirt, it was already second hand when I bought it 15 years ago, and so is not in brand new condition. price £7 2. Tangerine Dream, 'Stratosfear', white, size says XL, but just looks like a large to me. Front has 9' x 9' colour reproduction of the CD front cover, while the back reads 'Tangerine Dream, Stratosfear'. This was new when I bought it, and it has never been worn. Therefore, it has never been washed, meaning the graphics have not faded at all, and are as good as the day they were printed. Shirt still looks brand new. £10 Postage will be free in the UK, but I will need to ask for a little bit extra for postage abroad. Please contact me privately if you are interested. Best to everyone, - Chris chris@o... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Morgan Feldon Date: Sun Jun 9, 2002 8:39 pm Subject: TD Tree Artwork >And I'm not trying to be mean, but - why has all of the Tree cover >art been abstract so far? What the artists really need is someone to loan them the 1982 Australia and 1986 North America + Europe tourbooks (and any other materials with high-resolution photos of the band). I do think it's swung too far into the balance of abstractism, when there are a lot of nice high-resolution photos available. -Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34268 Re: TD Tree Artwork Matthew Sawyer Sun 6/9/2002 3 KB 34270 Re: TD Tree Artwork Gustavo Jobim Mon 6/10/2002 3 KB 34269 Re: TD Tree Artwork Admin Sun 6/9/2002 3 KB 34278 Re: TD Tree Artwork Synthhtnys@a... Mon 6/10/2002 2 KB 34280 Re: TD Tree Artwork Admin Mon 6/10/2002 2 KB From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Sun Jun 9, 2002 8:25 pm Subject: Re: abstract TT covers Re: [tadream] various... From: 'Gustavo Jobim' > Well, for me TD's music, specially the 70s music, specially in those concerts, is very abstract. And I like abstract art, so I tried to create something abstract in my covers to serve as a companion to the music, a visual impression of the music. > > I don't know if the other cover artists feel the same way. I don't find our covers any more abstract than the official 70's and 80's ones. I like a nice eye catching graphic on the front, and a concert photo from the tour on the back and on the disc label. Unfortunately with the three of them on stage and Chris in the middle, he always manages to get his head cut out in the hole in the middle. Maff _______________________________________________ www.tachyon-tv.co.uk www.maff.da.ru www.mst3uk.com From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Sun Jun 9, 2002 8:53 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD Tree Artwork From: 'Morgan Feldon' > I do think it's swung too far into the balance of abstractism, > when there are a lot of nice high-resolution photos available. I put out a request when we started Tree 1 for photos, and didn't get any response at all. So I used the best ones I could find on the web and dust down in Photoshop. After Tree 1 was finished a number of people told me I really should use less photos and more graphics next time... :-/ Anyone out there with nice high-res photos, don't be shy, send them my way and we'll use them in Tree 3. Maff _______________________________________________ www.tachyon-tv.co.uk www.maff.da.ru www.mst3uk.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34270 Re: TD Tree Artwork Gustavo Jobim Mon 6/10/2002 3 KB From: 'Admin' Date: Sun Jun 9, 2002 9:52 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD Tree Artwork Now why would anyone try to tell a artiest how to do art? Next I expect to see some guide lines on how to make music. Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Matthew Sawyer' To: Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2002 1:53 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] TD Tree Artwork > From: 'Morgan Feldon' > > > > > I do think it's swung too far into the balance of abstractism, > > when there are a lot of nice high-resolution photos available. > > > I put out a request when we started Tree 1 for photos, and didn't get any > response at all. So I used the best ones I could find on the web and dust > down in Photoshop. After Tree 1 was finished a number of people told me I > really should use less photos and more graphics next time... :-/ > > Anyone out there with nice high-res photos, don't be shy, send them my way > and we'll use them in Tree 3. > > > Maff > _______________________________________________ > www.tachyon-tv.co.uk www.maff.da.ru > www.mst3uk.com > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Mon Jun 10, 2002 2:02 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TD Tree Artwork I prefer original graphics than photos, but I do like to see such nice photos like we've had so far. I wanted to get a photo of the Paris Bataclan to use it as a front or back cover, but couldn't find any on the net, and I didn't have time to ask here. I think one interesting idea is to mix artwork with photos, like in TT5 and TT7. But I would prefer to see more artwork than photos. I think that makes the thing more interesting, more unique. We can see photos on books and jpgs. Where else will we be able to look at those so nice and interesting graphic creations? Only on the TT. Maff said: >I put out a request when we started Tree 1 for photos, and didn't get any >response at all. So I used the best ones I could find on the web and dust >down in Photoshop. After Tree 1 was finished a number of people told me I >really should use less photos and more graphics next time... :-/ Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... From: Mark Filipak Date: Mon Jun 10, 2002 2:18 am Subject: The Most Beautiful Rock for Peace Hi All! About this show =============== Some nice pix are here: http://www.astercity.net/~sulas/TangerineDreamWarszawa /KonferencjaPrasowa/konferencjaprasowa.html (...some assembly required for the line above...) About WeinerSalsa ================= Two of the ladies in the show, Jacqueline and Iris, are in the band WeinerSalsa. You can get more information and pictures here: http://www.evolucion.com/wienersalsa/musikerin.html Their full names are: Jacqueline Hechavarria Carbonell, and Iris Claudia Alexandra Martina Antonia Kulterer. About Iris ========== I wrote to Iris and received a reply (...eat your hearts out, guys...). ;^) She writes that 'Iris Camaa' is her stage name. 'Camma' is based on the initials of her middle names. 'Kulterer' is her real, family name. In addition to the Warsaw show, Iris has also performed with TD in the 'Inferno' show at Bernau and the most recent Shepherd's Bush show in London, and she will appear in the upcoming Berlin 'Inferno' show as well. I have tried to coax Iris into posting her thoughts to the list, either through me or through Joe or by posting directly. Let's hope... Ciao -- Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34272 Re: The Most Beautiful Rock for Peace Admin Mon 6/10/2002 4 KB From: 'Admin' Date: Mon Jun 10, 2002 2:21 am Subject: Re: [tadream] The Most Beautiful Rock for Peace Good job Mark. dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Mark Filipak' To: 'tadream' Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2002 7:18 PM Subject: [tadream] The Most Beautiful Rock for Peace > Hi All! > > About this show > =============== > Some nice pix are here: > > http://www.astercity.net/~sulas/TangerineDreamWarszawa > /KonferencjaPrasowa/konferencjaprasowa.html > > (...some assembly required for the line above...) > > About WeinerSalsa > ================= > Two of the ladies in the show, Jacqueline and Iris, are in the band > WeinerSalsa. You can get more information and pictures here: > > http://www.evolucion.com/wienersalsa/musikerin.html > > Their full names are: > > Jacqueline Hechavarria Carbonell, and > > Iris Claudia Alexandra Martina Antonia Kulterer. > > About Iris > ========== > I wrote to Iris and received a reply (...eat your hearts out, guys...). > ;^) > > She writes that 'Iris Camaa' is her stage name. 'Camma' is based on the > initials of her middle names. 'Kulterer' is her real, family name. > > In addition to the Warsaw show, Iris has also performed with TD in the > 'Inferno' show at Bernau and the most recent Shepherd's Bush show in > London, and she will appear in the upcoming Berlin 'Inferno' show as > well. > > I have tried to coax Iris into posting her thoughts to the list, either > through me or through Joe or by posting directly. Let's hope... > > Ciao -- Mark > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Admin' Date: Mon Jun 10, 2002 2:27 am Subject: A5k This is aimed at the hardware heads and users who make music. I found my Old Mac, stole the CD Rom, Stole my SCSI cable on my PC, hooked it all up to the A5k. It works. I am now looking for samples I can use that are in line with TD. Any help would be great. If you know anything about the A5k that will help me (tips to hammer me in the head suggestions) that will be cool too. Off list of course as Joe will might say, just how is this related... (The cd rom might not ever have seen the light of day again till the A5k came around. The MAC still is in the box. This time it was 3 years since last power applied.) Dale From: Mark Filipak Date: Mon Jun 10, 2002 3:06 am Subject: More... Most Beautiful Rock for Peace Hi All! About this show =============== More nice pix from our friends in Poland (this time, of the show itself): http://www.astercity.net/~sulas/TangerineDreamWarszawa /KoncertTDwWarszawie/koncerttdwwarszawie.html (...some assembly required for the line above...) BTW, 'WeinerSalsa' should be 'WienerSalsa'. Sorry... Ciao -- Mark From: Mark Filipak Date: Mon Jun 10, 2002 3:30 am Subject: Tatort -- Final Schimanski Episode Hi All! (...I'm going to try this again...) The final Schimanski episode was 'Der Fall Schimanski', originally broadcast on 29 Dec 1991. Why is this important? ====================== Paul Griesbach tells me that he had a session with TD over New Years 1990/91 during which music was composed and recorded for use in the final Schimanski episode. Why is this important? ====================== That episode has original TD music that we haven't heard. Would any of our German friends care to check this out? Is a VCR of this episode available -- maybe at a library? Is it going to be rebroadcast, as the various 'Tatort' episodes sometimes are? Ciao -- Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34277 Tatort -- Final Schimanski Episode Mark Filipak Mon 6/10/2002 2 KB 34281 Re: Tatort -- Final Schimanski Episode Armin Theissen Mon 6/10/2002 4 KB 34294 Re: Tatort -- Final Schimanski Episode Mark Filipak Tue 6/11/2002 5 KB 34296 Re: Tatort -- Final Schimanski Episode Armin Theissen Tue 6/11/2002 6 KB 34345 Re: Tatort -- Final Schimanski Episode Klaus Beschorner Sat 6/15/2002 3 KB 34346 Re: Tatort -- Final Schimanski Episode Mark Filipak Sat 6/15/2002 3 KB From: Morgan Feldon Date: Mon Jun 10, 2002 3:31 am Subject: Artists >Now why would anyone try to tell a artiest how to do art? Next I expect to >see some guide lines on how to make music. > >Dale I am a graphic designer. -Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34279 Re: Artists Admin Mon 6/10/2002 2 KB From: Mark Filipak Date: Mon Jun 10, 2002 3:34 am Subject: Tatort -- Final Schimanski Episode One more thing.... I sent 'One Night in Medina' and 'I Just Want to Rule My Own Life Without You', from the 'Bis zum Hals im Dreck' episode, to Paul and he says that is NOT what he worked on with Edgar, Linda, and Jerome over that New Years. Ciao -- Mark From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Mon Jun 10, 2002 5:52 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TD Tree Artwork I think the tree artwork has been outstanding. Consider me a vote for carrying on in this style! Poly From: 'Admin' Date: Mon Jun 10, 2002 7:25 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Artists ;-) dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Morgan Feldon' To: Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2002 8:31 PM Subject: [tadream] Artists > > >Now why would anyone try to tell a artiest how to do art? Next I expect to > >see some guide lines on how to make music. > > > >Dale > > I am a graphic designer. > > -Morgan From: 'Admin' Date: Mon Jun 10, 2002 7:26 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TD Tree Artwork same here I am very please with the hard work put forth on these covers. dale ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2002 10:52 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] TD Tree Artwork > I think the tree artwork has been outstanding. > Consider me a vote for carrying on in this style! > Poly From: Armin Theissen Date: Mon Jun 10, 2002 11:10 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Tatort -- Final Schimanski Episode what? I used to be somewhat of a fan of the Schimanski thread (I even wore one of these jackets... #-) ) in the Tatort series, and was of course watching this final episode. And I don't think there was any TD music in there! I'm even pretty sure, because after the episode 'Das Maedchen auf der Treppe' I used to listen very carefully. armin > > Hi All! > > (...I'm going to try this again...) > > The final Schimanski episode was 'Der Fall Schimanski', originally > broadcast on 29 Dec 1991. > > Why is this important? > ====================== > Paul Griesbach tells me that he had a session with TD over New Years > 1990/91 during which music was composed and recorded for use in the final > Schimanski episode. > > Why is this important? > ====================== > That episode has original TD music that we haven't heard. > > > Would any of our German friends care to check this out? Is a VCR of this > episode available -- maybe at a library? Is it going to be rebroadcast, > as the various 'Tatort' episodes sometimes are? > > Ciao -- Mark > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Mon Jun 10, 2002 2:26 pm Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #272 [ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #272 June 6, 2002. RECAP: On this show, I began a month-long focus on Amir Baghiri, who creates ambient music laced with tribal, world, and industrial influences. The Featured CD at midnight was 'City,' the first disc from 'The Bluebox Collection' on the Arya label. The vinyl show starter was from the LP 'Paradise' by Robert Scroder on the IC label. I played the music of The Ministry of Inside Things who will be performing at the next event in the Soundscapes Concert Series on June 22. Details can be seen on the Events page. Amir Baghiri http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2002/focus02.html#jun Ministry of Inside Things http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic/events.html PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Robert Scroder Timeless Paradise (IC) Martin, Klamt, Rownd Canyon Voices Convergence (Spotted Peccary) Ministry of Inside The Edge of the Live at the Phila. Museum Things Wilderness (Synkronos) Robert Rich Lapis Shambala (Space for Music) Max Corbacho Magenta Beauty The Resonant Memory of Earth (Space for Music) Alhedion Part III Kosmische Spuren Eines Lebens (Invisible Shadows) Amir Baghiri Entrance City (Arya) 12:00 am Amir Baghiri Bye or Die City (Arya) Amir Baghiri Escalator to Nowhere City (Arya) Amir Baghiri Creeping Emptiness City (Arya) Over the Street Amir Baghiri www.pace-maker City (Arya) Amir Baghiri Black Friday City (Arya) Amir Baghiri Fading Lights City (Arya) Amir Baghiri Mandala of a City City (Arya) Amir Baghiri Moon Cars City (Arya) Amir Baghiri Dream Your Own Dreams City (Arya) Amir Baghiri Requiem for a God City (Arya) Amir Baghiri Stoned Mother City (Arya) Amir Baghiri Lizzy Loves Dad City (Arya) Amir Baghiri Exit City (Arya) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Amir Baghiri. The Featured CD at Midnight will be 'Live,' the second disc from 'The Bluebox Collection' on the Arya label. The vinyl show starter will be from the LP 'Departure from the Northern Wasteland' by Michael Hoenig on the Kuckuck label. I will play the music of the Ministry of Inside Things who will perform at the Soundscapes Concert Series on June 22. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic Host of the AM/FM show on WMUH 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. Email me before submiting music for airplay consideration. billfox@f... Radio Station Home Pages: http://wdiyfm.org http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://www.tadream.net/soundscapes From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Mon Jun 10, 2002 9:48 pm Subject: DWT 1 CD1 Hello everyone... Funny. I was reorganizing (doesthatwordexist?) my CD shelves - no space for more cds.. oh well.. - and I then noticed, it seems my CD1 of the first Dreamwatchers' Tales has simply disappeared. Can anyone be kind enough to make a copy of it for me? I have some things that may be of interest for a trade, if necessary... but not original CDs, since those are really hard to get and usually quite expensive... thanks in advance, Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34297 Re: DWT 1 CD1 Gustavo Jobim Tue 6/11/2002 2 KB From: 'zlika1' Date: Fri Jun 7, 2002 8:05 am Subject: Collection privée - Tangerine Dream Salut, En parcourant le WEB j'ai pu remarquer que les sites français consacrés à TD étaient peu nombreux ... Une visite sur http://perso.wanadoo.fr/pedro.machado/ s'impose dés lors. ---------------- Hi, There is not a lot of french sites about TD. So let's have a look at : http://perso.wanadoo.fr/pedro.machado/ From: 'Richard Stockwell' Date: Wed Jun 5, 2002 5:56 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Off-topic: World Cup 2002 >> Soccer is and will always be the most boring game in the world...................... Sorry I disagree. Rugby has to be the MOST boring game in the world. Sometimes it can take a game more than 30 minutes to progress just 5 metres down the field. Regards Richard Cranium Music http://www.cranium.co.nz From: Liondream@a... Date: Mon Jun 10, 2002 4:21 pm Subject: graphic artists Well, there you go then!!! Perhaps you can do some of the covers for the upcoming project. :-) << Subject: Artists >Now why would anyone try to tell a artiest how to do art? Next I expect to >see some guide lines on how to make music. > >Dale I am a graphic designer. -Morgan>>> Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34288 Re: graphic artists atye@a... Mon 6/10/2002 2 KB 34289 Re: graphic artists Administrator for kay-net.com Mon 6/10/2002 3 KB From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Mon Jun 10, 2002 4:25 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Off-topic: World Cup 2002 Golf and some baseball games have to be near the top of this list. I tell you tennis falls within this too. dale Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Richard Stockwell' To: Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 10:56 PM Subject: RE: [tadream] Off-topic: World Cup 2002 > >> Soccer is and will always be the most boring game in the > world...................... > > Sorry I disagree. Rugby has to be the MOST boring game in the world. > Sometimes it can take a game more than 30 minutes to progress just 5 metres > down the field. > > Regards > > Richard > Cranium Music > http://www.cranium.co.nz > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: atye@a... Date: Mon Jun 10, 2002 4:27 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] graphic artists In a message dated 6/10/2002 12:21:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Liondream@a... writes: > Well, there you go then!!! Perhaps you can do some of the covers for the > upcoming project. > > :-) > Oh, you've done it now !!!! haha ;-) ATYE [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Mon Jun 10, 2002 5:04 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] graphic artists hehehe yes the lid to the box has open ;-) dale Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 9:27 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] graphic artists > In a message dated 6/10/2002 12:21:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > Liondream@a... writes: > > > > Well, there you go then!!! Perhaps you can do some of the covers for the > > upcoming project. > > > > :-) > > > > Oh, you've done it now !!!! > haha > > ;-) > ATYE > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: ampmusic Date: Mon Jun 10, 2002 6:35 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1372 > Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2002 15:27:01 -0000 > From: 'gmroger' > Subject: Review of Dreamwatchers' Tales 3 - Visions of the Watchgirl' > > As promised (goodness knows how long ago), here's my assessment of > the new DWT project... > > In many ways I was quite surprised to see MARK JENKINS making a > contribution to DWT2 - after all, he is a musician of note in EM. And > he doesn't disappoint either, with `The Stealing of the Five > Thousands' always busy, split into three sections, and very > enjoyable. Certainly in my top five favourites... > > Roger Hartopp Hi Roger, Many thanks for your kind comments about my piece for 'Dreamwatchers Tales 2'. I was very pleased to be able to record a track for the album while trying out a new recording setup for my latest CD 'Sequencer Loops'. It was a very useful exercise - I wanted to generate some of the feeling of the mid-period of Tangerine Dream and practice balancing synths and sequencers against more rock-oriented drums and guitars, and on 'The Stealing of the Five Thousand' I hope you can hear little touches of 'Cyclone', 'Tangram', 'Force Majeure' and the 1980 concerts, up to around the period of 'Optical Race'. The album work went off in a slightly different direction - it still has plenty of TD elements, but more in common with Ashra and Klaus Schulze, and again a substantial rock element with touches of Carlos Santana and Mike Oldfield in the guitar parts. Anyway, I have already had some very pleasing reviews for 'Sequencer Loops', and some extracts are appended. '..one of those albums that is so strong, so heartfelt, so powerful and so darned addictive that I can't imagine anyone's synth music collection being complete without it...he's got the production, playing, arrangements, layers and sounds absolutely spot on - the attention to detail is superb. There are lashings of synths and sequencers, but the use of electric and acoustic guitars takes it into a whole new dimension...an awesome musical spectacle...with carefully selected samples, a hint of Eastern, (and) impressively composed and played tracks...the album becomes one pleasure after another, with the sequencer rhythms and synths commanding but in an urgent, vibrant, almost organic manner, melodies and surging passages leading the way...Impressed? You will be...' Andy G. (C&DS, UK) '...an energetic romp through all things electronic...bubbly, infectious sequences and rhythms get the feet stomping early and often. Jenkins takes the classic Berlin school genre and molds it into whatever he sees fit...each track is a fully developed musical vision from start to finish, seamlessly flowing into the next...many unique touches that make this a very worthwhile twist on a normally well-worn sound. It's old, it's new, it's just plain fun'. Phil Derby (Exposé Magazine, USA) 'This is a great album! It does not happen too often that I get such a good CD. I played several series of tracks on my radio show 'Silent Running'. I'm waiting for the next album...' Gaston Klares (Radio ARA, LUXEMBOURG) '...really hits the spot and also serves up a few surprises and interesting ideas along the way...if you are into sequencer/rhythm combinations with loads of melody then buy this without hesitation! There is so much infectious energy here that you just have to let your body go with the pulsations. All in all it's something of a stormer...irresistible stuff. I found my head nodding to the beats all the way through it. This CD is full of no nonsense fun - not a pretentious note in it...I liked it very much indeed'. David Law (SMD, UK) I'm pleased that the CD has been taken up by distributors all over the world including Eurock in the USA, Groove in the Netherlands and Cue in Germany, as well as being available direct from the website; http://www.ampmusic.demon.co.uk/albums.html For any tadream list members who order a copy from the website during June, I'll include a free compilation CD featuring the first 15 or so other releases on the label. And thanks again for your encouragement! Mark Jenkins [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34291 Re: Digest Number 1372 Administrator for kay-net.com Mon 6/10/2002 4 KB From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Mon Jun 10, 2002 7:03 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1372 Way to go Mark! If you haven't visited his web site, you should. Be sure to back up one directory to the home page to see the rest. :-) dale Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'ampmusic' To: Cc: Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 11:35 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1372 > Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2002 15:27:01 -0000 > From: 'gmroger' > Subject: Review of Dreamwatchers' Tales 3 - Visions of the Watchgirl' > > As promised (goodness knows how long ago), here's my assessment of > the new DWT project... > > In many ways I was quite surprised to see MARK JENKINS making a > contribution to DWT2 - after all, he is a musician of note in EM. And > he doesn't disappoint either, with `The Stealing of the Five > Thousands' always busy, split into three sections, and very > enjoyable. Certainly in my top five favourites... > > Roger Hartopp Hi Roger, Many thanks for your kind comments about my piece for 'Dreamwatchers Tales 2'. I was very pleased to be able to record a track for the album while trying out a new recording setup for my latest CD 'Sequencer Loops'. It was a very useful exercise - I wanted to generate some of the feeling of the mid-period of Tangerine Dream and practice balancing synths and sequencers against more rock-oriented drums and guitars, and on 'The Stealing of the Five Thousand' I hope you can hear little touches of 'Cyclone', 'Tangram', 'Force Majeure' and the 1980 concerts, up to around the period of 'Optical Race'. From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Mon Jun 10, 2002 7:48 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Off-topic: World Cup 2002 In a message dated 6/10/2002 10:23:39 AM Central Daylight Time, richard@c... writes: > >> Soccer is and will always be the most boring game in the > world...................... > > Sorry I disagree. Rugby has to be the MOST boring game in the world. > Sometimes it can take a game more than 30 minutes to progress just 5 metres > down the field. > > Regards > > Richard > *You guys ever watched Golf on the tele? Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'tei waz' Date: Mon Jun 10, 2002 9:29 pm Subject: most boring blah blah >*You guys ever watched Golf on the tele? hmm--having now seen Golf and Fishing on HDTV--I find it incredibly less boring, then again I don't own an HDTV so it remains..... --T np bensusan and malherbe-live in paris _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From: Mark Filipak Date: Tue Jun 11, 2002 12:57 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Tatort -- Final Schimanski Episode Hi Armin! Here is what Paul Griesbach wrote to me: > I don't remember the name of the 'Tatort' episode, but I do > know it was the last one starring Goetz George (famous german > actor) as Inspector Schimanski. We were in the studio around > New Year 90-91. I remember it well because the Froese's invited > me down for a week to their house/studio near Vienna and we had > a great time over New Years. I belive Linda played on a few > things at that time. Most of what they used from me was played > on a wind synthesizer. I assumed that Paul meant the 'Bis zum Hals im Dreck' episode (on which Linda did play and for which she received credit, and which, if Paul also participated, he did not receive credit for -- see note). So I sent him copies of 'One Night in Medina' and 'I Just Want to Rule My Own Life Without You'. After listening to them, he wrote back saying that those were NOT the tunes he worked on. Note: Since Paul had just toured the UK with TD at the end of 1990, I was curious if I could nail down the session dates that produced the 'Bis zum Hals im Dreck' score. That's why I contacted Paul in the first place. When I checked the credits, I was also curious why Paul was not listed. I occurs to me that there are 3 possiblities: 1 - Paul was totally wrong and/or was experiencing flashbacks from his youth in California when he played in a band named 'The Shroomtones'. 2 - When he wrote 'last', Paul didn't mean 'final' episode. 3 - A 'final' score was indeed made, but WDR didn't use it. -- Considering TD's 'seminal' contribution to Schimanski, I doubt that this would be the case. Since 1991 was the last season for the Schimanski episodes, and since the one we know about, 'Bis zum Hals im Dreck', was not the one that Paul played in, then it is quite possible that there is another 1991 episode that has original TD music. If it is not the 'final' episode, it must be another 1991 Schimanski episode. According to my records, there were only 3 Schimanski episodes in 1991 (the final year for Schimanski): 09.06.91 'Bis zum Hals im Dreck' 27.10.91 'Kinderlieb' 29.12.91 'Der Fall Schimanski' My list may be incomplete as it lists only one or two 'Tatort' episodes per month. Ciao -- Mark Armin Theissen wrote: > > what? I used to be somewhat of a fan of the Schimanski thread > (I even wore one of these jackets... #-) ) in the Tatort series, > and was of course watching this final episode. And I don't think > there was any TD music in there! I'm even pretty sure, because > after the episode 'Das Maedchen auf der Treppe' I used to listen > very carefully. > > armin > >Mark Filipak wrote: > > > > The final Schimanski episode was 'Der Fall Schimanski', originally > > broadcast on 29 Dec 1991. > > > > Why is this important? > > ====================== > > Paul Griesbach tells me that he had a session with TD over New Years > > 1990/91 during which music was composed and recorded for use in the > > final Schimanski episode. > > > > Why is this important? > > ====================== > > That episode has original TD music that we haven't heard. > > > > Would any of our German friends care to check this out? Is a VCR of > > this episode available -- maybe at a library? Is it going to be > > rebroadcast, as the various 'Tatort' episodes sometimes are? From: TheInfection Date: Tue Jun 11, 2002 7:21 am Subject: Re: Alien Seagull >Do you know the tracks that Chris used the alien >Seagull sound? The sound actually is in every solo release from Chris. Enchanting Nature, Klemania, London Concert, B5-albums, they all have it. And yes, I still think that it sound more like an eagle than a seagull. Why you might ask? Well, have you ever hear a seagull screaming? That's not a pretty sound. Regards, TheInfection ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From: Armin Theissen Date: Tue Jun 11, 2002 9:25 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Tatort -- Final Schimanski Episode Hi, thanks for all that info! TD music did not play such a crucial role for the Schimanski thread in 'Tatort'. I think the german 'Klaus Lage Band' is much more associated with it. cheers armin > Hi Armin! > > Here is what Paul Griesbach wrote to me: > > > I don't remember the name of the 'Tatort' episode, but I do > > know it was the last one starring Goetz George (famous german > > actor) as Inspector Schimanski. We were in the studio around > > New Year 90-91. I remember it well because the Froese's invited > > me down for a week to their house/studio near Vienna and we had > > a great time over New Years. I belive Linda played on a few > > things at that time. Most of what they used from me was played > > on a wind synthesizer. > > I assumed that Paul meant the 'Bis zum Hals im Dreck' episode (on which > Linda did play and for which she received credit, and which, if Paul also > participated, he did not receive credit for -- see note). So I sent him > copies of 'One Night in Medina' and 'I Just Want to Rule My Own Life > Without You'. After listening to them, he wrote back saying that those > were NOT the tunes he worked on. > > Note: Since Paul had just toured the UK with TD at the end of 1990, I was > curious if I could nail down the session dates that produced the 'Bis zum > Hals im Dreck' score. That's why I contacted Paul in the first place. > When I checked the credits, I was also curious why Paul was not listed. > > I occurs to me that there are 3 possiblities: > > 1 - Paul was totally wrong and/or was experiencing flashbacks from his > youth in California when he played in a band named 'The Shroomtones'. > > 2 - When he wrote 'last', Paul didn't mean 'final' episode. > > 3 - A 'final' score was indeed made, but WDR didn't use it. -- > Considering TD's 'seminal' contribution to Schimanski, I doubt that this > would be the case. > > Since 1991 was the last season for the Schimanski episodes, and since the > one we know about, 'Bis zum Hals im Dreck', was not the one that Paul > played in, then it is quite possible that there is another 1991 episode > that has original TD music. If it is not the 'final' episode, it must be > another 1991 Schimanski episode. > > According to my records, there were only 3 Schimanski episodes in 1991 > (the final year for Schimanski): > > 09.06.91 'Bis zum Hals im Dreck' > 27.10.91 'Kinderlieb' > 29.12.91 'Der Fall Schimanski' > > My list may be incomplete as it lists only one or two 'Tatort' episodes > per month. > > Ciao -- Mark > > Armin Theissen wrote: > > > > what? I used to be somewhat of a fan of the Schimanski thread > > (I even wore one of these jackets... #-) ) in the Tatort series, > > and was of course watching this final episode. And I don't think > > there was any TD music in there! I'm even pretty sure, because > > after the episode 'Das Maedchen auf der Treppe' I used to listen > > very carefully. > > > > armin > > > >Mark Filipak wrote: > > > > > > The final Schimanski episode was 'Der Fall Schimanski', originally > > > broadcast on 29 Dec 1991. > > > > > > Why is this important? > > > ====================== > > > Paul Griesbach tells me that he had a session with TD over New Years > > > 1990/91 during which music was composed and recorded for use in the > > > final Schimanski episode. > > > > > > Why is this important? > > > ====================== > > > That episode has original TD music that we haven't heard. > > > > > > Would any of our German friends care to check this out? Is a VCR of > > > this episode available -- maybe at a library? Is it going to be > > > rebroadcast, as the various 'Tatort' episodes sometimes are? ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Tue Jun 11, 2002 8:27 pm Subject: Re: DWT 1 CD1 Hello everyone, about that DWT1 CD1 I needed, someone has already contacted me. Thanks! best regards GJ From: 'Yannick EDOM' Date: Tue Jun 11, 2002 3:28 pm Subject: DREAMWATCHERS' TALES III Dreamwatchers' Tales III is open. You can contact me for details. The rule is simple. One (or more) track(s) is needed on CDR audio. Each track must be between 3 and 10 minutes long. The contributors can send me their track directly to my address (see below) WITH the TITLE AND ARTIST NAME(s). But if you see you can't create your track before october 30th 2002 , please contact me too. THE CONTRIBUTORS OF THE PREVIOUS DREAMWATCHERS PROJECT MUST CONFIRM THEIR PARTICIPATION FOR THE THIRD EPISODE IF THEY WANT TO BE PART OF IT ! The closing date is OCTOBER 30th 2002 Yannick Edom Mirage Créations Champlain B7 A 101 47 Chemin de Pelleport 31500 TOULOUSE FRANCE e-mail : yannick.edom@s... P.S. Here are the contributors who confirmed their participation Olyam Nightbirds Darklion Döktor Strange Fred Yargui Paul Ellis Pergamon Mathhew Stringer Ionic Richard Ford Gustavo Jobim Olivier Briand Maybe there will be a Darklion - Olyam track and a Nightbirds - Darklion track Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34299 Re: DREAMWATCHERS' TALES III Administrator for kay-net.com Tue 6/11/2002 4 KB 34300 Re: DREAMWATCHERS' TALES III Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid Tue 6/11/2002 2 KB 34301 Re: DREAMWATCHERS' TALES III Administrator for kay-net.com Tue 6/11/2002 3 KB 34304 Re: DREAMWATCHERS' TALES III Yannick EDOM Wed 6/12/2002 2 KB 34307 Re: DREAMWATCHERS' TALES III Admin Wed 6/12/2002 3 KB From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Tue Jun 11, 2002 4:59 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] DREAMWATCHERS' TALES III Yannick, do you like chocolate cake? ;-) dale Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Yannick EDOM' To: Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 8:28 AM Subject: [tadream] DREAMWATCHERS' TALES III > Dreamwatchers' Tales III is open. > > You can contact me for details. > > The rule is simple. > > One (or more) track(s) is needed on CDR audio. > > Each track must be between 3 and 10 minutes long. > > The contributors can send me their track directly to my address (see below) > WITH the TITLE AND ARTIST NAME(s). > > But if you see you can't create your track before october 30th 2002 , please > contact me too. > > THE CONTRIBUTORS OF THE PREVIOUS DREAMWATCHERS PROJECT MUST CONFIRM THEIR > PARTICIPATION FOR THE THIRD EPISODE IF THEY WANT TO BE PART OF IT ! > > The closing date is OCTOBER 30th 2002 > > Yannick Edom > Mirage Créations > Champlain B7 A 101 > 47 Chemin de Pelleport > 31500 TOULOUSE > FRANCE > > e-mail : yannick.edom@s... > > P.S. > > Here are the contributors who confirmed their participation > > Olyam > Nightbirds > Darklion > Döktor Strange > Fred Yargui > Paul Ellis > Pergamon > Mathhew Stringer > Ionic > Richard Ford > Gustavo Jobim > Olivier Briand > > Maybe there will be a Darklion - Olyam track and a Nightbirds - Darklion > track > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid Date: Tue Jun 11, 2002 5:56 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] DREAMWATCHERS' TALES III Welp......that leaves me out.....shortest track I have that's almost finished clocks in way over that time frame. Yannick EDOM wrote: > Dreamwatchers' Tales III is open. > > You can contact me for details. > > The rule is simple. > > One (or more) track(s) is needed on CDR audio. > > Each track must be between 3 and 10 minutes long. > From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Tue Jun 11, 2002 6:15 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] DREAMWATCHERS' TALES III Doing the long ones these days huh? Still, maybe he can make a exception for you as I hate to not see some of your work.(hear that is) dale Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid' To: Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] DREAMWATCHERS' TALES III > Welp......that leaves me out.....shortest track I have that's almost finished > clocks in way over that time frame. > > Yannick EDOM wrote: > > > Dreamwatchers' Tales III is open. > > > > You can contact me for details. > > > > The rule is simple. > > > > One (or more) track(s) is needed on CDR audio. > > > > Each track must be between 3 and 10 minutes long. From: 'Owens, James' Date: Tue Jun 11, 2002 6:40 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Review of Dreamwatchers' Tales 3 - Visions of the Watchgirl' Thanks for the kind words Roger. I'd be interested to know what equipment was used on the various tracks. For mine, the entire track was performed on a cheap Yamaha PSR-225 (Under $300 at Best Buy). I used the various DSP, Chorus, and Dual Voice options to get the sounds I wanted. I programmed the sequence using the built-in step recorder, and overlaid the chords and bass in 'realtime' record mode. (The PSR-225 will record up to 6 tracks in each multi-track 'song'. Unfortunately it only stores 3 songs, and there's no way to transfer them digitally.) The piano parts were played live at the time of recording. I recorded the track on my AMD-based PC, with a $45 SoundBlaster Live soundcard. Absolutely NO post-processing was done (Although I probably should have equalized the bass a little). James -----Original Message----- From: gmroger [mailto:gmroger@p...] {snip} The last track on disc 1 is another example of what one can do in the space of three minutes (and eleven seconds). JAMES OWENS' `Leonids' kicks off with a lovely piano (which reminded me of TD, as they love to start some of their classic pieces with a piano) and then moves into a lovely memorable organ/synth and piano. And then it's all over... {snip} Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34303 DWT 2 Equipment used jerome Wed 6/12/2002 2 KB From: jerome Date: Wed Jun 12, 2002 5:05 am Subject: [tadream] DWT 2 Equipment used hey there... --- 'Owens, James' wrote: > I'd be interested to know what equipment was used on the various tracks. we (ionic) used four keyboards, recording live and improvising everything... keyboards: yahama An1x yahama SY99 Oberheim Roland Jx80 (okay this is an expander board, but a forth, no name digital piano was used as a controller) everything was recorded through an ADAT into cubase VST... post processing was eqing everything and extracting this first 7 plus minutes from a 30 minute piece... jerome __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From: 'Yannick EDOM' Date: Wed Jun 12, 2002 7:06 am Subject: Re: [tadream] DREAMWATCHERS' TALES III > Yannick, do you like chocolate cake? > > ;-) > dale ?????????!!!!!!!!! Yannick Edom Mirage Créations From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Wed Jun 12, 2002 6:41 am Subject: 'Inferno' concert: fan meeting in Berlin June 15th (Broken English) before TD's 'Inferno' show is taking place this Saturday there will be a fan meeting , and everyone going to the concert is hereby invited to join us. We hope to find a nice bar/pub/restaurant in the surrounding area where we can eat & drink. *Meeting point* will be the concert area (location: Old National Gallery/ Museum Island, Bodestrasse 1-3) Time: between 6.00-6.30 pm (I'm the guy with the Ramones t-shirt :-) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ----------------- (Deutsch) Vor dem am Samstag stattfindenden TD-Konzert wird ein Fan-Treffen stattfinden, zu dem ich Euch herzlich einlade. Nachdem wir alle eingetrudelt sind, werden wir in der näheren Umgebung nach einem Pub oder Restaurant Ausschau halten, um danach zum Konzert zu gehen Treffpunkt: : Das Konzertgelände (Kolonnadenhof vor der Alten Nationalgalerie/ Museumsinsel, Bodestr. 1-3) Zeitpunkt: zwischen 18.00-18.30 Uhr (ich trage wie immer mein Ramones-T-Shirt :-) Heiko Heerssen Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34306 Re: 'Inferno' concert: fan meeting in Berlin June albenson Wed 6/12/2002 3 KB 34308 Re: 'Inferno' concert: fan meeting in Berlin June TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak Wed 6/12/2002 4 KB From: 'albenson' Date: Wed Jun 12, 2002 7:20 am Subject: Re: 'Inferno' concert: fan meeting in Berlin June 15th Heiko the leader of the TD tad-tree rat pack wrote: > Message: 25 > Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 08:41:23 +0200 > From: Heiko Heerssen > Subject: 'Inferno' concert: fan meeting in Berlin June 15th > > (Broken English) > before TD's 'Inferno' show is taking place this Saturday > there will be a fan meeting , and everyone going to the > concert is hereby invited to join us. We hope to find a > nice bar/pub/restaurant in the surrounding area where we > can eat & drink. Hehehe... Save me a *warm* seat -- I mean drink a *beer* for me! ~lol~ > *Meeting point* will be the concert area (location: > Old National Gallery/ Museum Island, Bodestrasse 1-3) > Time: between 6.00-6.30 pm (I'm the guy with the > Ramones t-shirt :-) Haven't I seen you somewhere before with that *old* Ramones T-shirt? ;-) Have fun guys! Sure wish that I could be there... :-) Best Always, -- Al Berkeley, CA / USA From: 'Admin' Date: Wed Jun 12, 2002 7:37 am Subject: Re: [tadream] DREAMWATCHERS' TALES III well if you do Yannick is great, we need to give him chocolate cake! ;-) dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Yannick EDOM' To: Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 12:06 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] DREAMWATCHERS' TALES III > > Yannick, do you like chocolate cake? > > > > ;-) > > dale > > ?????????!!!!!!!!! > > > Yannick Edom > Mirage Créations > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak Date: Wed Jun 12, 2002 1:16 am Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Inferno' concert: fan meeting in Berlin June 15th At 08:41 12.06.02 , you wrote: >(Broken English) >before TD's 'Inferno' show is taking place this Saturday there will be a >fan meeting , and everyone going to the concert is hereby invited to >join us. We hope to find a nice bar/pub/restaurant in the surrounding >area where we can eat & drink. >*Meeting point* will be the concert area (location: Old National >Gallery/ Museum Island, Bodestrasse 1-3) >Time: between 6.00-6.30 pm (I'm the guy with the Ramones t-shirt :-) > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------- > >(Deutsch) >Vor dem am Samstag stattfindenden TD-Konzert wird ein Fan-Treffen >stattfinden, zu dem ich Euch herzlich einlade. Nachdem wir alle >eingetrudelt sind, werden wir in der näheren Umgebung nach einem Pub >oder Restaurant Ausschau halten, um danach zum Konzert zu gehen >Treffpunkt: : Das Konzertgelände (Kolonnadenhof vor der Alten >Nationalgalerie/ Museumsinsel, Bodestr. 1-3) >Zeitpunkt: zwischen 18.00-18.30 Uhr (ich trage wie immer mein >Ramones-T-Shirt :-) > >Heiko Heerssen > > Hello Heiko and all, just a short info: doors for the show on Saturday will be 8:30 p.m. - i.e. you´ll have 2 hours for chatting until you can get in. The seat´s aren´t numbered - they are split into three price categories and you can choose your seat freely in your category. Some affordable restaurant recommendations nearby: - German Food: Leopold´s Brauhaus - Markthalle am Alexanderplatz (just walk up to the big street, Unter den Linden, turn right and walk towards Alexanderplatz (big TV tower) stay on the side of the street you´re on and walk for 5 min.) They have a good microbrewery there with three home-made beers on tap) - Irish Pub: The Harp, S-Bhf Hackescher Markt. walk to the big street again, turn left, walk to the next big street corner, turn left again, walk down to the train station 'Hackescher Markt'. Pub is in train station. - Spanish Tapas 'YoSoy': walk down to Hackescher Markt, walk through train station, walk straight on to next big street, turn right, walk 20 m. you´re there. Those are affordable recommendations, Mitte, where the show´s at is very trendy and expensive. The best bars and freakiest bars in town are in the Simon-Dach-Str. in Friedrichshain. See you at the show... merchandise... ;-) Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: www.tdimusic.com Have a nice day! From: 'E Neal Frost' Date: Wed Jun 12, 2002 11:04 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1373 There is nothing like the excitement of watching 43 rednecks drive in circles for 4 hours at 200+ miles an hour!!!!! Neal ******************************8 Message: 7 Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 09:25:52 -0700 From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Subject: Re: Off-topic: World Cup 2002 Golf and some baseball games have to be near the top of this list. I tell you tennis falls within this too. dale Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34311 Re: Digest Number 1373 ampmusic Wed 6/12/2002 3 KB From: cosmos1@w... Date: Wed Jun 12, 2002 12:07 pm Subject: some tasty items for sale or trade here's a link to some interesting items i don't need anymore in my collection. for more details go to http://home.wanadoo.nl/cosmos1/trade.htm sorry if you see this message a couple of times, but if you don't like it just delete it :) regards andre From: ampmusic Date: Wed Jun 12, 2002 12:15 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1373 > --- 'Owens, James' wrote: > > > I'd be interested to know what equipment was used on the various tracks. On 'The Stealing of the Five Thousand' there are exactly three instruments :-) Two of them are the electric guitar and MiniMoog on the solos towards the end. Anyone who can guess the third, which does everything including all the drums and effects in one pass, gets a free copy of the 'Music for the 3rd Millennium Vol. 2' compilation CD featuring Paul Haslinger along with Micheal Rother & Dieter Moebius, Bernd Kistenmacher and various interesting non-Germans... Clue; it's smaller than you may think, and it's fairly prominent under 'Other Keyboards' on my webpage http://www.ampmusic.demon.co.uk/equipment.html But that was an exercise in minimalism. In contrast my new CD 'Sequencer Loops' has a ridiculous instrument list - a Yamaha EX1, Access Virus, Roland JD800's and JD990's, weird old synths and vocoders from CRB, Teisco and ETI, and 'secret weapons' like the Solton Programmer 24 and TS4. Lots of short MP3's from this at http://www.ampmusic.demon.co.uk/albums.html Oh, and I'll try to offer something for 'DWT3' :-) Mark Jenkins From: Liondream@a... Date: Wed Jun 12, 2002 2:29 pm Subject: pandora strikes again Umm, oops! << Subject: Re: graphic artists hehehe yes the lid to the box has open ;-) dale>>> From: Liondream@a... Date: Wed Jun 12, 2002 2:35 pm Subject: DWTIII Aspiring synthesist seeks same... Hey, if anyone out there would be interested in giving it a go for a dwtiii collaboration, please contact me off list. There are already two of us joining forces - thought it might be cool to have a third. Wes Liondream@a... From: 'fozziebear' Date: Wed Jun 12, 2002 8:23 pm Subject: Universal Soldier I noticed on Brit TV today that Universal Solidier and its sequel will be on TV on Saturday. I think Channel 5 at 9pm Isn't that a Franke film score? David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Thu Jun 13, 2002 4:55 am Subject: test,sorry! Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... From: Joe Shoults Date: Thu Jun 13, 2002 8:20 am Subject: TT2 participants database For now, the databse is at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/database?method=reportRows&tbl=12 You will have to log into yahoogroups to access. Note that this time, I'm leaving the database open, and you can go in and edit your own status. We'll see how this works. Go there, make sure your data is accurate. Joe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34320 Re: TT2 participants database Joe Shoults Thu 6/13/2002 3 KB 34350 Re: TT2 participants database Joe Shoults Sun 6/16/2002 4 KB 34357 Re: TT2 participants database Mark Filipak Mon 6/17/2002 2 KB From: 'Scott' Date: Thu Jun 13, 2002 10:36 am Subject: Saturday's show What's the venue for the show Saturday? Scott From: gmroger@p... Date: (Date Unavailable) Subject: Re: Dreamwatchers Tales II/Merchandise at concert Thanks Mark and James for your kind words in return! Glad to hear Mark you're (hopefully) contributing to the next DWT. In judging these tracks, I just simply enjoy something that's well structured and has a good tune. You guys duly delivered. Now, Martin has hinted there's going to be merchandise at the Inferno concert. I'm only after any TD Cd's previously unreleased. No Tee Shirts, no posters. Can anyone help me out? I will pay. Regards Roger Hartopp From: 'Peter Ravn' Date: Thu Jun 13, 2002 12:51 pm Subject: Edgar is 36!!! - ElektroBeats no news :-) Hi Gang! I did record and listen to the ElektroBeat show last evening - no news - it was just a repeat of the 10.10.2001 interview with Edgar...with the Inferno CD... BUT this afternoon Edgar Froese and Jayney Klimek was interviewed (Read Edgar Froese) at Radio Eins Berlin It was fun, but in GERMAN in a pop show (Edgar is just 36!!:-)))) duration around 24 min..... The Burg show will go on + maybe London & Paris.... I did record the both interviews let me know if you want the show(s)... Peter pr@r... Peter Ravn pr@r... & peter@r... From: Joe Shoults Date: Thu Jun 13, 2002 4:48 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] TT2 participants database sorry; let me figure this out; I'm changing the settings properly, but they are not taking hold. -----Original Message----- From: jerome To: jshoults@f... Sent: 6/13/02 4:35 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] TT2 participants database hey, joe... i couldn't edit my stuff... and i was logged on... any ideas... i'd like to change my info... thanks jerome --- Joe Shoults wrote: > For now, the databse is at > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/database?method=reportRows&tbl=12 > > You will have to log into yahoogroups to access. Note that this time, I'm > leaving the database open, and you can go in and edit your own status. > We'll see how this works. > > Go there, make sure your data is accurate. > > Joe > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From: 'Paul Lawler' Date: Thu Jun 13, 2002 4:39 pm Subject: email test From: 'Admin' Date: Fri Jun 14, 2002 4:53 am Subject: Sorcerer I could not help myself. I had to bid on this at e-bay. I only have it on vinyl. I would love to get this on CD. I hope I get this bad boy. Dale From: 'Admin' Date: Fri Jun 14, 2002 5:37 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Sorcerer lost out... anyone have this out there for sell on cd? dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Admin' To: Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 9:53 PM Subject: [tadream] Sorcerer > I could not help myself. I had to bid on this at e-bay. I only have it on > vinyl. I would love to get this on CD. I hope I get this bad boy. > > Dale > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'heineu' Date: Fri Jun 14, 2002 11:38 am Subject: back from vacation Hello, I am back from vacation, and we see us tomorrow in Berlin to the Fan meeting. Regards heiko - Mr. Optical www.opticaldream.de heiko@o... From: 'michaeljean@e...' Date: Fri Jun 14, 2002 12:41 pm Subject: RE: Re: [tadream] Sorcerer I recall the UK version sounding beeter than the US release of the CD according to reviews MJ Original Message: ----------------- From: Admin admin@k... Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 22:37:45 -0700 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [tadream] Sorcerer lost out... anyone have this out there for sell on cd? dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Admin' To: Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 9:53 PM Subject: [tadream] Sorcerer > I could not help myself. I had to bid on this at e-bay. I only have it on > vinyl. I would love to get this on CD. I hope I get this bad boy. > > Dale > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From: Mark Filipak Date: Fri Jun 14, 2002 12:55 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Sorcerer 'michaeljean@e...' wrote: > > I recall the UK version sounding beeter than the US release of the CD > according to reviews That's true of 'Exit' but not Sorcerer. The only negative information that I have is for the German pressings of 'Sorcerer', MCD10842, spindle marked 'sonopress k-4638/ mcd10842 A dsc4'. Apparently the beginning and the end of each track is slightly clipped by a noise gate. Ciao -- Mark From: 'Paul Lawler' Date: Fri Jun 14, 2002 2:31 pm Subject: Heartbreakers I found a compilation CD by TD called Dream Music, and has some exerpts from 'Heartbreakers' which I dont yet have . There are 2 great tracks from the film 'Footbridge to Heaven' and 'Twilight Painter' , and there is one dreadful track called 'Desire' . Is the rest of this soundtrack in the same vein as the two good tracks , or they all like 'Desire' thanks Paul http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- http://www.vision68.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 1:41 PM Subject: RE: Re: [tadream] Sorcerer > I recall the UK version sounding beeter than the US release of the CD according to reviews > MJ > > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: Admin admin@k... > Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 22:37:45 -0700 > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] Sorcerer > > > lost out... > > anyone have this out there for sell on cd? > > dale > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Admin' > To: > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 9:53 PM > Subject: [tadream] Sorcerer > > > > I could not help myself. I had to bid on this at e-bay. I only have it on > > vinyl. I would love to get this on CD. I hope I get this bad boy. > > > > Dale > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34347 Re: Heartbreakers Dennis Nigbur Sat 6/15/2002 6 KB From: 'Paul Lawler' Date: Fri Jun 14, 2002 2:58 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Heartbreakers Actually in hindsight I wouldn`t describe 'Desire ' as dreaful at all now I`ve heard it properly . Its amazing what listening to music in a traffic Jam can do for judgment .Its still not as good as the other 2 , but not dreadfull . Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Paul Lawler' To: Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 3:31 PM Subject: [tadream] Heartbreakers > I found a compilation CD by TD called Dream Music, and has some exerpts from > 'Heartbreakers' which I dont yet have . There are 2 great tracks from the > film 'Footbridge to Heaven' and 'Twilight Painter' , and there is one > dreadful track called 'Desire' . Is the rest of this soundtrack in the same > vein as the two good tracks , or they all like 'Desire' > > thanks > > Paul > > > > > http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler > http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- > http://www.vision68.co.uk > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 1:41 PM > Subject: RE: Re: [tadream] Sorcerer > > > > I recall the UK version sounding beeter than the US release of the CD > according to reviews > > MJ > > > > > > Original Message: > > ----------------- > > From: Admin admin@k... > > Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 22:37:45 -0700 > > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [tadream] Sorcerer > > > > > > lost out... > > > > anyone have this out there for sell on cd? > > > > dale > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: 'Admin' > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 9:53 PM > > Subject: [tadream] Sorcerer > > > > > > > I could not help myself. I had to bid on this at e-bay. I only have it > on > > > vinyl. I would love to get this on CD. I hope I get this bad boy. > > > > > > Dale > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > > http://mail2web.com/ . > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'yanx_88' Date: Fri Jun 14, 2002 3:03 pm Subject: MSN TDI... Hi every TD fans! Just for fun I add a TDI icon for the MSN Messenger user. You simply change the logo 'lvback.gif' in the Messenger folder (generaly in Program files section\Messenger\. The icon is in the photos section of the group. Dream On again and again! Yanick Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34335 Re: MSN TDI... michaeljean@e... Fri 6/14/2002 3 KB From: Armin Theissen Date: Fri Jun 14, 2002 3:42 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Heartbreakers Eh!! 'Desire' is for me the only reason to be glad having spend the money on that album.... (but we're used to radically different options on TD matters) a. > > I found a compilation CD by TD called Dream Music, and has some exerpts from > 'Heartbreakers' which I dont yet have . There are 2 great tracks from the > film 'Footbridge to Heaven' and 'Twilight Painter' , and there is one > dreadful track called 'Desire' . Is the rest of this soundtrack in the same > vein as the two good tracks , or they all like 'Desire' > > thanks > > Paul > > > > > http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler > http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- > http://www.vision68.co.uk > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 1:41 PM > Subject: RE: Re: [tadream] Sorcerer > > > > I recall the UK version sounding beeter than the US release of the CD > according to reviews > > MJ > > > > > > Original Message: > > ----------------- > > From: Admin admin@k... > > Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 22:37:45 -0700 > > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [tadream] Sorcerer > > > > > > lost out... > > > > anyone have this out there for sell on cd? > > > > dale > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: 'Admin' > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 9:53 PM > > Subject: [tadream] Sorcerer > > > > > > > I could not help myself. I had to bid on this at e-bay. I only have it > on > > > vinyl. I would love to get this on CD. I hope I get this bad boy. > > > > > > Dale > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > > http://mail2web.com/ . > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen From: 'Bruce A. Crichton' Date: Fri Jun 14, 2002 4:19 pm Subject: Re: Sorcerer > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 22:37:45 -0700 > From: 'Admin' > Subject: Re: Sorcerer > > lost out... > > anyone have this out there for sell on cd? > > dale > I didn't think it was that hard to find. Try: www.groove.nl or www.amazon.com From: Armin Theissen Date: Fri Jun 14, 2002 4:14 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Heartbreakers I think 'Desire' is just brilliant. But that comes from a person who adores 'Zeit'... #-) armin > > Actually in hindsight I wouldn`t describe 'Desire ' as dreaful at all now > I`ve heard it properly . > Its amazing what listening to music in a traffic Jam can do for judgment > .Its still not as good as the other 2 , but not dreadfull . > > Paul > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Paul Lawler' > To: > Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 3:31 PM > Subject: [tadream] Heartbreakers > > > > I found a compilation CD by TD called Dream Music, and has some exerpts > from > > 'Heartbreakers' which I dont yet have . There are 2 great tracks from the > > film 'Footbridge to Heaven' and 'Twilight Painter' , and there is one > > dreadful track called 'Desire' . Is the rest of this soundtrack in the > same > > vein as the two good tracks , or they all like 'Desire' > > > > thanks > > > > Paul > > > > > > > > > > http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler > > http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- > > http://www.vision68.co.uk > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 1:41 PM > > Subject: RE: Re: [tadream] Sorcerer > > > > > > > I recall the UK version sounding beeter than the US release of the CD > > according to reviews > > > MJ > > > > > > > > > Original Message: > > > ----------------- > > > From: Admin admin@k... > > > Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 22:37:45 -0700 > > > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: Re: [tadream] Sorcerer > > > > > > > > > lost out... > > > > > > anyone have this out there for sell on cd? > > > > > > dale > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: 'Admin' > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 9:53 PM > > > Subject: [tadream] Sorcerer > > > > > > > > > > I could not help myself. I had to bid on this at e-bay. I only have it > > on > > > > vinyl. I would love to get this on CD. I hope I get this bad boy. > > > > > > > > Dale > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > > > http://mail2web.com/ . > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen From: 'tei waz' Date: Fri Jun 14, 2002 4:36 pm Subject: inferno availability anyone find inferno in the concrete and steel shops, yet? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34336 Re: inferno availability René Brenner Fri 6/14/2002 2 KB From: 'Matthew Stringer' Date: Fri Jun 14, 2002 4:43 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Sorcerer If you have it on vinyl why would you want it on CD? ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Bruce A. Crichton' To: Cc: Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 5:19 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: Sorcerer > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > > Message: 7 > > Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 22:37:45 -0700 > > From: 'Admin' > > Subject: Re: Sorcerer > > > > lost out... > > > > anyone have this out there for sell on cd? > > > > dale > > > > I didn't think it was that hard to find. > > Try: www.groove.nl or www.amazon.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34342 Re: Sorcerer convention24 Fri 6/14/2002 3 KB From: 'michaeljean@e...' Date: Fri Jun 14, 2002 4:47 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] MSN TDI... That's a cute idea... I tried it, but I don't know how to tell if it worked... My MSN identity is michaeljean@e... I will stay signed in for a while in case anyone can let me know how it appears... Original Message: ----------------- From: yanx_88 tdream88@h... Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 15:03:38 -0000 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] MSN TDI... Hi every TD fans! Just for fun I add a TDI icon for the MSN Messenger user. You simply change the logo 'lvback.gif' in the Messenger folder (generaly in Program files section\Messenger\. The icon is in the photos section of the group. Dream On again and again! Yanick ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From: René Brenner Date: Fri Jun 14, 2002 4:47 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] inferno availability On Fri, Jun 14, 2002 at 09:36:35 -0700, tei waz wrote: > anyone find inferno in the concrete and steel shops, yet? > no but many online shops have it now e.g. groove.nl Rene From: Armin Theissen Date: Fri Jun 14, 2002 4:54 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Sorcerer I re-bought my collection on CD but *only* for the reason that CDs are easier to transport if you keep on moving around the world (or Europe only, in my case, so far...). I miss my vinyl very much. a > > If you have it on vinyl why would you want it on CD? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Bruce A. Crichton' > To: > Cc: > Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 5:19 PM > Subject: [tadream] Re: Sorcerer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > Message: 7 > > > Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 22:37:45 -0700 > > > From: 'Admin' > > > Subject: Re: Sorcerer > > > > > > lost out... > > > > > > anyone have this out there for sell on cd? > > > > > > dale > > > > > > > I didn't think it was that hard to find. > > > > Try: www.groove.nl or www.amazon.com > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Fri Jun 14, 2002 5:56 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Sorcerer I had my turntable borrowed a while back along with my Carver Sonic Holography and a Static/pop remover. Lets just say I never fully recovered what was borrowed. I just moved on in a different direction. (All my music gear is geared towards making music now). Is D4 still existing? (note if your from the 80's you might have used D4 on the records to clean them). So I just continued to move on to replace the records with CD's and save the records. Most of mine are European Releases due to me living in Spain for a few years. Dale Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Matthew Stringer' To: Cc: Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 9:43 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Sorcerer > If you have it on vinyl why would you want it on CD? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Bruce A. Crichton' > To: > Cc: > Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 5:19 PM > Subject: [tadream] Re: Sorcerer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > Message: 7 > > > Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 22:37:45 -0700 > > > From: 'Admin' > > > Subject: Re: Sorcerer > > > > > > lost out... > > > > > > anyone have this out there for sell on cd? > > > > > > dale > > > > > > > I didn't think it was that hard to find. > > > > Try: www.groove.nl or www.amazon.com > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'tei waz' Date: Fri Jun 14, 2002 6:19 pm Subject: re: Is D4 still existing? It's D4+ now _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Fri Jun 14, 2002 6:29 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] re: Is D4 still existing? aka Sorcerer new and improved + huh? I found the a bottle of D4 and its roller I had the other day when I was looking for the MAC SCSI CD ROM for the sampler. That is what made me think about it. I wonder is the Amazon.com CD is a good pressing or not. The UK might be better? I heard some music from another band yesterday day (they are on this list) that reminded me of Sorcerer, and now I got Sorcerer running thru my mind. I wonder if this is related to Delayed Stress Syndrome or just a overdosed TD person? dale Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'tei waz' To: Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 11:19 AM Subject: [tadream] re: Is D4 still existing? > It's D4+ now > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: gmroger@p... Date: (Date Unavailable) Subject: Re: Sorcerer >Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 21:53:45 -0700 > From: 'Admin' >Subject: Sorcerer > >I could not help myself. I had to bid on this at e-bay. I only have it on >vinyl. I would love to get this on CD. I hope I get this bad boy. > >Dale > >Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 22:37:45 -0700 > From: 'Admin' >Subject: Re: Sorcerer > >lost out... > >anyone have this out there for sell on cd? > >dale Hasn't 'Sorcerer' been recently rereleased? I saw a copy in HMV Leicester the other day, and it has even been reviewed in the current issue of 'Q' (where it got three stars which I suppose isn't bad considering it was reviewed by a mainstream magazine!) Certainly in Britain I reckon it's pretty easy to order. Have you tried Compact Disc Services, for example? Roger Hartopp From: 'convention24' Date: Fri Jun 14, 2002 8:09 pm Subject: Re: Sorcerer --- In tadream@y..., 'Matthew Stringer' wrote: > If you have it on vinyl why would you want it on CD? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Bruce A. Crichton' > To: > Cc: > Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 5:19 PM > Subject: [tadream] Re: Sorcerer > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > ______________________________________________________________________ __ > > > > > > Message: 7 > > > Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 22:37:45 -0700 > > > From: 'Admin' > > > Subject: Re: Sorcerer > > > > > > lost out... > > > > > > anyone have this out there for sell on cd? > > > > > > dale > > > > > > > I didn't think it was that hard to find. > > > > Try: www.groove.nl or www.amazon.com > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@y... > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > >Vinyl or CD, an absolute CLASSIC.I am sat here wishing i was in BERLIN, but im listening to the AWESOME Poland,This surely must rank amongst the all time Classics.TANGERINE DREAM,there is no DOUBT in my mind that they are the GREATEST of all time. NP:Royal Albert Hall 75 Without doubt their all time GREATEST. Sorry to ramble on,but i cant help it,i Love these guys. Best regards CJ > > > > From: Morgan Feldon Date: Fri Jun 14, 2002 8:22 pm Subject: Warsaw 83 The list has been pretty much catatonic, so here's something to look at... If I were stranded on a desert island with only one TD video (and a player, electricity and a TV of course!) it would be the video shot on Polish TV of the 1983 December 10 Warsaw show. (Of course, since I am wishing, I'd have them remove the silly ballet dancer and mannequin sequences). Here's some snapshots... http://www.feldoncentral.com/tddisc/warsaw83/ -Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34344 Re: Warsaw 83 Administrator for kay-net.com Fri 6/14/2002 3 KB From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Fri Jun 14, 2002 8:28 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Warsaw 83 You got too much time on your hands.... (Styx) Put some of that time on ebay so I can buy some of it... ;-) dale Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Morgan Feldon' To: Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 1:22 PM Subject: [tadream] Warsaw 83 > The list has been pretty much catatonic, so here's something to look at... > > If I were stranded on a desert island with only one TD video (and a player, > electricity and a TV of course!) it would be the video shot on Polish TV of > the 1983 December 10 Warsaw show. (Of course, since I am wishing, I'd have > them remove the silly ballet dancer and mannequin sequences). > > Here's some snapshots... > > http://www.feldoncentral.com/tddisc/warsaw83/ > > -Morgan > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Sat Jun 15, 2002 11:48 am Subject: Re: Tatort -- Final Schimanski Episode Mark, there is more TD music (actually, sound bits and backgrounds) in 'Bis zum Hals im Dreck' than was released with Chi Coltrane. Wouldn't Occam be delighted by the explanation that what Paul worked on was the 'unreleased' stuff ? You should play him the 'full soundtrack' instead of just the Chi Coltrane songs. cheers, klaus > Note: Since Paul had just toured the UK with TD at the end of 1990, I was > curious if I could nail down the session dates that produced the 'Bis zum > Hals im Dreck' score. That's why I contacted Paul in the first place. > When I checked the credits, I was also curious why Paul was not listed. > > I occurs to me that there are 3 possiblities: > > 1 - Paul was totally wrong and/or was experiencing flashbacks from his > youth in California when he played in a band named 'The Shroomtones'. > > 2 - When he wrote 'last', Paul didn't mean 'final' episode. > > 3 - A 'final' score was indeed made, but WDR didn't use it. -- > Considering TD's 'seminal' contribution to Schimanski, I doubt that this > would be the case. From: Mark Filipak Date: Sat Jun 15, 2002 12:59 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Tatort -- Final Schimanski Episode Hi Klaus! et al! Klaus Beschorner wrote: > > Mark, > > there is more TD music (actually, sound bits and backgrounds) in > 'Bis zum Hals im Dreck' than was released with Chi Coltrane. Hmm... bits and pieces does sound like what Paul Griesbach said he worked on. He said they were wind synth samples. > Wouldn't Occam be delighted by the explanation that what Paul > worked on was the 'unreleased' stuff ? You should play him > the 'full soundtrack' instead of just the Chi Coltrane songs. Occam? Hmm... you suggest the 'simplest answer'. Well done, Grasshopper. I'd love to send Paul the full soundtrack. Got any ideas on how I could get the full soundtrack? ;^) (...low rez MP3 samples of the bits and pieces would do nicely...) Ciao -- Mark > cheers, > klaus > > > Note: Since Paul had just toured the UK with TD at the end of 1990, > > I was curious if I could nail down the session dates that produced > > the 'Bis zum Hals im Dreck' score. That's why I contacted Paul in > > the first place. When I checked the credits, I was also curious why > > Paul was not listed. > > > > I occurs to me that there are 3 possiblities: > > > > 1 - Paul was totally wrong and/or was experiencing flashbacks from > > his youth in California when he played in a band named 'The > > Shroomtones'. > > > > 2 - When he wrote 'last', Paul didn't mean 'final' episode. > > > > 3 - A 'final' score was indeed made, but WDR didn't use it. -- > > Considering TD's 'seminal' contribution to Schimanski, I doubt that > > this would be the case. From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Sat Jun 15, 2002 5:05 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Heartbreakers You should probably just give it a try - the album is worth that. It's got some nice work on it, including the delightful 'Footbridge to Heaven', but some other tracks can sound a bit bland. Personally, my assessment would be that it's an often interesting and nearly always evocative soundtrack, which is nowhere near as bad as commonly thought. I don't think it comes anywhere near 'Poland', but I prefer it to 'Le Parc'. Dennis On 14 Jun 2002 at 15:31, Paul Lawler wrote: > I found a compilation CD by TD called Dream Music, and has some > exerpts from 'Heartbreakers' which I dont yet have . There are 2 great > tracks from the film 'Footbridge to Heaven' and 'Twilight Painter' , > and there is one dreadful track called 'Desire' . Is the rest of this > soundtrack in the same vein as the two good tracks , or they all like > 'Desire' > > thanks > > Paul > > > > > http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler > http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- > http://www.vision68.co.uk > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 1:41 PM > Subject: RE: Re: [tadream] Sorcerer > > > > I recall the UK version sounding beeter than the US release of the > > CD > according to reviews > > MJ > > > > > > Original Message: > > ----------------- > > From: Admin admin@k... > > Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 22:37:45 -0700 > > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [tadream] Sorcerer > > > > > > lost out... > > > > anyone have this out there for sell on cd? > > > > dale > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: 'Admin' > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 9:53 PM > > Subject: [tadream] Sorcerer > > > > > > > I could not help myself. I had to bid on this at e-bay. I only > > > have it > on > > > vinyl. I would love to get this on CD. I hope I get this bad boy. > > > > > > Dale > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'James Horecka, AIA' Date: Sun Jun 16, 2002 3:49 am Subject: RE: Heartbreakers Heartbreakers. Nice CD. Not one of my favorites, no, but helps to round out my collection. The two tracks you mention are good. I actually like Desire. Whether it's 'dreadful' musically or not, I'm not one to judge; I'm just a layman, after all. It's a rather moody piece, evoking well a strong sense of longing and opportunities lost. Makes me a bit sad every time I hear it, thinking of things the 'might have been.' So for me, I 'spose it has meaning. 'Desire' is actually my favorite track on the CD. Of course, this is subject to change, as my tastes change over time. I'll grant you that it's not a particularly 'deep' or complex piece. I have not seen the movie, so I can't say whether it 'fits' the scene it was written for or not (and perhaps that would be MOST important, given this is a soundtrack album). The only way to know if you'll like the rest of the CD is to listen to it. Borrow a friend's, perhaps. Or just buy it for your collection. For example, I have 'The Keep' (both CD and VHS), for 'collection purposes only, and I can tell you that I HATE both of them. Awful pieces, hard to listen to, harder to watch. But that's just my humble opinion. Just a TD listener.... James Horecka, AIA, Architect From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung' Date: Sun Jun 16, 2002 9:17 am Subject: Inferno Concert Hi everyone Who attended the Berlin Inferno concert could give us a report of the event? Rgds Jeffrey Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34613 Re: Inferno Concert Volkmar Friauf Mon 7/1/2002 4 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Sun Jun 16, 2002 1:07 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] TT2 participants database OK, here's the situation with the Tangerine Tree 2 database. I've got good news and not so bad news: The not so bad news: I cannot import mass records into the yahoogorups database that YOU can then go back and edit. This means that you will have to enter the record yourself. Don't worry: if you are ultimately not able to log into yahoogroups to do it yourself, I'll do it for you, but you can't go back and edit it. It's my understanding that whomever creates the record can edit it, and I'm pretty sure that list moderators also can, so all you need to be able to do is log in when you click this link: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/database But please pay heed to the table description below! So the good news is that you can edit your own record, and you don't have to wait for me to do it! ;-) Now, the table will be 100% up to date in real time. Of course, you have to actually record any changes yourself for this to be true, and we're going to trust that people will play fair and only make appropriate updates for themselves. TABLE DESCRIPTION: In order for this to work best, we need to adhere to some common field value usage, and please spell everything correctly(!). This will help us manage the progress. For example, I export the values to a spreadsheet and sort them by these values, so they need to be spelled and updated correctly to sort properly. Name: your name. we request that you use your real name E-mail: please make it one that you really use Location: country first, then region if desired Supplier: the name of your TT2 supplier will be assigned to you if it hasn't been already. TreeRole: you are: PERM= permanent tree member; TT2= for TT2 only B/L: You: B= will branch for others; L=can only be a leaf for TT2 Descendants: the number of descendants (leaves, other branches) you will support Format: Redbook= you will receive in good ole redbook format SHN= you will receive in better new SHN format DOWN=you will download SHNs from server (broadband only) Level: this is mainly used by us to structure tree Status: you can put whatever you want in here, but please always start it with one of the values below: UNASSIGNED PENDING DISKS RECEIVED NOTE: do not change your leaf's status to 'DISKS RECEIVED' just because you mailed the disks. The LEAF has to make the change when *received*. OK, that should do it for now. Please let me know if anything is not working or any feedback is welcome! Thanks all, and especially to Heiko, and all the audio and artwork producers and Morgan and Mark! Here's to another great tree volume! Joe From: Joe Shoults Date: Sun Jun 16, 2002 1:54 pm Subject: HOLD THE PHONE RE: [tadream] TT2 participants database OK I was wrong- you CAN edit the mass-imported items. so the tree database is ready, as I've received entries as of 2 days ago. I'll make the rest later. Again: the database is populate. check it anyway to make sure your entry is correct. Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Shoults [mailto:jshoults@f...] > Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2002 9:08 AM > To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com' > Subject: RE: [tadream] TT2 participants database > > > OK, here's the situation with the Tangerine Tree 2 database. > I've got good > news and not so bad news: > > The not so bad news: I cannot import mass records into the yahoogorups > database that YOU can then go back and edit. This means that > you will have > to enter the record yourself. Don't worry: if you are > ultimately not able > to log into yahoogroups to do it yourself, I'll do it for > you, but you can't > go back and edit it. It's my understanding that whomever > creates the record > can edit it, and I'm pretty sure that list moderators also > can, so all you > need to be able to do is log in when you click this link: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/database > > But please pay heed to the table description below! > > So the good news is that you can edit your own record, and > you don't have to > wait for me to do it! ;-) Now, the table will be 100% up to > date in real > time. Of course, you have to actually record any changes > yourself for this > to be true, and we're going to trust that people will play > fair and only > make appropriate updates for themselves. > > TABLE DESCRIPTION: > In order for this to work best, we need to adhere to some > common field value > usage, and please spell everything correctly(!). This will > help us manage > the progress. For example, I export the values to a > spreadsheet and sort > them by these values, so they need to be spelled and updated > correctly to > sort properly. > > > Name: your name. we request that you use your real name > > E-mail: please make it one that you really use > > Location: country first, then region if desired > > Supplier: the name of your TT2 supplier will be assigned > to you if it > hasn't been already. > > TreeRole: you are: PERM= permanent tree member; TT2= for TT2 only > > B/L: You: B= will branch for others; L=can only > be a leaf for > TT2 > > Descendants: the number of descendants (leaves, other > branches) you will > support > > Format: > Redbook= you will receive in good ole redbook format > SHN= you will receive in better new SHN format > DOWN=you will download SHNs from server (broadband only) > > Level: this is mainly used by us to structure tree > > Status: you can put whatever you want in here, but please > always start it > with one of the values below: > UNASSIGNED > PENDING > DISKS RECEIVED > > NOTE: do not change your leaf's status to 'DISKS RECEIVED' > just because you > mailed the disks. The LEAF has to make the change when *received*. > > OK, that should do it for now. Please let me know if anything is not > working or any feedback is welcome! > > Thanks all, and especially to Heiko, and all the audio and > artwork producers > and Morgan and Mark! Here's to another great tree volume! > > Joe > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34353 Re: HOLD THE PHONE RE: [tadream] TT2 participan Joe Shoults Sun 6/16/2002 6 KB 34356 Re: HOLD THE PHONE RE: [tadream] TT2 participan Admin Sun 6/16/2002 8 KB From: 'Alan Miller' Date: Sun Jun 16, 2002 8:58 pm Subject: Inferno Concert Just back from Berlin........first impressions still in my mind. Do the maths: Fantasic Venue + Excellent Music + Great Company = Amazing and memorable concert. Thanks to everyone who turned up and said Hi, hope you guys got backstage ( sorry, I could not wait). My photos (not too bad) I will send on to those I promised. Thanks Heiko, good to meet you.....I know I still owe you a beer or two. Alan (aka diamondsndust) PS. I now have a photo of Edgar (nearly) smiling - that has be a rarity!!!!! From: Joe Shoults Date: Sun Jun 16, 2002 9:31 pm Subject: RE: HOLD THE PHONE RE: [tadream] TT2 participants database I'm sorry to have been so confusing about all this database stuff. I've gotten feedback offlist that I've overcomplicated it. If anyone has a question, feel free to contact me offlist or onlist if you think it will help other people to see a response. Simply: 1) go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/database?method=reportRows&tbl=12 2) search for your name 3) Click 'Edit' to change your info. Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Shoults [mailto:jshoults@f...] > Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2002 9:54 AM > To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com' > Subject: HOLD THE PHONE RE: [tadream] TT2 participants database > > > OK I was wrong- you CAN edit the mass-imported items. so the > tree database > is ready, as I've received entries as of 2 days ago. I'll > make the rest > later. > > Again: the database is populate. check it anyway to make > sure your entry > is correct. > > Joe > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Joe Shoults [mailto:jshoults@f...] > > Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2002 9:08 AM > > To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com' > > Subject: RE: [tadream] TT2 participants database > > > > > > OK, here's the situation with the Tangerine Tree 2 database. > > I've got good > > news and not so bad news: > > > > The not so bad news: I cannot import mass records into the > yahoogorups > > database that YOU can then go back and edit. This means that > > you will have > > to enter the record yourself. Don't worry: if you are > > ultimately not able > > to log into yahoogroups to do it yourself, I'll do it for > > you, but you can't > > go back and edit it. It's my understanding that whomever > > creates the record > > can edit it, and I'm pretty sure that list moderators also > > can, so all you > > need to be able to do is log in when you click this link: > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/database > > > > But please pay heed to the table description below! > > > > So the good news is that you can edit your own record, and > > you don't have to > > wait for me to do it! ;-) Now, the table will be 100% up to > > date in real > > time. Of course, you have to actually record any changes > > yourself for this > > to be true, and we're going to trust that people will play > > fair and only > > make appropriate updates for themselves. > > > > TABLE DESCRIPTION: > > In order for this to work best, we need to adhere to some > > common field value > > usage, and please spell everything correctly(!). This will > > help us manage > > the progress. For example, I export the values to a > > spreadsheet and sort > > them by these values, so they need to be spelled and updated > > correctly to > > sort properly. > > > > > > Name: your name. we request that you use your real name > > > > E-mail: please make it one that you really use > > > > Location: country first, then region if desired > > > > Supplier: the name of your TT2 supplier will be assigned > > to you if it > > hasn't been already. > > > > TreeRole: you are: PERM= permanent tree member; TT2= > for TT2 only > > > > B/L: You: B= will branch for others; L=can only > > be a leaf for > > TT2 > > > > Descendants: the number of descendants (leaves, other > > branches) you will > > support > > > > Format: > > Redbook= you will receive in good ole redbook format > > SHN= you will receive in better new SHN format > > DOWN=you will download SHNs from server (broadband only) > > > > Level: this is mainly used by us to structure tree > > > > Status: you can put whatever you want in here, but please > > always start it > > with one of the values below: > > UNASSIGNED > > PENDING > > DISKS RECEIVED > > > > NOTE: do not change your leaf's status to 'DISKS RECEIVED' > > just because you > > mailed the disks. The LEAF has to make the change when > *received*. > > > > OK, that should do it for now. Please let me know if > anything is not > > working or any feedback is welcome! > > > > Thanks all, and especially to Heiko, and all the audio and > > artwork producers > > and Morgan and Mark! Here's to another great tree volume! > > > > Joe > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Piotr \'Millennium\'' Date: Sun Jun 16, 2002 9:38 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Inferno Concert http://www.astercity.net/~sulas/Berlin2002/berlin2002.html Pozdrawiam Piotr S. 'Millennium' http://www.astercity.net/~sulas/ > Hi everyone > > Who attended the Berlin Inferno concert could give us a report of the event? > > Rgds > Jeffrey Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34355 Re: Inferno Concert Admin Sun 6/16/2002 3 KB From: 'Admin' Date: Sun Jun 16, 2002 9:52 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Inferno Concert You should scan that picture in and send to Joe for placement on his web site. It is truly a rarity. ;-) dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Alan Miller' To: Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2002 1:58 PM Subject: [tadream] Inferno Concert > Just back from Berlin........first impressions still in my mind. > > Do the maths: Fantasic Venue + Excellent Music + Great Company = Amazing and > memorable concert. > > Thanks to everyone who turned up and said Hi, hope you guys got backstage > ( sorry, I could not wait). My photos (not too bad) I will send on to those > I promised. > > Thanks Heiko, good to meet you.....I know I still owe you a beer or two. > > Alan > (aka diamondsndust) > > PS. I now have a photo of Edgar (nearly) smiling - that has be a rarity!!!!! > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Admin' Date: Sun Jun 16, 2002 9:54 pm Subject: Re: HOLD THE PHONE RE: [tadream] TT2 participants database change and human nature normaly do not go hand in hand Me, I and what is left of myself, just thought we deal with it when the time comes... mesa so confussesso on alsoo stuff like this sa ;-) dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Joe Shoults' To: Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2002 2:31 PM Subject: RE: HOLD THE PHONE RE: [tadream] TT2 participants database > I'm sorry to have been so confusing about all this database stuff. I've > gotten feedback offlist that I've overcomplicated it. If anyone has a > question, feel free to contact me offlist or onlist if you think it will > help other people to see a response. > > Simply: > 1) go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/database?method=reportRows&tbl=12 > > 2) search for your name > > 3) Click 'Edit' to change your info. > > Joe > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Joe Shoults [mailto:jshoults@f...] > > Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2002 9:54 AM > > To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com' > > Subject: HOLD THE PHONE RE: [tadream] TT2 participants database > > > > > > OK I was wrong- you CAN edit the mass-imported items. so the > > tree database > > is ready, as I've received entries as of 2 days ago. I'll > > make the rest > > later. > > > > Again: the database is populate. check it anyway to make > > sure your entry > > is correct. > > > > Joe > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Joe Shoults [mailto:jshoults@f...] > > > Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2002 9:08 AM > > > To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com' > > > Subject: RE: [tadream] TT2 participants database > > > > > > > > > OK, here's the situation with the Tangerine Tree 2 database. > > > I've got good > > > news and not so bad news: > > > > > > The not so bad news: I cannot import mass records into the > > yahoogorups > > > database that YOU can then go back and edit. This means that > > > you will have > > > to enter the record yourself. Don't worry: if you are > > > ultimately not able > > > to log into yahoogroups to do it yourself, I'll do it for > > > you, but you can't > > > go back and edit it. It's my understanding that whomever > > > creates the record > > > can edit it, and I'm pretty sure that list moderators also > > > can, so all you > > > need to be able to do is log in when you click this link: > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/database > > > > > > But please pay heed to the table description below! > > > > > > So the good news is that you can edit your own record, and > > > you don't have to > > > wait for me to do it! ;-) Now, the table will be 100% up to > > > date in real > > > time. Of course, you have to actually record any changes > > > yourself for this > > > to be true, and we're going to trust that people will play > > > fair and only > > > make appropriate updates for themselves. > > > > > > TABLE DESCRIPTION: > > > In order for this to work best, we need to adhere to some > > > common field value > > > usage, and please spell everything correctly(!). This will > > > help us manage > > > the progress. For example, I export the values to a > > > spreadsheet and sort > > > them by these values, so they need to be spelled and updated > > > correctly to > > > sort properly. > > > > > > > > > Name: your name. we request that you use your real name > > > > > > E-mail: please make it one that you really use > > > > > > Location: country first, then region if desired > > > > > > Supplier: the name of your TT2 supplier will be assigned > > > to you if it > > > hasn't been already. > > > > > > TreeRole: you are: PERM= permanent tree member; TT2= > > for TT2 only > > > > > > B/L: You: B= will branch for others; L=can only > > > be a leaf for > > > TT2 > > > > > > Descendants: the number of descendants (leaves, other > > > branches) you will > > > support > > > > > > Format: > > > Redbook= you will receive in good ole redbook format > > > SHN= you will receive in better new SHN format > > > DOWN=you will download SHNs from server (broadband only) > > > > > > Level: this is mainly used by us to structure tree > > > > > > Status: you can put whatever you want in here, but please > > > always start it > > > with one of the values below: > > > UNASSIGNED > > > PENDING > > > DISKS RECEIVED > > > > > > NOTE: do not change your leaf's status to 'DISKS RECEIVED' > > > just because you > > > mailed the disks. The LEAF has to make the change when > > *received*. > > > > > > OK, that should do it for now. Please let me know if > > anything is not > > > working or any feedback is welcome! > > > > > > Thanks all, and especially to Heiko, and all the audio and > > > artwork producers > > > and Morgan and Mark! Here's to another great tree volume! > > > > > > Joe > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Mark Filipak Date: Mon Jun 17, 2002 4:43 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TT2 participants database Joe Shoults wrote [lots of information about the TT2 database]: If it is possible, random access would be a nice feature to add. 'Mark' is right in the middle and going page by page to get to it is a drag. Ciao -- Mark From: 'Paul Lawler' Date: Mon Jun 17, 2002 9:58 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Heartbreakers ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Armin Theissen' To: Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 4:42 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Heartbreakers > > Eh!! 'Desire' is for me the only reason to be glad having spend the > money on that album.... (but we're used to radically different > options on TD matters) Thats true , one mans rubbish is another mans treasure . Thanks for the opinions , does anybody know if the album is still available ? Paul From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Jun 17, 2002 10:58 am Subject: Tangerine Tree 2 signup: notes from the Tree organizers Tangerine Tree 2. It's being met with much salivation and excitement. Indeed, the music and sound quality, and the thought that went into the artwork and preparation of the first Tangerine Tree can hardly be argued. Sources are being found and remastering techniques used that simply have not been tried on this scale before. If there is concern for the second Tree, it's over one issue, distribution. What will happen when the first sets of discs get into the branch leader's hands? Well, with candid advice (and criticism) from list members, and much-improved organization, I can assure you the next Tree will be 10 times better. The first thing different will be an open request that anyone who is too busy is encouraged to sign up as a leaf. Everyone should get a copy, but if someone is going to take a long time, it's not a good idea for them to be a branch, right? I already know several people who had good trading records before this Tree who have gotten swamped with work, etc. and now their names are being tarnished as a result. There is no shame in signing up as a leaf! The initial set of discs coming over to the US and other regions will be going into the hands of those who are most capable of maintaining the Tangerine Tree's momentum. In order to have the best possible Tree experience, not everyone who has a CD burner will be selected as a branch leader. CD recorders are now commonplace--it is free time that is the rare commodity. If a potential branch feels like it would take more than 3 weeks to receive their master discs and mail out the copies to their leaves, it is requested that they sign up as a leaf. If a branch realizes that they have too many leaves, they should notify me at which point, the leaves will be polled to see if one of them would volunteer to become a branch. We heard a lot of 'oh, I couldn't get on the tree, I was told there wasn't anymore room.' This is something I don't want to see repeated. I will be preparing and releasing a flat diagram of the Tree so that kinks can be worked out of the system before the first disc is mailed. It has been reported that there was a breakdown in the SHN branch in the US. This was caused by errors in the discs. It is vital that as soon as an SHN branch receives their discs, they must perform a verification on all of the discs within 1-2 days. If an error is found, replacements can be quickly requested without throwing off the schedule too much. In the case of Australia and several countries in Europe, postage into and out of these countries is phenomenal. As a result, these countries will be treated as special cases. One representative of each country will trade for the master discs of Tree 2 and then spawn a sub-tree within that country. Again, I have heard of several people who wanted to get in on the first Tree but gave up when they realized they would have to trade with someone in another country. I have set up a database on the Yahoo tadream group page. It is completely optional for branches and leaves to read/write/edit/participate in this database! I am hearing confusion and concern about the database. All you have to do is e-mail me your information and whether you want to request to be a redbook (regular music CD) or shn (compressed CD) branch or leaf. Remember, Tangerine Tree 2 is a more ambitious 15 discs if you are a redbook branch, and likely 9-10 discs if you are an SHN branch. Branches, please sign up for the number of leaves you feel you can reasonably support. 'The tree is all voluntary, by well-meaning people who may suddenly find out they've bitten off more than they can chew.' Here we are in June, and I would say 30% of Tree #1 still have not received their discs. Maybe we should give out prizes to the fastest branches. :) Joe, Morgan and Mark [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34361 Pictures form Berlin Open Air Saturday-Sunday fro Rainer Rutka Mon 6/17/2002 2 KB From: Armin Theissen Date: Mon Jun 17, 2002 10:59 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Heartbreakers I see the CD re-issue in shops here and there (the one with the model on the cover, not the one with the vertical red stripes). And should you enounter the 'Sol et Luna' bootleg (a.k.a. Mystery Tracks II), Heartbreakers in on there completely. armin > > > > > > Eh!! 'Desire' is for me the only reason to be glad having spend the > > money on that album.... (but we're used to radically different > > options on TD matters) > > Thats true , one mans rubbish is another mans treasure . Thanks for the > opinions , does anybody know if the album is still available ? > > > Paul > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen From: Rainer Rutka Date: Mon Jun 17, 2002 2:08 pm Subject: Pictures form Berlin Open Air Saturday-Sunday from Rainer Hi everybody! If you want to see some pictures form the Berlin Open Air (Saturday, Sunday) click onto my Td site. www.rutka.de/td This is the pre-version only. There will be more during the week. Browse again in some days to see some more ad-ons. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - www.k-r.de www.rutka.de - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Jun 17, 2002 3:38 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 2 signup: notes from the Tree organi zers Hi René- Certainly! Participants listed in the TT2 database as 'DOWN' format means they are downloading the SHN files on a broadband connection. I just went into the database and changed your listing to 'DOWN'. You may also go in and specify whether you are a leaf or branch, and if a branch, how many leaves you will support. also everyone please note: I imported all the records into TT2 because they were in TT1, but that does not mean every person listed there will remain! At some point, we will have to cull the list of participants that have not responded or completed their TT2 entries. Please be sure yours is accurate. Thanks, Joe TT2 database: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/database?method=reportRows&tbl=12 > -----Original Message----- > From: René Brenner [mailto:fairway@g...] > Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 10:38 AM > To: Joe Shoults > Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 2 signup: notes from the Tree > organizers > > > Hey Joe > > One question: Is it possible to get the tree in shn via ftp > on a very fast > connection? the shn should be made directly from the master discs. > > Greetings > René > > On Mon, Jun 17, 2002 at 06:58:21 -0400, Joe Shoults wrote: > > > > > > > > Tangerine Tree 2. It's being met with much salivation and > excitement. > > Indeed, the music and sound quality, and the thought that > went into the > > artwork and preparation of the first Tangerine Tree can > hardly be argued. > > Sources are being found and remastering techniques used > that simply have not > > been tried on this scale before. If there is concern for > the second Tree, > > it's over one issue, distribution. What will happen when > the first sets of > > discs get into the branch leader's hands? Well, with candid > advice (and > > criticism) from list members, and much-improved > organization, I can assure > > you the next Tree will be 10 times better. > > ... > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34363 Re: Tangerine Tree 2 signup: notes from the Tree Joe Shoults Mon 6/17/2002 3 KB 34365 Bianca Acquaye (Inferno singer and artist (cover) Rainer Rutka Mon 6/17/2002 2 KB 34372 AW: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 2 signup: notes from Herbert Mon 6/17/2002 2 KB 34373 Re: Tangerine Tree 2 signup: notes from the Tree Administrator for kay-net.com Mon 6/17/2002 3 KB 34403 Re: Tangerine Tree 2 signup: notes from the Tree Joe Shoults Thu 6/20/2002 3 KB 34421 Re: Tangerine Tree 2 signup: notes from the Tree Joe Shoults Fri 6/21/2002 2 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Jun 17, 2002 3:53 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 2 signup: notes from the Tree organi zers Something I should add about DOWNloading SHns via FTP: To prevent mailicious attacks on the FTP servers, you may be required to supply your IP address, sothe FTP manager can specifiacally 'let you in'. Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Shoults [mailto:jshoults@f...] > Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 11:39 AM > To: 'René Brenner' > Cc: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com' > Subject: RE: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 2 signup: notes from the Tree > organi zers > > > Hi René- > > Certainly! Participants listed in the TT2 database as 'DOWN' > format means > they are downloading the SHN files on a broadband connection. > I just went > into the database and changed your listing to 'DOWN'. You > may also go in > and specify whether you are a leaf or branch, and if a > branch, how many > leaves you will support. > > also everyone please note: I imported all the records into > TT2 because they > were in TT1, but that does not mean every person listed there > will remain! > At some point, we will have to cull the list of participants > that have not > responded or completed their TT2 entries. Please be sure > yours is accurate > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34365 Bianca Acquaye (Inferno singer and artist (cover) Rainer Rutka Mon 6/17/2002 2 KB 34372 AW: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 2 signup: notes from Herbert Mon 6/17/2002 2 KB From: 'Adele Outland' Date: Mon Jun 17, 2002 4:54 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Heartbreakers Desire happens to be one of my favorite of all TD tracks and Twilight Painter one of my least. Which doesn't mean I'm saying you're wrong; just that it's wonderful how TD can appeal to many different tastes. I would say, however, that the rest of the album caters to the more melodic direction of Desire, but I would hate that you might forego hearing the rest of it because of that. If you can still find the album, buy it; if you really don't like it, I'm sure there's another TD fan that will be happy to purchase/trade for it. 8-) Dell All IMO of course. NP: Kelvin Hall '74 >From: 'Paul Lawler' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: [tadream] Heartbreakers >Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 15:31:25 +0100 > >I found a compilation CD by TD called Dream Music, and has some exerpts >from >'Heartbreakers' which I dont yet have . There are 2 great tracks from the >film 'Footbridge to Heaven' and 'Twilight Painter' , and there is one >dreadful track called 'Desire' . Is the rest of this soundtrack in the same >vein as the two good tracks , or they all like 'Desire' > >thanks > >Paul As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams. _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From: Rainer Rutka Date: Mon Jun 17, 2002 6:13 pm Subject: Bianca Acquaye (Inferno singer and artist (cover)). More infos by Rainer Hi (again) I add two of the paintings Bianca Acquaye was selling at the concert in Berlin on Saturday to my homepage. Both are wonderfull! Check it out. Great collectors items. If you want to see more (or buy!!!) some of her art, check out her webpage at: www.acquaye.de Rainer PS: Yes its spam. But it is in relation to TD. Bianca is one of the singers onto the Inferno CD (and live concerts) and she made the cover artwork, too. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: scfeldman@j... Date: Mon Jun 17, 2002 6:56 pm Subject: HEARTBREAKERS' 'Desire' On Mon, 17 Jun 2002 12:54:28 -0400 'Adele Outland' writes: >Desire happens to be one of my favorite of all TD tracks and Twilight >Painter one of my least. 'Desire' is one of my top faves, too, but I certainly don't dislike 'Twilight Painter.' Stephe Feldman, androgyne http://androgyne.0catch.com/ Androgyne Online webmaster From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Mon Jun 17, 2002 7:01 pm Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #273 [ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #273 June 13, 2002. RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Amir Baghiri, who creates ambient music laced with tribal, world, and industrial influences. The Featured CD at midnight was 'Live,' the second disc from 'The Bluebox Collection' on the Arya label. The vinyl show starter was from the LP 'Departure from the Northern Wasteland' by Michael Hoenig on the Kuckuck label. I played the music of The Ministry of Inside Things who will be performing at the next event in the Soundscapes Concert Series on June 22. Details can be seen on the Events page. Amir Baghiri http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2002/focus02.html#jun Ministry of Inside Things http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic/events.html PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Michael Hoenig Hanging Garden Transfer Departure from the Northern Wasteland (Kuckuck) Ministry of Inside Patterns Live at the ICA (Synkronos) Things Giles Reaves with The Deep End The Deep End (Space for Music) Ashid Himons vidnaObmana and Joris Fusion The Oblique Fusion (prerelease De Backer CDR) 12:00 am Amir Baghiri Killing Time Live (Arya) Amir Baghiri Last Heat Live (Arya) Amir Baghiri Towards a Dream Live (Arya) Amir Baghiri Alchemist Live (Arya) Amir Baghiri Deep Fall Live (Arya) Amir Baghiri Out of the Dark Live (Arya) Amir Baghiri Shrouded Skies Live (Arya) Amir Baghiri Nanyphobia Live (Arya) Amir Baghiri In the Heart of Live (Arya) Underworld 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Amir Baghiri. The Featured CD at Midnight will be 'Night,' the third disc from 'The Bluebox Collection' on the Arya label. The vinyl show starter will be from the LP 'Catharsis Volume 6.' The Ministry of Inside Things who will perform at the Soundscapes Concert Series on June 22, will play live on EMUSIC to whet your appetite for the concert at the IceHouse. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic Host of the AM/FM show on WMUH 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. Email me before submiting music for airplay consideration. billfox@f... Radio Station Home Pages: http://wdiyfm.org http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://www.tadream.net/soundscapes Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34368 Re: EMUSIC Playlist #273 Morgan Feldon Mon 6/17/2002 2 KB 34386 Re: EMUSIC Playlist #273 Bill Fox Wed 6/19/2002 3 KB From: Morgan Feldon Date: Mon Jun 17, 2002 8:05 pm Subject: Re: EMUSIC Playlist #273 So Bill, When is DIY going to get webcasting so we can listen to this show? I know not everything can be webcast due to the RIAA's monopolistic control over distribution made into law recently, but the things on your program could be webcast, no? Shoutcast server is free and very easy to set up on Windows. Anyone with Winamp would then be able to tune in by pressing Ctrl-L and typing in your address. -Morgan From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Mon Jun 17, 2002 8:20 pm Subject: Soundscapes Concert Series The Ministry of Inside Things will perform their special brand of spacemusic at the second installment of the Soundscapes Concert Series. The guest musician in the lobby will be Tom Shaw performing relaxing ambient music before the main concert. The concert will take place at the City of Bethlehem's IceHouse on Sand Island, Saturday, June 22, at 8:00 pm. Doors open at 7:30 pm for a free buffet dinner provided by Chef Jeff. Those who attended Soundscapes #1 will recall a memorable evening of great music and food. Soundscapes #2 promises to be just as enjoyable, as well as being the only source of live spacemusic in the Lehigh Valley (southeastern Pennsylvania). Admission at the door will be $15. Full time Students with valid ID and members of WDIY and WMUH will receive a $5 discount. Advance tickets will be $10 (no discounts), and are available at these fine outlets: Compact Disc Center 1365 Easton Ave. near Linden and Elizabeth in Bethlehem, Pa 610-868-3070 Speedy's Record Shop 1001 Union Blvd east of Airport Rd. in Allentown, Pa 610-432-8386 The Ministry Of Inside Things, based in the Philadelphia area, consists of electric guitarist Art Cohen and synthesist Chuck van Zyl. Considered among the most innovative of electronic musicians in the U.S. today, the members of MoIT are influenced by the early music of Tangerine Dream, Klaus Schulze and Ash Ra Tempel. Their spacemusic has been described as linear because it leads the listener across many sonic terrains. Based on improvisation, The Ministry Of Inside Things creates electronic realizations that flow from theme to theme, often for two hours at a stretch. Through the use of textures and atmospheres as well as harmony, rhythm and melody, the group transports the audience on an internal sonic excursion. Chuck van Zyl has been recording electronic music and performing in public for over 15 years. Van Zyl originally worked under the name Xisle, but is best known for hosting one of the country's most successful radio shows of electronic music, STAR'S END, for over 20 years. Van Zyl has released two CDs of spacemusic on the Centaur label, Celestial Mechanics and The Relic. The Sound Museum with Peter Gulch and D. Andrew Rath was released on the Groove label in 2001. A collaborative effort with Peter Gulch, Regeneration Mode, was released on their own Synkronos label. Art Cohen has been pushing the limits of the electric guitar in the studio and in live performance for well over 15 years. He uses processing to enhance the space around his guitar and loops his live sound to create lush layers to create soundworlds of immense depth and beauty. The Ministry Of Inside Things has performed at Art & Technology, The Philadelphia Museum of Art, First Night Wilmington, the Wild Talents opening reception at the ICA, Gate To Moon Base Alpha, the Boyertown Planetarium, Gathering Concert Series, on the 01.28.01 broadcast of STAR'S END, and on the 07.12.01 broadcast of EMUSIC. MoIT will performa another on-air concert on EMUSIC this Thursday, June 20 to whet your appetite for the concert at the IceHouse. Soundscapes #2 is coproduced by WDS Productions and Wooden Shoe Music. Bill INFORMATION: ----------- Soundscapes P.O. Box 632 Nazareth, Pennsylvania 18064-0632 610-746-9615 billfox@f... http://www.tadream.net/soundscapes http://woodenshoemusic.com The City of Bethlehem's IceHouse 0n Sand Island 56 River Street West Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, USA Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38891 Soundscapes Concert Series Bill Fox ultramusicman Tue 2/11/2003 5 KB 39907 Soundscapes Concert Series Bill Fox ultramusicman Fri 3/21/2003 5 KB From: 'tei waz' Date: Mon Jun 17, 2002 9:25 pm Subject: [journey throug a burning..anthology] looks like the new UK 'compilation' includes these tracks: DISC 1 'OLD' (7 TRKS - GENESIS,FLY AND COLLISION,COLD SMOKE,SUPERNATURAL .....,FAUNI GENA,SUNRISE IN THE THIRD SYSTEM,WAHN) DISC 2 'LIVE' (3 TRACKS - POLAND,LIVES MILES 2 - Berlin concert, horizon) source of track listing from promo listed here: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=885037130 _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34376 Re: [journey throug a burning..anthology] tangram12 Tue 6/18/2002 2 KB From: Morgan Feldon Date: Mon Jun 17, 2002 9:58 pm Subject: Journey Through A Burning Brain compilation Someone must be really bored to bring out compilation after compilation of the same stuff we already have 2x over, and yet out-of-print items just get harder and harder to get. Electronic Orgy might be a pirate, and I can see why Edgar is cross over disc 4 (all the Miramar singles), but the best way to beat the bootleggers is to remove the demand. Klaus Schulze, eat your heart out. :) I fixed up the snapshot from that eBay posting: http://www.feldoncentral.com/tddisc/journey.jpg -Morgan From: 'Herbert' Date: Mon Jun 17, 2002 10:56 pm Subject: AW: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 2 signup: notes from the Tree organi zers ups. Joe wrote: > > Something I should add about DOWNloading SHns via FTP: > To prevent mailicious attacks on the FTP servers, you may be > required to > supply your IP address, sothe FTP manager can specifiacally > 'let you in'. > > Joe > Some of us (like me) have varying IP addresses (the address varies per connect to internet). Such a mechanism would restrict use to guys who got fixed IPs from their ISPs. Herbert From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Mon Jun 17, 2002 11:00 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 2 signup: notes from the Tree organi zers not a problem Most FTP software have a way to mask off a block of address to allow in. so only the first 2 sets of numbers and so forth would be needed. like 62.12.233.22, next time you dial up you get 62.12.233.56 etc.. the mask would look like 62.12.233.xxx and so forth. A common set of IP is typically used for each IP(Internet provider). Have no fear, Under Dog is here. dale Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Herbert' To: Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 3:56 PM Subject: AW: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 2 signup: notes from the Tree organi zers > ups. > > Joe wrote: > > > > Something I should add about DOWNloading SHns via FTP: > > To prevent mailicious attacks on the FTP servers, you may be > > required to > > supply your IP address, sothe FTP manager can specifiacally > > 'let you in'. > > > > Joe > > > > Some of us (like me) have varying IP addresses (the address varies per > connect to internet). > Such a mechanism would restrict use to guys who got fixed IPs from their > ISPs. > > Herbert > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'James Horecka, AIA' Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 12:23 am Subject: 'Legend' DVD; also: 'Luminous Visions' DVD Well, I received the Legend DVD set for Father's Day. Supercedes my VHS version. I must say, it's pretty kewl. Two DVDs. One the US release, with lots of goodies like TD soundtrack ONLY over the movie as it plays (no dialog or sound effects). Interviews with production team, director, cast members, etc., including opinions about what happened with the different cuts, soundtracks, etc., some discussion of the fire that destroyed the sound stage, story boards, some missing scenes, promo photos, Brian Ferry music video, etc. Wild. The other DVD disc has the 'Director's Cut,' with some scenes that were clipped from the US release (about 9 minutes?). This release features the Jerry Goldsmith soundtrack. Regardless of what one's opinion may be regarding the different cut and soundtracks, it's great to have both in one place. I am pretty pleased with the set overall. I also got the new 'Luminous Visions' DVD. I've yet to open up this package, but I expect good things. I bought the VHS version a couple years back, when it was first released. DVD is so much better in so many ways. I can hardly wait! For those who don't yet know, both these puppies are now available. I'd love to see some other TD material released on DVD some day. It'd be great if the TD gang, both present and past, were to put together what footage there is of concerts, trips, studio sessions, etc. from the past 30 years or so, all onto one well-done DVD. In the interviews on the 'Legend' DVD, there was a lot of good background information. Pretty interesting to watch, I thought. Lots of stuff I did not know. But there were also comments lamenting 'things lost.' Physical stuff, film, props, instruments, photos, etc. don't last forever. Neither do the memories of those fine people who were THERE. DVD is another chance, and a good one, to get some of these rarities in one place for all time. James Horecka Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34375 Re: 'Legend' DVD; also: 'Luminous Visions' DVD Admin Tue 6/18/2002 5 KB 34382 Re: 'Legend' DVD; also: 'Luminous Visions' DVD dreamsector Tue 6/18/2002 4 KB 34383 Re: 'Legend' DVD; also: 'Luminous Visions' DVD Administrator for kay-net.com Tue 6/18/2002 5 KB 34385 AW: [tadream] Re: 'Legend' DVD; also: 'Luminous V Herbert Tue 6/18/2002 7 KB 34393 Re: 'Legend' DVD; also: 'Luminous Visions' DVD Admin Thu 6/20/2002 2 KB From: 'Admin' Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 4:51 am Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Legend' DVD; also: 'Luminous Visions' DVD 'Luminous Visions' DVD I had for several years now. I used it to test DVD's with. I enjoyed it a lot and the interview with TD in the end. I bet you will have a blast when you see how much better it looks that tape. That is if you have s-video to the TV or even better a HDTV. dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'James Horecka, AIA' To: Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 5:23 PM Subject: [tadream] 'Legend' DVD; also: 'Luminous Visions' DVD > Well, I received the Legend DVD set for Father's Day. Supercedes my VHS > version. > > I must say, it's pretty kewl. Two DVDs. One the US release, with lots of > goodies like TD soundtrack ONLY over the movie as it plays (no dialog or > sound effects). Interviews with production team, director, cast members, > etc., including opinions about what happened with the different cuts, > soundtracks, etc., some discussion of the fire that destroyed the sound > stage, story boards, some missing scenes, promo photos, Brian Ferry music > video, etc. Wild. > > The other DVD disc has the 'Director's Cut,' with some scenes that were > clipped from the US release (about 9 minutes?). This release features the > Jerry Goldsmith soundtrack. > > Regardless of what one's opinion may be regarding the different cut and > soundtracks, it's great to have both in one place. I am pretty pleased with > the set overall. > > I also got the new 'Luminous Visions' DVD. I've yet to open up this package, > but I expect good things. I bought the VHS version a couple years back, when > it was first released. DVD is so much better in so many ways. I can hardly > wait! > > For those who don't yet know, both these puppies are now available. > > I'd love to see some other TD material released on DVD some day. It'd be > great if the TD gang, both present and past, were to put together what > footage there is of concerts, trips, studio sessions, etc. from the past 30 > years or so, all onto one well-done DVD. In the interviews on the 'Legend' > DVD, there was a lot of good background information. Pretty interesting to > watch, I thought. Lots of stuff I did not know. But there were also comments > lamenting 'things lost.' Physical stuff, film, props, instruments, photos, > etc. don't last forever. Neither do the memories of those fine people who > were THERE. DVD is another chance, and a good one, to get some of these > rarities in one place for all time. > > James Horecka > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'tangram12' Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 7:43 am Subject: Re: [journey throug a burning..anthology] also the official release is billed as being a three disc compilation, the guy selling the promo on ebay does not have the full set. Duncan --- In tadream@y..., 'tei waz' wrote: > looks like the new UK 'compilation' includes these tracks: > > DISC 1 'OLD' (7 TRKS - GENESIS,FLY AND COLLISION,COLD SMOKE,SUPERNATURAL > .....,FAUNI GENA,SUNRISE IN THE THIRD SYSTEM,WAHN) DISC 2 'LIVE' (3 TRACKS - > POLAND,LIVES MILES 2 - Berlin concert, horizon) > > source of track listing from promo listed here: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=885037130 > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From: 'Adele Outland' Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 4:25 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Liquid Sound volume 1 I have a co-worker who heard me play Liquid Sound volume 1 compilation album (which includes Star Sounds Orchestra) that I got at Okefenokee and wants to buy a copy. Yes, buy; I will not burn it for her. I've tried amazon, groove, and tower. Any other suggestions? Now that I've finally made a convert/aficionado of electronic music, I sure would like to keep the momentum going by finding this album for her. Thanks! 8-) Dell All IMO of course. NP: Orbital Decay: thanks Bill, I like this one a lot As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 4:29 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Liquid Sound volume 1 as it should be the journey starts with a single step ;-) dale Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Adele Outland' To: Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 9:25 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Liquid Sound volume 1 > I have a co-worker who heard me play Liquid Sound volume 1 compilation album > (which includes Star Sounds Orchestra) that I got at Okefenokee and wants to > buy a copy. Yes, buy; I will not burn it for her. I've tried amazon, groove, > and tower. Any other suggestions? Now that I've finally made a > convert/aficionado of electronic music, I sure would like to keep the > momentum going by finding this album for her. Thanks! 8-) Dell > > All IMO of course. > NP: Orbital Decay: thanks Bill, I like this one a lot > > > As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams. > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34379 Re: Liquid Sound volume 1 tei waz Tue 6/18/2002 2 KB From: 'tei waz' Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 5:26 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Liquid Sound volume 1 hope this helps http://www.novamd.de/NovaMedia_demo/ChillOut/liquidsound1_english.html _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From: Mark Filipak Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 6:24 pm Subject: 'Collected Endings' Hi All! Would someone who has 'Collected Endings' please contact me. I'd especially like to hear from someone who has it, and who does sound editing. Thanks very much. -- Mark From: Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 6:58 pm Subject: Pictures add from the Berlin event 15.06.2002 Hello Guys, I add some pictures from The TD Concert 15.06.2002 at the Museumsinsel-Festival on my Homepage: www.opticaldream.de/dream/Berlin2002.htm Enjoy the pictures!!! Regards heiko - Mr. Optical www.tribute-to-ashra.de www.opticaldream.de FREE ASHRA NEWSLETTER subcribe here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ashranewsletter --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ----------------------------- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'dreamsector' Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 9:29 pm Subject: Re: 'Legend' DVD; also: 'Luminous Visions' DVD James... does the Luminous Visions dvd include a separate cd of just the soundtrack? How does the imagery on L.M. compare to Infinity's Child? Abstract color imagery? Just wondering whether I should pick this up if I come across it. I have a cd promo version of the music that I picked up at a used 'record' store. --- In tadream@y..., 'James Horecka, AIA' wrote: > Well, I received the Legend DVD set for Father's Day. Supercedes my VHS > version. > > I must say, it's pretty kewl. Two DVDs. One the US release, with lots of > goodies like TD soundtrack ONLY over the movie as it plays (no dialog or > sound effects). Interviews with production team, director, cast members, > etc., including opinions about what happened with the different cuts, > soundtracks, etc., some discussion of the fire that destroyed the sound > stage, story boards, some missing scenes, promo photos, Brian Ferry music > video, etc. Wild. > > The other DVD disc has the 'Director's Cut,' with some scenes that were > clipped from the US release (about 9 minutes?). This release features the > Jerry Goldsmith soundtrack. > > Regardless of what one's opinion may be regarding the different cut and > soundtracks, it's great to have both in one place. I am pretty pleased with > the set overall. > > I also got the new 'Luminous Visions' DVD. I've yet to open up this package, > but I expect good things. I bought the VHS version a couple years back, when > it was first released. DVD is so much better in so many ways. I can hardly > wait! > > For those who don't yet know, both these puppies are now available. > > I'd love to see some other TD material released on DVD some day. It'd be > great if the TD gang, both present and past, were to put together what > footage there is of concerts, trips, studio sessions, etc. from the past 30 > years or so, all onto one well-done DVD. In the interviews on the 'Legend' > DVD, there was a lot of good background information. Pretty interesting to > watch, I thought. Lots of stuff I did not know. But there were also comments > lamenting 'things lost.' Physical stuff, film, props, instruments, photos, > etc. don't last forever. Neither do the memories of those fine people who > were THERE. DVD is another chance, and a good one, to get some of these > rarities in one place for all time. > > James Horecka From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 9:32 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: 'Legend' DVD; also: 'Luminous Visions' DVD my 2 cents in the dvd I have does not have a cd. only dvd and the images are very well done especially considering the time it was made. I would consider it a must have if you are into TD items with some imagery. dale Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'dreamsector' To: Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 2:29 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: 'Legend' DVD; also: 'Luminous Visions' DVD > James... does the Luminous Visions dvd include a separate cd of just > the soundtrack? > > How does the imagery on L.M. compare to Infinity's Child? Abstract > color imagery? > > Just wondering whether I should pick this up if I come across it. I > have a cd promo version of the music that I picked up at a used > 'record' store. > > > --- In tadream@y..., 'James Horecka, AIA' wrote: > > Well, I received the Legend DVD set for Father's Day. Supercedes my VHS > > version. > > > > I must say, it's pretty kewl. Two DVDs. One the US release, with lots of > > goodies like TD soundtrack ONLY over the movie as it plays (no dialog or > > sound effects). Interviews with production team, director, cast members, > > etc., including opinions about what happened with the different cuts, > > soundtracks, etc., some discussion of the fire that destroyed the sound > > stage, story boards, some missing scenes, promo photos, Brian Ferry music > > video, etc. Wild. > > > > The other DVD disc has the 'Director's Cut,' with some scenes that were > > clipped from the US release (about 9 minutes?). This release features the > > Jerry Goldsmith soundtrack. > > > > Regardless of what one's opinion may be regarding the different cut and > > soundtracks, it's great to have both in one place. I am pretty pleased with > > the set overall. > > > > I also got the new 'Luminous Visions' DVD. I've yet to open up this package, > > but I expect good things. I bought the VHS version a couple years back, when > > it was first released. DVD is so much better in so many ways. I can hardly > > wait! > > > > For those who don't yet know, both these puppies are now available. > > > > I'd love to see some other TD material released on DVD some day. It'd be > > great if the TD gang, both present and past, were to put together what > > footage there is of concerts, trips, studio sessions, etc. from the past 30 > > years or so, all onto one well-done DVD. In the interviews on the 'Legend' > > DVD, there was a lot of good background information. Pretty interesting to > > watch, I thought. Lots of stuff I did not know. But there were also comments > > lamenting 'things lost.' Physical stuff, film, props, instruments, photos, > > etc. don't last forever. Neither do the memories of those fine people who > > were THERE. DVD is another chance, and a good one, to get some of these > > rarities in one place for all time. > > > > James Horecka > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34385 AW: [tadream] Re: 'Legend' DVD; also: 'Luminous V Herbert Tue 6/18/2002 7 KB From: 'Owens, James' Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 10:04 pm Subject: 'Luminous Visions' DVD vs. 'Planetary Traveller' DVD I don't have Infinity's Child, but I assume it is similar to Planetary Traveller. I have Luminous Visions and Planetary Traveller. They are both in 'Mind's Eye' genre, but have evolved in different directions. Planetary Traveller actually attempts to tell a story of sorts, and has some consistency. Also, it is obvious that the music was written SPECIFICALLY for the images. Luminous Visions is closer to the style of early music/cgi videos, having several shorter segments with no attempt to tie them together. Also, the graphics are timed well with the music, but it is obvious there was no special effort put forth on the music side. All the music is previously released, and where the original piece is longer than the animation, the music just fades off, not always at good breaking points. If a little effort had been put forth to create edits of the required length it would have sounded better. Still, the whole is enjoyable, and most people that visit my house (non-TD folks mostly) prefer Luminous over Planetary, because the music is more upbeat and the shorter segments match people's attention span better. The visuals are much more abstract than anything in PT. I personally prefer PT though, if for no other reason than I'm a sci-fi NUT, and this is a sci-fi story (in pictures). I absolutely LOVE the music as well. Haslinger borrows heavily from Franke's B5 style (Franke and Berlin Symphonic Film Orchestra both appear in the credits), but takes a hard-edged departure that has definite hints of 'World Without Rules'. Also to be heard is some excellent guitar in the style of Paul Speer (who also gets a nod in the credits). I'd like to see a Speer/Haslinger collaboration sometime. (or a real Franke/Haslinger collaboration for that matter...) James (the other James) -----Original Message----- From: 'dreamsector' > How does the imagery on L.M. compare to Infinity's Child? Abstract > color imagery? From: 'Herbert' Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 10:34 pm Subject: AW: [tadream] Re: 'Legend' DVD; also: 'Luminous Visions' DVD my 2 cents too: - i own the 'luminous visions' (including the cd) and think it's worth buying to: - complete your collection - see some 3d graphics that are several yours old. todays i would expect such graphics by the best of the freeware 3d screensavers keeping in mind the age of the video it is okay talking about DVDs with TD music (music dvds): - the worst (only my personal opinion) is 'video dream mixes' i think i've payed for a quite poor holiday video of the froese family with false (altered) colors - i would consider/select 'what a blast' as the best one i have (maybe i'm a pyro in mind :)) ) - 2nd choice would be OASIS (only my personal opinions) Herbert > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > Von: Administrator for kay-net.com [mailto:admin@k...] > Gesendet: Dienstag, 18. Juni 2002 23:33 > An: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Betreff: Re: [tadream] Re: 'Legend' DVD; also: 'Luminous Visions' DVD > > > my 2 cents in > the dvd I have does not have a cd. only dvd and the images > are very well > done especially considering the time it was made. I would > consider it a must > have if you are into TD items with some imagery. > > dale > > Administrator for Kay-Net.com > admin@k... > 661-723-0266 > Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'dreamsector' > To: > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 2:29 PM > Subject: [tadream] Re: 'Legend' DVD; also: 'Luminous Visions' DVD > > > > James... does the Luminous Visions dvd include a separate cd of just > > the soundtrack? > > > > How does the imagery on L.M. compare to Infinity's Child? Abstract > > color imagery? > > > > Just wondering whether I should pick this up if I come across it. I > > have a cd promo version of the music that I picked up at a used > > 'record' store. > > > > > > --- In tadream@y..., 'James Horecka, AIA' wrote: > > > Well, I received the Legend DVD set for Father's Day. > Supercedes my VHS > > > version. > > > > > > I must say, it's pretty kewl. Two DVDs. One the US > release, with lots of > > > goodies like TD soundtrack ONLY over the movie as it > plays (no dialog or > > > sound effects). Interviews with production team, > director, cast members, > > > etc., including opinions about what happened with the > different cuts, > > > soundtracks, etc., some discussion of the fire that > destroyed the sound > > > stage, story boards, some missing scenes, promo photos, > Brian Ferry > music > > > video, etc. Wild. > > > > > > The other DVD disc has the 'Director's Cut,' with some > scenes that were > > > clipped from the US release (about 9 minutes?). This > release features > the > > > Jerry Goldsmith soundtrack. > > > > > > Regardless of what one's opinion may be regarding the > different cut and > > > soundtracks, it's great to have both in one place. I am > pretty pleased > with > > > the set overall. > > > > > > I also got the new 'Luminous Visions' DVD. I've yet to > open up this > package, > > > but I expect good things. I bought the VHS version a > couple years back, > when > > > it was first released. DVD is so much better in so many > ways. I can > hardly > > > wait! > > > > > > For those who don't yet know, both these puppies are now > available. > > > > > > I'd love to see some other TD material released on DVD > some day. It'd be > > > great if the TD gang, both present and past, were to put > together what > > > footage there is of concerts, trips, studio sessions, > etc. from the past > 30 > > > years or so, all onto one well-done DVD. In the interviews on the > 'Legend' > > > DVD, there was a lot of good background information. > Pretty interesting > to > > > watch, I thought. Lots of stuff I did not know. But there > were also > comments > > > lamenting 'things lost.' Physical stuff, film, props, instruments, > photos, > > > etc. don't last forever. Neither do the memories of those > fine people > who > > > were THERE. DVD is another chance, and a good one, to get > some of these > > > rarities in one place for all time. > > > > > > James Horecka > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Wed Jun 19, 2002 12:31 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: EMUSIC Playlist #273 ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Morgan Feldon' > When is DIY going to get webcasting so we can listen to this show? I know > not everything can be webcast due to the RIAA's monopolistic control over > distribution made into law recently, but the things on your program could > be webcast, no? > > Shoutcast server is free and very easy to set up on Windows. Anyone with > Winamp would then be able to tune in by pressing Ctrl-L and typing in your > address. Hi Morgan, That issue is being worked. But it takes money which is in tight supply at our little, member supported radio station. Care to make a donation? (Secure pledging at http://wdiyfm.org works just fine!) Thank you for your interest in EMUSIC. Cheers, Bill Next year in Mojave!!! From: Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid Date: Wed Jun 19, 2002 4:13 pm Subject: OT: Record industry now wants royalties on USED CDs! http://news.dmusic.com/article/4942 This is getting really sad. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34390 Re: OT: Record industry now wants royalties on US Wade Gordon Wed 6/19/2002 2 KB 34392 Re: OT: Record industry now wants royalties on US Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid Wed 6/19/2002 3 KB From: 'James Horecka, AIA' Date: Wed Jun 19, 2002 7:29 pm Subject: RE: TD Luminous Visions DVD, etc. Note that I have EDITED DOWN!! (Sheesh) First off: The 'Luminous Visions' DVD I have came with the free soundtrack-only CD, just as the video set did some years back. The CGI is outstanding (for its time, especially). Some of it is really mind-bending and weird. I don't know anything about 'Infinity's Child.' Can't comment on that. I have 'Planetary Traveler.' That's pretty good. I agree with Herbert's assessment in general. There is no doubt that the 'What a Blast' video tops my list. Fun to watch, and the music is, I think, very well matched to the scenes, topic and themes. Everyone who's seen it at my place has been glued to the tube, enjoying both the video and the tunes. Well done. The videos 'Oasis' and 'Canyon Dreams' are also favorites. These don't hold the audience like WaB, but still good. Gorgeous photography in both. Music good in both, seems fairly well coordinated. 'What a Blast' is a must-have. Get the whole 'boxed set' of demolition videos if you can (the others, though, are regular demolition videos, the kind you see on the Discovery Channel or whatever; no TD ST). I'm still forming an opinion on the TD vs JG STs on 'Legend.' After seeing the Director's Cut once through, I'd say I'm leaning to the JG side. Seems more fitting and appropriate. However, if it's true that TD only had two or three weeks to put together their ST, well I'd say that's pretty dang amazing. I've long been a fan of Christopher Franke's soundtrack work. His original B-5 ST is what got me turned on to him, and then to TD. I think his ST work for B-5 is outstanding all around. Sometimes TD's ST work seems really thrown together. Nowhere is this more apparent, IMHO, than in 'Wavelength.' I don't know what the hell was going on there. Man, is it ever cut up. And I don't know which came first, the songs or the clips, 'cause I haven't sat down to figure it out (nor will I). Listening to the ST on the video or on the CD, you'll hear several familiar tunes, sorta 'excerpted.' The question in my mind is whether these were the 'seeds' of future songs, or whether they were 'clips' from existing songs, or a combination of both. In any event, 'Bleah!' Again, I am just a User, man. I don't know a thing about music. So my opinion has little or no value, and I fully acknowledge that. James Horecka Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34389 AW: [tadream] RE: TD Luminous Visions DVD, etc. Herbert Wed 6/19/2002 2 KB From: 'Herbert' Date: Wed Jun 19, 2002 7:46 pm Subject: AW: [tadream] RE: TD Luminous Visions DVD, etc. > There is no doubt that the 'What a Blast' video tops my list. > Fun to watch, > and the music is, I think, very well matched to the scenes, topic and > themes. Everyone who's seen it at my place has been glued to the tube, > enjoying both the video and the tunes. Well done. > To Europeans and others Non-Americans: Although mailorder companies like CDNOW state the 'what a blast' DVD would have region code 1, my player plays it fine (my player isn't region code free). Therefore i assume it is region code 0. They seem to list region code 1 for all their DVDs just preventive. Herbert From: Wade Gordon Date: Wed Jun 19, 2002 8:51 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Record industry now wants royalties on USED CDs! It ain't nerver going to happen. Because the used stores have the same bookeepers as Enron. Wade --- Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid wrote: > http://news.dmusic.com/article/4942 > > This is getting really sad. > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From: Liondream@a... Date: Wed Jun 19, 2002 9:03 pm Subject: Luminous, P.T. and Infinity The imagery on Infinity's Child starts off where P.T. left off and then becomes more abstract. A lot of animation of textures, going inside of volumetric objects, etc. The music is good too, I think. What's fun about the DVD is that it includes a demo copy of Bryce along with several scene files. <<>> From: Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid Date: Wed Jun 19, 2002 9:40 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Record industry now wants royalties on USED CDs! Greedy fuckin bastards, is what they are! Wade Gordon wrote: > It ain't nerver going to happen. > > Because the used stores have the same bookeepers as > Enron. > > Wade > --- Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid > wrote: > > http://news.dmusic.com/article/4942 > > > > This is getting really sad. > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: > > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Admin' Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 2:18 am Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Legend' DVD; also: 'Luminous Visions' DVD Checked my stack of CD's. I pulled the sound track CD out. So yes the DVD does have a CD sound track with it. I still say it is worth the buy. Dale From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 2:56 am Subject: Steve Roach and Paul Ellis Live in Portland Oregon June 29th Steve Roach and Paul Ellis will be presenting: An Evening of Visionary Electronic Music Saturday June 29th, Portland Oregon at the Aladdin Theater. Tickets are available now from www.ticketmaster.com for $17.95 Internationally renowned electronic innovator Steve Roach makes his first solo appearance in Portland's beautiful Aladdin Theater on June 29th, 7:00PM. Opening the concert will be Portland's own accomplished longtime electronic artist Paul Ellis who's dynamic and melodic sounds heard on his most recent 'Into the Liquid Unknown' (Hypnos/Binary) which has brought accolades worldwide and placed in several top twenty essential release lists of 2001. Both artists work in a solo setting building from myriad of instruments. Roach is well known for the his magical concerts that feature an organic-electronic blending from didgeridoos to digital synthesizers along with extensive sound processing in the moment. As one of the few electronic-based artists performing live consistently for over 20 years, Roach's engagements have taken him from concert halls in the United States, Canada, and Europe, to lava caves in the Canary Islands and volcanic craters in Mexico. These exotic settings have helped him further shape his art form, a sonic vision that thrives in a sphere beyond categories, national boundaries, cultural barriers, and quite often, time itself. Paul Ellis has been recording and releasing music in both solo and group settings for a dozen years and was a founding member of Dweller at the Threshold, an electronic trio who tapped into the roots of European E lectronic music. His solo sound has evolved into an artful combination of intriguing sound creation, highly crafted melodic forms and interwoven rhythmic patterns. This rare concert at the Aladdin will offer an exciting look into the live sound worlds of these 2 diverse electronic artists. It's the music born of imagination, rich in its ability to conjure visual imagery and inspire the creative mind. From: 'John Marchington' Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 6:55 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Steve Roach and Paul Ellis Live in Portland Oregon June 29th This sounds like a great concert in prospect, as both artists rate highly with me. Is a recording planned? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 2:56 PM Subject: [tadream] Steve Roach and Paul Ellis Live in Portland Oregon June 29th > Steve Roach and Paul Ellis will be presenting: > An Evening of Visionary Electronic Music > Saturday June 29th, Portland Oregon at the Aladdin Theater. > Tickets are available now from www.ticketmaster.com for $17.95 > > Internationally renowned electronic innovator Steve Roach makes his first > solo appearance in Portland's beautiful Aladdin Theater on June 29th, 7:00PM. > > > Opening the concert will be Portland's own accomplished longtime electronic > artist Paul Ellis who's dynamic and melodic sounds heard on his most recent > 'Into the Liquid Unknown' (Hypnos/Binary) which has brought accolades > worldwide and > placed in several top twenty essential release lists of 2001. > > Both artists work in a solo setting building from myriad of instruments. > Roach is well known for the his magical concerts that feature an > organic-electronic blending from didgeridoos to digital synthesizers along > with extensive sound processing in the moment. As one of the few > electronic-based artists performing live consistently for over 20 years, > Roach's engagements have taken him from concert halls in the United States, > Canada, and Europe, to lava caves in the Canary Islands and volcanic craters > in Mexico. These exotic settings have helped him further shape his art form, > a sonic vision that thrives in a sphere beyond categories, national > boundaries, cultural barriers, and quite often, time itself. > > Paul Ellis has been recording and releasing music in both solo and group > settings for a dozen years and was a founding member of Dweller at the > Threshold, an electronic trio who tapped into the roots of European E > lectronic music. His solo sound has evolved into an artful combination of > intriguing sound creation, highly crafted melodic forms and interwoven > rhythmic patterns. This rare concert at the Aladdin will offer an exciting > look into the live sound worlds of these 2 diverse electronic artists. It's > the music born of imagination, rich in its ability to conjure visual imagery > and inspire the creative mind. > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34396 Re: Steve Roach and Paul Ellis Live in Portland O Synthhtnys@a... Thu 6/20/2002 2 KB From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 7:39 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Steve Roach and Paul Ellis Live in Portland Oregon June 29th In a message dated 6/20/02 12:25:38 AM Pacific Daylight Time, johnm@p... writes: << This sounds like a great concert in prospect, as both artists rate highly with me. Is a recording planned? >> *Thanks and yeah, it'll be recorded... I'll let the list know what happens w/it. BTW the self concious side of me wants to point out that I didn't write that press release... I'd be too embarrased to describe my music that way. Thanks for all the nice comments people!... Peace Poly From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 1:50 pm Subject: Kamikaze 1989 on TV For all who haven't seen it yet: ARD (Germany), Sunday June 23, 23:30 Kamikaze 1989 (Music: Edgar Froese) ARD is available un-encrypted on Astra cheers, klaus -- Klaus.Beschorner........................work....+49-7033-45683 Drosselweg.6............................fax.....+49-7033-45631 D-71120.Grafenau........................Mobile.+49-174 3157754 Germany.................................home....+49-7033-45142 ............................................http://www.caby.de From: Liondream@a... Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 4:12 pm Subject: live e.m. Now why don't we have something like this around here (Chicago)? There have to be enough people around here interested in e.m. to merit a concert or some sort of e.m. community! Concerts going on in Bethlehem, PA... Maybe it's time to move!!! <<>> Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34399 Re: live e.m. Administrator for kay-net.com Thu 6/20/2002 3 KB 34471 Re: live e.m. Bill Fox Mon 6/24/2002 4 KB 34476 Re: live e.m. Administrator for kay-net.com Mon 6/24/2002 5 KB 34527 Re: live e.m. Bill Fox Wed 6/26/2002 2 KB 34614 Re: live e.m. Harry Mon 7/1/2002 3 KB From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 4:23 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] live e.m. who are your promoters? What clubs do you have? The what type of music are they a catering too? dale Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 9:12 AM Subject: [tadream] live e.m. > Now why don't we have something like this around here (Chicago)? There have to be enough people around here interested in e.m. to merit a concert or some sort of e.m. community! > > Concerts going on in Bethlehem, PA... > > Maybe it's time to move!!! > > > << Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 22:56:38 EDT > From: Synthhtnys@a... > Subject: Steve Roach and Paul Ellis Live in Portland Oregon June 29th > > Steve Roach and Paul Ellis will be presenting: > An Evening of Visionary Electronic Music > Saturday June 29th, Portland Oregon at the Aladdin Theater. > Tickets are available now from www.ticketmaster.com for $17.95 > > Internationally renowned electronic innovator Steve Roach makes his first > solo appearance in Portland's beautiful Aladdin Theater on June 29th, 7:00PM.>>> > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'duncan mckee' Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 4:50 pm Subject: tyranny of beauty hi does anyone have a copy of tyranny of beauty on Miramar 09006-23046 for sale or trade, i thought i had this in my collection but it is a Columbian Record Club edition. please let me know Thank You. Duncan McKee tangram@t... www.tadream.co.uk www.tangerine-dream.co.uk ICQ 41739379 MSN Messenger dmckee20@h... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34401 Re: tyranny of beauty Administrator for kay-net.com Thu 6/20/2002 3 KB 34402 Re: tyranny of beauty Wade Gordon Thu 6/20/2002 4 KB From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 4:58 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] tyranny of beauty I might have two of these. If I remember right, they also have two different covers as well. I will try to remember this when I get home today to check. I also have a few CD's of Logos too. dale Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'duncan mckee' To: 'tangerinedream' ; Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 9:50 AM Subject: [tadream] tyranny of beauty > hi > does anyone have a copy of tyranny of beauty on Miramar 09006-23046 for sale or trade, i thought i had this in my collection but it is a Columbian Record Club edition. > please let me know > > Thank You. > > Duncan McKee > > tangram@t... > > www.tadream.co.uk > www.tangerine-dream.co.uk > ICQ 41739379 > MSN Messenger dmckee20@h... > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34402 Re: tyranny of beauty Wade Gordon Thu 6/20/2002 4 KB From: Wade Gordon Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 6:05 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] tyranny of beauty Yikes!!! I just got rid of two of them. But, it is easily tracked down. Wade --- 'Administrator for kay-net.com' wrote: > I might have two of these. If I remember right, they > also have two different > covers as well. I will try to remember this when I > get home today to check. > I also have a few CD's of Logos too. > > dale > > Administrator for Kay-Net.com > admin@k... > 661-723-0266 > Your best source for Computer Products, Internet > needs and Knowledge. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'duncan mckee' > To: 'tangerinedream' > ; > > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 9:50 AM > Subject: [tadream] tyranny of beauty > > > > hi > > does anyone have a copy of tyranny of beauty on > Miramar 09006-23046 for > sale or trade, i thought i had this in my collection > but it is a Columbian > Record Club edition. > > please let me know > > > > Thank You. > > > > Duncan McKee > > > > tangram@t... > > > > www.tadream.co.uk > > www.tangerine-dream.co.uk > > ICQ 41739379 > > MSN Messenger dmckee20@h... > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From: Joe Shoults Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 7:08 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 2 signup: notes from the Tree organi zers no- that's good on-list info. a lot of TT people are signing up to be DOWNloaders, so this is pertinent. the people running the ftp servers will determine their own guidelines with their trade recipients, although we will be helping each other. (I'm going to try to learn how to set up ftp from my home too) As I understand it, although your specific IP changes periodically (my cab;e connection does), it will still be part of a block of IP numbers specific to your ISP. The main idea is to keep out the hackers and sniffers (automatic programs that 'sniff' around for an open port to invade your computer) but leave it open for our own people. We use something called a 'firewall' to do this. HTH, Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Herbert [mailto:gae@g...] > Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 6:56 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: AW: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 2 signup: notes from the Tree > organi zers > > > ups. > > Joe wrote: > > > > Something I should add about DOWNloading SHns via FTP: > > To prevent mailicious attacks on the FTP servers, you may be > > required to > > supply your IP address, sothe FTP manager can specifiacally > > 'let you in'. > > > > Joe > > > > Some of us (like me) have varying IP addresses (the address varies per > connect to internet). > Such a mechanism would restrict use to guys who got fixed IPs > from their > ISPs. > > Herbert From: Morgan Feldon Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 8:17 pm Subject: TD Tree #2 Downloading >The main idea is to keep out the hackers and sniffers (automatic >programs that 'sniff' around for an open port to invade your computer) but >leave it open for our own people. We use something called a 'firewall' to >do this. I use something called a login and password to do this. -Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34405 Re: TD Tree #2 Downloading Administrator for kay-net.com Thu 6/20/2002 3 KB 34406 Re: TD Tree #2 Downloading Matthew Stringer Thu 6/20/2002 3 KB 34407 Re: TD Tree #2 Downloading Paul Fellows Thu 6/20/2002 3 KB 34409 Re: TD Tree #2 Downloading PERGAMON Thu 6/20/2002 4 KB 34412 Re: TD Tree #2 Downloading Administrator for kay-net.com Thu 6/20/2002 4 KB 34413 Re: TD Tree #2 Downloading Administrator for kay-net.com Thu 6/20/2002 4 KB 34414 Re: TD Tree #2 Downloading PERGAMON Thu 6/20/2002 4 KB 34415 Re: TD Tree #2 Downloading PERGAMON Thu 6/20/2002 4 KB 34416 Re: TD Tree #2 Downloading Matthew Stringer Fri 6/21/2002 5 KB From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 8:41 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD Tree #2 Downloading works sometimes seems my little attackers use back doors and other nifty things to probe and enter... hence why I only allow certain IP now for those I wish. Another side effect is being able to control the bandwidth a bit better. One knows who and when to expect on the server. If the login/pw is working for you, that is great. I just got some other folks messing around a bi tmore than I care. I am not ready to toss the static address I have and redo a server farm yet with new address plus the paper work that goes with that. dale Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Morgan Feldon' To: Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 1:17 PM Subject: [tadream] TD Tree #2 Downloading > > >The main idea is to keep out the hackers and sniffers (automatic > >programs that 'sniff' around for an open port to invade your computer) but > >leave it open for our own people. We use something called a 'firewall' to > >do this. > > I use something called a login and password to do this. > > -Morgan > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Matthew Stringer' Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 8:43 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] TD Tree #2 Downloading Sounds complicated, what is a password and is it compatible with Windows? -----Original Message----- From: Morgan Feldon [mailto:feldon@f...] Sent: 20 June 2002 21:17 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] TD Tree #2 Downloading >The main idea is to keep out the hackers and sniffers (automatic >programs that 'sniff' around for an open port to invade your computer) but >leave it open for our own people. We use something called a 'firewall' to >do this. I use something called a login and password to do this. -Morgan ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34407 Re: TD Tree #2 Downloading Paul Fellows Thu 6/20/2002 3 KB From: Paul Fellows Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 8:53 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD Tree #2 Downloading Haha :-) Well said! a Mac user on 20/06/02 22:43, Matthew Stringer at qube@f... wrote: > Sounds complicated, what is a password and is it compatible with > Windows? > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Morgan Feldon [mailto:feldon@f...] > Sent: 20 June 2002 21:17 > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] TD Tree #2 Downloading > > >> The main idea is to keep out the hackers and sniffers (automatic >> programs that 'sniff' around for an open port to invade your computer) > but >> leave it open for our own people. We use something called a 'firewall' > to >> do this. > > I use something called a login and password to do this. > > -Morgan > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Joe Shoults Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 9:24 pm Subject: anyone in myrtle beach? I'll be in Myrtle Beach from June 2 - July 1. anyone local there? glad to toss a brew or two down with you if so. From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 9:10 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD Tree #2 Downloading Having a firewall, is to some degree a false security......................it stops the unexperienced 'hackers', but the real hackers know precisely where to enter your computer. Regards Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' To: Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 10:41 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] TD Tree #2 Downloading > works sometimes > seems my little attackers use back doors and other nifty things to probe and > enter... hence why I only allow certain IP now for those I wish. > Another side effect is being able to control the bandwidth a bit better. One > knows who and when to expect on the server. > If the login/pw is working for you, that is great. I just got some other > folks messing around a bi tmore than I care. I am not ready to toss the > static address I have and redo a server farm yet with new address plus the > paper work that goes with that. > > dale > > Administrator for Kay-Net.com > admin@k... > 661-723-0266 > Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Morgan Feldon' > To: > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 1:17 PM > Subject: [tadream] TD Tree #2 Downloading > > > > > > >The main idea is to keep out the hackers and sniffers (automatic > > >programs that 'sniff' around for an open port to invade your computer) > but > > >leave it open for our own people. We use something called a 'firewall' to > > >do this. > > > > I use something called a login and password to do this. > > > > -Morgan > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Joe Shoults Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 9:49 pm Subject: OT: RE: [tadream] TD Tree #2 Downloading you're right. but there's probably nothing of interest on my computer to the people who really know what they're doing anyway. the only interesting stuff they can get through WinMX. I installed a firewall before I attached my cable modem, and as soon as I established the connection, my firewall lit up like a christmas tree. I was getting sniffed and pinged left and right. I changed my notification settings (no to all), so I don't get popups each time, but I'm sure it's still happening. Whether these are novice hackers using pedestrian sniffers I wouldn't know, but I do feel warm and fuzzy behind my firewall. (that's not a challenge to hack me!!) ;-) J > -----Original Message----- > From: PERGAMON [mailto:pergamon@g...] > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 5:10 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] TD Tree #2 Downloading > > > Having a firewall, is to some degree a false > security......................it stops the unexperienced > 'hackers', but the real hackers know precisely where to enter > your computer. > > Regards > Jan > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34411 AW: RE: [tadream] TD Tree #2 Downloading Herbert Thu 6/20/2002 3 KB From: 'Herbert' Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 9:47 pm Subject: AW: RE: [tadream] TD Tree #2 Downloading Joe said: > I installed a firewall before I attached my cable modem, and > as soon as I > established the connection, my firewall lit up like a > christmas tree. I was > getting sniffed and pinged left and right. I changed my notification > settings (no to all), so I don't get popups each time, but > I'm sure it's > still happening. Whether these are novice hackers using > pedestrian sniffers > I wouldn't know, but I do feel warm and fuzzy behind my > firewall. (that's > not a challenge to hack me!!) ;-) > > it's just the white noise on the internet. poor, homeless data packets, yearning for some warm and fuzzy storage to feel comfortable, beeing left alone in the cold and the dark of the net by a cold-hearted firewall. yes. that's the pure truth and nothing besides it. :))) Herbert From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 9:55 pm Subject: Re: RE: [tadream] TD Tree #2 Downloading cool not to have anything there.. but I use my systems esp. for music and I like them to work when I ask them too. Hence why I am putting together just a system for FTP use. Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Joe Shoults' To: Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 2:49 PM Subject: OT: RE: [tadream] TD Tree #2 Downloading > you're right. but there's probably nothing of interest on my computer to > the people who really know what they're doing anyway. the only interesting > stuff they can get through WinMX. > > I installed a firewall before I attached my cable modem, and as soon as I > established the connection, my firewall lit up like a christmas tree. I was > getting sniffed and pinged left and right. I changed my notification > settings (no to all), so I don't get popups each time, but I'm sure it's > still happening. Whether these are novice hackers using pedestrian sniffers > I wouldn't know, but I do feel warm and fuzzy behind my firewall. (that's > not a challenge to hack me!!) ;-) > > J > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: PERGAMON [mailto:pergamon@g...] > > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 5:10 PM > > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [tadream] TD Tree #2 Downloading > > > > > > Having a firewall, is to some degree a false > > security......................it stops the unexperienced > > 'hackers', but the real hackers know precisely where to enter > > your computer. > > > > Regards > > Jan > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 9:57 pm Subject: Re: RE: [tadream] TD Tree #2 Downloading and the wee people are behind them their packets.... looking for a cozy home beside the hearth r.r.r.r.rrrrr me patch on me bad eye itches ponding these thoughts. dale Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Herbert' To: Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 2:47 PM Subject: AW: RE: [tadream] TD Tree #2 Downloading > Joe said: > > I installed a firewall before I attached my cable modem, and > > as soon as I > > established the connection, my firewall lit up like a > > christmas tree. I was > > getting sniffed and pinged left and right. I changed my notification > > settings (no to all), so I don't get popups each time, but > > I'm sure it's > > still happening. Whether these are novice hackers using > > pedestrian sniffers > > I wouldn't know, but I do feel warm and fuzzy behind my > > firewall. (that's > > not a challenge to hack me!!) ;-) > > > > > it's just the white noise on the internet. > > poor, homeless data packets, yearning for some warm and fuzzy storage to > feel comfortable, beeing left alone in the cold and the dark of the net by a > cold-hearted firewall. > > yes. that's the pure truth and nothing besides it. :))) > > Herbert > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 10:03 pm Subject: Re: RE: [tadream] TD Tree #2 Downloading I am sorry if I sounded negative to having a firewall. that was not my intention. I have one myself. But I was recently made aware of the big holes in a firewall, by a friend. Hehe.....I wouldn't know how to hack your computer anyway...............OOohhh, by the way I removed the 4 XXX-movies on your HD............=O) Regards Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Joe Shoults' To: Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 11:49 PM Subject: OT: RE: [tadream] TD Tree #2 Downloading > you're right. but there's probably nothing of interest on my computer to > the people who really know what they're doing anyway. the only interesting > stuff they can get through WinMX. > > I installed a firewall before I attached my cable modem, and as soon as I > established the connection, my firewall lit up like a christmas tree. I was > getting sniffed and pinged left and right. I changed my notification > settings (no to all), so I don't get popups each time, but I'm sure it's > still happening. Whether these are novice hackers using pedestrian sniffers > I wouldn't know, but I do feel warm and fuzzy behind my firewall. (that's > not a challenge to hack me!!) ;-) > > J > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: PERGAMON [mailto:pergamon@g...] > > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 5:10 PM > > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [tadream] TD Tree #2 Downloading > > > > > > Having a firewall, is to some degree a false > > security......................it stops the unexperienced > > 'hackers', but the real hackers know precisely where to enter > > your computer. > > > > Regards > > Jan > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 10:05 pm Subject: Re: RE: [tadream] TD Tree #2 Downloading UUUuuuhhhhhh.....You big scawy piwat..............hehehehehehehe ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' To: Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 11:57 PM Subject: Re: RE: [tadream] TD Tree #2 Downloading > and the wee people are behind them their packets.... > looking for a cozy home beside the hearth > > r.r.r.r.rrrrr me patch on me bad eye itches ponding these thoughts. > > dale > > > > Administrator for Kay-Net.com > admin@k... > 661-723-0266 > Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Herbert' > To: > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 2:47 PM > Subject: AW: RE: [tadream] TD Tree #2 Downloading > > > > Joe said: > > > I installed a firewall before I attached my cable modem, and > > > as soon as I > > > established the connection, my firewall lit up like a > > > christmas tree. I was > > > getting sniffed and pinged left and right. I changed my notification > > > settings (no to all), so I don't get popups each time, but > > > I'm sure it's > > > still happening. Whether these are novice hackers using > > > pedestrian sniffers > > > I wouldn't know, but I do feel warm and fuzzy behind my > > > firewall. (that's > > > not a challenge to hack me!!) ;-) > > > > > > > > it's just the white noise on the internet. > > > > poor, homeless data packets, yearning for some warm and fuzzy storage to > > feel comfortable, beeing left alone in the cold and the dark of the net by > a > > cold-hearted firewall. > > > > yes. that's the pure truth and nothing besides it. :))) > > > > Herbert > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Matthew Stringer' Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 8:23 am Subject: Re: RE: [tadream] TD Tree #2 Downloading It depends on how you've set everything up as to how secure it is. I use a Linux box with IPTables as a firewall, there is no way you're getting through it unless I want you to. Matt If you want to set up a secure FTP server then Linux or BSD are your best bets free and very secure. Microsoft is good but the whole open-source world targets their hackers at it and when they find something they tell everyone about it. Macs are not really suitable for anything other than as a desktop. just my $0.02 Matt ----- Original Message ----- From: 'PERGAMON' To: Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 11:03 PM Subject: Re: RE: [tadream] TD Tree #2 Downloading > I am sorry if I sounded negative to having a firewall. that was not my intention. I have one myself. But I was recently made aware of the big holes in a firewall, by a friend. > > Hehe.....I wouldn't know how to hack your computer anyway...............OOohhh, by the way I removed the 4 XXX-movies on your HD............=O) > > Regards > Jan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Joe Shoults' > To: > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 11:49 PM > Subject: OT: RE: [tadream] TD Tree #2 Downloading > > > > you're right. but there's probably nothing of interest on my computer to > > the people who really know what they're doing anyway. the only interesting > > stuff they can get through WinMX. > > > > I installed a firewall before I attached my cable modem, and as soon as I > > established the connection, my firewall lit up like a christmas tree. I was > > getting sniffed and pinged left and right. I changed my notification > > settings (no to all), so I don't get popups each time, but I'm sure it's > > still happening. Whether these are novice hackers using pedestrian sniffers > > I wouldn't know, but I do feel warm and fuzzy behind my firewall. (that's > > not a challenge to hack me!!) ;-) > > > > J > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: PERGAMON [mailto:pergamon@g...] > > > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 5:10 PM > > > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: Re: [tadream] TD Tree #2 Downloading > > > > > > > > > Having a firewall, is to some degree a false > > > security......................it stops the unexperienced > > > 'hackers', but the real hackers know precisely where to enter > > > your computer. > > > > > > Regards > > > Jan > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > From: 'Bruce A. Crichton' Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 3:14 pm Subject: Soundmill Navigator Is this album any good? It's upposed to be from 1976. From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 3:21 pm Subject: FW: Tangerine Tree #2 oops - meant to cc: the list. > excellent! thank you; that's exactly what is intended by having it at > yahoogroups. i'm checking you messages against the database > anyway, and > when we 'close' the preliminary signup and begin assigning > branches, I'll > lock down the database, and from that point, only moderators will make > changes. but this works great for people to get in to the tree. > > Joe > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: deibu1972 [mailto:deibu@i...] > > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 7:36 PM > > To: jshoults@f... > > Subject: Tangerine Tree #2 > > > > > > Hi Joe, > > > > For some reason, I'm not receiving messages from the list > lately. I > > checked my status and it looks like I should be getting them, but > > whatever. > > > > Anyway, I went into the database and added an entry for myself since > > I > > wanted to participate. I hope this is okay. If I was too late or > > did > > it incorrectly, just let me know. Thank you. > > > > Dave B. > > > From: Armin Theissen Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 3:39 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Soundmill Navigator Its a concert from '76 but released last year (I think). However, its highly 'tangentized' (i.e. the Froeses played a bit along while remixing), and has a really annoying bug on it (soundin like a radial scratch on a vinyl) a. > > Is this album any good? > > It's upposed to be from 1976. > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 3:58 pm Subject: Re: RE: [tadream] TD Tree #2 Downloading a man after my heart... But I learned not to be so harsh about Mac's. (Psst.. Don't tell anyone but I really really hate them, I just don't mention them to avoid the chatter about them afterward, they do have their uses other the catfish weight I normally use them for). The very thought of Open Source leads one to peek and poke thru the code to find that little backdoor and special issue where one can get in. I deal with Linux and other stuff on a personal level, never business or critical. I have been having a hard time with Linux and music software. I find I no longer have the time to spend on a hobby OS like Linux, to use it for the things I do musically. Don't get me wrong, I am not opposed to experimenting with different OS's, I just no longer have that time to spend getting it all to work then remembering what the heck I did later on when it is time to redo or compile another program I want to use. I leave you with this thought. Every Lock has a Key. That key might not be exactly what was intended to open the lock. dale Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Matthew Stringer' To: Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 1:23 AM Subject: Re: RE: [tadream] TD Tree #2 Downloading > It depends on how you've set everything up as to how secure it is. > > I use a Linux box with IPTables as a firewall, there is no way you're > getting through it unless I want you to. > > Matt > > If you want to set up a secure FTP server then Linux or BSD are your best > bets free and very secure. > > Microsoft is good but the whole open-source world targets their hackers at > it and when they find something they tell everyone about it. > > Macs are not really suitable for anything other than as a desktop. > > just my $0.02 > > Matt > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'PERGAMON' > To: > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 11:03 PM > Subject: Re: RE: [tadream] TD Tree #2 Downloading > > > > I am sorry if I sounded negative to having a firewall. that was not my > intention. I have one myself. But I was recently made aware of the big holes > in a firewall, by a friend. > > > > Hehe.....I wouldn't know how to hack your computer > anyway...............OOohhh, by the way I removed the 4 XXX-movies on your > HD............=O) > > > > Regards > > Jan > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: 'Joe Shoults' > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 11:49 PM > > Subject: OT: RE: [tadream] TD Tree #2 Downloading > > > > > > > you're right. but there's probably nothing of interest on my computer > to > > > the people who really know what they're doing anyway. the only > interesting > > > stuff they can get through WinMX. > > > > > > I installed a firewall before I attached my cable modem, and as soon as > I > > > established the connection, my firewall lit up like a christmas tree. I > was > > > getting sniffed and pinged left and right. I changed my notification > > > settings (no to all), so I don't get popups each time, but I'm sure it's > > > still happening. Whether these are novice hackers using pedestrian > sniffers > > > I wouldn't know, but I do feel warm and fuzzy behind my firewall. > (that's > > > not a challenge to hack me!!) ;-) > > > > > > J > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: PERGAMON [mailto:pergamon@g...] > > > > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 5:10 PM > > > > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > > > > Subject: Re: [tadream] TD Tree #2 Downloading > > > > > > > > > > > > Having a firewall, is to some degree a false > > > > security......................it stops the unexperienced > > > > 'hackers', but the real hackers know precisely where to enter > > > > your computer. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Jan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 4:55 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 2 signup: notes from the Tree organi zers hi cristian- we will contact all DOWN recipients when the time comes with the appropriate instructions and contact info. Thanks, Joe -----Original Message----- From: Christian Villazón Hello, where do we have to specify the IP? Thanks Christian From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 5:19 pm Subject: RE: new tree member Hi Heiko and Volker! Volker was already in there, but with a different e-mail address. I changed it, but you can also add and change records yourself at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/database you can either 'Add Record' to add someone to the tree, or click 'Edit' to change current settings for a record that already exists. I'm cc:ing the list as an FYI. please note that the databses on tadream.net are NOT the updated ones, and I'll fix that when I get back. thanks ,joe -----Original Message----- From: Heiko Heerssen To: Joe Shoults Sent: 6/21/02 1:12 AM Subject: new tree member > Hello Joe! > could you please do me a favour by adding the following person to your > Tree database: > > Name: Volker Hirsch > Country: Germany > email: volker.hirsch@a... > Position: leaf From: Morgan Feldon Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 4:56 pm Subject: Re: Soundmill Navigator >From: 'Bruce A. Crichton' >Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 3:14 pm >Subject: Soundmill Navigator > > >Is this album any good? > >It's upposed to be from 1976. It is a very poor quality copy of the 1976.06.27 Philharmonic, Berlin concert. Also, be aware that Edgar drowns out the original concert music several times with new 2000 sounds played on top of it. The result is a dischordant mess. Also, ~10 minutes of new solo ambient type music have been added to it. The actual concert was 30 minutes; Soundmill is 40 minutes long. Sorry to say, the tape recording from the FM radio broadcast (available on the Tangerine Tree, an unofficial set of concerts), sounds better. -Morgan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Matthew Stringer' Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 5:07 pm Subject: Re: RE: [tadream] TD Tree #2 Downloading > The very thought of Open Source leads one to peek and poke thru the code to > find that little backdoor and special issue where one can get in. I deal > with Linux and other stuff on a personal level, never business or critical. A common misconception! The fact that it's open source makes it more secure because rather than only being debugged by Redmond it's being debugged by the whole world. Why do you think there are about 10000 hacks, worms and viruses for Microsoft OS'es but none for Unix based systems. Open source software is used a lot more often in security aware companies than not. I would agree though that on the Desktop the software available for Linux is far, far behind. From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 5:05 pm Subject: Re: RE: [tadream] TD Tree #2 Downloading going off list for this response Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Matthew Stringer' To: Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 10:07 AM Subject: Re: RE: [tadream] TD Tree #2 Downloading > > The very thought of Open Source leads one to peek and poke thru the code > to > > find that little backdoor and special issue where one can get in. I deal > > with Linux and other stuff on a personal level, never business or > critical. > > > A common misconception! > > The fact that it's open source makes it more secure because rather than only > being debugged by Redmond it's being debugged by the whole world. > > Why do you think there are about 10000 hacks, worms and viruses for > Microsoft OS'es but none for Unix based systems. > > Open source software is used a lot more often in security aware companies > than not. > > I would agree though that on the Desktop the software available for Linux is > far, far behind. > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 5:29 pm Subject: [tree] TT status report hi folks. sorry for the redundant messages; I'm trying to clean out, inform and update as much as I can before I'm gone for 10 days. I'll probably not have access to e-mail, and have in fact, switched all my mail from yahoogroups to 'off'. TT1 is incomplete and needs maintenance. There are incomplete trades, some unresponsive participants and such, and I will assist in resolving these issues. I will do this when I get back. We are already taking steps to ensure a better outcome for TT2. Please note that TT2 is completely independent of TT1. You might have different suppliers and leaves. Your prior trades, incomplete or complete, will have nothing to do with TT2 assignments. TT2 is updated with new participants and all your messages that I've received. If you want to make changes to your status, please do so at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/database. TT2 BRANCHES: please be realistic about your ability to branch. I'm certainly not discouraging you from branching (quite the opposite!), but we UNDERSTAND that sometimes people bite off more than they can chew. Thanks! Joe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34428 Re: [tree] TT status report Administrator for kay-net.com Fri 6/21/2002 4 KB From: Mark Filipak Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 5:06 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Soundmill Navigator Morgan Feldon wrote: > > >From: 'Bruce A. Crichton' > >Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 3:14 pm > >Subject: Soundmill Navigator > > > > > >Is this album any good? > > > >It's upposed to be from 1976. > > It is a very poor quality copy of the 1976.06.27 Philharmonic, Berlin > concert. > > Also, be aware that Edgar drowns out the original concert music > several times with new 2000 sounds played on top of it. The result > is a dischordant mess. Also, ~10 minutes of new solo ambient type > music have been added to it. The actual concert was 30 minutes; > Soundmill is 40 minutes long. ... I'm with you on this one, Morgan. But it's worse. Edgar cut off the first 5 minutes (we're down to 25 minutes of actual concert), added his 13 minutes (actually) of aimless noodling, then speeded up the real show so that it ends 3 minutes earlier (we're down to 22 minutes of actual concert), and finally added another 5 minutes of his noodling to finish it off. > Sorry to say, the tape recording from the FM radio broadcast > (available on the Tangerine Tree, an unofficial set of concerts), > sounds better. Much better. Tangerine Tree Volume 8. Get it and get serious. Q: Does anyone else think that TT Vol.8 sounds a little bright? Ciao -- Mark From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 5:14 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] [tree] TT status report Gone for two weeks right? Will you be taking a laptop with ye? dale Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Joe Shoults' To: Cc: Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 10:29 AM Subject: [tadream] [tree] TT status report > hi folks. > sorry for the redundant messages; I'm trying to clean out, inform and update > as much as I can before I'm gone for 10 days. I'll probably not have access > to e-mail, and have in fact, switched all my mail from yahoogroups to 'off'. > > > TT1 is incomplete and needs maintenance. There are incomplete trades, some > unresponsive participants and such, and I will assist in resolving these > issues. I will do this when I get back. We are already taking steps to > ensure a better outcome for TT2. > > Please note that TT2 is completely independent of TT1. You might have > different suppliers and leaves. Your prior trades, incomplete or complete, > will have nothing to do with TT2 assignments. > > TT2 is updated with new participants and all your messages that I've > received. If you want to make changes to your status, please do so at > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/database. > > TT2 BRANCHES: please be realistic about your ability to branch. I'm > certainly not discouraging you from branching (quite the opposite!), but we > UNDERSTAND that sometimes people bite off more than they can chew. > > Thanks! > Joe > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 5:47 pm Subject: [tree] non-yahoo view of TT2 data http://www.tadream.net/tree/tt2/TT2.htm updated as of right now, for those of you having any difficulty in yahoogroups. From: 'convention24' Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 7:00 pm Subject: Awards for services to music industry. I sit back and chuckle to see the the individuals who are given awards for their so called services to the music industry,so called Techno GODS willingly accept their false attributes,its about time you unknowledgable music beaurocrats got your FACTS right,theres a guy whos given more to modern day music than any of the yellow tongued parasites of the music industry that i abour,hes put the Techno GODS where they are now,and never wavered to the wims of commercialism. ARISE the KING Edgar Froese,you are indeed a diamond in the history of musical world.Knight the Great man now Tony Blair. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34431 Re: Awards for services to music industry. Administrator for kay-net.com Fri 6/21/2002 3 KB 34432 Re: Awards for services to music industry. convention24 Fri 6/21/2002 3 KB 34434 Re: Awards for services to music industry. Administrator for kay-net.com Fri 6/21/2002 3 KB 34436 Re: Awards for services to music industry. Chris Owen Fri 6/21/2002 3 KB 34528 Rubycon Super Audio CD (SACD): worth the $50 ? Rainer Rutka Wed 6/26/2002 3 KB 34540 Re: Rubycon Super Audio CD (SACD): worth the $50 thomas b Wed 6/26/2002 4 KB 34437 Re: Awards for services to music industry. Administrator for kay-net.com Fri 6/21/2002 4 KB 34439 Re: Awards for services to music industry. Administrator for kay-net.com Fri 6/21/2002 2 KB 34441 Re: Awards for services to music industry. PERGAMON Fri 6/21/2002 3 KB From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 7:09 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Awards for services to music industry. Some say in other far off lists that Edgar has lost the magic given to him by the Gods. dale Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'convention24' To: Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 12:00 PM Subject: [tadream] Awards for services to music industry. > I sit back and chuckle to see the the individuals who are given > awards for their so called services to the music industry,so called > Techno GODS willingly accept their false attributes,its about time > you unknowledgable music beaurocrats got your FACTS right,theres a > guy whos given more to modern day music than any of the yellow tongued > parasites of the music industry that i abour,hes put the Techno GODS > where they are now,and never wavered to the wims of commercialism. > ARISE the KING Edgar Froese,you are indeed a diamond in the history > of musical world.Knight the Great man now Tony Blair. > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34432 Re: Awards for services to music industry. convention24 Fri 6/21/2002 3 KB From: 'convention24' Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 7:28 pm Subject: Re: Awards for services to music industry. --- In tadream@y..., 'Administrator for kay-net.com' wrote: > Some say in other far off lists that Edgar has lost the magic given to him > by the Gods. > > dale > > Administrator for Kay-Net.com > admin@k... > 661-723-0266 > Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'convention24' > To: > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 12:00 PM > Subject: [tadream] Awards for services to music industry. > I was waiting for that one,Complete SH***,the mans a Genius,and ALWAYS will be. > > > I sit back and chuckle to see the the individuals who are given > > awards for their so called services to the music industry,so called > > Techno GODS willingly accept their false attributes,its about time > > you unknowledgable music beaurocrats got your FACTS right,theres a > > guy whos given more to modern day music than any of the yellow tongued > > parasites of the music industry that i abour,hes put the Techno GODS > > where they are now,and never wavered to the wims of commercialism. > > ARISE the KING Edgar Froese,you are indeed a diamond in the history > > of musical world.Knight the Great man now Tony Blair. > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@y... > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 7:30 pm Subject: Moods Most will tell you when listening to TD, a certain mood maybe called up. Depends on the music. Now for those who create the music which ties back to TD, what mood do you think they where in when creating some of the tracks? Do you think the same mood is what is conveyed or intrepided by the listener? Dale Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34497 Moods Liondream@a... Tue 6/25/2002 3 KB 34595 Re: Moods Miguel Farah Sat 6/29/2002 2 KB 34499 Re: Moods Administrator for kay-net.com Tue 6/25/2002 5 KB From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 7:36 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Awards for services to music industry. I was waiting for that one,Complete SH***,the mans a Genius,and > ALWAYS will be. Yes he is. No arugement there. But still some say... here is a post for yea to ponder... ' umocheech@d... I haven't heard this release, but it doesn't seem Oldfield has completely lost all of his 'magic' the way Froese & Franke have. The last thing of Oldfield's I've heard, tho, was Tubular Bells 2. E-Man ----- Original Message ----- From: deoletus To: ElectronicMusic@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 12:30 PM Subject: [ElectronicMusic] Mike's new album. Hi. Just bought Mike Oldfield's new cd 'Tres Lunas' and I like it a lot. What do you think about it? /Deoletus ' Yes in the far off lists that reside in the relm of the all powerful net, some question Edgar. Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 7:59 pm Subject: last years cancelled concert This is what it took to get my funds back from the Ventura Theater... I had to drive there, wait for so and so who was with so and so who is out for lunch with so and so. After the so's made it back and manage to slip by me. I begin the whole process again... and guess what. I got my funds back. I had to make that personal appearance to get this over with. No calls, no letters, just show up in person and play a game. Isn't life funny? Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Sat Jun 22, 2002 4:29 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Awards for services to music industry. Knowing his philosophy regarding such things, I feel Edgar would laugh off any such awards coming his way, stating he doesn't do what he does to receive awards. He'd probably send Jerome along! - Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: convention24 To: Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 12:00 PM Subject: [tadream] Awards for services to music industry. > I sit back and chuckle to see the the individuals who are given > awards for their so called services to the music industry,so called > Techno GODS willingly accept their false attributes,its about time > you unknowledgable music beaurocrats got your FACTS right,theres a > guy whos given more to modern day music than any of the yellow tongued > parasites of the music industry that i abour,hes put the Techno GODS > where they are now,and never wavered to the wims of commercialism. > ARISE the KING Edgar Froese,you are indeed a diamond in the history > of musical world.Knight the Great man now Tony Blair. > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34528 Rubycon Super Audio CD (SACD): worth the $50 ? Rainer Rutka Wed 6/26/2002 3 KB 34540 Re: Rubycon Super Audio CD (SACD): worth the $50 thomas b Wed 6/26/2002 4 KB From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 8:40 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Awards for services to music industry. ;-) dale Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Chris Owen' To: Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 9:29 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Awards for services to music industry. > Knowing his philosophy regarding such things, I feel Edgar would laugh off > any such awards coming his way, stating he doesn't do what he does to > receive awards. He'd probably send Jerome along! > > - Chris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: convention24 > To: > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 12:00 PM > Subject: [tadream] Awards for services to music industry. > > > > I sit back and chuckle to see the the individuals who are given > > awards for their so called services to the music industry,so called > > Techno GODS willingly accept their false attributes,its about time > > you unknowledgable music beaurocrats got your FACTS right,theres a > > guy whos given more to modern day music than any of the yellow tongued > > parasites of the music industry that i abour,hes put the Techno GODS > > where they are now,and never wavered to the wims of commercialism. > > ARISE the KING Edgar Froese,you are indeed a diamond in the history > > of musical world.Knight the Great man now Tony Blair. > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Morgan Feldon Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 8:39 pm Subject: Edgar >Some say in other far off lists that Edgar has lost the magic given to him >by the Gods. > >dale No matter what Edgar does today, or in the last dozen years, I'll never forget what he did for TD's first 17. -Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34464 Re: Edgar braddito Mon 6/24/2002 2 KB From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 8:41 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Awards for services to music industry. Another way to look at it; How many bands are still kicking after 10 years? 20 years? 30 years? and more? The awards are nice but that isn't what made the music. dale Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. From: 'E Neal Frost' Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 8:46 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1383 >>Macs are not really suitable for anything other than as a >>desktop. You mean paperweight, don't you? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34444 Re: Digest Number 1383 quarlie@a... Fri 6/21/2002 2 KB From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 9:29 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Awards for services to music industry. Techno-musicians just took over where Edgar Froese failed.............................=O) Regards Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: 'convention24' To: Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 9:00 PM Subject: [tadream] Awards for services to music industry. > I sit back and chuckle to see the the individuals who are given > awards for their so called services to the music industry,so called > Techno GODS willingly accept their false attributes,its about time > you unknowledgable music beaurocrats got your FACTS right,theres a > guy whos given more to modern day music than any of the yellow tongued > parasites of the music industry that i abour,hes put the Techno GODS > where they are now,and never wavered to the wims of commercialism. > ARISE the KING Edgar Froese,you are indeed a diamond in the history > of musical world.Knight the Great man now Tony Blair. > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 10:26 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Awards for services to music industry. Jan That was crossing a line a bit don't you think? I can't group TD with Techno that much. Sure they are similar but that just went beyond my line. Would that be like saying Garbage took what Berlin did and go beyond or what Blondie did and move further? Sure they all have something in common but.. techno and TD? You might be right, I am still stuck in the mid 70's to late 80's TD. To me Techno and Dance go hand and hand. Molby doesn't impress me as Techno. Lords of Acid, yea Techno. Art of Noise? not techno. Emerson Lake and Palmer, not techno, Yes, not techno. Tomas Dolby? not techno. Punk maybe.. now ye got me going... me patch is a hot and itchy now... r.r.r.r.r.r.rrrrr ;-) dale Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'PERGAMON' To: Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 2:29 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Awards for services to music industry. > Techno-musicians just took over where Edgar Froese failed.............................=O) > > Regards > Jan > > From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 10:59 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Awards for services to music industry. No I didn't cross a line............ But think of this..........It's OK to state something bad about the 'so called Techno GODS', but when I turned it around, you reacted right away.................=O).............. We all like different sorts of music, who's to say which is better??????????.............the people I know listening to Techno-music don't have a problem with TD..........but I have heard alot of fans here having a problem with Techno...................why is it so hard to acknowledge new ways of thinking music??????? Are we now stating bad things about other music-genres just to state how good TD is?????? Regards Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' To: Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 12:26 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Awards for services to music industry. > Jan > That was crossing a line a bit don't you think? > > I can't group TD with Techno that much. Sure they are similar but that just > went beyond my line. > > Would that be like saying Garbage took what Berlin did and go beyond or what > Blondie did and move further? Sure they all have something in common but.. > techno and TD? > > You might be right, I am still stuck in the mid 70's to late 80's TD. To me > Techno and Dance go hand and hand. Molby doesn't impress me as Techno. Lords > of Acid, yea Techno. > > Art of Noise? not techno. Emerson Lake and Palmer, not techno, Yes, not > techno. > > Tomas Dolby? not techno. Punk maybe.. > > now ye got me going... me patch is a hot and itchy now... r.r.r.r.r.r.rrrrr > > ;-) > > dale > > Administrator for Kay-Net.com > admin@k... > 661-723-0266 > Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'PERGAMON' > To: > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 2:29 PM > Subject: Re: [tadream] Awards for services to music industry. > > > > Techno-musicians just took over where Edgar Froese > failed.............................=O) > > > > Regards > > Jan > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: quarlie@a... Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 11:13 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1383 In a message dated 6/21/02 4:54:50 PM, strat95@b... writes: >>>Macs are not really suitable for anything other than as a >>desktop. > >You mean paperweight, don't you? Gee, never heard THAT one before. Sorry if I sound like a whiny bastard, but I don't really think platform attacks belong on this list. Let's talk about music. --Daniel NP: In Extremo - Sunder Ohne Zugel From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 11:28 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Awards for services to music industry. ;-) r r r r r r me patch is a itching.... Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'PERGAMON' To: Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 3:59 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Awards for services to music industry. > No I didn't cross a line............ > > But think of this..........It's OK to state something bad about the 'so called Techno GODS', but when I turned it around, you reacted right away.................=O).............. > > We all like different sorts of music, who's to say which is better??????????.............the people I know listening to Techno-music don't have a problem with TD..........but I have heard alot of fans here having a problem with Techno...................why is it so hard to acknowledge new ways of thinking music??????? > > Are we now stating bad things about other music-genres just to state how good TD is?????? > > Regards > Jan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' > To: > Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 12:26 AM > Subject: Re: [tadream] Awards for services to music industry. > > > > Jan > > That was crossing a line a bit don't you think? > > > > I can't group TD with Techno that much. Sure they are similar but that just > > went beyond my line. > > > > Would that be like saying Garbage took what Berlin did and go beyond or what > > Blondie did and move further? Sure they all have something in common but.. > > techno and TD? > > > > You might be right, I am still stuck in the mid 70's to late 80's TD. To me > > Techno and Dance go hand and hand. Molby doesn't impress me as Techno. Lords > > of Acid, yea Techno. > > > > Art of Noise? not techno. Emerson Lake and Palmer, not techno, Yes, not > > techno. > > > > Tomas Dolby? not techno. Punk maybe.. > > > > now ye got me going... me patch is a hot and itchy now... r.r.r.r.r.r.rrrrr > > > > ;-) > > > > dale > > > > Administrator for Kay-Net.com > > admin@k... > > 661-723-0266 > > Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: 'PERGAMON' > > To: > > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 2:29 PM > > Subject: Re: [tadream] Awards for services to music industry. > > > > > > > Techno-musicians just took over where Edgar Froese > > failed.............................=O) > > > > > > Regards > > > Jan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid Date: Sat Jun 22, 2002 12:09 am Subject: ot: Looking for potential collaborators...but not for DWT 3...read in Hey...i'm looking for a few potential collaborators to work on a CD project with.... TD, Jarre', Schulze must be among influences...contact me off list if interested. Thanx. Mark H. From: 'Matthew Stringer' Date: Sat Jun 22, 2002 8:16 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Awards for services to music industry. What's Tony Blair got to do anything? -----Original Message----- From: convention24 [mailto:convention24@y...] Sent: 21 June 2002 20:00 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] Awards for services to music industry. I sit back and chuckle to see the the individuals who are given awards for their so called services to the music industry,so called Techno GODS willingly accept their false attributes,its about time you unknowledgable music beaurocrats got your FACTS right,theres a guy whos given more to modern day music than any of the yellow tongued parasites of the music industry that i abour,hes put the Techno GODS where they are now,and never wavered to the wims of commercialism. ARISE the KING Edgar Froese,you are indeed a diamond in the history of musical world.Knight the Great man now Tony Blair. ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34448 Re: Awards for services to music industry. convention24 Sat 6/22/2002 3 KB From: 'convention24' Date: Sat Jun 22, 2002 1:01 pm Subject: Re: Awards for services to music industry. --- In tadream@y..., 'Matthew Stringer' wrote: > What's Tony Blair got to do anything?Hmm well spotted,i think ive had to much of the great Glenfiddich at the time,but i stand by my comments,im not slagging Techno music off,infact i own quite a substantial amount of it,im just pointing out that some people are getting awards,and they simply dont deserve them.I Doubt whether EF gives a hoot about awards,but the fact is at the Least Tangerine dream deserve their place in the Rock&Roll hall of Fame. Lastly,if i could recommend a CD ive just had by the EM artist Otarion,the CD is called Creator and its Magic. Best regards > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: convention24 [mailto:convention24@y...] > Sent: 21 June 2002 20:00 > To: tadream@y... > Subject: [tadream] Awards for services to music industry. > > I sit back and chuckle to see the the individuals who are given > awards for their so called services to the music industry,so called > Techno GODS willingly accept their false attributes,its about time > you unknowledgable music beaurocrats got your FACTS right,theres a > guy whos given more to modern day music than any of the yellow tongued > parasites of the music industry that i abour,hes put the Techno GODS > where they are now,and never wavered to the wims of commercialism. > ARISE the KING Edgar Froese,you are indeed a diamond in the history > of musical world.Knight the Great man now Tony Blair. > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@y... > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Admin' Date: Sat Jun 22, 2002 5:37 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Awards for services to music industry. Well don't you have to include Tony Blair in something? ;-) dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Matthew Stringer' To: Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 1:16 AM Subject: RE: [tadream] Awards for services to music industry. > What's Tony Blair got to do anything? > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: convention24 [mailto:convention24@y...] > Sent: 21 June 2002 20:00 > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Awards for services to music industry. > > I sit back and chuckle to see the the individuals who are given > awards for their so called services to the music industry,so called > Techno GODS willingly accept their false attributes,its about time > you unknowledgable music beaurocrats got your FACTS right,theres a > guy whos given more to modern day music than any of the yellow tongued > parasites of the music industry that i abour,hes put the Techno GODS > where they are now,and never wavered to the wims of commercialism. > ARISE the KING Edgar Froese,you are indeed a diamond in the history > of musical world.Knight the Great man now Tony Blair. From: 'Admin' Date: Sat Jun 22, 2002 5:43 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Awards for services to music industry. TD in the R&R Hall of Fame. Interesting idea. Chubby Checker is also working on that. I meet him last year during a assignment with one of our newspaper here. He wants to be remembered for the 'dance apart from the beat'. I even gave him some of my special Jerky. To get there, one would have to start a series of petitions. This list would be just as good as any other place to start. dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'convention24' To: Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 6:01 AM Subject: [tadream] Re: Awards for services to music industry. > --- In tadream@y..., 'Matthew Stringer' wrote: > > What's Tony Blair got to do anything?Hmm well spotted,i think ive > had to much of the great Glenfiddich at the time,but i stand by my > comments,im not slagging Techno music off,infact i own quite a > substantial amount of it,im just pointing out that some people are > getting awards,and they simply dont deserve them.I Doubt whether EF > gives a hoot about awards,but the fact is at the Least Tangerine > dream deserve their place in the Rock&Roll hall of Fame. > Lastly,if i could recommend a CD ive just had by the EM artist > Otarion,the CD is called Creator and its Magic. > Best regards > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: convention24 [mailto:convention24@y...] > > Sent: 21 June 2002 20:00 > > To: tadream@y... > > Subject: [tadream] Awards for services to music industry. > > > > I sit back and chuckle to see the the individuals who are given > > awards for their so called services to the music industry,so called > > Techno GODS willingly accept their false attributes,its about time > > you unknowledgable music beaurocrats got your FACTS right,theres a > > guy whos given more to modern day music than any of the yellow > tongued > > parasites of the music industry that i abour,hes put the Techno > GODS > > where they are now,and never wavered to the wims of commercialism. > > ARISE the KING Edgar Froese,you are indeed a diamond in the history > > of musical world.Knight the Great man now Tony Blair. > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@y... > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sat Jun 22, 2002 7:32 pm Subject: Zeit... Ah, I've just heard Zeit. I always liked this album for, among other things, its uniqueness. I don't know a lot of music (around 200 albums, I think I have), but I don't know anything that can be compared to Zeit. So I heard Zeit while reading some Sandman. You know, Neil Gaiman's Sandman. (do you?) I began reading Sandman a while ago, maybe one month ago. Excellent work. Already have the first two cycles, Preludes and Doll's House, and some other related works. Anyway, I heard Zeit on earphones while reading Sandman, and I thought it was a great soundtrack for it. And I would guess it's a good soundtrack for any such kind of reading. just some random thoughts... I hope you enjoyed reading that ;) and I hope I manage to tune my brain to Physics and Linear Algebra now. aargh. -GJ out from a very late lunch (it's 4:30 pm) after a complete spin of Zeit and Sandman 8-9-10. elton john sounds come from the living room from a dvd. hmm. Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34452 Re: Zeit... Synthhtnys@a... Sat 6/22/2002 2 KB 34453 Re: Zeit... Gustavo Jobim Sat 6/22/2002 3 KB 34465 Re: Zeit... braddito Mon 6/24/2002 2 KB 34456 Re: Zeit... scfeldman@j... Sun 6/23/2002 2 KB From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Sat Jun 22, 2002 7:34 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Zeit... In a message dated 6/22/2002 2:33:23 PM Central Daylight Time, gustavojobim@n... writes: > Ah, I've just heard Zeit. I always liked this album for, among other things, > its uniqueness. I don't know a lot of music (around 200 albums, I think I > have), but I don't know anything that can be compared to Zeit. > *Try Irrlicht by Klaus Schulze. Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34453 Re: Zeit... Gustavo Jobim Sat 6/22/2002 3 KB 34465 Re: Zeit... braddito Mon 6/24/2002 2 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sat Jun 22, 2002 8:01 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Zeit... Ah yes! of course! Ah, Irrlicht is great. But still, I don't think I can really compare it to Zeit. Side A is, as I see it, quite angry. Side B is a only a bit more like Zeit, I think. They have similar kinds of sounds and textures, but for me, they are different. ok, it's totally subjective. but Side A is still totally uncomparable to zeit for me. have made one irrlichty huge organ/harpsichord based track myself by the way, to be the first track of the album i'm composing. thinking about adding real drums to it. just need my drummer friend's time for that :) >> Ah, I've just heard Zeit. I always liked this album for, among other things, >> its uniqueness. I don't know a lot of music (around 200 albums, I think I >> have), but I don't know anything that can be compared to Zeit. > >*Try Irrlicht by Klaus Schulze. >Poly Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... From: 'Paul Lawler' Date: Sat Jun 22, 2002 11:29 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Awards for services to music industry. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'convention24' To: Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 2:01 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: Awards for services to music industry. > --- In tadream@y..., 'Matthew Stringer' wrote: > > What's Tony Blair got to do anything?Hmm well spotted,i think ive > had to much of the great Glenfiddich at the time, You always do seem to get very emotional about Ed when you`ve been on the Glenfiddich :) Its funny how things such as alcahol can numb the stresses of daily life and open your mind to music at a different level . but i stand by my > comments,im not slagging Techno music off,infact i own quite a > substantial amount of it,im just pointing out that some people are > getting awards,and they simply dont deserve them. well who decides whether they deserve them ? we can look at their music and think 'god thats shite' but at the end of the day one mans rubbish is another mans treasure .The music industry top dogs must feel that these multi million selling artists are contributing to the modern music culture .I think its fair to say that TD had their day in the 70s when they were truly groundbreaking , and whilst we all still listen to them with great admiration , the ever so fickle music industry has moved on to what it feels are the current innovators . I Doubt whether EF > gives a hoot about awards,but the fact is at the Least Tangerine > dream deserve their place in the Rock&Roll hall of Fame. I would say they are already there ? You can find them in any AtoZ of rock/pop music acts books .Even the shortest of mentions shows the recognition these guys have . BTW , Ive noticed how many of you guys have email names named after TD records .I got a mail the other day from a site called 'Gobblings Club' ! is this relevant ? Paul Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34458 Re: Awards for services to music industry. convention24 Sun 6/23/2002 4 KB From: 'Paul Lawler' Date: Sat Jun 22, 2002 11:32 pm Subject: spelling mistakes Did i write that last mail ? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34457 Re: spelling mistakes Admin Sun 6/23/2002 3 KB 34459 Re: spelling mistakes Paul Lawler Sun 6/23/2002 3 KB 34460 Re: spelling mistakes PERGAMON Sun 6/23/2002 2 KB 34461 Re: spelling mistakes Paul Lawler Sun 6/23/2002 3 KB 34462 Re: spelling mistakes Admin Sun 6/23/2002 4 KB From: scfeldman@j... Date: Sun Jun 23, 2002 4:05 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Zeit... On Sat, 22 Jun 2002 16:32:50 -0300 Gustavo Jobim writes: >So I heard Zeit while reading some Sandman. You know, Neil >Gaiman's Sandman. (do you?) Funny, that. I read SWAMP THING and HELLBLAZER and SANDMAN with TD and Eno in the background for years. Small world, innit? ;) Steven sometimes, Stephanie sometimes -- always Me http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TransRomance listowner http://androgyne.0catch.com/ Androgyne Online webmaster [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Admin' Date: Sun Jun 23, 2002 4:15 am Subject: Re: [tadream] spelling mistakes nope it was your pet... I caught my cat many times responding to the TD list. you can always tell... he uses the Pirate eye patch. He and his compatriots in crime. ;-) dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Paul Lawler' To: Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 4:32 PM Subject: [tadream] spelling mistakes > Did i write that last mail ? > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'convention24' Date: Sun Jun 23, 2002 7:52 am Subject: Re: Awards for services to music industry. --- In tadream@y..., 'Paul Lawler' wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'convention24' > To: > Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 2:01 PM > Subject: [tadream] Re: Awards for services to music industry. > > > > --- In tadream@y..., 'Matthew Stringer' wrote: > > > What's Tony Blair got to do anything?Hmm well spotted,i think ive > > had to much of the great Glenfiddich at the time, > > You always do seem to get very emotional about Ed when you`ve been on the > Glenfiddich :) > Its funny how things such as alcahol can numb the stresses of daily life and > open your mind to music at a different level . > Paul,fair and sensible comments,i need to reduce the Glenfiddich consumption,but EF will always be my number 1,i am listening to Maroubra bay swathed in Edgars sweaty towel i got from the last sheps bush gig,incredible sensation. Best regards CJ > > > > but i stand by my > > comments,im not slagging Techno music off,infact i own quite a > > substantial amount of it,im just pointing out that some people are > > getting awards,and they simply dont deserve them. > > well who decides whether they deserve them ? we can look at their music and > think 'god thats shite' but at the end of the day one mans rubbish is > another mans treasure .The music industry top dogs must feel that these > multi million selling artists are contributing to the modern music culture > .I think its fair to say that TD had their day in the 70s when they were > truly groundbreaking , and whilst we all still listen to them with great > admiration , the ever so fickle music industry has moved on to what it feels > are the current innovators . > > > > I Doubt whether EF > > gives a hoot about awards,but the fact is at the Least Tangerine > > dream deserve their place in the Rock&Roll hall of Fame. > > I would say they are already there ? You can find them in any AtoZ of > rock/pop music acts books .Even the shortest of mentions shows the > recognition these guys have . > BTW , Ive noticed how many of you guys have email names named after TD > records .I got a mail the other day from a site called 'Gobblings Club' ! is > this relevant ? > > > Paul From: 'Paul Lawler' Date: Sun Jun 23, 2002 9:41 am Subject: Re: [tadream] spelling mistakes ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Admin' To: Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 5:15 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] spelling mistakes > nope it was your pet... > > I caught my cat many times responding to the TD list. you can always tell... > he uses the Pirate eye patch. He and his compatriots in crime. I`ve only got fish , how do you explain that ;) Paul > > ;-) > > dale > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Paul Lawler' > To: > Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 4:32 PM > Subject: [tadream] spelling mistakes > > > > Did i write that last mail ? > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Sun Jun 23, 2002 9:49 am Subject: Re: [tadream] spelling mistakes ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Paul Lawler' > I`ve only got fish , how do you explain that ;) > > Paul I guess you like fish, and therefore bought a fish...................=O) Jan From: 'Paul Lawler' Date: Sun Jun 23, 2002 10:04 am Subject: Re: [tadream] spelling mistakes ----- Original Message ----- From: 'PERGAMON' To: Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 10:49 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] spelling mistakes > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Paul Lawler' > > I`ve only got fish , how do you explain that ;) > > > > Paul > > I guess you like fish, and therefore bought a fish...................=O) > > Jan > Ahaaaaaaaaaaaah ! thats been bugging me for years , thanks ;) Paul From: 'Admin' Date: Sun Jun 23, 2002 10:00 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] spelling mistakes Notice any water near you keyboard, or do you have a plastic cover in it? I also seen experiements with fish dealing with quantrum objects, perhaps your fellows are a bit clever. ;-) Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Paul Lawler' To: Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 2:41 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] spelling mistakes > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Admin' > To: > Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 5:15 AM > Subject: Re: [tadream] spelling mistakes > > > > nope it was your pet... > > > > I caught my cat many times responding to the TD list. you can always > tell... > > he uses the Pirate eye patch. He and his compatriots in crime. > > I`ve only got fish , how do you explain that ;) > > Paul > > > > > > ;-) > > > > dale > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: 'Paul Lawler' > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 4:32 PM > > Subject: [tadream] spelling mistakes > > > > > > > Did i write that last mail ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Sun Jun 23, 2002 10:36 pm Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #274 [ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #274 June 20, 2002. RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Amir Baghiri, who creates ambient music laced with tribal, world, and industrial influences. The Featured CD at midnight was 'Night,' the third disc from 'The Bluebox Collection' on the Arya label. The Ministry of Inside Things performed an on-air concert to whet your appetite for their performance at the next event in the Soundscapes Concert Series on June 22. Amir Baghiri http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2002/focus02.html#jun MOIT at Soundscapes http://www.tadream.net/soundscapes PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Ministry of Inside Things live, on-air, in-studio concert 12:00 am Interview with The Ministry of Inside Things Amir Baghiri Nightfall Night (Arya) Amir Baghiri Crossroad of Darkness Night (Arya) Amir Baghiri Midnight Night (Arya) Amir Baghiri Frozen Stars Night (Arya) Amir Baghiri Creeping Fog Night (Arya) Amir Baghiri Polar Lights Night (Arya) Amir Baghiri Fear Never Sleeps Night (Arya) Amir Baghiri The Small Hours Night (Arya) Amir Baghiri Spilling Moonlight Night (Arya) Amir Baghiri Touch the Deep Night (Arya) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll conclude the month-long focus on Amir Baghiri. The Featured CD at Midnight will be 'Sleep,' the fourth and final disc from 'The Bluebox Collection' on the Arya label. The vinyl show starter will be from the LP 'Catharsis Volume 6.' Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic Host of the AM/FM show on WMUH 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. Email me before submiting music for airplay consideration. billfox@f... Radio Station Home Pages: http://wdiyfm.org http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://www.tadream.net/soundscapes From: 'braddito' Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 7:21 am Subject: Re: Edgar I first heard TD during a school lunch break in 1975 (we were allowed to use the schools' record players) and fell in love with the music. In recent times I've bought a variety of the new music and even my kids love 'Great Wall of China' when I play it on car journeys. Times have changed, but I believe Edgar remains one of the most creative and gifted musicians alive. And much respect is due to his fellow band members through the years - all have contributed to the magic. Toby --- In tadream@y..., Morgan Feldon wrote: > > >Some say in other far off lists that Edgar has lost the magic given to him > >by the Gods. > > > >dale > > No matter what Edgar does today, or in the last dozen years, I'll never > forget what he did for TD's first 17. > > -Morgan From: 'braddito' Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 7:26 am Subject: Re: Zeit... You could also try Cyborg - that seems quite 'heavy' in an atmoshperical way. Toby > > Ah, I've just heard Zeit. I always liked this album for, among other things, > > its uniqueness. I don't know a lot of music (around 200 albums, I think I > > have), but I don't know anything that can be compared to Zeit. > > > > *Try Irrlicht by Klaus Schulze. > Poly > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 7:58 am Subject: [tadream] Johannes Schmoelling box (was Re: Edgar) > Times have changed, but I believe Edgar remains one of the most > creative and gifted musicians alive. And much respect is due to his > fellow band members through the years - all have contributed to the > magic. How true! And that's why we decided to send a 'custom built' Tangerine Tree box to the bands' ex-members, starting with Johannes Schmoelling who was a member of TD from 1979-85. Today I will send a box to the webmaster of the JS homepage which contains unreleased live & studio recordings from the time where Johannes was playing with Tangerine Dream (Berlin 1980, Paris 1981, Newcastle 1981, Sydney/Melbourne 1982, Croydon 1982, Osaka 1983), plus a concert from Birmingham March 1986, and a 2 CDR compilation CDR with unreleased tracks from 1980-2001...so just in case he listens to these CDRs he will get a glimpse about TD's music after he left the band. There are also plans for a Tree box for Christopher Franke..unfortunately Peter Baumann's address is unknown. After watching TD's 'Inferno' concert in Berlin (June 15th) I had the chance to meet Edgar in the backstage area, and there I had the opportunity to present the 2nd 'Tangerine Tree' box to him. His first words were: 'hmm...looks like another box of bootlegs' , and I guess my face went pale within a few miliseconds ~lol~ But then he told me that he likes what we are doing, because there is no profit involved. What p*isses him off though are bootlegs like 'Electronic Orgy' (for him this seems to be the 'mother of all TD evil' ;-) Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34475 Johannes Schmoelling box (was Re: Edgar) richter_arne Mon 6/24/2002 2 KB 34489 Tangerine Tree for Steve Schroyder Robert Grabowsky Tue 6/25/2002 2 KB 34491 Re: Johannes Schmoelling box (was Re: Edgar) Dennis Nigbur Tue 6/25/2002 4 KB 34493 Re: Johannes Schmoelling box (was Re: Edgar) Wade Gordon Tue 6/25/2002 4 KB 34496 Re: Johannes Schmoelling box (was Re: Edgar) Mark Filipak Tue 6/25/2002 2 KB 34618 Re: Johannes Schmoelling box (was Re: Edgar) Marion Horrod Mon 7/1/2002 3 KB From: 'E Neal Frost' Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 10:28 am Subject: Okeefenokee 2001 CDs Hello All, I know this was discussed a while back......but I am old and decrepit, with a terrible memory. Anyone have an original copy of the official release from Okee 2001 for sale? Or, a link to an online company that I can buy it from? Thanks Neal Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34468 Re: Okeefenokee 2001 CDs Kees Aerts / Groove Unlimited Mon 6/24/2002 2 KB 34469 Re: Okeefenokee 2001 CDs John Marchington Mon 6/24/2002 3 KB 34470 Re: Okeefenokee 2001 CDs Kees Aerts / Groove Unlimited Mon 6/24/2002 3 KB 34599 Re: Okeefenokee 2001 CDs vic rek Sun 6/30/2002 3 KB From: Kees Aerts / Groove Unlimited Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 10:51 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Okeefenokee 2001 CDs At 06:28 24-6-02 -0400, you wrote: >Hello All, > >I know this was discussed a while back......but I am old and decrepit, with >a terrible memory. Anyone have an original copy of the official release from >Okee 2001 for sale? > >Or, a link to an online company that I can buy it from? http://www.groove.nl Euro 15.99 / UKP 9.99 / US$ 14.49 + shipping Best regards / Vriendelijke groeten, Kees GROOVE Unlimited (Specializing in Electronic Music) Kees Aerts PO Box 2171 8203 AD Lelystad the Netherlands Tel: +31 (0) 320 219496 ; Fax: +31 (0) 320 218910 ----------------------- Email: kees@g... ; Web pages: http://www.groove.nl From: 'John Marchington' Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 11:00 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Okeefenokee 2001 CDs You can buy it from Synth Music Direct in the UK at http://www.synthmusicdirect.com/ When you get there look under Free System Projekt(Project) not Marcel Engels. That's where I bought mine. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'E Neal Frost' To: ; Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 10:28 PM Subject: [tadream] Okeefenokee 2001 CDs > Hello All, > > I know this was discussed a while back......but I am old and decrepit, with > a terrible memory. Anyone have an original copy of the official release from > Okee 2001 for sale? > > Or, a link to an online company that I can buy it from? > > Thanks > Neal > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34470 Re: Okeefenokee 2001 CDs Kees Aerts / Groove Unlimited Mon 6/24/2002 3 KB From: Kees Aerts / Groove Unlimited Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 11:47 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Okeefenokee 2001 CDs At 23:00 24-6-02 +1200, you wrote: >You can buy it from Synth Music Direct in the UK at >http://www.synthmusicdirect.com/ > >When you get there look under Free System Projekt(Project) not Marcel >Engels. That's where I bought mine. Euro 15.75 / UKP 12.95 / US$ 19.94 + shipping And at http://www.groove.nl Euro 15.99 / UKP 9.99 / US$ 14.49 + shipping And that's not counting extra discount for ordering 10 or 20 products! :-) Yes folks. USA and UK customers pay 35% more at SMD. Best regards / Vriendelijke groeten, Kees GROOVE Unlimited (Specializing in Electronic Music) Kees Aerts PO Box 2171 8203 AD Lelystad the Netherlands Tel: +31 (0) 320 219496 ; Fax: +31 (0) 320 218910 ----------------------- Email: kees@g... ; Web pages: http://www.groove.nl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 2:27 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] live e.m. ----- Original Message ----- From: > Now why don't we have something like this around here (Chicago)? There have to be enough people around here interested in e.m. to merit a concert or some sort of e.m. community! > > Concerts going on in Bethlehem, PA... > Maybe it's time to move!!! C'mawn down! Although I got the paper press to pay attention, the word was well spread on all of the EM radio shows in the area, I blasted announcements to every internet mailing list that I could, and I kept costs at a minimum, there was only $30 profit... which I split with my co-producer! What will I do with my share? Put it towards the next show, of course. In essence, I'm doing a lot of work for no income. I'm just trying to perpetuate the concert scene of a very small, very non-mainstream genre of music. It is difficult to find the audience, even harder getting the word out to them, and even harder still getting them all to come out. (Summer solstice turned out to be a bad choice because everyone is outside, understandably.) There aren't many people who are willing to promote concerts under these conditions which could explain why not every area (even a major metropolitan area like Chicago) has a visible EM concert scene. But since I haven't lost my shirt and the artistic and social benefits are do great, I'll continue on. I recommend that you compile a list of EM resources in your vicinity: names and email addresses of EM fans stores that stock EM Local EM radio, TV, cable, internet shows bars, churches, peoples' living rooms where you might hold events Hold a pot luck in your home, charge $20 to the 10 EM fans who show up, and invite whatever EM artist is passing through your area to play in your living room. Robert Rich recently played such a concert in Colorado and made more money than he sometimes makes at 'big' festivals! And that didn't include the CD sales he made! And keep on keeping on. Cheers, Bill From: 'Owens, James' Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 2:43 pm Subject: Quantum FISHics (was: RE: [tadream] spelling mistakes) I had a fish disappear out of a tank one time. I went out of town for a weekend, and when I returned he was gone. He was the only fish there, so he wasn't eaten. And no one else had a key to my place at that time... -----Original Message----- From: Admin [mailto:admin@k...] Notice any water near you keyboard, or do you have a plastic cover in it? I also seen experiements with fish dealing with quantum objects, perhaps your fellows are a bit clever. From: 'Owens, James' Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 2:54 pm Subject: RE: Quantum FISHics There was no lid on the tank, but I never found a body... Must've phased into another universe or something... -----Original Message----- From: Owens, James [mailto:james.owens@m...] Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 9:43 AM To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com' Subject: Quantum FISHics (was: RE: [tadream] spelling mistakes) I had a fish disappear out of a tank one time. I went out of town for a weekend, and when I returned he was gone. He was the only fish there, so he wasn't eaten. And no one else had a key to my place at that time... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34474 Re: Quantum FISHics Paul Lawler Mon 6/24/2002 2 KB 34478 Re: Quantum FISHics Administrator for kay-net.com Mon 6/24/2002 4 KB From: 'Paul Lawler' Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 3:31 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: Quantum FISHics ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Owens, James' To: Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 3:54 PM Subject: [tadream] RE: Quantum FISHics > There was no lid on the tank, but I never found a body... > Must've phased into another universe or something... it does sound very fishy ! Paul From: 'richter_arne' Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 4:38 pm Subject: Johannes Schmoelling box (was Re: Edgar) --- In tadream@y..., Heiko Heerssen wrote: There are also > plans for a Tree box for Christopher Franke..unfortunately Peter Baumann's > address is unknown. Great idea about the Tree boxes. I don't think Baumann's address is unknown, after all he was interviewed by Olaf Zimmermann on Electrobeats about 2 years ago. So you may want to send off an email to good old 'Ozi' about that, I am sure he knows how to get a hold of Peter... Arne From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 4:41 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] live e.m. Bill's right. I also get his info on the EM list. It's a struggle. I just keep thinking about the starving artiest events. This is what it reminds me of. dale Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Bill Fox' To: Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 7:27 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] live e.m. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > > Now why don't we have something like this around here (Chicago)? There have to > be enough people around here interested in e.m. to merit a concert or some sort > of e.m. community! > > > > Concerts going on in Bethlehem, PA... > > Maybe it's time to move!!! > > C'mawn down! Although I got the paper press to pay attention, the word was well > spread on all of the EM radio shows in the area, I blasted announcements to > every internet mailing list that I could, and I kept costs at a minimum, there > was only $30 profit... which I split with my co-producer! What will I do with > my share? Put it towards the next show, of course. In essence, I'm doing a lot > of work for no income. I'm just trying to perpetuate the concert scene of a > very small, very non-mainstream genre of music. It is difficult to find the > audience, even harder getting the word out to them, and even harder still > getting them all to come out. (Summer solstice turned out to be a bad choice > because everyone is outside, understandably.) There aren't many people who are > willing to promote concerts under these conditions which could explain why not > every area (even a major metropolitan area like Chicago) has a visible EM > concert scene. But since I haven't lost my shirt and the artistic and social > benefits are do great, I'll continue on. > > I recommend that you compile a list of EM resources in your vicinity: > names and email addresses of EM fans > stores that stock EM > Local EM radio, TV, cable, internet shows > bars, churches, peoples' living rooms where you might hold events > > Hold a pot luck in your home, charge $20 to the 10 EM fans who show up, and > invite whatever EM artist is passing through your area to play in your living > room. Robert Rich recently played such a concert in Colorado and made more > money than he sometimes makes at 'big' festivals! And that didn't include the > CD sales he made! > > And keep on keeping on. > > Cheers, > > Bill > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'richter_arne' Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 4:44 pm Subject: A picture speaks more than 1000 words... ... and I really appreciate the great pictures that were posted of the INFERNO concert in Berlin, but in this case I would also love to read something about the concert. Other than a one-liner from Alan Miller, can it be true that NOBODY posted a review of the show? Arne Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34479 Re: A picture speaks more than 1000 words... Paul Fellows Mon 6/24/2002 2 KB 34481 Re: A picture speaks more than 1000 words... Administrator for kay-net.com Mon 6/24/2002 4 KB 34482 Re: A picture speaks more than 1000 words... Paul Lawler Mon 6/24/2002 3 KB 34484 Re: A picture speaks more than 1000 words... Paul Fellows Mon 6/24/2002 2 KB 34485 Re: A picture speaks more than 1000 words... fozziebear Mon 6/24/2002 2 KB 34490 Re: A picture speaks more than 1000 words... richter_arne Tue 6/25/2002 2 KB 34486 Re: A picture speaks more than 1000 words... Paul Lawler Mon 6/24/2002 3 KB 34492 Re: A picture speaks more than 1000 words... Heiko Heerssen Tue 6/25/2002 8 KB 34495 Re: A picture speaks more than 1000 words... braddito Tue 6/25/2002 2 KB From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 4:46 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: Quantum FISHics When I had my tanks up and running (kitty TV's at the time) a few manage to go missing too. Wasn't the kitties as far as I can tell, had a double lid. I figured they too manage to pass thru. This was when my kitties where young. Most are near 18 now, one is 19 if I count right, Earth years. Now they just use the remotes and watch what they want. I don't even care if I catch them on the rated channels anymore, I figure they are old enough now. Most of the time, its the cartoon network. At least I have only one who gets on the internet a lot. The rest just egg him on. dale Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Owens, James' To: Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 7:54 AM Subject: [tadream] RE: Quantum FISHics > There was no lid on the tank, but I never found a body... > Must've phased into another universe or something... > > -----Original Message----- > From: Owens, James [mailto:james.owens@m...] > Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 9:43 AM > To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com' > Subject: Quantum FISHics (was: RE: [tadream] spelling mistakes) > > > I had a fish disappear out of a tank one time. I went out of town for a > weekend, and when I returned he was gone. He was the only fish there, so he > wasn't eaten. And no one else had a key to my place at that time... > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Paul Fellows Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 6:49 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] A picture speaks more than 1000 words... on 24/06/02 18:44, richter_arne at arne.richter@g... wrote: > ... and I really appreciate the great pictures that were posted of > the INFERNO concert in Berlin, but in this case I would also love to > read something about the concert. > > Other than a one-liner from Alan Miller, can it be true that NOBODY > posted a review of the show? > > Arne I agree. More emphasis at the moment on spelling mistakes and quantum fishics than reports on the only concert this year given by the band this list was created for... Am I laying it on a bit thick? Perhaps, but I have also been surprised by the lack of real on-topic posts recently... Paul From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 6:49 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Edgar But still, there are those who say he has lost the magic. The post remains on the other far off list. What did they do in the day's of yore, when one's magic was challenge? ;-) dale (besides, I don't know how one thought I posted that message in the first place or I even thought it true, I just mentioned it in reference to the awards and how others might view. If I was Edgar, and I am not in any form, just a figure of speech, I go my way with my music in the way I wished to create it. I am one who thinks you are not a artiest anymore if you are creating for the profit end of it. One does have to eat. I don't think he has that problem. So why do it just for profit? Why accept a award when they did not acknowledged the leadership role in the first place? Why ask Why?) Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'braddito' To: Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 12:21 AM Subject: [tadream] Re: Edgar > I first heard TD during a school lunch break in 1975 (we were allowed > to use the schools' record players) and fell in love with the music. > In recent times I've bought a variety of the new music and even my > kids love 'Great Wall of China' when I play it on car journeys. > > Times have changed, but I believe Edgar remains one of the most > creative and gifted musicians alive. And much respect is due to his > fellow band members through the years - all have contributed to the > magic. > > Toby > > --- In tadream@y..., Morgan Feldon wrote: > > > > >Some say in other far off lists that Edgar has lost the magic > given to him > > >by the Gods. > > > > > >dale > > > > No matter what Edgar does today, or in the last dozen years, I'll > never > > forget what he did for TD's first 17. > > > > -Morgan > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 6:52 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] A picture speaks more than 1000 words... well I did post this last week Most will tell you when listening to TD, a certain mood maybe called up. Depends on the music. Now for those who create the music which ties back to TD, what mood do you think they where in when creating some of the tracks? Do you think the same mood is what is conveyed or intrepided by the listener? Dale under moods I just figuered it too deep a topic perhaps or maybe I was just being dissed as I should... Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Paul Fellows' To: Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] A picture speaks more than 1000 words... > on 24/06/02 18:44, richter_arne at arne.richter@g... wrote: > > > ... and I really appreciate the great pictures that were posted of > > the INFERNO concert in Berlin, but in this case I would also love to > > read something about the concert. > > > > Other than a one-liner from Alan Miller, can it be true that NOBODY > > posted a review of the show? > > > > Arne > > I agree. > > More emphasis at the moment on spelling mistakes and quantum fishics than > reports on the only concert this year given by the band this list was > created for... > > Am I laying it on a bit thick? Perhaps, but I have also been surprised by > the lack of real on-topic posts recently... > > Paul > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Paul Lawler' Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 7:24 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] A picture speaks more than 1000 words... : >> > Am I laying it on a bit thick? Perhaps, but I have also been surprised by > the lack of real on-topic posts recently... > > Paul > I am partly to blame for this but c`mon, the whole world doesn`t revolve around TD all of the time, even on a list created for them .A bit of light hearted banter never hurt anyone .What do you think will be different about the recent Inferno gig ? Edgar changed his black shirt , Jerome has been on the Slimfast ? ;) I would say its pretty much the same as the last one as they dont play anything live at the keyboard end . I would be interested if the concert was new material (like the first performance of Inferno) but this isn`t so I imagine that other than the setting which we saw from the recent photos , it would be the same as the first time around . There are no new albums/tours etc, so apart from tree projects life in the TD lane is a bit slow wouldn`t you think ? Paul Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34484 Re: A picture speaks more than 1000 words... Paul Fellows Mon 6/24/2002 2 KB From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 7:29 pm Subject: TOP 10 It's time for a TOP 10.......................... Which 10 TD-tracks are your favorite to play for others: in no order Drunken mozart....... Rubycon prt 1 White eagle Force Majeure Meng tian Beach theme Dr. Destructo Soundmill Navigator Maroubra Bay Ricochet Part 2 And for all those wondering what to put on your TD-introduction-compilation, maybe you can use this............ Regards Jan From: Paul Fellows Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 8:18 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] A picture speaks more than 1000 words... on 24/06/02 21:24, Paul Lawler at lawlermusic@b... wrote: > There are no new albums/tours etc, so apart from tree projects life in the > TD lane is a bit slow wouldn`t you think ? > > Paul > True, but I'm not sure I'd still be touring if I was his age, normal that he's lifting his foot off the gas a bit! But let's not forget that they were promoting their 'new' album with this gig and the 2 before it... the other Paul From: 'fozziebear' Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 6:55 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] A picture speaks more than 1000 words... Arne said: I really appreciate the great pictures that were posted of > the INFERNO concert in Berlin, but in this case I would also love to > read something about the concert. > > Other than a one-liner from Alan Miller, can it be true that NOBODY > posted a review of the show? Hey Arne Didn't you go to the Inferno concert. I thought you were in or near Berlin? David Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34490 Re: A picture speaks more than 1000 words... richter_arne Tue 6/25/2002 2 KB From: 'Paul Lawler' Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 11:27 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] A picture speaks more than 1000 words... ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Paul Fellows' To: Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 9:18 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] A picture speaks more than 1000 words... > on 24/06/02 21:24, Paul Lawler at lawlermusic@b... wrote: > > > > There are no new albums/tours etc, so apart from tree projects life in the > > TD lane is a bit slow wouldn`t you think ? > > > > Paul > > > > True, but I'm not sure I'd still be touring if I was his age, normal that > he's lifting his foot off the gas a bit! But let's not forget that they > were promoting their 'new' album with this gig and the 2 before it... > > the other Paul > I meant that because TD aint doing much , there`s not a great deal of on-topic coversation at the moment Paul From: 'tei waz' Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 11:56 pm Subject: only got fish >I`ve only got fish , how do you explain that dunno--perhaps it was 'streaming spice doubt' from the ozric tentacles.... _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34488 Re: only got fish Rainer Rutka Tue 6/25/2002 3 KB From: Rainer Rutka Date: Tue Jun 25, 2002 12:34 am Subject: Re: [tadream] only got fish On Mon, 24 Jun 2002, tei waz wrote: > >I`ve only got fish , how do you explain that > > dunno--perhaps it was 'streaming spice doubt' from the ozric tentacles.... > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Mit den besten Gruessen, Rainer Rutka ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Rainer Rutka E -Mail : rainer@k... Griesseggstrasse 27 D Handy : +49 (0)175 / 52 50 402 Telefon : +49 (0)7531 29842 D-78462 Konstanz - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - www.k-r.de www.rutka.de - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: Robert Grabowsky Date: Tue Jun 25, 2002 3:07 am Subject: Tangerine Tree for Steve Schroyder I have already taken care of a copy of TT1 for Steve Schroyder. THE HIGHLANDER aka Dronemeister From: 'richter_arne' Date: Tue Jun 25, 2002 8:04 am Subject: Re: A picture speaks more than 1000 words... > Hey Arne > > Didn't you go to the Inferno concert. I thought you were in or near > Berlin? > No, I was on a (long-before planned) vacation during that time and sadly missed the show. But as I already saw the concert in Bernau I hope that I didn't miss that much!!?!!!?!?? Arne From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Tue Jun 25, 2002 9:42 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Johannes Schmoelling box (was Re: Edgar) You have no idea how good it is to hear this and to glimpse the fatherly wit of the Great Man. Edgar can appear grumpy, but this shows he's on the side of the fans. Dennis On 24 Jun 2002 at 9:58, Heiko Heerssen wrote: > > > > Times have changed, but I believe Edgar remains one of the most > > creative and gifted musicians alive. And much respect is due to his > > fellow band members through the years - all have contributed to the > > magic. > > How true! And that's why we decided to send a 'custom built' Tangerine > Tree box to the bands' ex-members, starting with Johannes Schmoelling > who was a member of TD from 1979-85. Today I will send a box to the > webmaster of the JS homepage which contains unreleased live & studio > recordings from the time where Johannes was playing with Tangerine > Dream (Berlin 1980, Paris 1981, Newcastle 1981, Sydney/Melbourne 1982, > Croydon 1982, Osaka 1983), plus a concert from Birmingham March 1986, > and a 2 CDR compilation CDR with unreleased tracks from 1980-2001...so > just in case he listens to these CDRs he will get a glimpse about TD's > music after he left the band. There are also plans for a Tree box for > Christopher Franke..unfortunately Peter Baumann's address is unknown. > After watching TD's 'Inferno' concert in Berlin (June 15th) I had the > chance to meet Edgar in the backstage area, and there I had the > opportunity to present the 2nd 'Tangerine Tree' box to him. His first > words were: 'hmm...looks like another box of bootlegs' , and I guess > my face went pale within a few miliseconds ~lol~ But then he told me > that he likes what we are doing, because there is no profit involved. > What p*isses him off though are bootlegs like 'Electronic Orgy' (for > him this seems to be the 'mother of all TD evil' ;-) > > Heiko > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Tue Jun 25, 2002 10:16 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: A picture speaks more than 1000 words... > No, I was on a (long-before planned) vacation during that time and > sadly missed the show. But as I already saw the concert in Bernau I > hope that I didn't miss that much!!?!!!?!?? Well they played a fantastic improvised concert which lasted for three hours, and had Chris Franke & Peter Baumann as guest musicians...they even had the Big Moog on stage!! :-) errm.... well..... the music was almost 100% identically to what they played in Bernau. As far as I can remember the only difference was the instrumention in 'La grey de los almas perdidas'. It was like playing the whole 'Inferno' CD by adding more bongo percussion. As you can see from the pictures on Rainer's homepage the show itself was quite spectacular and impressive, but still I think that playing 'Inferno' in a church (like the one in Bernau) is a much more suitable venue. In Bernau the audience was calm and quiet. In Berlin it was noisy (not to mention the two drunken jerks which were yelling and waving to the two female dancers near the end of the show), and the audience was much bigger than in Bernau..I was told that the concert was sold out and that the venue had a seating capacity of 1500. It was sometimes difficult for me to concentrate on the music, but then again I already knew the music inside out and there was very little variation. I stayed in a hotel which was a few hundred metres away from the Museumsinsel, and as usually I arrived way too early (I'm just too German ;-) There seems to have been a thunder storm the day before the concert because all the seats were wet and the water had to be wiped off the chairs by some poor staff people. I was wearing my Ramones t-shirt and soon got recognized by someone from the US, a nice guy called Alastair who once was a member on the old TD mailing list. Just a couple of minutes later I met someone who flew in from Mexico named Jose, and was amazed that people are willing to fly a few thousand miles just to see TD play. We sat down and had a beer or two, and then we saw Edgar Froese making his way towards the stage. Alastair asked him if it would be ok if someone takes a photo of them but Edgar just moaned and walked away, it seems he wasn't in the best mood. Later on I was told the reason why, it seems the tour organizers were a bunch of .... (fill in whatever you like ;-) Half an hour later some other TD fans joined us (Alan Miller, Volkmar Friauf, Rainer Rutka and Heiko Neumann from the mailing list) About 60-70 minutes before the start of the show we were all requested to leave the area, and were among the first people which had to wait outside. Just a couple of minutes later the queue was already getting bigger and bigger, and I was among the first who got in again. We all had tickets for category 'A' and rushed towards the stage, hoping to find a good seat...but to our disappointment the first three rows were already reserved for press people of the German 'ARD' TV channel (which was somehow logical because their slogan can be translated into 'with ARD you always sit in the first row' ;-) About 15 minutes before the start of the show all of a sudden a dozen of huge white balls were thrown into the audience (maybe they used the same ones they had in Osnabrück three years ago for the 'Mars Polaris' world premiere ;-) The crowd got quite enthusiastic about this and during the first few minutes of the concert some of the balls were still flying around. Then it started to become a bit annoying: about ten minutes into the music those seats for the press people were still empty, and one drunken (?) guy who obviously didn't belong to them wanted to sit down there. But a security person prevented him from doing this and he had to leave the concert. Soon after that the press people came all at once (about 50-60 persons?), taking their seats while talking loudly to each other. I guess that 90% of them didn't even know about what was going on, or who Tangerine Dream is. I noticed one lady who gently fell asleep just a few minutes later.... There's not much to say about the concert except that the laser show in Bernau was much better and impressive. But still I think it was a good concert. Unlike Bernau they had two female dancers on stage which made short appearances, they both looked gorgeous :-) TD received a standing ovation and I think the crowd was quite pleased with what they saw. But at least for some of us the day was not over yet. I had something with me which I was hoping to present to Edgar: the 'preview' edition of the 2nd 'Tangerine Tree' box. I was standing left from the stage (along with Vic Rek, Alan Miller, Alastair, Rainer Rutka and some people which I haven't seen before), and was hoping to get into the backstage area. But the security staff was merciless, and we waited for one hour. Then all of a sudden Jerome's girlfriend (or wife?) came to us and asked me if my name was Heiko..you should have seen my big grin ;-) She also invited Rainer and Alastair, and when we finally got into the backstage area (which was not more like some sort of big tent) we looked at each other as if we had just hit the jackpot. The tent was crammed full with the artists from the Inferno show (the choir singers, Iris Kulterer etc.) Much to our surprise Vic was already inside (he must have the right connections..envy!!), and after a few minutes I took my chance and passed over the 'Tree box' to Edgar who I think was quite pleased with it. Then Vic introduced us to a person we didn't recognize first. 'Who is it?' we asked. 'Ralf' he replied..then the pennies dropped: it was former member Ralf Wadephul, who was playing with the band during 'Optical race' (1988-89). We were quite thrilled to meet him and told him that we liked the 'Sun gate' track on the Optical race album very much (which he wrote). We stayed inside the tent for maybe half an hour and then walked out again only to find the rest of the fans still waiting to get in, but for us the night still wasn't over yet. TDI's manager invited us to a nearby pub and there we had a couple of drinks..we really had a great time there (not to mention the prostitutes that were walking up and down the streets ~lol~) At 3.30 am we stood up and took a taxi which drove us back to our hotel. Regards Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34495 Re: A picture speaks more than 1000 words... braddito Tue 6/25/2002 2 KB 34512 Re: A picture speaks more than 1000 words... Jonathan Holt Tue 6/25/2002 2 KB From: Wade Gordon Date: Tue Jun 25, 2002 1:49 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Johannes Schmoelling box (was Re: Edgar) Heiko, How can I receive a copy of the Schmoelling box set? E-mail me privately. Wade --- Heiko Heerssen wrote: > > > > Times have changed, but I believe Edgar remains > one of the most > > creative and gifted musicians alive. And much > respect is due to his > > fellow band members through the years - all have > contributed to the > > magic. > > How true! And that's why we decided to send a > 'custom built' Tangerine Tree > box to the bands' ex-members, starting with Johannes > Schmoelling who was a > member of TD from 1979-85. Today I will send a box > to the webmaster of the JS > homepage which contains unreleased live & studio > recordings from the time > where Johannes was playing with Tangerine Dream > (Berlin 1980, Paris 1981, > Newcastle 1981, Sydney/Melbourne 1982, Croydon 1982, > Osaka 1983), plus a > concert from Birmingham March 1986, and a 2 CDR > compilation CDR with > unreleased tracks from 1980-2001...so just in case > he listens to these CDRs > he will get a glimpse about TD's music after he left > the band. There are also > plans for a Tree box for Christopher > Franke..unfortunately Peter Baumann's > address is unknown. > After watching TD's 'Inferno' concert in Berlin > (June 15th) I had the chance > to meet Edgar in the backstage area, and there I had > the opportunity to > present the 2nd 'Tangerine Tree' box to him. His > first words were: > 'hmm...looks like another box of bootlegs' , and I > guess my face went pale > within a few miliseconds ~lol~ But then he told me > that he likes what we are > doing, because there is no profit involved. What > p*isses him off though are > bootlegs like 'Electronic Orgy' (for him this seems > to be the 'mother of all > TD evil' ;-) > > Heiko > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Tue Jun 25, 2002 1:57 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TOP 10 OK, it was not the time for a TOP 10...................=O) ----- Original Message ----- From: 'PERGAMON' To: Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 9:29 PM Subject: [tadream] TOP 10 > It's time for a TOP 10.......................... > > Which 10 TD-tracks are your favorite to play for others: > > in no order > > Drunken mozart....... > Rubycon prt 1 > White eagle > Force Majeure > Meng tian > Beach theme > Dr. Destructo > Soundmill Navigator > Maroubra Bay > Ricochet Part 2 > > And for all those wondering what to put on your TD-introduction-compilation, maybe you can use this............ > > Regards > Jan > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'braddito' Date: Tue Jun 25, 2002 4:00 pm Subject: Re: A picture speaks more than 1000 words... Unlike Bernau they had two female dancers on stage which made short > appearances, they both looked gorgeous ..., but for us the night still wasn't > over yet. TDI's manager invited us to a nearby pub and there we had a couple > of drinks..we really had a great time there (not to mention the prostitutes > that were walking up and down the streets ~lol~) At 3.30 am we stood up and > took a taxi which drove us back to our hotel. > > Regards > Heiko Heiko, I guess from this that your wife didn't go to the show ! Toby From: Mark Filipak Date: Tue Jun 25, 2002 5:00 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Johannes Schmoelling box (was Re: Edgar) Wade Gordon wrote: > > Heiko, > > How can I receive a copy of the Schmoelling box set? > > E-mail me privately. ROFLMAO -- Mark From: Liondream@a... Date: Tue Jun 25, 2002 5:06 pm Subject: Moods Moods... Perhaps what someone like Robert Fripp might say... (e.g. I'm acknowledging that this is not necessarily an original idea of mine, though I have thought about it a lot)... In an objective piece of art, it could be stated that the artist would create the art to transmit a certain mood (or information), and that that mood would then transpire in the listener accordingly. A modern day and immediate example of this would be a successful movie soundtrack. A not modern day example would be something like Chartes cathedral and similar places as well as some religious art. I think most art, and artists are subjective though and the desired intent is not always the desired result. Not necessarily bad. If the music makes you 'feel' something then that's good. If the music was intended to make people cry and they laugh instead, just don't tell them what you intended!!! :-) << Subject: Re: A picture speaks more than 1000 words... well I did post this last week Most will tell you when listening to TD, a certain mood maybe called up. Depends on the music. Now for those who create the music which ties back to TD, what mood do you think they where in when creating some of the tracks? Do you think the same mood is what is conveyed or intrepided by the listener? Dale under moods I just figuered it too deep a topic perhaps or maybe I was just being dissed as I should...>>> Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34595 Re: Moods Miguel Farah Sat 6/29/2002 2 KB From: Liondream@a... Date: Tue Jun 25, 2002 5:19 pm Subject: Slowing down In the 'old days' of the medieval guild systems, Tangerine Dream would be an entity of synthesists at various stages of growth, and Edgar would be the master at their head. Perhaps at the bottom of the scale, a young aspirant would start off by learning how to archive stuff, work their way up to learning how to sample and set loop points, program sounds, then do a bass sequence, etc., and eventually rise into the 'upper ranks' and be able to perform live as T.D. Then when someone left to start their own guild (like C.F., etc.), there would be others ready to fill their place. When doing a soundtrack, Edgar would come in to sketch out a few ideas, then come back to evaluate, perhaps lay down a couple lead lines, and bless the thing before it went out. Kind of like Michael Hague the illutrator. Or Hans Zimmer. Hmm, maybe T.D. needs to be set up like a wizard's school! :-) << Subject: Re: A picture speaks more than 1000 words... on 24/06/02 21:24, Paul Lawler at lawlermusic@b... wrote: > There are no new albums/tours etc, so apart from tree projects life in the > TD lane is a bit slow wouldn`t you think ? > > Paul > True, but I'm not sure I'd still be touring if I was his age, normal that he's lifting his foot off the gas a bit! But let's not forget that they were promoting their 'new' album with this gig and the 2 before it... the other Paul>>> Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34500 Re: Slowing down Administrator for kay-net.com Tue 6/25/2002 4 KB 34573 Re: Slowing down Dan Downey Fri 6/28/2002 5 KB 34575 WARNING: Froeses Macula Transfer COUTERFEITS on E Rainer Rutka Fri 6/28/2002 3 KB 34579 AW: [tadream] WARNING: Froeses Macula Transfer CO Herbert Fri 6/28/2002 3 KB 34627 Re: AW: [tadream] WARNING: Froeses Macula Transfe TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak Mon 7/1/2002 5 KB 34635 Re: AW: [tadream] WARNING: Froeses Macula Transfe Joe Shoults Mon 7/1/2002 2 KB 34639 Re: AW: [tadream] WARNING: Froeses Macula Transfe Joe Shoults Mon 7/1/2002 4 KB From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Tue Jun 25, 2002 5:26 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Moods > I think most art, and artists are subjective though and the desired intent is not always the desired result. That statement I think is more true than one might think. I do think that if this is the case then the artiest must deal with. They might be misunderstood as to why they have that sad face when they are making so joyous music? (tears of a clown)(just a figure of speech) I often wonder what moods and thought run thru TD's band members on some tracks. Is the audience outcome what they expected? or was it something else? Putting this at a individual level, what affects me one way will surely affect another differently. So there is a dynamic between individuals and groups of people. Similar to Solos and Orchestra. When I try to intimate some of TD's work, I find myself trying to think of what they must have felt when they where playing it or the mind set that went into it. Tangram was difficult for me, as an example, as it had some hidden parts underneath the main which if removed left it hollow. Dale Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 10:06 AM Subject: [tadream] Moods > Moods... > > Perhaps what someone like Robert Fripp might say... (e.g. I'm acknowledging that this is not necessarily an original idea of mine, though I have thought about it a lot)... > > In an objective piece of art, it could be stated that the artist would create the art to transmit a certain mood (or information), and that that mood would then transpire in the listener accordingly. > > A modern day and immediate example of this would be a successful movie soundtrack. A not modern day example would be something like Chartes cathedral and similar places as well as some religious art. > > I think most art, and artists are subjective though and the desired intent is not always the desired result. > > Not necessarily bad. If the music makes you 'feel' something then that's good. If the music was intended to make people cry and they laugh instead, just don't tell them what you intended!!! > > :-) > > << Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 11:52:42 -0700 > From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' > Subject: Re: A picture speaks more than 1000 words... > > well I did post this last week > > Most will tell you when listening to TD, a certain mood maybe called up. > Depends on the music. > > Now for those who create the music which ties back to TD, what mood do you > think they where in when creating some of the tracks? Do you think the same > mood is what is conveyed or intrepided by the listener? > > Dale > > > > under moods > > I just figuered it too deep a topic perhaps or maybe I was just being dissed > as I should...>>> > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Tue Jun 25, 2002 5:29 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Slowing down I did see a post a week or so back referring to Edgar and his thoughts on finding a servant. Someone who would do as intended. Perhaps a clue? Such a guild would be worth joining. That is, if one could meet the test? Snatch the pebble from my hand? or ? dale Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 10:19 AM Subject: [tadream] Slowing down > In the 'old days' of the medieval guild systems, Tangerine Dream would be an entity of synthesists at various stages of growth, and Edgar would be the master at their head. Perhaps at the bottom of the scale, a young aspirant would start off by learning how to archive stuff, work their way up to learning how to sample and set loop points, program sounds, then do a bass sequence, etc., and eventually rise into the 'upper ranks' and be able to perform live as T.D. Then when someone left to start their own guild (like C.F., etc.), there would be others ready to fill their place. > > When doing a soundtrack, Edgar would come in to sketch out a few ideas, then come back to evaluate, perhaps lay down a couple lead lines, and bless the thing before it went out. > > Kind of like Michael Hague the illutrator. > > Or Hans Zimmer. > > Hmm, maybe T.D. needs to be set up like a wizard's school! > > :-) > > > << Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 22:18:41 +0200 > From: Paul Fellows > Subject: Re: A picture speaks more than 1000 words... > > on 24/06/02 21:24, Paul Lawler at lawlermusic@b... wrote: > > > > There are no new albums/tours etc, so apart from tree projects life in the > > TD lane is a bit slow wouldn`t you think ? > > > > Paul > > > > True, but I'm not sure I'd still be touring if I was his age, normal that > he's lifting his foot off the gas a bit! But let's not forget that they > were promoting their 'new' album with this gig and the 2 before it... > > the other Paul>>> > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Morgan Feldon Date: Tue Jun 25, 2002 9:14 pm Subject: Order of the Edgar Guild I have to come out against this Guild conversation. Sorry if I am raining on anyone's parade, but Chris Franke and Peter Baumann brought their talents to TD. Edgar didn't really teach them to my knowledge. And the idea that Edgar is looking for a subordinate, it has been said by many people on this list (and the UWP list) in the last 7 years that the fact that Edgar is now playing with others who generally 'fall into line' and do what he wants that is the reason why TD music post-1989 COULD be so much better. There are gems to be had on most every TD album since Franke left. But I long for a time when every nanosecond of music was genius. As long as TD was a group of diametrically opposed forces, each with strong ideas, TD was stellar. Now that TD has 'kept it in the family', things have changed forever. Again, not to rain on anyone's parade, but as pleasant as Dream Mixes 1-3 are, Jerome is 3-5 years behind the curve. Other dance artists and DJs are out there creating and inventing. Jerome is adapting and reshaping what's already been done stylistically. I remember when many TD fans would hope and pray that Edgar would hire someone on with different opinions and fresh ideas. I don't hear much of that hope anymore. -Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34502 Re: Order of the Edgar Guild Administrator for kay-net.com Tue 6/25/2002 4 KB From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Tue Jun 25, 2002 9:45 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Order of the Edgar Guild > As long as TD was a group of diametrically opposed forces, each with strong > ideas, TD was stellar. Along those lines, this can be said of Bad Company, ELO, Styx and many others. Something about conflict, human nature and art... the mix in right combinations sometimes leads to great things. dale Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Morgan Feldon' To: Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 2:14 PM Subject: [tadream] Order of the Edgar Guild > I have to come out against this Guild conversation. Sorry if I am raining > on anyone's parade, but Chris Franke and Peter Baumann brought their > talents to TD. Edgar didn't really teach them to my knowledge. > > And the idea that Edgar is looking for a subordinate, it has been said by > many people on this list (and the UWP list) in the last 7 years that the > fact that Edgar is now playing with others who generally 'fall into line' > and do what he wants that is the reason why TD music post-1989 COULD be so > much better. > > There are gems to be had on most every TD album since Franke left. But I > long for a time when every nanosecond of music was genius. > > As long as TD was a group of diametrically opposed forces, each with strong > ideas, TD was stellar. > > Now that TD has 'kept it in the family', things have changed forever. > > Again, not to rain on anyone's parade, but as pleasant as Dream Mixes 1-3 > are, Jerome is 3-5 years behind the curve. Other dance artists and DJs are > out there creating and inventing. Jerome is adapting and reshaping what's > already been done stylistically. > > I remember when many TD fans would hope and pray that Edgar would hire > someone on with different opinions and fresh ideas. I don't hear much of > that hope anymore. > > -Morgan > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'tei waz' Date: Tue Jun 25, 2002 9:52 pm Subject: re: edgar guild/parasitic vs symbiotic So when did the symbiosis of TD become parasitic? this oughta disquiet the list a tad..... _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34504 Re: edgar guild/parasitic vs symbiotic Administrator for kay-net.com Tue 6/25/2002 3 KB 34507 Re: edgar guild/parasitic vs symbiotic Mark Filipak Tue 6/25/2002 4 KB 34510 Re: edgar guild/parasitic vs symbiotic Administrator for kay-net.com Tue 6/25/2002 5 KB From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Tue Jun 25, 2002 9:58 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] re: edgar guild/parasitic vs symbiotic Looking to twist the list a tad off plum? How about playing Mellotron samples in reverse? Would that be considered backward masking? ;-) I gots the Devil in me.... Dale Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'tei waz' To: Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 2:52 PM Subject: [tadream] re: edgar guild/parasitic vs symbiotic > So when did the symbiosis of TD become parasitic? > > this oughta disquiet the list a tad..... > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'tei waz' Date: Tue Jun 25, 2002 10:31 pm Subject: re O.E.G. Morgan writes: >Jerome is 3-5 years behind the curve. Other dance artists and DJs are out there creating and inventing. Can you cite several or at least a few specific examples of released work from said other dance artists/DJs showing them creating and inventing where it hasn't been done before? --T _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34506 Re: re O.E.G. Matthew Sawyer Tue 6/25/2002 3 KB 34524 Re: re O.E.G. jerome Wed 6/26/2002 2 KB 34509 Re: re O.E.G. Administrator for kay-net.com Tue 6/25/2002 4 KB 34514 Re: re O.E.G. Jim Moore Wed 6/26/2002 3 KB 34520 Re: re O.E.G. Dennis Nigbur Wed 6/26/2002 4 KB 34523 Re: re O.E.G. jerome Wed 6/26/2002 3 KB 34526 Re: re O.E.G. jerome Wed 6/26/2002 2 KB 34517 Re: re O.E.G. Admin Wed 6/26/2002 3 KB 34522 Re: re O.E.G. thomas.soucheleau@n... Wed 6/26/2002 3 KB From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Tue Jun 25, 2002 11:08 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] re O.E.G. From: 'tei waz' > Can you cite several or at least a few specific examples of released work > from said other dance artists/DJs showing them creating and inventing > where it hasn't been done before? Future Sound of London and Orbital spring to my mind. I don't really have anything against Jeromes contributions to the band - if it's a choice between Dream Mixes 3 and Destination Berlin I know which CD I'll be playing - but TD are undeniably followers in their current genre, not leaders. IMHO after 30 years of constant output that's not really something to be ashamed of. It would be foolish to expect TD or any other band to still be cranking out albums where 'every nanosecond of music' is genius. But as Morgan stated the creative inbreeding and lack of conflict amoungst band members is probably holding TD back somewhat. Maff _______________________________________________ www.tachyon-tv.co.uk www.maff.da.ru www.mst3uk.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34524 Re: re O.E.G. jerome Wed 6/26/2002 2 KB From: Mark Filipak Date: Tue Jun 25, 2002 11:11 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] edgar guild/parasitic vs symbiotic tei waz wrote: > > So when did the symbiosis of TD become parasitic? > > this oughta disquiet the list a tad..... ~LOL~ You might as well say that Beethoven was parasitic. Over the hill? - Suppose Chris had stayed, eh? Think about it. What would TD be like? What kind of music would the band be making? Edgar guild? - As Morgan has already pointed out, with the possible exception of Baumann and maybe Schnitzler, the members of TD were already accomplished musicians when they joined the band and judging from their later work they have all been strong willed. Edgar-as-papa or Edgar-as-master just don't ring true. Probably the closest to an apprentice is Jerome. Conflict produces brilliance? - I not only disagree with the 'Edgar guild' idea, I disagree also with the 'conflict produces brilliance' concept. What produces brilliant music are ideas and time and work, and a certain amount of courage and stubbornness. I think Edgar excells at all of them, all by himself. But what Edgar really excells at is: vision. Yeah, I'd call Ed a 1st class visionary. Working with him must have been extremely stimuating. The only ex-member who I think has a clear vision is Paul Haslinger. That's pretty ironic because he's the only ex-member who came to TD without experience in experimental music and who has admitted that he looked up to Edgar and kinda went to school with TD. I've been working on some 88 US tour shows and I can't get over how timeless the 'Optical Race' tracks are. 'Mothers of Rain', 'Marakesh', 'Midnight Trail', 'Atlas Eyes', 'Ghazal'... they are all just terrific! It's hard to believe they were with Atari computers. What's easy to believe is that they were all made without Chris Franke. One thing is for sure: No matter what you say on this list, you will find someone who will disagree with you. I have an even more interesting question than what you think TD would be like today if Chris had stayed... What would the band be like today if TD had WON all those Grammys? (Now THAT oughta disquiet the list a tad.....) And what would today's new age music be like? Ciao -- Mark From: 'tei waz' Date: Tue Jun 25, 2002 11:28 pm Subject: >Future Sound of London and Orbital spring to my mind. OK, using those examples could work, but out on a limb here--those two groups have been resting on their laurels for some time now, too. FSOL finally put out some new product this month (haven't heard isness, yet--did it actually come out?) after what six years? They've certainly rerelased stuff several times (see papua new guinea....) 'Dead cities' came out in 1996 if IIRC--I like that album _a lot_. And of course ISDN's been out a few times, too..... Orbital, when I saw them last live, didn't look a whole lot different from when I saw them first--and if their setlists mean anything they're still doing the same show and it wasn't a lot different than kraftwerk.... --T _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Tue Jun 25, 2002 11:40 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] re O.E.G. Rolling Stones is another that has such longevity. Do you expect each and every song to be like the 60's, 70's, 80's or 90's? Keith Richards somehow still manages to be able to pick up that guitar. That just amazes me. ;-) dale Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Matthew Sawyer' To: Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 4:08 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] re O.E.G. > From: 'tei waz' > > > > Can you cite several or at least a few specific examples of released work > > from said other dance artists/DJs showing them creating and inventing > > where it hasn't been done before? > > > Future Sound of London and Orbital spring to my mind. > > I don't really have anything against Jeromes contributions to the band - if > it's a choice between Dream Mixes 3 and Destination Berlin I know which CD > I'll be playing - but TD are undeniably followers in their current genre, > not leaders. IMHO after 30 years of constant output that's not really > something to be ashamed of. It would be foolish to expect TD or any other > band to still be cranking out albums where 'every nanosecond of music' is > genius. But as Morgan stated the creative inbreeding and lack of conflict > amoungst band members is probably holding TD back somewhat. > > > Maff > _______________________________________________ > www.tachyon-tv.co.uk www.maff.da.ru > www.mst3uk.com > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34514 Re: re O.E.G. Jim Moore Wed 6/26/2002 3 KB 34520 Re: re O.E.G. Dennis Nigbur Wed 6/26/2002 4 KB 34523 Re: re O.E.G. jerome Wed 6/26/2002 3 KB 34526 Re: re O.E.G. jerome Wed 6/26/2002 2 KB From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Tue Jun 25, 2002 11:44 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] edgar guild/parasitic vs symbiotic I have an even more interesting question than what you think TD would be like today if Chris had stayed... >>>>> B5 style? What would the band be like today if TD had WON all those Grammys? (Now THAT oughta disquiet the list a tad.....) >>>>>>> As pointed out, more than likely Edgar would have had Chris pick them up. >>>>> What great thoughts. dale Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Mark Filipak' To: Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 4:11 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] edgar guild/parasitic vs symbiotic > tei waz wrote: > > > > So when did the symbiosis of TD become parasitic? > > > > this oughta disquiet the list a tad..... > > ~LOL~ You might as well say that Beethoven was parasitic. > > Over the hill? - Suppose Chris had stayed, eh? Think about it. What would > TD be like? What kind of music would the band be making? > > Edgar guild? - As Morgan has already pointed out, with the possible > exception of Baumann and maybe Schnitzler, the members of TD were already > accomplished musicians when they joined the band and judging from their > later work they have all been strong willed. Edgar-as-papa or > Edgar-as-master just don't ring true. > > Probably the closest to an apprentice is Jerome. > > Conflict produces brilliance? - I not only disagree with the 'Edgar > guild' idea, I disagree also with the 'conflict produces brilliance' > concept. What produces brilliant music are ideas and time and work, and a > certain amount of courage and stubbornness. I think Edgar excells at all > of them, all by himself. But what Edgar really excells at is: vision. > > Yeah, I'd call Ed a 1st class visionary. Working with him must have been > extremely stimuating. The only ex-member who I think has a clear vision > is Paul Haslinger. That's pretty ironic because he's the only ex-member > who came to TD without experience in experimental music and who has > admitted that he looked up to Edgar and kinda went to school with TD. > > I've been working on some 88 US tour shows and I can't get over how > timeless the 'Optical Race' tracks are. 'Mothers of Rain', 'Marakesh', > 'Midnight Trail', 'Atlas Eyes', 'Ghazal'... they are all just terrific! > It's hard to believe they were with Atari computers. What's easy to > believe is that they were all made without Chris Franke. > > One thing is for sure: No matter what you say on this list, you will find > someone who will disagree with you. > > I have an even more interesting question than what you think TD would be > like today if Chris had stayed... > > What would the band be like today if TD had WON all those Grammys? (Now > THAT oughta disquiet the list a tad.....) > > And what would today's new age music be like? > > Ciao -- Mark > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Tue Jun 25, 2002 11:50 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] (unknown) Since you mention Kraftwerk... what if they had won some awards, where then would techno have gone? Now here is another fine question... Do you think TD might have influenced Kraftwerk a tad, Gary Nueman, Nina and Berlin? dale Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'tei waz' To: Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 4:28 PM Subject: [tadream] (unknown) > > > >Future Sound of London and Orbital spring to my mind. > > OK, using those examples could work, but > > out on a limb here--those two groups have been resting on their laurels for > some time now, too. FSOL finally put out some new product this month > (haven't heard isness, yet--did it actually come out?) after what six years? > They've certainly rerelased stuff several times (see papua new guinea....) > 'Dead cities' came out in 1996 if IIRC--I like that album _a lot_. And of > course ISDN's been out a few times, too..... > > Orbital, when I saw them last live, didn't look a whole lot different from > when I saw them first--and if their setlists mean anything they're still > doing the same show and it wasn't a lot different than kraftwerk.... > > --T > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Jonathan Holt Date: Tue Jun 25, 2002 11:55 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: A picture speaks more than 1000 words... Many thanks for the review, Heiko... I wonder if TD will ever risk playing an 'improvised show' again??? --- Heiko Heerssen wrote: > > No, I was on a (long-before planned) vacation > during that time and > > sadly missed the show. But as I already saw the > concert in Bernau I > > hope that I didn't miss that much!!?!!!?!?? > > Well they played a fantastic improvised concert > which lasted for three hours, > and had Chris Franke & Peter Baumann as guest > musicians...they even had the > Big Moog on stage!! :-) > > errm.... > well..... > > the music was almost 100% identically to what they > played in Bernau. As far > ______________________________________________________________________ Post your ad for free now! http://personals.yahoo.ca From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 12:06 am Subject: Re: [tadream] (unknown) From: 'tei waz' > >Future Sound of London and Orbital spring to my mind. > > OK, using those examples could work, but > > out on a limb here--those two groups have been resting on > their laurels for some time now, too. FSOL finally put out > some new product this month (haven't heard isness, yet--did > it actually come out?) after what six years? After an eternity of faffing around it's finally coming out next month. I've heard it, initially loved it, now I'm not so sure. A couple of very nice tracks in there but on reflection it's nowhere near as original as Lifeforms or as varied as Dead Cities. (As I side note I understand the reason FSOL have been dormant for so long was record company contract difficulties and one of the two band members being very seriously ill). > They've certainly rerelased stuff several times (see papua new guinea....) So have TD. See Dream Sequence, Tangents, IBox, Blue Years etc etc yada yada ;-). > 'Dead cities' came out in 1996 if IIRC--I like that album _a lot_. > And of course ISDN's been out a few times, too..... > > Orbital, when I saw them last live, didn't look a whole lot > different from when I saw them first--and if their setlists mean > anything they're still doing the same show and it wasn't a lot > different than kraftwerk.... If Orbital can be considered the current Dance music 'standard', do you really see TD overtaking them or reinvigorating the genre they currently inhabit? As far as I'm concerned, not for a second. Jeromes stuff is certainly very nice, and his Dream Mixes project picked TD up from the doldrums, but revolutionary it aint. All in my humble and subjective opinion of course. Maff _______________________________________________ www.tachyon-tv.co.uk www.maff.da.ru www.mst3uk.com From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 2:17 am Subject: RE: [tadream] re O.E.G. Is TD still revolutionary? Maybe not, but that's not really a deciding factor with me. My primary concern is if I like the music/sound or not. I'm not going to sit here and claim that I'm a person with the most exquisite tastes; I like bands that were/are innovative and fresh for their time (Pink Floyd, TD, Yes, etc.) and bands that obviously were/are not (Toto, Mr. Mister, and Van Halen). But if I don't enjoy a band's sound, or find it interesting, I usually let it pass after a few tries. I found myself disappointed with most of the 'new' musical groups that came out of the last decade, so I spent my time and money looking into older artists and bands for elements that tickled my fancy. However, I always seemed to enjoy what TD was cooking up in it's various forms. Some people claim that's ass-kissing of some kind, and they're entitled to their opinions. But my parade has been water-proofed for some time now. - jim Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34520 Re: re O.E.G. Dennis Nigbur Wed 6/26/2002 4 KB 34523 Re: re O.E.G. jerome Wed 6/26/2002 3 KB 34526 Re: re O.E.G. jerome Wed 6/26/2002 2 KB From: Liondream@a... Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 4:38 am Subject: rain on! Debate is good. But I never meant to imply that Chris Franke or Peter Baumann or Johannes Schmoelling, or even Paul Haslinger or any of the other people who went through Tangerine Dream's ranks were E.F.'s subordinates. Certainly not when speaking in terms of talent (as far as I know). I was putting forth a hypothetical scenario. Sorry for the confusion. << Subject: Order of the Edgar Guild I have to come out against this Guild conversation. Sorry if I am raining on anyone's parade, but Chris Franke and Peter Baumann brought their talents to TD. Edgar didn't really teach them to my knowledge.>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34519 Re: rain on! Admin Wed 6/26/2002 3 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 5:10 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: A picture speaks more than 1000 words... > Unlike Bernau they had two female dancers on stage which made short > > appearances, they both looked gorgeous ..., but for us the night still > wasn't > > over yet. TDI's manager invited us to a nearby pub and there we had a > couple > > of drinks..we really had a great time there (not to mention the > prostitutes > > that were walking up and down the streets ~lol~) At 3.30 am we stood up > and > > took a taxi which drove us back to our hotel. > > Heiko, I guess from this that your wife didn't go to the show ! > Toby LOL. Just to make it perfectly clear..I was only *watching* the scene :-) My wife doesn't like Tangerine Dream at all and stayed at home, but I think I managed to persuade her to join me for their next 'Inferno' concert at Burg Nideggen this August. Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34521 Re: A picture speaks more than 1000 words... TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak Wed 6/26/2002 2 KB From: 'Admin' Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 5:47 am Subject: Re: [tadream] re O.E.G. Nice comments. The music is always the deciding factor isn't it? Some might say just do art for art's sake. Most however, come back to TD for the music. The other bands have their place, no one can take that way. The music and the ideas were there and still are. dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Jim Moore' To: Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 7:17 PM Subject: RE: [tadream] re O.E.G. > Is TD still revolutionary? Maybe not, but that's not really a deciding > factor with me. My primary concern is if I like the music/sound or not. > I'm not going to sit here and claim that I'm a person with the most > exquisite tastes; I like bands that were/are innovative and fresh for > their time (Pink Floyd, TD, Yes, etc.) and bands that obviously were/are > not (Toto, Mr. Mister, and Van Halen). But if I don't enjoy a band's > sound, or find it interesting, I usually let it pass after a few tries. > > I found myself disappointed with most of the 'new' musical groups that > came out of the last decade, so I spent my time and money looking into > older artists and bands for elements that tickled my fancy. However, I > always seemed to enjoy what TD was cooking up in it's various forms. > Some people claim that's ass-kissing of some kind, and they're entitled > to their opinions. But my parade has been water-proofed for some time > now. > > - jim > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Admin' Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 5:52 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: A picture speaks more than 1000 words... Perhaps she doesn't want you to 'watch the scene'. I don't even try to talk much about my younger days in Europe around my wife, esp. when I was watching the scene. I wasn't married when I was in Europe. I manage to make most of the clubs most of the nights back them, even to those streets dedicated to the scene side of life. Ah what fun that was. ;-) dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Heiko Heerssen' To: Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 10:10 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: A picture speaks more than 1000 words... > > > > > Unlike Bernau they had two female dancers on stage which made short > > > appearances, they both looked gorgeous ..., but for us the night still > > wasn't > > > over yet. TDI's manager invited us to a nearby pub and there we had a > > couple > > > of drinks..we really had a great time there (not to mention the > > prostitutes > > > that were walking up and down the streets ~lol~) At 3.30 am we stood up > > and > > > took a taxi which drove us back to our hotel. > > > > Heiko, I guess from this that your wife didn't go to the show ! > > Toby > > LOL. Just to make it perfectly clear..I was only *watching* the scene :-) My > wife doesn't like Tangerine Dream at all and stayed at home, but I think I > managed to persuade her to join me for their next 'Inferno' concert at Burg > Nideggen this August. > > Heiko > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Admin' Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 5:58 am Subject: Re: [tadream] rain on! But the leader of the band ... ( see Dan Fogelberg for the rest of the story) ;-) dale ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 9:38 PM Subject: [tadream] rain on! > Debate is good. But I never meant to imply that Chris Franke or Peter Baumann > or Johannes Schmoelling, or even Paul Haslinger or any of the other people > who went through Tangerine Dream's ranks were E.F.'s subordinates. Certainly > not when speaking in terms of talent (as far as I know). I was putting forth > a hypothetical scenario. Sorry for the confusion. > > > << Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 16:14:51 -0500 > From: Morgan Feldon > Subject: Order of the Edgar Guild > > I have to come out against this Guild conversation. Sorry if I am raining > on anyone's parade, but Chris Franke and Peter Baumann brought their > talents to TD. Edgar didn't really teach them to my knowledge.>>> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 8:42 am Subject: RE: [tadream] re O.E.G. Is it still possible to be revolutionary in a post-modern age of art and music? In the context in which TD were formed, they constituted a unique blend of classical and rock ideas and, most importantly, an expressionist agenda and futuristic technical approach that hadn't been there before. Today, crossover of various descriptions is so commonplace, sounds are so diverse and technology is so sophisticated that it becomes hard to be original, let alone revolutionary. TD is still trying to carve out a niche for themselves in the contemporary scene, which is illustrated by their continuing resistance to let themselves be categorised among rock, pop, classical, techno or other musical movements. But with such a variety of music around and so many people who are - after 30+ years of TD music - heavily influenced by the masters themselves, how can they still hope to be revolutionary? All they can do is to keep trying to push boundaries and demonstrate their undoubted competence. Dennis On 25 Jun 2002 at 22:17, Jim Moore wrote: > Is TD still revolutionary? Maybe not, but that's not really a > deciding factor with me. My primary concern is if I like the > music/sound or not. I'm not going to sit here and claim that I'm a > person with the most exquisite tastes; I like bands that were/are > innovative and fresh for their time (Pink Floyd, TD, Yes, etc.) and > bands that obviously were/are not (Toto, Mr. Mister, and Van Halen). > But if I don't enjoy a band's sound, or find it interesting, I usually > let it pass after a few tries. > > I found myself disappointed with most of the 'new' musical groups that > came out of the last decade, so I spent my time and money looking into > older artists and bands for elements that tickled my fancy. However, > I always seemed to enjoy what TD was cooking up in it's various forms. > Some people claim that's ass-kissing of some kind, and they're > entitled to their opinions. But my parade has been water-proofed for > some time now. > > - jim > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34523 Re: re O.E.G. jerome Wed 6/26/2002 3 KB From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak Date: Wed Jun 19, 2002 9:30 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: A picture speaks more than 1000 words... >LOL. Just to make it perfectly clear..I was only *watching* the scene :-) My >wife doesn't like Tangerine Dream at all and stayed at home, but I think I >managed to persuade her to join me for their next 'Inferno' concert at Burg >Nideggen this August. > >Heiko > *My wife was there... ;-) Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: www.tdimusic.com Have a nice day! From: thomas.soucheleau@n... Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 10:10 am Subject: Re: RE: [tadream] re O.E.G. 'Is it still possible to be revolutionary in a post-modern age of art and music?' I am the network. You are on the network... To me, nothing really new has been made since the end of the 70's (and I won't digress on the fact that the whole western civilization doesn't seem to have invented anything really new for decades and probably won't do in the future). Then, came the 80's, Madonna, Michael Jackson and the big big business. Of course, there were (and there are still) some interesting bands but true innovation was already gone. In a way, it is a clever move that Edgar seems to try to associate TD's music to events (art = event in the contemporary perspective). If I recall, Mars Polaris was made for the Klang Art festival. And of course, there is Inferno. Thomas. ------------------------------------------------------------- NetCourrier, votre bureau virtuel sur Internet : Mail, Agenda, Clubs, Toolbar... Web/Wap : www.netcourrier.com Téléphone/Fax : 08 92 69 00 21 (0,34 € TTC/min) Minitel: 3615 NETCOURRIER (0,15 € TTC/min) From: jerome Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 11:18 am Subject: RE: [tadream] re O.E.G. --- Dennis Nigbur wrote: > Is it still possible to be revolutionary in a post-modern age of art and > music? new things are being created constantly... most people tend to have a limited view of the world, seeing only 1st world mass media/culture as having any impact... or importance... there is much that occurs in the world of artistic expression that is never heard of, but is still new and/or innovative... classical music (a prime example of 1st world mass culture) enthusiasts thought over and over that there was no where to go and that there was nothing more that could be original... and after every new innovation, like stravinsky, they say 'NOW there's nothing more that can be done...'... then along comes someone else... and someone else... like philip glass... it's very difficult to get a perspective of historical context when your nose is pressed to the opaque wall of the future overlaid with the thin veneer of the present... no fears... just because you can't see it doesn't mean it isn't there... it is very difficult to pick out the few drops of creative art in a vast sea of recreative art... but when you're swimming in that sea, it's nigh impossible... it can be said that the art that has the most influence is that which is cast off by an artist who is only focused on achieving the very heights of his art and not on the effect his art has on it's audience... jerome __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From: jerome Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 11:22 am Subject: Re: [tadream] re O.E.G. > IMHO after 30 years of constant output that's not really > something to be ashamed of. It would be foolish to expect TD or any other > band to still be cranking out albums where 'every nanosecond of music' is > genius. agreed... however, there are a few who, while not acheiving the 'every nano second' come damn close... rush springs to mind... a constant challenge of oneself as an artist is the only way to progress... jerome __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 1:27 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: A picture speaks more than 1000 words... Martin: Is TD still planning on visiting Atlanta later in the year for the next canticle? I want to make sure we don't fall of the radar screen! -jim -----Original Message----- >From: 'TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak' >*My wife was there... ;-) From: jerome Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 2:16 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] re O.E.G. > and bands that obviously were/are > not (Toto, Mr. Mister, and Van Halen). if i may be so bold, toto, while having their definite bad moments, is and was still one of the most innovative 'pop' bands to ever grace the markt... as pop goes, they often have some of the strongest rhythms and lasting chord progressions... sorry for the off topic post, but as someone must said 'attention must be paid!'... ;) jerome __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 2:32 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] live e.m. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' > Bill's right. I also get his info on the EM list. > It's a struggle. I just keep thinking about the starving artiest events. > This is what it reminds me of. Wanna see it a few more times? Join analog, beyond_em, the_ambient_way, Analogue Heaven, AIMusic, Looper's Delight, etc. :-) Cheers, Bill From: Rainer Rutka Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 9:38 pm Subject: Rubycon Super Audio CD (SACD): worth the $50 ? Hi you all! Just a question: I found the Rubycon Super Audio CD some weeks ago, but I don`t own a SACD player at the moment. Is there anybody out, who owns such a player? How`s about the sound quality? Is it worth the high price for the SACD? I paid approx. 50$ for that item. See on my NEW!-page at: www.rutka.de/td See you. Rainer PS: I added approx. 50 new items to my TD site. Some strange things too. Check it out: Cassette Promos (Virgin), Italian Ultima Thule, Japan- Promos and many many more.... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34540 Re: Rubycon Super Audio CD (SACD): worth the $50 thomas b Wed 6/26/2002 4 KB From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 4:09 pm Subject: Re: RE: [tadream] re O.E.G. TD related to ART? Was a clue in some of my post in the past few days? Me thinks you are right and Edgar is right to do this. A logical move in the sea of wantabees. Dale Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 3:10 AM Subject: Re: RE: [tadream] re O.E.G. 'Is it still possible to be revolutionary in a post-modern age of art and music?' I am the network. You are on the network... To me, nothing really new has been made since the end of the 70's (and I won't digress on the fact that the whole western civilization doesn't seem to have invented anything really new for decades and probably won't do in the future). Then, came the 80's, Madonna, Michael Jackson and the big big business. Of course, there were (and there are still) some interesting bands but true innovation was already gone. In a way, it is a clever move that Edgar seems to try to associate TD's music to events (art = event in the contemporary perspective). If I recall, Mars Polaris was made for the Klang Art festival. And of course, there is Inferno. Thomas. ------------------------------------------------------------- NetCourrier, votre bureau virtuel sur Internet : Mail, Agenda, Clubs, Toolbar... Web/Wap : www.netcourrier.com Téléphone/Fax : 08 92 69 00 21 (0,34 ? TTC/min) Minitel: 3615 NETCOURRIER (0,15 ? TTC/min) ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: John McIntyre Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 4:42 pm Subject: soundtrack spottings Chris Franke did the soundtrack for _The Calling_, a Rosemary's Baby rip-off that does add a few twists at the end that Ira Levin did not use. It's another orchestral affair with no audible electronics. Paul Haslinger gets a song credit for _The Mothman Prophecies_ and _Minority Report_. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre@p... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34531 Re: soundtrack spottings Administrator for kay-net.com Wed 6/26/2002 3 KB 34544 Re: soundtrack spottings Jim Moore Thu 6/27/2002 3 KB From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 4:50 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] soundtrack spottings Paul Haslinger gets a song credit for _The Mothman Prophecies_ and _Minority > Report_. I am not sure which scenes it was but the entire score for both of them was rather good. dale Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'John McIntyre' To: Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 9:42 AM Subject: [tadream] soundtrack spottings > Chris Franke did the soundtrack for _The Calling_, a Rosemary's Baby rip-off that > does add a few twists at the end that Ira Levin did not use. It's another > orchestral affair with no audible electronics. > > Paul Haslinger gets a song credit for _The Mothman Prophecies_ and _Minority > Report_. > > John McIntyre > Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept > Michigan State University > mcintyre@p... > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: PENFOLD Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 5:53 pm Subject: OT: FW: Yahoo Censorship We might think about switching the mailing list from Yahoo to another server (NOT Topica, though they're on many indexes as a Spammers) This little missive came though on another list I'm subbed to. If Yahoo is gonna cave in and kowtow to some conservative homophobic prudes, we might seriously think about taking our business somewhere else. I happen to know Cabana Boy, and count many gays/lesbians in my circle of friends and it pains me to see this happen. On a possible solution part: I picked up a domain name for myself (penfold.net) and another friend of mine in the LA area, who's gonna be setting himself up a domain hosting business within a month or so. I could inquire as to the possibility and logistics of him hosting a mailing list for the TD Freaks (I believe he's gonna be hosting some mailing lists, because Topica's starting to have some problems with some listizens (including myself)) I don't know the cost, he could include it in the hosting fee for me as a favour. At 5:29 PM +0000 6/25/02, cabana boy wrote: Hi ya folks, So this morning I got a call from my friend Brian who manages the Guerrilla Queer Bar website which is hosted by geocities/Yahoo. It seems that someone deemed our website pornographic and deleted it without any notice. We are not sure, but fear that our extensive archive materials are gone. We do not believe our website contained any pornogarphic material, there may have been a photo from a party which had some nakedness somewhere in the archives but nothing to be considering pornographic. We are trying to sort out what to do. First priority is to retrieve the info. We actually have another service we were preparing to transfer all the information to. Second, we believe that we were subject to some conservative yank's personal judgement against our unapologetically queer content. We want to get the word out there that gays/lesbians/queers etc. should avoid using yahoo and depending on the outcome of our retrieval of content we may want to take further action. Pete Isaacson aka °º¤ø,¸DJ DreamHead¸,ø¤º° mailto:penfold@a...?subject=DJDreamHead http://www.anet.net/~penfold/)^(djdreamhead.html Yahoo Chat: penfold235 ····· AIM: PENFOLD235 1984, Saw 'The Keep' LP at Tower Records, actually held it, didn't have the $$.....Damn!!!!! 'Absence of the KEEP LP is not evidence of its non-existence.' - Steven Feldman Watch the Coasters Grow! at: http://www.anet.net/~penfold/coastergarden.html Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34533 Re: OT: FW: Yahoo Censorship Administrator for kay-net.com Wed 6/26/2002 6 KB From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 6:19 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: FW: Yahoo Censorship That is interesting but what if I , who is a ISP, who have multiple Web Hosting operations, decided to plug myself upon this list? Who's business is nation wide dial up in over 2000 cities and several countries considered advertising that info onto this list? Would I do such a thing? I have many gay friends too, I hate seeing this done. If there was nada on the site and even if it was, they should have been told, hey this is on this site, you need to remove it by such and such time. When I pull the plug on no paying sites I host, I do not delete them. I simply remove the directory, copying all the files onto a different area in case they come back with funds due or ask me for a copy. I typically let them have it without ransom. In fact I can't remember ransoming anything lately. Perhaps that is the pirate needs to be let out a bit.... ;-) dale Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'PENFOLD' To: Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 10:53 AM Subject: [tadream] OT: FW: Yahoo Censorship > We might think about switching the mailing list from Yahoo to > another server (NOT Topica, though they're on many indexes as a Spammers) > This little missive came though on another list I'm subbed to. If > Yahoo is gonna cave in and kowtow to some conservative homophobic prudes, > we might seriously think about taking our business somewhere else. > I happen to know Cabana Boy, and count many gays/lesbians in my > circle of friends and it pains me to see this happen. > > On a possible solution part: > I picked up a domain name for myself (penfold.net) and another > friend of mine in the LA area, who's gonna be setting himself up a domain > hosting business within a month or so. I could inquire as to the > possibility and logistics of him hosting a mailing list for the TD Freaks > (I believe he's gonna be hosting some mailing lists, because Topica's > starting to have some problems with some listizens (including myself)) > I don't know the cost, he could include it in the hosting fee for > me as a favour. > > At 5:29 PM +0000 6/25/02, cabana boy wrote: > Hi ya folks, > So this morning I got a call from my friend Brian who manages the Guerrilla > Queer Bar website which is hosted by geocities/Yahoo. It seems that someone > deemed our website pornographic and deleted it without any notice. > > We are not sure, but fear that our extensive archive materials are gone. > > We do not believe our website contained any pornogarphic material, there > may have been a photo from a party which had some nakedness somewhere in > the archives but nothing to be considering pornographic. > > We are trying to sort out what to do. > > First priority is to retrieve the info. We actually have another service we > were preparing to transfer all the information to. > > Second, we believe that we were subject to some conservative yank's > personal judgement against our unapologetically queer content. We want to > get the word out there that gays/lesbians/queers etc. should avoid using > yahoo and depending on the outcome of our retrieval of content we may want > to take further action. > > > > > Pete Isaacson aka °º¤ø,¸DJ DreamHead¸,ø¤º° > mailto:penfold@a...?subject=DJDreamHead > http://www.anet.net/~penfold/)^(djdreamhead.html > Yahoo Chat: penfold235 ····· AIM: PENFOLD235 > 1984, Saw 'The Keep' LP at Tower Records, actually held it, didn't have the > $$.....Damn!!!!! > 'Absence of the KEEP LP is not evidence of its non-existence.' - Steven > Feldman > > Watch the Coasters Grow! at: http://www.anet.net/~penfold/coastergarden.html > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: PENFOLD Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 7:06 pm Subject: test.....please ignore Testing.....testing is this thing on? Pete Isaacson aka °º¤ø,¸DJ DreamHead¸,ø¤º° mailto:penfold@a...?subject=DJDreamHead http://www.anet.net/~penfold/)^(djdreamhead.html Yahoo Chat: penfold235 ····· AIM: PENFOLD235 1984, Saw 'The Keep' LP at Tower Records, actually held it, didn't have the $$.....Damn!!!!! 'Absence of the KEEP LP is not evidence of its non-existence.' - Steven Feldman Watch the Coasters Grow! at: http://www.anet.net/~penfold/coastergarden.html Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34536 Re: test.....please ignore PERGAMON Wed 6/26/2002 2 KB From: Morgan Feldon Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 7:16 pm Subject: Yahoo Censorship Dale, Pretty hard to understand the gist of your last post. I just want to see that nobody apologizes for Yahoo's tactics. They bought out eGroups, then ran it into the ground. They delete groups without prior notification or making any backup or data available to the list owner. They lock out/delete list owners so they can't administrate their own lists. They delist groups from the directory at will. They don't make available any e-mail, chat, or any other contact. There is no way to file a grievance to my knowledge. I still think the ideal venue for tadream to move to is a threaded forum with daily e-mail digest available to those who have metered internet, but I know it will take something drastic for people to want to do that. I hope Joe is making backups of the list in case Yahoo decides to delete us without warning (As they have done to hundreds of other groups with no explanation given). -Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34538 Re: Yahoo Censorship Administrator for kay-net.com Wed 6/26/2002 4 KB 34543 Re: Yahoo Censorship PENFOLD Thu 6/27/2002 3 KB 34555 Re: Yahoo Censorship mikebrowder Thu 6/27/2002 2 KB From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 7:14 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] test.....please ignore ----- Original Message ----- From: 'PENFOLD' > Testing.....testing > is this thing on? No it isn't................ From: 'C. Chambers' Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 8:02 pm Subject: RE: RE: [tadream] re O.E.G. > To me, nothing really new has been made since the end of the 70's > (and I won't digress on the fact that the whole western > civilization doesn't seem to have invented anything really new > for decades and probably won't do in the future). > Then, came the 80's, Madonna, Michael Jackson and the big big business. Okay...diving in here. So what is 'new' or 'invented'? Anything new is always linked to something that appeared previously, if only in comparison or reflection. So to say that nothing new has been developed since the 70's in music, is fallacy to me. Maybe your perception of newness is limited by your own prejudices or willingness to broaden your horizons. I truly believe that the greatest inventions (esp. in music) are fueled by the attempts of others that came before (whether 'successful' or not) but are created by the contemporary visionaries. Case in point: The duo of Brendan Perry and Lisa Gerrard, 'created' a style of music and became known as the group Dead Can Dance. The name of the band comes from the notion that even 'dead' things can live again, or more specifically, 'dead' music still can stir the heart. They based their musical styles on authentic musical structures of ancient songs and rhythms, blending historical musical artforms with current technological capabilities. They travelled the world in search of authentic ancient instruments that they could master as musicians and then bring into the studio (and on tour) alongside the guitar/drums/bass/keyboards/samplers of the modern age. They studied traditional vocal and percussive techniques from the middle east, south america, africa, far east and native american, then created 'new' music through their blending of old (and sometimes many different 'old') styles and instruments with the latest in instrumentation and technique. This to me is 'new'...this to me is visionary. Another contemporary artist that comes to mind is Mark O'Connor. He has taken american folk/bluegrass style instrumentation and techniques and skillfully married them with modern classical compositions. He has blended the genres (which were both 'old') and through skillful construction and virtuoustic mastery of both technique and his fiddle/violin, has created some of the most exciting 'new' classical music to come along in some time. This to me is visionary. Tangerine Dream was doing the same in the 70's. Taking standard musical structures and ideas and re-creating them using the latest in contemporary instrumentation. They paid homage to Stockhausen and Riley, threw in some Hendrix for good measure, then stirred it up with some great Moog and Mellotron work. Was it all entirely new? No...just the work of some visionaries. So I guess my point it this...'new' is funny in art and music (and most things really), as there is rarely anything that is truly 'invented'...all things are merely amalgams of things past and present. It is the visionaries amongst us that breath life into the 'new'. By clearly seeing the past and present, they can truly create the future. Just my couple of pennies. Craig From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 8:07 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Yahoo Censorship I am with you. I was just poking at Penfold that there are some on this list who can do what he was saying... just we have not had to go that route yet. Do you Yahoo? Only because of this list, a5k sampler, EM, valley music, hey I think that is it as I killed off the rest. Otherwise, I would have never used Yahoo for anything... dale Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Morgan Feldon' To: Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 12:16 PM Subject: [tadream] Yahoo Censorship > Dale, > > Pretty hard to understand the gist of your last post. > > I just want to see that nobody apologizes for Yahoo's tactics. > > They bought out eGroups, then ran it into the ground. > > They delete groups without prior notification or making any backup or data > available to the list owner. > > They lock out/delete list owners so they can't administrate their own lists. > > They delist groups from the directory at will. > > They don't make available any e-mail, chat, or any other contact. There is > no way to file a grievance to my knowledge. > > I still think the ideal venue for tadream to move to is a threaded forum > with daily e-mail digest available to those who have metered internet, but > I know it will take something drastic for people to want to do that. > > I hope Joe is making backups of the list in case Yahoo decides to delete us > without warning (As they have done to hundreds of other groups with no > explanation given). > > -Morgan > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 8:17 pm Subject: Re: RE: [tadream] re O.E.G. Craig For it is written, there is nada new under the sun. 'New', means most likely new to me. Inventions or discoveries, that is where TD art came from. I am sure for everything we hear today, it can be compared back to something that was before. Shall any music made from a drum be considered passé? Just how many notes can a human ear hear? How many notes are there really anyway? How many combinations (hint do a summation series). I don't think anyone will take away Edgar's TD and the influence it has. Dale Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'C. Chambers' To: 'Tadream@Y... Com' Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 1:02 PM Subject: RE: RE: [tadream] re O.E.G. > > > To me, nothing really new has been made since the end of the 70's > > (and I won't digress on the fact that the whole western > > civilization doesn't seem to have invented anything really new > > for decades and probably won't do in the future). > > Then, came the 80's, Madonna, Michael Jackson and the big big business. > > > Okay...diving in here. > > So what is 'new' or 'invented'? > > Anything new is always linked to something that appeared previously, if only > in comparison or reflection. > > So to say that nothing new has been developed since the 70's in music, is > fallacy to me. Maybe your perception of newness is limited by your own > prejudices or willingness to broaden your horizons. I truly believe that > the greatest inventions (esp. in music) are fueled by the attempts of others > that came before (whether 'successful' or not) but are created by the > contemporary visionaries. > > Case in point: > > The duo of Brendan Perry and Lisa Gerrard, 'created' a style of music and > became known as the group Dead Can Dance. The name of the band comes from > the notion that even 'dead' things can live again, or more specifically, > 'dead' music still can stir the heart. They based their musical styles on > authentic musical structures of ancient songs and rhythms, blending > historical musical artforms with current technological capabilities. They > travelled the world in search of authentic ancient instruments that they > could master as musicians and then bring into the studio (and on tour) > alongside the guitar/drums/bass/keyboards/samplers of the modern age. They > studied traditional vocal and percussive techniques from the middle east, > south america, africa, far east and native american, then created 'new' > music through their blending of old (and sometimes many different 'old') > styles and instruments with the latest in instrumentation and technique. > This to me is 'new'...this to me is visionary. > > Another contemporary artist that comes to mind is Mark O'Connor. He has > taken american folk/bluegrass style instrumentation and techniques and > skillfully married them with modern classical compositions. He has blended > the genres (which were both 'old') and through skillful construction and > virtuoustic mastery of both technique and his fiddle/violin, has created > some of the most exciting 'new' classical music to come along in some time. > This to me is visionary. > > Tangerine Dream was doing the same in the 70's. Taking standard musical > structures and ideas and re-creating them using the latest in contemporary > instrumentation. They paid homage to Stockhausen and Riley, threw in some > Hendrix for good measure, then stirred it up with some great Moog and > Mellotron work. Was it all entirely new? No...just the work of some > visionaries. > > So I guess my point it this...'new' is funny in art and music (and most > things really), as there is rarely anything that is truly 'invented'...all > things are merely amalgams of things past and present. It is the > visionaries amongst us that breath life into the 'new'. By clearly seeing > the past and present, they can truly create the future. > > Just my couple of pennies. > > Craig From: thomas b Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 8:57 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Rubycon Super Audio CD (SACD): worth the $50 ? Hi Rainer, listened to on an SACD player, the Rubycon disc sounds awesome! SACD is a very well performing machine, but still it comes down to the quality of the transfer from the original analog tapes. Rubycon happens to be a very good transfer, in my opinion almost as good as the original vinyl, and a lot better than any CD version. It has better resolution in the treble, (the old akilles heel of CD is cured), and more grunt in the details, yet sounds more relaxed - playing more with ease, which ultimately makes it easier to focus on the music rather than the sound quality. Hope this helps, because it's just one opinion. I'm sure somebody that doesn't like vinyl will give you a different view. I think the SACD is great! Thomas --- Rainer Rutka wrote: > Hi you all! > > Just a question: > > I found the Rubycon Super Audio CD some weeks ago, > but I don`t own > a SACD player at the moment. Is there anybody out, > who owns such > a player? How`s about the sound quality? Is it worth > the high > price for the SACD? I paid approx. 50$ for that > item. > > See on my NEW!-page at: www.rutka.de/td > > See you. > > Rainer > > PS: I added approx. 50 new items to my TD site. Some > strange things too. > Check it out: Cassette Promos (Virgin), Italian > Ultima Thule, Japan- > Promos and many many more.... > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > www.rutka.de/td > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > - - - - - - - - - - - > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From: PENFOLD Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 7:31 pm Subject: OT: More Trials & Tribulations of growing a Coaster Garden I've gotta tell about what happened this last Sunday: Went to my local Kinko's to stock up on Coasters, they had TWO boxes sitting there. Picked up the first box and walked out.....no problem Returned for the second box.....one of their Wage Slaves actually followed me to my car! I should have locked my door, because he actually OPENED the door to my car and held it to prevent me from closing it! To actually *confront* someone like this is so unbelievably stupid.....especially for something that's *free*! The guy actually had the Chutzpah to threaten to call the Cops and waste their precious time over something that costs Kinko's $0.00 and the customer $0.00.....and to tell me that I'm *shoplifting* I had a few other errands to run and not much time to waste with this so I 'Took One' coaster from the box (the second one was hidden behind the passenger seat) and tossed the rest out onto the ground outside my car.....if he really wanted these things back, make him work for 'em! I'm still in the market for any unwanted CD-ROM/CD-R/CD-RW disks to grow my Coaster Garden. Contact me OFF LIST for details. All people who send me coasters will be acknowledged by name on my web page as Patrons & Contributors! FYI: The coaster count is just over 17,000! Watch the Coasters Grow! at: http://www.anet.net/~penfold/coastergarden.html Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34542 Re: OT: More Trials & Tribulations of growing a C Administrator for kay-net.com Wed 6/26/2002 5 KB 34547 Re: OT: More Trials & Tribulations of growing a C Phil White Thu 6/27/2002 2 KB 34548 Re: OT: More Trials & Tribulations of growing a C Admin Thu 6/27/2002 3 KB 34549 Re: OT: More Trials & Tribulations of growing a C TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak Thu 6/27/2002 3 KB 34551 AW: [tadream] on topic TDI news! Herbert Thu 6/27/2002 3 KB From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 9:37 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: More Trials & Tribulations of growing a Coaster Garden The guy who closed your door, could be considered a assault attack. The fact they cost Kinkos nada and what are you shoplifting, nada, would not set well. If you make a report in to head cheese, I bet action would be taken. The local theaters have long given up now on the disk. The little kids grab handfuls and out the door they go. They exist all thru out the parking lot. The wind picks them up and they actually roll down the street. You can get a discount via the USPS sending cd's in the mail. Tell them, they have a special rate, gets there a few days later but it is a way to send Penfold all the disks he can manage. I have a small collection to scare the birds away but nada like Penfold has.. I saw some of the rods like he uses at the local Pick & Save if anyone is interested. Just how many CD's is illegal in this day and age where the EPA is also knocking on someone's door. Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'PENFOLD' Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 12:31 PM Subject: [tadream] OT: More Trials & Tribulations of growing a Coaster Garden > I've gotta tell about what happened this last Sunday: > > Went to my local Kinko's to stock up on Coasters, they had TWO > boxes sitting there. > Picked up the first box and walked out.....no problem > > Returned for the second box.....one of their Wage Slaves actually > followed me to my car! > I should have locked my door, because he actually OPENED the door > to my car and held it to prevent me from closing it! To actually *confront* > someone like this is so unbelievably stupid.....especially for something > that's *free*! > > The guy actually had the Chutzpah to threaten to call the Cops and > waste their precious time over something that costs Kinko's $0.00 and the > customer $0.00.....and to tell me that I'm *shoplifting* > > I had a few other errands to run and not much time to waste with > this so I 'Took One' coaster from the box (the second one was hidden behind > the passenger seat) and tossed the rest out onto the ground outside my > car.....if he really wanted these things back, make him work for 'em! > > I'm still in the market for any unwanted CD-ROM/CD-R/CD-RW disks > to grow my Coaster Garden. > Contact me OFF LIST for details. All people who send me coasters > will be acknowledged by name on my web page as Patrons & Contributors! > > FYI: The coaster count is just over 17,000! > > Watch the Coasters Grow! at: http://www.anet.net/~penfold/coastergarden.html From: PENFOLD Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 11:34 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Yahoo Censorship At 02.06.26-14:16, Morgan Feldon wrote: >They don't make available any e-mail, chat, or any other contact. There is >no way to file a grievance to my knowledge. A little update: GQB has contacted the EFF about this incident. The EFF contacted one of Yahoo's lawyers. That lawyer did a search and could come up with nothing, which they were confused about because they should have had some record of action taken against GQB. As it stands now all of the content is gone, deleted without a trace. GQB has also notified a journalist in the Bay Area and hopes a story will galvanize the gay community to protest & boycott Yahoo If you wish your displeasure be known, contact Yahoo at the address & phone #'s below.....apparently they don't seem to give a shit and won't read emails, but you can still try to email them at: mailto:geo-alert@y... Yahoo! Inc. 701 First Avenue Sunnyvale, California 94089 Phone (408) 349-3300 Fax (408) 349-3301 Pete Isaacson aka °º¤ø,¸DJ DreamHead¸,ø¤º° mailto:penfold@a...?subject=DJDreamHead http://www.anet.net/~penfold/)^(djdreamhead.html Yahoo Chat: penfold235 ····· AIM: PENFOLD235 1984, Saw 'The Keep' LP at Tower Records, actually held it, didn't have the $$.....Damn!!!!! 'Absence of the KEEP LP is not evidence of its non-existence.' - Steven Feldman Watch the Coasters Grow! at: http://www.anet.net/~penfold/coastergarden.html From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Thu Jun 27, 2002 2:52 am Subject: RE: [tadream] soundtrack spottings Is there any source for the Calling soundtrack besides the German Amazon site? My translation skills have lapsed since college... - jim -----Original Message----- From: John McIntyre [mailto:mcintyre@p...] Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 12:43 PM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] soundtrack spottings Chris Franke did the soundtrack for _The Calling_, a Rosemary's Baby rip-off that does add a few twists at the end that Ira Levin did not use. It's another orchestral affair with no audible electronics. Paul Haslinger gets a song credit for _The Mothman Prophecies_ and _Minority Report_. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre@p... ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'colin anderson' Date: Thu Jun 27, 2002 9:22 am Subject: TD tribute by Orbital Check out the latest cd release in the 'Back to Mine' series (you'll see it in any of the online music shopping sites). The latest is no.10 in the series and it features Orbital's favourite tracks. In amongst tracks from the likes of The Selecter and PJ Harvey, Orbital have also chosen Network 23 by TD. Here's a link about what the 'Back to Mine' series is all about: http://www.chaosmusic.com/shop/multiPageFeature.asp?currPage=0&specialClass=btm [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34546 Re: TD tribute by Orbital PERGAMON Thu 6/27/2002 3 KB 34564 John Entwistle Jonathan Holt Fri 6/28/2002 2 KB 34566 Re: John Entwistle Admin Fri 6/28/2002 3 KB From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Thu Jun 27, 2002 11:50 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TD tribute by Orbital Hi Are the tracks on this album played by Orbital or the original artists???????????? Regards Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: 'colin anderson' To: Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 11:22 AM Subject: [tadream] TD tribute by Orbital > Check out the latest cd release in the 'Back to Mine' series (you'll see it in any of the online music shopping sites). The latest is no.10 in the series and it features Orbital's favourite tracks. In amongst tracks from the likes of The Selecter and PJ Harvey, Orbital have also chosen Network 23 by TD. Here's a link about what the 'Back to Mine' series is all about: > > http://www.chaosmusic.com/shop/multiPageFeature.asp?currPage=0&specialClass=btm > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Phil White' Date: Thu Jun 27, 2002 2:43 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: More Trials & Tribulations of growing a Coaster Garden What the hell is this all about ? What's it got to do with T.Dream ? Have I entered a parallel universe ? Perplexed Phil From: 'Admin' Date: Thu Jun 27, 2002 2:55 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: More Trials & Tribulations of growing a Coaster Garden YES it started with the fish... Kash Vorlon ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Phil White' To: Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 7:43 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: More Trials & Tribulations of growing a Coaster Garden > What the hell is this all about ? > What's it got to do with T.Dream ? > Have I entered a parallel universe ? > > Perplexed Phil > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34549 Re: OT: More Trials & Tribulations of growing a C TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak Thu 6/27/2002 3 KB 34551 AW: [tadream] on topic TDI news! Herbert Thu 6/27/2002 3 KB From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak Date: Thu Jun 27, 2002 3:28 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: More Trials & Tribulations of growing a Coaster Garden & on topic TDI news! At 07:55 27.06.02 , you wrote: >YES > >it started with the fish... > >Kash >Vorlon > > YES?!?!? I thought this was a TD-list... ;-D sorry for the silly post, but one does need some comic relief from office work sometimes. BTW, to come back on topic: Two further performances of Inferno are now confirmed: Dates: August 23rd and 24th Location: Burg Nideggen am Rhein, near Cologne, Germany I will post soon where tickets can be ordered. We are planning a show in London for autumn. oh yes... and the new and improved TD-site will be up in the next 2 weeks. It will feature a moderated guestbook (yay!), a forum for registered users and a new online shop with secure credit card server - you will also be able to order singular items, then, and will not have to purchase a package of shirt and CD if you only want the CD. I will keep you posted... Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: www.tdimusic.com Have a nice day! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34551 AW: [tadream] on topic TDI news! Herbert Thu 6/27/2002 3 KB From: Armin Theissen Date: Thu Jun 27, 2002 3:37 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: More Trials & Tribulations of growing a Coaster Garden & on topic TDI news! > > BTW, to come back on topic: > > Two further performances of Inferno are now confirmed: good news! > > Dates: August 23rd and 24th > Location: Burg Nideggen am Rhein, near Cologne, Germany bad news! almost my home but one day before my wedding in Bulgaria... > > I will post soon where tickets can be ordered. > > We are planning a show in London for autumn. good news again. > > oh yes... and the new and improved TD-site will be up in the next 2 weeks. > It will feature a moderated guestbook (yay!), a forum for registered users > and a new online shop with secure credit card server - you will also be > able to order singular items, then, and will not have to purchase a package > of shirt and CD if you only want the CD. very good news! I've got too many Tshirts, and they are far too big (american XXXL or so) cheers armin ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen From: 'Herbert' Date: Thu Jun 27, 2002 4:44 pm Subject: AW: [tadream] on topic TDI news! > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > Von: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak [mailto:manager@t...] > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 27. Juni 2002 17:29 > An: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Betreff: Re: [tadream] OT: More Trials & Tribulations of growing a -------------------- > oh yes... and the new and improved TD-site will be up in the > next 2 weeks. > It will feature a moderated guestbook (yay!), a forum for > registered users > and a new online shop with secure credit card server - you > will also be > able to order singular items, then, and will not have to > purchase a package > of shirt and CD if you only want the CD. > > I will keep you posted... > > ------------------------ Fine. I order a TDI Keep CD without the booster or t-shirt stuff. Is that ok? Herbert From: thomas.soucheleau@n... Date: Thu Jun 27, 2002 6:57 pm Subject: Re: RE: RE: [tadream] re O.E.G. 'Anything new is always linked to something that appeared previously, if only in comparison or reflection.' Ok. May be I should not have said new, but fresh or inventive or radically new... I don't know. It's not that I care that much for innovation in music (I actually often have pretty common tastes) but the whole thing was about the 'post-modern age'. Music, to talk only of that, can no longer be appreciated the same way as, say, in the 70's because of the whole cultural context. For exemple, apart from TD, two musicians who created something 'new' to me. Schoenberg : Basically, he's credited for inventing serial music. Of course, he was deeply rooted in the classical musical tradition but his works still sound insane to many listeners today. He created in his time something really different. Glenn Branca : Known for his guitar symphonies. To listen to one of his pieces for the fisrt time is a real experience. This is somenone whose works don't sound like much you can hear by anybody else. Now, the difference between thoses two musicians is that Schoenberg lived during what is generally refered to as the modern age of art. Glenn Branca lives nowdays, in the 'post-modern' world and there no such thing as a Branca school in comparison with the second vienna school of Shoenberg, Berg and Webern. The question that remains is : When every possibility can be accepted as an art form, what can still be considered as new, and are we even still able to tell a difference between new and old? Thomas (hope I wasn't too boring) PS (OT) : What are these posts about parallel worlds and fishes? Dick's divine invasion? ------------------------------------------------------------- NetCourrier, votre bureau virtuel sur Internet : Mail, Agenda, Clubs, Toolbar... Web/Wap : www.netcourrier.com Téléphone/Fax : 08 92 69 00 21 (0,34 € TTC/min) Minitel: 3615 NETCOURRIER (0,15 € TTC/min) From: Ken Beal Date: Thu Jun 27, 2002 9:20 pm Subject: TT Tree #1 for Trade Howdy... I have an extra set of the Tangerine Dream Digital Tree 10 disc set (Vol. 1- 8) available if anyone missed this or their branch broke. Trade only, so send or point me in the direction of your list. TIA. Bro-Ken From: 'noir43' Date: Thu Jun 27, 2002 9:27 pm Subject: TT #2 Has a timeline been generated for the creation of the structure of the tree? Anxious and inquiring minds want to know... ken Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34568 Re: TT #2 Heiko Heerssen Fri 6/28/2002 2 KB 34569 Re: TT #2 Matthew Sawyer Fri 6/28/2002 3 KB 34571 Re: TT #2 PERGAMON Fri 6/28/2002 2 KB 34572 Nideggen update + Info TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak Fri 6/28/2002 3 KB 34574 Re: Nideggen update + Info Rainer Rutka Fri 6/28/2002 3 KB 34576 Re: TT #2 Chris Owen Fri 6/28/2002 3 KB 34578 Re: TT #2 Administrator for kay-net.com Fri 6/28/2002 3 KB From: 'mikebrowder' Date: Thu Jun 27, 2002 9:51 pm Subject: Re: Yahoo Censorship I certainly am not a big fan of Yahoo and their tactics, but I just did a search of yahoo groups using the term 'gay' and got 10953 results, including one for Gay Long-haired Cherokee Indians. Most of these appeared to have the word 'gay' in their group name or description, so maybe it would be unfair to assume that yoohoo is targeting gay content sites/groups for deletion. If a geocities site had any nudity whatsoever (regardless of whether it would be considered pornographic or not) and they find out about it, they delete the site, no warnings given (TOS violation). Although I have no way of knowing for sure, I would suspect yeehah decides which groups to axe based on how much bandwidth they use compared to the amount of $ they generate by users clicking on sponsors ads, or something like that. mike From: Mark Filipak Date: Thu Jun 27, 2002 9:58 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] re O.E.G. thomas.soucheleau@n... wrote: > > The question that remains is : When every possibility can be accepted > as an art form, what can still be considered as new, and are we even > still able to tell a difference between new and old? Maybe I don't get it. To me, everything is new. Every composition is new unless it is a note for note copy, in which case it is the 'other' composition and is not new. Maybe I should ask: What do you mean by new? Ciao -- Mark From: Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid Date: Thu Jun 27, 2002 10:17 pm Subject: OT: John Entwhistle of The Who died in Vegas today... Just heard on CNN Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34560 Re: OT: John Entwhistle of The Who died in Vegas PENFOLD Fri 6/28/2002 2 KB From: 'tei waz' Date: Thu Jun 27, 2002 11:23 pm Subject: RIP John Entwistle :_( I was gonna see 'em on July 3rd.... --T _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34559 Re: RIP John Entwistle Admin Thu 6/27/2002 3 KB From: 'Admin' Date: Thu Jun 27, 2002 11:32 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] RIP John Entwistle Seems you might have to wait a bit longer. A sad day. But one we all must face. dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'tei waz' To: Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 4:23 PM Subject: [tadream] RIP John Entwistle > > :_( > > I was gonna see 'em on July 3rd.... > > --T > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: PENFOLD Date: Thu Jun 27, 2002 11:27 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: John Entwhistle of The Who died in Vegas today... At 02.06.27-18:17, Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid wrote: >Just heard on CNN I just heard from another list i'm on.....they're already composing Haiku in tribute. Pete Isaacson aka °º¤ø,¸DJ DreamHead¸,ø¤º° mailto:penfold@a...?subject=DJDreamHead http://www.anet.net/~penfold/)^(djdreamhead.html Yahoo Chat: penfold235 ····· AIM: PENFOLD235 1984, Saw 'The Keep' LP at Tower Records, actually held it, didn't have the $$.....Damn!!!!! 'Absence of the KEEP LP is not evidence of its non-existence.' - Steven Feldman Watch the Coasters Grow! at: http://www.anet.net/~penfold/coastergarden.html From: 'Admin' Date: Fri Jun 28, 2002 1:11 am Subject: The Keep I got my tape. Started watching it last night. I was wondering... just what is the deal now? Who owns the rights to the movie and the sound track? I think what I seen so far is a good story line, I was wondering... what if it was redone..??? dale From: Morgan Feldon Date: Fri Jun 28, 2002 3:12 am Subject: Tangerine Tree 1 >Ken Beal posted: > >Howdy... > >I have an extra set of the Tangerine Dream Digital Tree 10 disc set (Vol. 1- >8) available if anyone missed this or their branch broke. > >Trade only, so send or point me in the direction of your list. > >TIA. And remember, the Tree is ALWAYS available for FREE with only the price of postage and blanks ($8 or less). Nobody should feel compelled to find a concert/bootleg for trade just to get the Tree. The Tangerine Tree is about preserving history. Edgar won't do it, so other people have to take up the slack. :) -Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34581 Re: Tangerine Tree 1 noir43 Fri 6/28/2002 4 KB 34598 Re: Tangerine Tree 1 Miguel Farah Sat 6/29/2002 3 KB From: Morgan Feldon Date: Fri Jun 28, 2002 3:15 am Subject: Tangerine Tree 2 >noir43 asked: > >Has a timeline been generated for the creation of the structure of >the tree? Anxious and inquiring minds want to know... > >ken You are encouraged to sign up on the tree at http://www.tadream.net/tree/ Not all requests/signups to be a branch will be assumed this time. Branches will be chosen based on who is least busy/most able to get the Tree distributed. Joe Shoults is coordinating with other members of the list to make sure that the Tree is balanced. -Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34915 Tangerine Tree 2 Morgan Feldon Mon 7/22/2002 5 KB 34920 Re: Tangerine Tree 2 Armin Theissen Mon 7/22/2002 6 KB 34922 Tangerine Tree 2 Morgan Feldon Mon 7/22/2002 2 KB 34923 Re: Tangerine Tree 2 Administrator for kay-net.com Mon 7/22/2002 3 KB 35081 Tangerine Tree 2 Morgan Feldon Tue 7/30/2002 2 KB 35082 Re: Tangerine Tree 2 Admin Tue 7/30/2002 3 KB 35085 Re: Tangerine Tree 2 Armin Theissen Tue 7/30/2002 4 KB 35086 Re: Tangerine Tree 2 Heiko Heerssen Tue 7/30/2002 3 KB 35089 Re: Tangerine Tree 2 John Vertical Tue 7/30/2002 2 KB From: Jonathan Holt Date: Fri Jun 28, 2002 3:18 am Subject: John Entwistle Completely off topic but for those TD fans who love rock & roll... The coolest bass player ever has passed on. RIP 'Ox'. I actually just got a cd copy of Who's Next for Father's Day... life is a funny duck. ______________________________________________________________________ Post your ad for free now! http://personals.yahoo.ca Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34566 Re: John Entwistle Admin Fri 6/28/2002 3 KB From: 'Admin' Date: Fri Jun 28, 2002 3:37 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 1 Yes, this is a true statement. If you don't have a copy, I would highly recommend getting one (set of disks). This is like unearthing a rare treasure. It is true that not every track will please you (it might some). The next tree is a must have too. Depends on your view, if you like to see how some of the music came into being (finial version) you will need to hear these disks. The only thing I own close to this type is some early Beetles i.e. Strawberry Fields CD's. I found them very educational in how concepts come to a finial version. dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Morgan Feldon' To: Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 8:12 PM Subject: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 1 > > >Ken Beal posted: > > > >Howdy... > > > >I have an extra set of the Tangerine Dream Digital Tree 10 disc set (Vol. 1- > >8) available if anyone missed this or their branch broke. > > > >Trade only, so send or point me in the direction of your list. > > > >TIA. > > And remember, the Tree is ALWAYS available for FREE with only the price of > postage and blanks ($8 or less). Nobody should feel compelled to find a > concert/bootleg for trade just to get the Tree. > > The Tangerine Tree is about preserving history. Edgar won't do it, so other > people have to take up the slack. :) > > -Morgan > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Admin' Date: Fri Jun 28, 2002 3:53 am Subject: Re: [tadream] John Entwistle Some info sent to me from one of the local stations Dale, John Entwistle, the founding bass player for the WHO was found dead in his hotel room today. The group was scheduled to kick off their American tour on tomorrow in Las Vegas. The show on Saturday (6/29) at the Verizon Wireless Amphitheatre in Irvine and the show at the Hollywood Bowl on Monday (7/1) have been canceled. We're checking on refund information for those of you that bought tickets, and when we get that information, we'll post it on the KLOS Web site at www.955klos.com. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Jonathan Holt' To: Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 8:18 PM Subject: [tadream] John Entwistle > Completely off topic but for those TD fans who love > rock & roll... The coolest bass player ever has passed > on. RIP 'Ox'. > I actually just got a cd copy of Who's Next for > Father's Day... life is a funny duck. > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Post your ad for free now! http://personals.yahoo.ca > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Mark Filipak Date: Fri Jun 28, 2002 5:02 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 1 Morgan Feldon wrote: > > And remember, the Tree is ALWAYS available for FREE with only the > price of postage and blanks ($8 or less). Nobody should feel compelled > to find a concert/bootleg for trade just to get the Tree. Are you speaking for yourself, Morgan? I've traded TT for b&p only when my leaf doesn't have a show (not necessarily TD), and I've also traded for commercial CDs. Here's what I think is fair: 1 recorded CDR for 4 blanks (that's 1 blank in exch. plus 3 more), or 1 recorded CDR for 1 recorded CDR, or 3 recorded CDRs for 1 commercial CD. And if discs go in both directions, then I don't ask for postage -- it's a wash -- but if recorded CDRs go only in one direction (i.e., if I buy the blanks and merely get reimbursed) then I do expect postage for sending the recorded CDRs. One last point: I only make gold discs and expect only gold blanks in return (about 60 cents each, except that Kodak has a 30 cent deal until they run out). I'd like to read what other people think. Ciao -- Mark From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Fri Jun 28, 2002 5:40 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TT #2 > Has a timeline been generated for the creation of the structure of > the tree? Anxious and inquiring minds want to know... Just wanted to give you a small update: this time I plan to send out CDR copies of all the TT2 discs to 25 (!) branches/leaves, and I'm almost done with copying them. So far 10 of the 15 TT2 discs are final versions which will be used for the Tree, the last five remastered discs should be with me in about 1-2 weeks. As soon as I have copied them I can start sending out all my 375 discs. Heiko From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Fri Jun 28, 2002 7:20 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TT #2 From: 'Heiko Heerssen' > Just wanted to give you a small update: this time I plan to send out CDR > copies of all the TT2 discs to 25 (!) branches/leaves, and I'm almost done > with copying them. So far 10 of the 15 TT2 discs are final versions which > will be used for the Tree, the last five remastered discs should be with > me in about 1-2 weeks. As soon as I have copied them I can start sending > out all my 375 discs. 375 discs?!! Now I feel really guilty for only handling two leaves! Maff _______________________________________________ www.tachyon-tv.co.uk www.maff.da.ru www.mst3uk.com From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Fri Jun 28, 2002 10:16 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 1 Hi IMO the idea behind TT was to make some of the 'goodies' available to all TD-fans, not for profits, but for pure interest in TD. This should be kept FREE, not for own personal gain. And remember price of postage and CDR's can be very different from country to country. I know Europe have high prices in postage and not sure about the rest of Europe, but here in Denmark we recently had some extra taxes on CDR's, because of all the piracy going on. Regards Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Mark Filipak' To: Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 7:02 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 1 > Morgan Feldon wrote: > > > > And remember, the Tree is ALWAYS available for FREE with only the > > price of postage and blanks ($8 or less). Nobody should feel compelled > > to find a concert/bootleg for trade just to get the Tree. > > Are you speaking for yourself, Morgan? > > I've traded TT for b&p only when my leaf doesn't have a show (not > necessarily TD), and I've also traded for commercial CDs. Here's what I > think is fair: > > 1 recorded CDR for 4 blanks (that's 1 blank in exch. plus 3 more), or > 1 recorded CDR for 1 recorded CDR, or > 3 recorded CDRs for 1 commercial CD. > > And if discs go in both directions, then I don't ask for postage -- it's > a wash -- but if recorded CDRs go only in one direction (i.e., if I buy > the blanks and merely get reimbursed) then I do expect postage for > sending the recorded CDRs. > > One last point: I only make gold discs and expect only gold blanks in > return (about 60 cents each, except that Kodak has a 30 cent deal until > they run out). > > I'd like to read what other people think. > > Ciao -- Mark > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Fri Jun 28, 2002 10:19 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TT #2 > 375 discs?!! Now I feel really guilty for only handling two leaves! > > Maff You and me both. I just changed my entry from branch to leaf, because of a lot of work.............. Jan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34572 Nideggen update + Info TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak Fri 6/28/2002 3 KB 34574 Re: Nideggen update + Info Rainer Rutka Fri 6/28/2002 3 KB From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak Date: Fri Jun 28, 2002 1:30 pm Subject: Nideggen update + Info Hi Y'all, here´s the official info on the Inferno-shows at Burg Nideggen: Tangerine Dream to perform 'Inferno' at Medieval Castle. It is now officially confirmed that Tangerine Dream will perform 'Inferno' at the 'Festspiele Burg Nideggen', in the scenic location of the yard of the Medieval castle of the town of Nideggen. Nideggen is in the Rhineland and the nearest big city and airport is Cologne. There will be two shows: - Friday, August 23rd, 9 p.m. - Saturday, August 24th, 9 p.m. There will be an optional third show on Saturday, August 24th, midnight, if both shows are sold out. Tickets can be ordered at: www.ticketonline.de Info on Nideggen: www.nideggen.de Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: www.tdimusic.com Have a nice day! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34574 Re: Nideggen update + Info Rainer Rutka Fri 6/28/2002 3 KB From: Dan Downey Date: Fri Jun 28, 2002 2:17 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Slowing down Perhaps they could follow the tradition of Japanese Ukiyo-e masters. You would study with a master learning the craft and when you, in turn, became a master you would adopt part of your master's name and always be associated with his tradition: Utagawa Toyokuni --> Kuniyoshi --> Yoshitoshi etc. I think some of the Dreamwatchers 'guild' could be considered part of the TD school and it would be fun to play with a linear naming convtion. Are there any good nicknames EF has gone by? TD fans may want to check out the Ukiyo-e woodblock printes of Kuniyoshi and Yoshitoshi, unlike the more popular (western) prints of Edo and Samurai etc. they dealt with the fantastic and bizarre. I'm sure that attitudes towards their work may have paralleled how TD was viewed. These printes were mass produced for the general public but are soemwhat rare now and highly sought after by collectors - much like TD DanD --- Liondream@a... wrote: > In the 'old days' of the medieval guild systems, > Tangerine Dream would be an entity of synthesists at > various stages of growth, and Edgar would be the > master at their head. Perhaps at the bottom of the > scale, a young aspirant would start off by learning > how to archive stuff, work their way up to learning > how to sample and set loop points, program sounds, > then do a bass sequence, etc., and eventually rise > into the 'upper ranks' and be able to perform live > as T.D. Then when someone left to start their own > guild (like C.F., etc.), there would be others ready > to fill their place. > > When doing a soundtrack, Edgar would come in to > sketch out a few ideas, then come back to evaluate, > perhaps lay down a couple lead lines, and bless the > thing before it went out. > > Kind of like Michael Hague the illutrator. > > Or Hans Zimmer. > > Hmm, maybe T.D. needs to be set up like a wizard's > school! > > :-) > > > << Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 22:18:41 +0200 > From: Paul Fellows > Subject: Re: A picture speaks more than 1000 > words... > > on 24/06/02 21:24, Paul Lawler at > lawlermusic@b... wrote: > > > > There are no new albums/tours etc, so apart from > tree projects life in the > > TD lane is a bit slow wouldn`t you think ? > > > > Paul > > > > True, but I'm not sure I'd still be touring if I > was his age, normal that > he's lifting his foot off the gas a bit! But > let's not forget that they > were promoting their 'new' album with this gig and > the 2 before it... > > the other Paul>>> > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ===== DanD - aka DJAmbient www.ambientissue.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34575 WARNING: Froeses Macula Transfer COUTERFEITS on E Rainer Rutka Fri 6/28/2002 3 KB 34579 AW: [tadream] WARNING: Froeses Macula Transfer CO Herbert Fri 6/28/2002 3 KB 34627 Re: AW: [tadream] WARNING: Froeses Macula Transfe TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak Mon 7/1/2002 5 KB 34635 Re: AW: [tadream] WARNING: Froeses Macula Transfe Joe Shoults Mon 7/1/2002 2 KB 34639 Re: AW: [tadream] WARNING: Froeses Macula Transfe Joe Shoults Mon 7/1/2002 4 KB From: Rainer Rutka Date: Fri Jun 28, 2002 3:54 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Nideggen update + Info On Fri, 28 Jun 2002, TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak wrote: > Hi Y'all, > here´s the official info on the Inferno-shows at Burg Nideggen: > Tangerine Dream to perform 'Inferno' at Medieval Castle. > - Saturday, August 24th, 9 p.m. I got my ticket for Saturday!! C U all? Rainer ------------------------------------------------------------------------ www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: Rainer Rutka Date: Fri Jun 28, 2002 3:41 pm Subject: WARNING: Froeses Macula Transfer COUTERFEITS on Ebay!!! Hi! This is something like a warning to you all. I know, lots of you are bidding on Ebay (so do I). During the last months a new version of Edgar Froeses MACULA TRANSFER CD emerged on the market. This - new - version is a counterfeit ! ======================================= I know, the original Manikin release sometimes reaches a price of more than 150 US $! But now, you will find this fake on Ebay for the same amount of money. This is why I wrote this warning. Don`t pay overdrawn prices for this fake. It's a rip-off! If you want to see the difference, click onto my homepage at: www.rutka.de/td -> NEW! Again: Do not pay too much money for this fake! And, EDGAR: PLEASE RELEASE IT ON TDI!!! 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ID Date Size 34579 AW: [tadream] WARNING: Froeses Macula Transfer CO Herbert Fri 6/28/2002 3 KB 34627 Re: AW: [tadream] WARNING: Froeses Macula Transfe TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak Mon 7/1/2002 5 KB 34635 Re: AW: [tadream] WARNING: Froeses Macula Transfe Joe Shoults Mon 7/1/2002 2 KB 34639 Re: AW: [tadream] WARNING: Froeses Macula Transfe Joe Shoults Mon 7/1/2002 4 KB From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Sat Jun 29, 2002 1:49 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TT #2 Heiko, you are an absolute hero! - Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Matthew Sawyer To: Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 12:20 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] TT #2 > From: 'Heiko Heerssen' > > > Just wanted to give you a small update: this time I plan to send out CDR > > copies of all the TT2 discs to 25 (!) branches/leaves, and I'm almost done > > with copying them. So far 10 of the 15 TT2 discs are final versions which > > will be used for the Tree, the last five remastered discs should be with > > me in about 1-2 weeks. As soon as I have copied them I can start sending > > out all my 375 discs. > > > 375 discs?!! Now I feel really guilty for only handling two leaves! > > > Maff > _______________________________________________ > www.tachyon-tv.co.uk www.maff.da.ru > www.mst3uk.com > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Ken Beal Date: Fri Jun 28, 2002 5:59 pm Subject: ISO: Schulze ROIO Discography Good Day All, I know there are many great sources on the web for info on Tangerine Dream ROIO's. Are there are for Klaus Schulze? If you are aware of any good sites that have info please advise. I am just trying to complete venues, setlists, etc. for the few I have (but always looking for more...hint...hint...) TIA, Ken PS: Sorry for the crosspost, just trying to reach as many people as possible. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34580 Re: ISO: Schulze ROIO Discography Szatmari Pal Fri 6/28/2002 3 KB 34582 Re: ISO: Schulze ROIO Discography noir43 Fri 6/28/2002 2 KB 34596 Re: ISO: Schulze ROIO Discography Gustavo Jobim Sat 6/29/2002 2 KB 34583 Re: ISO: Schulze ROIO Discography Antonio Nunes Fri 6/28/2002 2 KB From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Fri Jun 28, 2002 6:46 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TT #2 So in short, your new business is CD Duplicating and Mastering? ;-) dale Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Heiko Heerssen' To: Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 10:40 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] TT #2 > > > > Has a timeline been generated for the creation of the structure of > > the tree? Anxious and inquiring minds want to know... > > Just wanted to give you a small update: this time I plan to send out CDR > copies of all the TT2 discs to 25 (!) branches/leaves, and I'm almost done > with copying them. So far 10 of the 15 TT2 discs are final versions which > will be used for the Tree, the last five remastered discs should be with me > in about 1-2 weeks. As soon as I have copied them I can start sending out all > my 375 discs. > > Heiko > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Herbert' Date: Fri Jun 28, 2002 6:51 pm Subject: AW: [tadream] WARNING: Froeses Macula Transfer COUTERFEITS on Ebay!!! > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > Von: Rainer Rutka [mailto:rainer@k...] > Gesendet: Freitag, 28. Juni 2002 17:42 > An: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Betreff: [tadream] WARNING: Froeses Macula Transfer COUTERFEITS on > Ebay!!! > > > Hi! > > This is something like a warning to you all. > > I know, lots of you are bidding on Ebay (so do I). During the > last months > a new version of Edgar Froeses MACULA TRANSFER CD emerged on > the market. > > This - new - version is a counterfeit ! > ======================================= ................... > And, EDGAR: PLEASE RELEASE IT ON TDI!!! > I greatly agree with Rainer. TDI - you are preparing the market for such faked releases. Please STOP that market. It's on your hands (and only on your hands). There are bootleged/faked versions of: - The Keep - L'affaire Wallraff - Macula Transfer and what ever else is floating on that market. They are produced and on the market, because you (TDI or whoever owns the rights on these recordings) do keep them rare and the prices up. If there would be official releases at a reasonalbe price available the profits for those, who produce such faked versions, would drop. Thanks Herbert PS: Legalize TD for the fans :))))) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34627 Re: AW: [tadream] WARNING: Froeses Macula Transfe TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak Mon 7/1/2002 5 KB 34635 Re: AW: [tadream] WARNING: Froeses Macula Transfe Joe Shoults Mon 7/1/2002 2 KB 34639 Re: AW: [tadream] WARNING: Froeses Macula Transfe Joe Shoults Mon 7/1/2002 4 KB From: Szatmari Pal Date: Fri Jun 28, 2002 8:07 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] ISO: Schulze ROIO Discography What is ROIO? Schulze sites: www.klaus-schulze.de www.rainhorse.de Friday, June 28, 2002, 7:59:02 PM, you wrote: KB> Good Day All, KB> I know there are many great sources on the web for info on Tangerine Dream KB> ROIO's. KB> Are there are for Klaus Schulze? If you are aware of any good sites that KB> have info please advise. KB> I am just trying to complete venues, setlists, etc. for the few I have (but KB> always looking for more...hint...hint...) KB> TIA, KB> Ken KB> PS: Sorry for the crosspost, just trying to reach as many people as KB> possible. KB> ----------------------------------------------------_- KB> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com KB> ----------------------------------------------------_- KB> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at KB> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ KB> Tangerine Tree info at KB> http://www.tadream.net/tree KB> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34582 Re: ISO: Schulze ROIO Discography noir43 Fri 6/28/2002 2 KB 34596 Re: ISO: Schulze ROIO Discography Gustavo Jobim Sat 6/29/2002 2 KB From: 'noir43' Date: Fri Jun 28, 2002 8:24 pm Subject: Re: Tangerine Tree 1 --- In tadream@y..., Morgan Feldon wrote: > > >Ken Beal posted: > > > >Howdy... > > > >I have an extra set of the Tangerine Dream Digital Tree 10 disc set (Vol. 1- > >8) available if anyone missed this or their branch broke. > > > >Trade only, so send or point me in the direction of your list. > > > >TIA. > > And remember, the Tree is ALWAYS available for FREE with only the price of > postage and blanks ($8 or less). Nobody should feel compelled to find a > concert/bootleg for trade just to get the Tree. > > The Tangerine Tree is about preserving history. Edgar won't do it, so other > people have to take up the slack. :) > > -Morgan Howdy All... Isn't a trade the same as BnP? I mean the person getting the tree is still providing the discs and postage to the one who has the tree. He is just copying something on to the discs before he sends them. The price is the same. The only thing he is 'out' is time and how long does it take to put a disc in a recorder, click a program to start and then take the disc out of the recorder? One does not just sit there watching the computer screen while the copying is happening. (Do they?) Do something else!!! It's half a dozen of one; six of the other...same-o same-o.. And besides, what's the harm in increasing a collection by 'both' people. The music is being preserved and more tunes are going into the pipeline to be spread around. I have been collecting TD for years, but only recently have I started to amass a collection of mainstream acts (Dylan, Springsteen, Genesis, Pink Floyd, etc.) and less than main streem performers. Through a variety of mailing lists (just like tadream) I have discovered genres of music and artists I had only 'heard' about, but never actually heard. Now my curiosity has been quenched and I have gained a broader picture of the music scene of today and well as yesterday. With that said. if there is anyone on this list who is interested in viewing my trade list, with the possibility of trading ROIO's, then here is the link: http://members.directvinternet.com/~noir43/ Thank you for your time and patience. Ken From: 'noir43' Date: Fri Jun 28, 2002 8:26 pm Subject: Re: ISO: Schulze ROIO Discography ROIO is another way of saying 'bootleg' stands for: Recording Of Inderterminate Origin... --- In tadream@y..., Szatmari Pal wrote: > What is ROIO? > > Schulze sites: www.klaus-schulze.de > www.rainhorse.de > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34596 Re: ISO: Schulze ROIO Discography Gustavo Jobim Sat 6/29/2002 2 KB From: Antonio Nunes Date: Fri Jun 28, 2002 8:28 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] ISO: Schulze ROIO Discography Szatmari Pal wrote: > > What is ROIO? ROIO = Record of Illegitimate/Indeterminate Origin. Antonio P.S. The last time someone posted this question on the other list (tangerinedream) I asked twice but my messages never showed up. Let's see what happens on THIS list :-) From: Morgan Feldon Date: Fri Jun 28, 2002 9:27 pm Subject: Tree + Klaus Shulze Noir, I wasn't trying to shut down trades. I just hate to hear people say 'Well, I couldn't get the Tree cause I didn't have anything decent to trade.' 2 years from now, when we're on, say, Tree #8 and 60% of the crummy 12th generation fantapes people have been suffering with have been replaced with 1st and 2nd generation professionally mastered CDs, there won't be anything to trade with anyway. As far as Klaus Shulze and ROIO, Instead of bootleg or other names like that which have the negative *profitable* connotation, use the word 'fan tape'. You'll get a lot more mileage. That said, Klaus has released pretty much every show on his boxed sets of 25, 50, and 100 discs. Rumor is he's releasing another box this fall. -Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34585 Re: Tree + Klaus Shulze noir43 Fri 6/28/2002 2 KB 34586 Re: Tree + Klaus Shulze Administrator for kay-net.com Fri 6/28/2002 3 KB 34597 Re: Tree + Klaus Shulze Gustavo Jobim Sat 6/29/2002 2 KB From: 'noir43' Date: Fri Jun 28, 2002 9:33 pm Subject: Re: Tree + Klaus Shulze Hey, If someone wants copies of what I have and has nothing to trade, I am more than willing to do BnP (that''s how I got started). My apologies to one and all...my notice should not have said 'trade only.' Ken --- In tadream@y..., Morgan Feldon wrote: > Noir, I wasn't trying to shut down trades. I just hate to hear people say > 'Well, I couldn't get the Tree cause I didn't have anything decent to > trade.' 2 years from now, when we're on, say, Tree #8 and 60% of the crummy > 12th generation fantapes people have been suffering with have been replaced > with 1st and 2nd generation professionally mastered CDs, there won't be > anything to trade with anyway. > From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Fri Jun 28, 2002 9:44 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Tree + Klaus Shulze Trading is fine... That is if you have something to trade. I don't think that has to a must with the tree nor should it be. Just send some extra blank disk and some funds for the postage. Dale Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Morgan Feldon' To: Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 2:27 PM Subject: [tadream] Tree + Klaus Shulze > Noir, I wasn't trying to shut down trades. I just hate to hear people say > 'Well, I couldn't get the Tree cause I didn't have anything decent to > trade.' 2 years from now, when we're on, say, Tree #8 and 60% of the crummy > 12th generation fantapes people have been suffering with have been replaced > with 1st and 2nd generation professionally mastered CDs, there won't be > anything to trade with anyway. > > As far as Klaus Shulze and ROIO, > > Instead of bootleg or other names like that which have the negative > *profitable* connotation, use the word 'fan tape'. You'll get a lot more > mileage. That said, Klaus has released pretty much every show on his boxed > sets of 25, 50, and 100 discs. Rumor is he's releasing another box this fall. > > -Morgan > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Liondream@a... Date: Fri Jun 28, 2002 9:57 pm Subject: ukiyo-e Dan, I really like this idea. I like the idea of learning from a teacher, then taking that knowledge a step further, then passing it on to someone else, etc. Life is so short as it is, and sometimes a good teacher can show you in five minutes something that might otherwise take five years to realize. That five years saved can be five years spent perfecting your art on much higher levels. Kind of like the synthesizer Jedi's or something! Keeping the tradition alive. Being a part of and serving a tradition like that would be a very great honor. The idea in my original message (which perhaps I didn't articulate in the most ideal manner) stemmed from thoughts related to art. This is how artists were trained in the west as well as in the east. I had a little taste of this sort of infrastucture for learning when I studied illumination and tempera techniques. Ukiyo-e can be a very good source of inspiration in many ways. Of course there are as many kinds of art as there are artists, and while a 'school' may be appropriate for one artist's personal journey, it may be completely inappropriate for anothers. Your mileage may vary! :-) << Subject: Re: Slowing down Perhaps they could follow the tradition of Japanese Ukiyo-e masters. You would study with a master learning the craft and when you, in turn, became a master you would adopt part of your master's name and always be associated with his tradition: Utagawa Toyokuni --> Kuniyoshi --> Yoshitoshi etc. I think some of the Dreamwatchers 'guild' could be considered part of the TD school and it would be fun to play with a linear naming convtion. Are there any good nicknames EF has gone by? TD fans may want to check out the Ukiyo-e woodblock printes of Kuniyoshi and Yoshitoshi, unlike the more popular (western) prints of Edo and Samurai etc. they dealt with the fantastic and bizarre. I'm sure that attitudes towards their work may have paralleled how TD was viewed. These printes were mass produced for the general public but are soemwhat rare now and highly sought after by collectors - much like TD DanD>>> From: Liondream@a... Date: Fri Jun 28, 2002 10:15 pm Subject: Legalize TD for the Fans Well, for soundtracks, I guess the first and foremost question would be one of rights. The second issue is that maybe it would not be economically feasible to widely rerelease some of the more obscure titles like the ones you listed. Though they would certainly be very exciting for those of us on this list to have, I imagine it might be a bit of a challenge to try and get the buyers for some of the mundane 'record stores' to carry these items. As it is, I tend to find more and more big gaping holes where the T.D. cds used to be at many of these places. BUT... If the suggestion was ever put forth to release some of the more obscure albums as part of a limited subscription series directly from TDI, I would sign up for that. Granted, the end user prices for something stemming from such a limited and 'custom' run might be higher than purchasing a regular cd, but I think I would be willing to pay higher for something like that. It would certainly be a lot cheaper than some of the prices appearing on ebay. I don't know about the technical aspects of such a proposition. For example, if I was TD and put out money to produce said cds for a subscription and then people backed out leaving me with a pile of cds and no money. Money that could have been used to produce another project. So, this may or may not be a stupid idea. << Subject: AW: WARNING: Froeses Macula Transfer COUTERFEITS on Ebay!!! > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > Von: Rainer Rutka [mailto:rainer@k...] > Gesendet: Freitag, 28. Juni 2002 17:42 > An: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Betreff: [tadream] WARNING: Froeses Macula Transfer COUTERFEITS on > Ebay!!! > > > Hi! > > This is something like a warning to you all. > > I know, lots of you are bidding on Ebay (so do I). During the > last months > a new version of Edgar Froeses MACULA TRANSFER CD emerged on > the market. > > This - new - version is a counterfeit ! > ======================================= ................... > And, EDGAR: PLEASE RELEASE IT ON TDI!!! > I greatly agree with Rainer. TDI - you are preparing the market for such faked releases. Please STOP that market. It's on your hands (and only on your hands). There are bootleged/faked versions of: - The Keep - L'affaire Wallraff - Macula Transfer and what ever else is floating on that market. They are produced and on the market, because you (TDI or whoever owns the rights on these recordings) do keep them rare and the prices up. If there would be official releases at a reasonalbe price available the profits for those, who produce such faked versions, would drop. Thanks Herbert PS: Legalize TD for the fans :)))))>>> Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34589 AW: [tadream] Legalize TD for the Fans Herbert Fri 6/28/2002 3 KB 34622 Re: Legalize TD for the Fans dat_dream Mon 7/1/2002 3 KB From: 'Herbert' Date: Fri Jun 28, 2002 11:19 pm Subject: AW: [tadream] Legalize TD for the Fans > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > Von: Liondream@a... [mailto:Liondream@a...] > Gesendet: Samstag, 29. Juni 2002 00:16 > An: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Betreff: [tadream] Legalize TD for the Fans .......... > I don't know about the technical aspects of such a > proposition. For example, if I was TD and put out money to > produce said cds for a subscription and then people backed > out leaving me with a pile of cds and no money. Money that > could have been used to produce another project. > > So, this may or may not be a stupid idea. > > The ones producing the fakes DO invest their money (i would expect nearly the same amount as TDI would have to). ( Do they use fortune capital? :)))) ) I would expect they've calculated the ROI very well and are about to make their deal as long as the holders of the copyright hestitate. (as usual: only my 2 cents - or less) Herbert From: scfeldman@j... Date: Fri Jun 28, 2002 11:31 pm Subject: Re THE KEEP: Read the Book On Thu, 27 Jun 2002 18:11:48 -0700 'Admin' writes: >I got my tape. Started watching it last night. [. . .] >I think what I seen so far is a good story line, I was >wondering... what if it was redone..??? Don't bother speculating about it. Just read the book, instead. It's really good. Much better than the movie. >dale -- Steven Feldman - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - When you try to snort a book up your nose instead of actually reading it, you get a mess like Mann's 'The Keep.' -- F. Paul Wilson, April 29, 1999 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: DAVKAUFMAN@a... Date: Sat Jun 29, 2002 2:10 am Subject: New Roedelius CD This item might not be completely pertinent to this yahoogroup, but since some of you know who Hans-Joachim Roedelius is, and since he played an indirect role in the very early days of TD -- he cofounded the Zodiak Free Arts lab -- I thought I'd post this news here: We at Horizon Music have just released the latest CD from Roedelius, entitled 'Selfportrait VIII - Introspection'. This album contains soothing, peaceful electronic music and is dedicated to all innocent victims of terrorist attacks and wars throughout the world. 'Introspection' is now for sale via the Horizon Music Web site at www.hmnetwork.com. MP3 samples from this disc are also available for downloading from our site. Sincerely, Dave Kaufman Horizon Music, Inc. www.hmnetwork.com From: thomas.soucheleau@n... Date: Sat Jun 29, 2002 7:37 am Subject: Re: [tadream] re O.E.G. Yeah. Once again, I realize I'm really no good at making my mind clear. And of course, it's also a question of definition and subjectivity. My thought was that blues, jazz, rock'n'roll or EM were once new. For exemple, when TD released phaedra, it was something that seemed to come out almost from nowhere. But there were also a bunch of other musicians converging in the same direction (shulze, ashra) and it became the berlin school. Now, for a musician, every direction is virtually possible, which is good. But it seems that there are not so many musicians any more converging in one direction and creating a genre that doesn't seem to be just a other subdivision or an evolution of an existing genre (like say, new metal). + the big business makes nothing to promote creativity... Maybe novelty in music is to be found in what they call 'new musics' in record stores! Just intonation, microtonality and that kind of stuff. Thomas. ----Message réexpédié---- >A: tadream@yahoogroups.com >De: Mark Filipak >Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 17:58:18 -0400 >Sujet: Re: [tadream] re O.E.G. > >thomas.soucheleau@n... wrote: >> >> The question that remains is : When every possibility can be accepted >> as an art form, what can still be considered as new, and are we even >> still able to tell a difference between new and old? > >Maybe I don't get it. > >To me, everything is new. Every composition is new unless it is a note >for note copy, in which case it is the 'other' composition and is not >new. > >Maybe I should ask: What do you mean by new? > >Ciao -- Mark > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- >Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at >http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > >Tangerine Tree info at >http://www.tadream.net/tree > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- NetCourrier, votre bureau virtuel sur Internet : Mail, Agenda, Clubs, Toolbar... Web/Wap : www.netcourrier.com Téléphone/Fax : 08 92 69 00 21 (0,34 € TTC/min) Minitel: 3615 NETCOURRIER (0,15 € TTC/min) From: Mark Filipak Date: Sat Jun 29, 2002 6:41 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] re O.E.G. Hi Thomas! thomas.soucheleau@n... wrote: > > Yeah. Once again, I realize I'm really no good at making my mind clear. > And of course, it's also a question of definition and subjectivity. > My thought was that blues, jazz, rock'n'roll or EM were once new. There is new music being made in these genres all the time. I find these kind of meta discussions endlessly facinating. For example: If it is performed by an orchestra, does blues become orchestral music? If someone creates a new jazz composition using only synthesizers, is it jazz or is it EM? Is there any particular characteristic to what we (the consensus) consider EM, that separates it from jazz or euro-classical or indo-classical or any other recognizable genre? > For exemple, when TD released phaedra, it was something that seemed to > come out almost from nowhere. Some might argue with that. Some might say that 'Phaedra' is merely the re-expression of musical ideas originating all the way back in the art nouveau. Some would trace it back to the pre-classical. I'm sure some would trace it back to the Precambrian! > But there were also a bunch of other musicians converging in the same > direction (shulze, ashra) and it became the berlin school. Ah! Berlin School. Now we're talking. Is Berlin School a genre? If so, what are the qualities of BS that separate it from other music? Can BS be performed with only analog instruments and still be BS? How much does a genre depend upon structure and how much does it depend upon the instruments that are used? When electronics becomes indistiguishable from the analog world, will BS cease to exist? If music is played in the forest and there's no one there to listen to it, is it music? > Now, for a musician, every direction is virtually possible, which is > good. But it seems that there are not so many musicians any more > converging in one direction and creating a genre that doesn't seem to > be just a other subdivision or an evolution of an existing genre (like > say, new metal). Was there ever such a time? > + the big business makes nothing to promote creativity... ~LOL~ Big business doesn't want creativity. Creativity is risky. Big business wants mediocrity. Mediocrity is predictable. Big business wants commodities, not art. In art, big business is immiscible. When big business acquires art it turns it into a commodity. Small business *may* want creativity but only as a means of becoming big, after which point it punishes creativity. Or am I just being cynical? > Maybe novelty in music is to be found in what they call 'new musics' > in record stores! Just intonation, microtonality and that kind of > stuff. Well, the definition of what is music is undergoing some revision (some of which I disagree with). Is ambient music, music? Is stochastic music, music? If a piece is computer generated from microtones, is it music? When Jackson Pollack cut compositions out of his paint spattered canvases was he acting as an artist or as a critic? You used the term: Berlin School. What does that mean to you? Cite ten examples of 'pure' Berlin School compositions (or even 'semi pure' Berlin School compositions). What do they have in common? Report back to the class when you are done. Class dismissed. -- Mark From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sat Jun 29, 2002 10:04 pm Subject: Elec. Med. Hello everyone, I've finally bought Electronic Meditation yesterday! And I think I like it a lot! Am I way too sick? ;) The best comparison here is a sound similar to Ash Ra Tempel's first album, but more varied, certainly. Something a bit like Alpha Centauri but way more chaotic; actually, there's pretty much no sight of any kind of structure in Electronic Meditation. In Alpha Centauri you already have something like a structure... I got the Relativity version, and the sound quality is quite bad every now and then. Is the remastered any better? Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34601 Re: Elec. Med. René Brenner Sun 6/30/2002 3 KB 34602 Re: Elec. Med. Gustavo Jobim Sun 6/30/2002 2 KB 34631 Re: Elec. Med. Dennis Nigbur Mon 7/1/2002 3 KB 34646 Re: Elec. Med. Gustavo Jobim Tue 7/2/2002 2 KB 34649 Re: Elec. Med. John Marchington Tue 7/2/2002 3 KB From: Miguel Farah Date: Sat Jun 29, 2002 10:35 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Moods Liondream@a... [25/06/2002 13:24] dijo/said: >Moods... > >Perhaps what someone like Robert Fripp might say... (e.g. I'm acknowledging that this is not necessarily an original idea of mine, though I have thought about it a lot)... > >In an objective piece of art, it could be stated that the artist would create the art to transmit a certain mood (or information), and that that mood would then transpire in the listener accordingly. >[...] Please explain to me what is an 'objective' piece of art. From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sat Jun 29, 2002 10:37 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: ISO: Schulze ROIO Discography Finally! Finally! another mystery of the universe finally solved ;) you know, that makes an interesting track name! a 2002 version of Origin of Supernatural Probabilities? ;) >ROIO is another way of saying 'bootleg' > >stands for: Recording Of Inderterminate Origin... Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sat Jun 29, 2002 10:40 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Tree + Klaus Shulze >(...) I just hate to hear people say 'Well, I couldn't get the Tree cause I didn't have anything decent to trade.' 2 years from now, when we're on, say, Tree #8 (...) Tree 8? Hell. Seems like I'll have to add another SHELF to expand my CD collection... maybe I should consider buying myself an apartment already ;) >That said, Klaus has released pretty much every show on his boxed >sets of 25, 50, and 100 discs. Rumor is he's releasing another box this fall. >-Morgan Box of 100 CDs? Are you sure? I've never heard of that. Only if it's breaking news. And another box... oh well. I love KS's music but unfortunately my money is short for all that... Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... From: Miguel Farah Date: Sat Jun 29, 2002 11:31 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 1 Morgan Feldon [27/06/2002 23:25] dijo/said: > >>Ken Beal posted: >> >>Howdy... >> >>I have an extra set of the Tangerine Dream Digital Tree 10 disc set (Vol. 1- >>8) available if anyone missed this or their branch broke. >> >>Trade only, so send or point me in the direction of your list. >> >>TIA. > >And remember, the Tree is ALWAYS available for FREE with only the price of >postage and blanks ($8 or less). Nobody should feel compelled to find a >concert/bootleg for trade just to get the Tree. > >The Tangerine Tree is about preserving history. Edgar won't do it, so other >people have to take up the slack. :) So, who do I send the money to? Due to being very busy at the time, I missed the Tangerine Tree discussion and all (I barely skimmed at the mails related to it) and now I feel guilty about it. From: 'vic rek' Date: Sun Jun 30, 2002 12:47 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Okeefenokee 2001 CDs You can get original Okefenokee 2001 CDs directly from me in the USA. They cost $14.00 plus $2.00 postage in USA, $3.00 Canada or $4.00 everywhere else. You can see the CD cover at http://akorn.net/~tangerinedream/ricochet.htm I am also selling the current Star Sounds Orchestra CDs and compilations too. Sorry for the off topic post, but I'll get back to my Inferno concert report for June 15th, 2002 once I get caught up with all my e-mails that piled up over vacation. Vic tangerinedream@a... ----- Original Message ----- From: E Neal Frost To: ; Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 6:28 AM Subject: [tadream] Okeefenokee 2001 CDs > Hello All, > > I know this was discussed a while back......but I am old and decrepit, with > a terrible memory. Anyone have an original copy of the official release from > Okee 2001 for sale? > > Or, a link to an online company that I can buy it from? > From: Mark Filipak Date: Sun Jun 30, 2002 12:51 am Subject: Huge Shoe Sale Happening now on tangerinedream@yahoogroups.com Ciao -- Mark From: René Brenner Date: Sun Jun 30, 2002 9:09 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Elec. Med. On Sat, Jun 29, 2002 at 19:04:27 -0300, Gustavo Jobim wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I've finally bought Electronic Meditation yesterday! And I think I like it a lot! Am I way too sick? ;) > > The best comparison here is a sound similar to Ash Ra Tempel's first album, but more varied, certainly. Something a bit like Alpha Centauri but way more chaotic; actually, there's pretty much no sight of any kind of structure in Electronic Meditation. In Alpha Centauri you already have something like a structure... > > I got the Relativity version, and the sound quality is quite bad every now and then. Is the remastered any better? > I thought the Relativity version is the remastered one? The original came from Virgin with those squares on the cd cover. Rene Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34602 Re: Elec. Med. Gustavo Jobim Sun 6/30/2002 2 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sun Jun 30, 2002 11:09 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Elec. Med. No, I'm talking about the 1996 Castle Communications remaster. >> I got the Relativity version, and the sound quality is quite bad every now and then. Is the remastered any better? > >I thought the Relativity version is the remastered one? The original came from Virgin with those squares on the cd cover. >Rene Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... From: Liondream@a... Date: Sun Jun 30, 2002 5:33 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1396 In a message dated 6/30/2002 12:27:32 PM Central Daylight Time, tadream@yahoogroups.com writes: > Liondream@a... [25/06/2002 13:24] dijo/said: > >Moods... > > > >Perhaps what someone like Robert Fripp might say... (e.g. I'm > acknowledging that this is not necessarily an original idea of mine, though > I have thought about it a lot)... > > > >In an objective piece of art, it could be stated that the artist would > create the art to transmit a certain mood (or information), and that that > mood would then transpire in the listener accordingly. > >[...] > > Please explain to me what is an 'objective' piece of art. My definition based on my understanding of the meaning - defined in the last sentence that you quoted. :-) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34604 Counterfeit version of THE MAN INSIDE! 2nd warnin Rainer Rutka Sun 6/30/2002 3 KB From: Rainer Rutka Date: Sun Jun 30, 2002 6:04 pm Subject: Counterfeit version of THE MAN INSIDE! 2nd warning! Hi (again)! Bacause of the great response of my last posting of the counterfeit and legit CD release of Froese's Macula Transfer (20 emails, approx. 150 clicks in one day) I submitted a second TRUE/FALSE-version page onto my side. It is about the 'L`Affaire Wallraff / The Man Inside' CD release which appeared on the market. This version is hardy diffent to the original version. But: The matrix number is not the same. See all on: www.rutka.de/td -> NEW! Again (to all Ebayers): Don`t pay to much for this illegally release! Rainer ------------------------------------------------------------------------ www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: Date: Sun Jun 30, 2002 6:44 pm Subject: last day with offers Hello , for all electronic Music Fans of ASHRA, ASH RA TEMPEL and Manuel Göttsching: please visit: www.opticaldream.de/ART/Shop.htm my CD online shop. See us. Regards heiko www.tribute-to-ashra.de www.opticaldream.de FREE ASHRA NEWSLETTER subcribe here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ashranewsletter --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ----------------------------- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: thomas.soucheleau@n... Date: Sun Jun 30, 2002 9:33 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] re O.E.G. Ah, Mark, catching me with my own trap! About this : 'If music is played in the forest and there's no one there to listen to it, is it music?' How do you define 'no one' exactly? :) Of course there are many fascinating questions to discuss. For exemple, the definition of music itself. But even if it is a convenient convention, making a difference between classical, modern and post-modern ages in art still makes sense to me. Partly because the cultural context changes the way we look at our past, our present and our future. And those days, novelty sounds pretty much just like a promotional argument for a new brand of cereals to me. May be it's me, may be it's not. Anyway, I didn't do my homework... but it's not my fault! You can even ask mom! Please don't punish me. :) Thomas. ----Message réexpédié---- >A: tadream@yahoogroups.com >De: Mark Filipak >Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 14:41:26 -0400 >Sujet: Re: [tadream] re O.E.G. > >Hi Thomas! > >thomas.soucheleau@n... wrote: >> >> Yeah. Once again, I realize I'm really no good at making my mind clear. >> And of course, it's also a question of definition and subjectivity. >> My thought was that blues, jazz, rock'n'roll or EM were once new. > >There is new music being made in these genres all the time. > >I find these kind of meta discussions endlessly facinating. For example: > >If it is performed by an orchestra, does blues become orchestral music? > >If someone creates a new jazz composition using only synthesizers, is it >jazz or is it EM? > >Is there any particular characteristic to what we (the consensus) >consider EM, that separates it from jazz or euro-classical or >indo-classical or any other recognizable genre? > >> For exemple, when TD released phaedra, it was something that seemed to >> come out almost from nowhere. > >Some might argue with that. Some might say that 'Phaedra' is merely the >re-expression of musical ideas originating all the way back in the art >nouveau. Some would trace it back to the pre-classical. I'm sure some >would trace it back to the Precambrian! > >> But there were also a bunch of other musicians converging in the same >> direction (shulze, ashra) and it became the berlin school. > >Ah! Berlin School. Now we're talking. Is Berlin School a genre? If so, >what are the qualities of BS that separate it from other music? > >Can BS be performed with only analog instruments and still be BS? > >How much does a genre depend upon structure and how much does it depend >upon the instruments that are used? > >When electronics becomes indistiguishable from the analog world, will BS >cease to exist? > >If music is played in the forest and there's no one there to listen to >it, is it music? > >> Now, for a musician, every direction is virtually possible, which is >> good. But it seems that there are not so many musicians any more >> converging in one direction and creating a genre that doesn't seem to >> be just a other subdivision or an evolution of an existing genre (like >> say, new metal). > >Was there ever such a time? > >> + the big business makes nothing to promote creativity... > >~LOL~ Big business doesn't want creativity. Creativity is risky. Big >business wants mediocrity. Mediocrity is predictable. Big business wants >commodities, not art. In art, big business is immiscible. When big >business acquires art it turns it into a commodity. > >Small business *may* want creativity but only as a means of becoming big, >after which point it punishes creativity. > >Or am I just being cynical? > >> Maybe novelty in music is to be found in what they call 'new musics' >> in record stores! Just intonation, microtonality and that kind of >> stuff. > >Well, the definition of what is music is undergoing some revision (some >of which I disagree with). Is ambient music, music? Is stochastic music, >music? If a piece is computer generated from microtones, is it music? >When Jackson Pollack cut compositions out of his paint spattered canvases >was he acting as an artist or as a critic? > >You used the term: Berlin School. What does that mean to you? Cite ten >examples of 'pure' Berlin School compositions (or even 'semi pure' Berlin >School compositions). What do they have in common? Report back to the >class when you are done. > >Class dismissed. -- Mark > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- >Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at >http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > >Tangerine Tree info at >http://www.tadream.net/tree > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- NetCourrier, votre bureau virtuel sur Internet : Mail, Agenda, Clubs, Toolbar... Web/Wap : www.netcourrier.com Téléphone/Fax : 08 92 69 00 21 (0,34 € TTC/min) Minitel: 3615 NETCOURRIER (0,15 € TTC/min) From: Kevin Keller Date: Sun Jun 30, 2002 10:39 pm Subject: New CD 'Across the Sky' + Free Music *** NEW CD now at AMAZON**** Across the Sky, the debut recording by the Kevin Keller Trio, is now available exclusively at Amazon.com. Please visit http://www.kevinkeller.com for complete album info and purchase. ALBUM REVIEW 'Across the Sky effectively cross-pollinates the atmospheric qualities of the best ambient and space music with the structural qualities of classical music. It is melodic yet textural, lyrical yet kinetic, and harmonically more complex than most ambient music could ever be. Images of the natural world subtly weave themselves into Keller's music; the natural ambience often recalls starry nights melting away to dawn. Keller plays piano and keyboards, providing the sonic constellations over which Tania Simoncelli's very spacious cello and Mark Fassett's discreet bass play. The entire recording is excellent, but the trio is at their best in the two extended suites- Across the Sky, and Six Echoes of Summer/The Blossoms of Change - the former with its effervescent quality, and the latter with its more dramatic style and rich chromaticism. Kevin Keller's brilliant new CD evokes many emotions - and like filaments stretching across the musical landscape, they seemingly weave their way across the sky.' -Steve Davis, Associate Producer/Hearts of Space ****FREE MUSIC at the LISTENING STATION**** New audio tracks from the Morrison Planetarium soundtrack 'Tales of the Twilight' are now in rotation at http://www.kevinkeller.com/listen.html including a free download of 'Orbit'. ****PUBLISHING DEAL with PYRAMIND**** Kevin Keller has signed a publishing deal with San Francisco's Pyramind, a full service music and post production facility specializing in film and television music. We look forward to a long and fruitful partnership. Visit the Soundtracks page for more information. Thank you for your continuing support and encouragement. From: Mark Filipak Date: Sun Jun 30, 2002 10:39 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] re O.E.G. thomas.soucheleau@n... wrote: > > Ah, Mark, catching me with my own trap! > About this : > > 'If music is played in the forest and there's no one there to listen > > to it, is it music?' > How do you define 'no one' exactly? :) ~LOL~ I'm not telling. Null's the word. 8^) > Of course there are many fascinating questions to discuss. For > exemple, the definition of music itself. But even if it is a > convenient convention, making a difference between classical, > modern and post-modern ages in art still makes sense to me. > Partly because the cultural context changes the way we look at > our past, our present and our future. And those days, novelty > sounds pretty much just like a promotional argument for a new > brand of cereals to me. May be it's me, may be it's not. Let's not talk about talking about genres. Let's really talk about genres. You used the common term 'Berlin School'. We all use it. Well, what is Berlin School? Progressive Rock has a specific definition (well, pretty specific). I'm not a muso, but it has something to do with R'n'R that has a specific time signature -- is it 5/4? When you hear that particular sort of off speed yet syncopated beat you say, 'Oi! That's prog!' Am I right? If (most) music has melody, harmony, and rhythm parts that are each played by differring instruments, but if BS uses sequencers to supply a combination melody-rhythmn part, and if that is unique to BS, and if you agree with that, then perhaps that is a start towards describing what BS is. Shall we continue with this? > Anyway, I didn't do my homework... but it's not my fault! You can even ask mom! Please don't punish me. :) > > Thomas. > > ----Message réexpédié---- > >A: tadream@yahoogroups.com > >De: Mark Filipak > >Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 14:41:26 -0400 > >Sujet: Re: [tadream] re O.E.G. > > > >Hi Thomas! > > > >thomas.soucheleau@n... wrote: > >> > >> Yeah. Once again, I realize I'm really no good at making my > >> mind clear. And of course, it's also a question of definition > >> and subjectivity. My thought was that blues, jazz, rock'n'roll > >> or EM were once new. > > > > There is new music being made in these genres all the time. > > > > I find these kind of meta discussions endlessly facinating. For > > example: > > > > If it is performed by an orchestra, does blues become orchestral > > music? > > > > If someone creates a new jazz composition using only synthesizers, > > is it jazz or is it EM? > > > > Is there any particular characteristic to what we (the consensus) > > consider EM, that separates it from jazz or euro-classical or > > indo-classical or any other recognizable genre? > > > >> For exemple, when TD released phaedra, it was something that > >> seemed to come out almost from nowhere. > > > > Some might argue with that. Some might say that 'Phaedra' is merely > > the re-expression of musical ideas originating all the way back in > > the art nouveau. Some would trace it back to the pre-classical. I'm > > sure some would trace it back to the Precambrian! > > > >> But there were also a bunch of other musicians converging in the > >> same direction (shulze, ashra) and it became the berlin school. > > > > Ah! Berlin School. Now we're talking. Is Berlin School a genre? > > If so, what are the qualities of BS that separate it from other > > music? > > > > Can BS be performed with only analog instruments and still be BS? > > > > How much does a genre depend upon structure and how much does it > > depend upon the instruments that are used? > > > > When electronics becomes indistiguishable from the analog world, > > will BS cease to exist? > > > > If music is played in the forest and there's no one there to > > listen to it, is it music? > > > >> Now, for a musician, every direction is virtually possible, which > >> is good. But it seems that there are not so many musicians any more > >> converging in one direction and creating a genre that doesn't seem > >> to be just a other subdivision or an evolution of an existing genre > >> (like say, new metal). > > > > Was there ever such a time? > > > >> + the big business makes nothing to promote creativity... > > > > ~LOL~ Big business doesn't want creativity. Creativity is risky. > > Big business wants mediocrity. Mediocrity is predictable. Big > > business wants commodities, not art. In art, big business is > > immiscible. When big business acquires art it turns it into a > > commodity. > > > > Small business *may* want creativity but only as a means of > > becoming big, after which point it punishes creativity. > > > > Or am I just being cynical? > > > >> Maybe novelty in music is to be found in what they call 'new musics' > >> in record stores! Just intonation, microtonality and that kind of > >> stuff. > > > > Well, the definition of what is music is undergoing some revision > > (some of which I disagree with). Is ambient music, music? Is > > stochastic music, music? If a piece is computer generated from > > microtones, is it music? When Jackson Pollack cut compositions out > > of his paint spattered canvases was he acting as an artist or as a > > critic? > > > > You used the term: Berlin School. What does that mean to you? Cite > > ten examples of 'pure' Berlin School compositions (or even 'semi > > pure' Berlin School compositions). What do they have in common? > > Report back to the class when you are done. > > > > Class dismissed. -- Mark From: Vince LeGrand Date: Sun Jun 30, 2002 11:05 pm Subject: Soundscapes #2 - Ministry of Inside Things Just wanted to say a few words about Soundscapes #2 last week.... I attended the Ministry of Inside Things (MOIT) performance at last week's Soundscapes concert in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania. It was hosted by WDIY-FM and, in particular, fellow list member, Bill Fox. The evening began with a great buffet catered by Chef Jeff. Prior to the show and during the intermission, Tom Shaw performed in the lobby area of the Icehouse. I wasn't familiar with Tom's music, but I must say I really enjoyed it. He played primarily guitar used with synths and effects. A very good lead-in to the MOIT performance. After Chef Jeff filled our stomaches, MOIT proceeded to fill our heads with 2 sets of great electronic music. Each set was a single piece of music lasting for about an hour. Each set included multiple segments of sequencer-driven, classic Berlin School music between sections of slowly developing layers of sound. Art Cohen (guitar) clearly showed that the electric guitar has a solid place in electronic music. I have all the MOIT CD's (there are 3...and they seemed to sell well in the lobby), and I never realized how much of the sound that I heard from MOIT was coming from Art's guitar. The venue for the show was the Icehouse which is an old brick building with a high ceiling. The audience was seated in a few rows of seats just about 20 feet in front of the performers. The natural reverberation of the building complemented the music very nicely. I am definitely looking forward to the next Soundscapes concert. As it seems with all electronic music concerts, the crowd was not very large. But, it was an enthusiastic bunch who all really seemed to enjoy the evening. How much more fun can you have for $15 than to get a great buffet dinner and then 2+ hours of live, electonic music? For any of you who can possibly travel to the next Soundscapes, please do so...it's worth the trip! Vince From: Morgan Feldon Date: Sun Jun 30, 2002 11:33 pm Subject: Ricochet Gathering 2002: Okefenokee Picture yourself at ease with John Christian, Peter Ruczynski, Steve Schroyder, Jens Zygar, Bill Fox, Dave Brewer, countless other aspiring musicians and electronic music fans (is there a distinction?) huddled together in a pleasant cottage out in the Okefenokee Swamp. Imagine being inches away from the music as it's being performed. You can walk around the room and watch what each musician's contribution is to the myriad percussion-driven sequences. The line between musician and fan has blurred. What you are experiencing is the third incarnation of Vic Rek's masterfully organized Ricochet Gathering, the last one (for the time being), to be enjoyed in those surroundings which, indirectly, influenced one of Tangerine Dream's essential tracks, '3 AM at the Border of the Marsh from Okefenokee'. It has been just over 2 months since thirty of us found ourselves out in the swamp. Some might say the momentum is going away. It's not slipped from my mind (maybe the details, but not the whole)! I apologize that it has taken me so long to put down into words and collect my experiences and those of other attendees into a website but I hope it will be worth it to those who joined us, those who wanted to, and those who are just curious on a Sunday afternoon to read what we did! I am expecting to have a Phase 2 to my website when more people who attended have written their notes and submitted photos. I was so busy filming the events, plus I ran out of memory on my digital camera very quickly, that I am thrilled to see quality pictures taken by others and they've been gracious enough to provide me with some for inclusion in the website. Finally, I have edited together a 1 minute video of the musicians performing on Friday night. I have just begun to scour through all the footage I shot simultaneously on 2 video cameras. Apologies in advance to Bill and Peter--I will have better shots of you when I can capture the video off camera #2!! Without further ado, you're welcome and encouraged to visit my 'Ricochet Gathering 2002: Okefenokee' pictoral travelogue and read articles written by myself, Dell O., Dave B. (a reprint of what he posted to the list in May), plus Vic's comments, and follow the links to Carlo R.'s Oke 2002 website and AirSculpture's picture gallery! http://www.feldoncentral.com/oke2002/ Thanks to Howard M. who, early on, provided us with a group photo. I have repeated it on my website (check on Monday) with the first names of everyone who attended. Stay tuned to the tadream list, as I will announce Phase 2 here, with at least one more travelogue/article and a series of great pictures provided by Carlo. Kindest Regards, Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34690 Re: Ricochet Gathering 2002: Okefenokee vic rek Thu 7/4/2002 3 KB From: 'harrison1ford' Date: Mon Jun 17, 2002 12:42 pm Subject: Three Phase Video Poster Hi, If anyone is interested in purchasing a rolled/mint poster of 'Three Phase', please inform me for the specifics (size, shipping). The price is $10 US. Thanks! From: 'gilleshemery2002' Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 11:28 am Subject: Tangerine Dream Midi Files If you are interested by Tangerine dream Midi Files, visit my web site > http://www.gilleshemery.fr.fm see midi file section Midi File available: Riding the lezard overland >cd Hollywood year Logos part 4 >CD logos Thru metamorphic rock >CD FORCE MAJEURE Yellowstone park >cd LE PARC Dominion >CD LOGOS Monolight>CD ENCORE Lhe big sleep search of hades >CD STRATOPHEAR Desert dream > cd TANGANT Girl on the stairs - Rien ne va plus 2001- >DREAM MIXE 3 Beach scene >cd THIEF AND very soon With Eagle Legend and any more From: Volkmar Friauf Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 8:20 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Inferno Concert Hello list, At 11:17 16.06.2002, Jeffrey Au-Yeung wrote: >Who attended the Berlin Inferno concert could give us a report of the event? The Berlin concert was a chance for me to meet some of you in person, so I've decided to stop lurking, and to write some of my impressions :-) My wife Silvana and I arrived early enough to spot Heiko (with Ramones t-shirt...) and the group of list members easily. All of us were allowed to stay on the concert area and listen to the soundcheck until about 7.15, when we were politely ask to wait outside. Thus we were at the beginning of the waiting queue, what later gave us an advance to get seats in one of the front rows (seats were unnumbered). After some 'pre-concert entertainmaint' (huge balloons being thrown into the crowd...), the concert started in time at 8.30. Music was same as in Bernau (and on 'Inferno' album), with only some decent modifications (some more percussion gimmicks, and more bass in the later parts). More changes took place in the stage setting - the singers standing on the stairs outside the actual stage. Spotlights tried to catch the solo singers, but sometimes caught the wrong ones... ;-) In the bridges between the vocal parts, two dancing girls featured a ballett-like performance. The dancing, along with the location, the fireworks and the whole setting created a more vivid atmosphere compared with Bernau. It was a great show, but I liked the atmosphere in Bernau's church a bit more, at least for the Inferno music. I think a medieval castle might work even better - let's wait for the Inferno performance at Nideggen Castle in Germany :-) I'm curious how this medieval setting will work for the music. Thanks to all list members who I've met for the nice company, and see you in Nideggen! Volkmar From: Harry Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 5:12 am Subject: Re: [tadream] live e.m. on 6/20/02 9:12 AM, Liondream@a... at Liondream@a... wrote: > Now why don't we have something like this around here (Chicago)? There have to > be enough people around here interested in e.m. to merit a concert or some > sort of e.m. community! > > Concerts going on in Bethlehem, PA... Liondream- Don't cha know, we have the only Grateful Dead family reunion Terrapin Station shows 'cause of our central location. Well, er, Alpine Valley to be specific. That is until the local county got panicked w/ the thoughts of hoards of hippies decending upon their community, and denied the permit. Emusic should have such problems... From: 'Pete Dandy' Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 8:09 pm Subject: awards for services to music industry Hi Everybody I`m new to the group and have been a TD for most of my waking life .God only knows what I listen to when I sleep , maybe a Tangerine Dream ;) I don't know if this first message will make it but here goes , I`d like to comment on the message below . --- In tadream@y..., 'convention24' wrote: >I sit back and chuckle to see the the individuals who are given >awards for their so called services to the music industry,so called >Techno GODS willingly accept their false attributes,its about time >you unknowledgable music beaurocrats got your FACTS right I`m not sure I agree with you on this . The so called techno gods have made records that have appealed to millions of people around the world , so the rewards are deserved in these cases .Whether or not they have contributed to a radical change in musical thinking is another thing ? ,theres a >guy who's given more to modern day music than any of the yellow tongued >parasites of the music industry that i abour,hes put the Techno GODS >where they are now,and never wavered to the wims of commercialism. >ARISE the KING Edgar Froese,you are indeed a diamond in the history >of musical world.Knight the Great man now Tony Blair. Ok well lets look at this point .TDs truly groundbreaking music came from the 70s and possibly early 80s (this doesn't`t mean i don't like the newer stuff BTW)Klause Schulze is actually nicknamed the Grandfather of Techno and has more similarities musically than TD ever did .What about 'Arise sir Chris Franke' or Pete Bauman ? or Johannes Schmoelling ? surely they played a great big part in the development of TDs music , more so than Edgar if you believe the interviews by the ex members . If Edgar is the 'King' and a 'Diamond in the history of music' etc then how do you explain 'Inferno' . Lets put the obvious blind hero worship to one side and ask ourselves , 'if i was to buy this album from an unknown artist , would i hold it with the same esteem as i do know' ? It seems that TD was a success as a *band* .Individually the ex members do not really write anything remarkable these days , and 'Inferno' is essentially an Edgar Froese solo album with a small and obvious input from Jerome toward the end, enough said! . TD will always be in the musical history books from what they did in the beginning , and you surely cannot say that TD have not bowed to the world of commercialism ? Dream Mixes anyone ? Hope this hasnt`t offended anyone .I think we should credit the success of TD to the band and not just the founder . BTW Tony Blair cant knight people can he ? Pete _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From: Marion Horrod Date: Sun Jun 23, 2002 9:13 am Subject: Re: Awards for services to music industry. 'the people I know listening to Techno-music don't have a problem with TD..........but I have heard alot of fans here having a problem with Techno...................why is it so hard to acknowledge new ways of thinking music??????? ' Well Jan, if it makes you feel any better, here's one who doesn't. Although many of my friends find it surprising (especially the younger ones). Here's a counter-question for you. Why is it that you're not 'allowed' to like newer forms of music if you're over 40? Why is it so 'pathetic' for someone my age to want to dance to repetitive beats till they drop? LnH Marion np: Star Sounds Orchestra - Kosmophonen From: Kevin Bailey Date: Sun Jun 23, 2002 11:52 am Subject: Ratikon I just got a copy of Ratikon and was wondering if anybody has any info on it cause I have never heard of it .....it sounds like a different version of white eagle. can anyone help me? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From: Marion Horrod Date: Tue Jun 25, 2002 9:04 am Subject: Re: Johannes Schmoelling box (was Re: Edgar) Heiko .....And that's why we decided to send a 'custom built' Tangerine Tree box to the bands' ex-members, starting with Johannes Schmoelling who was a member of TD from 1979-85. I think that's yet another great idea: you really come up with some kind and generous thoughts, Heiko! I can see why you're Al's main man. LnH Marion From: Marion Horrod Date: Tue Jun 25, 2002 5:01 pm Subject: Top 10 for TD newbies OK, I'll nibble. Can't come up with a top 10 ('specially not track names off the top of my head), but Poland would _always_ be in there. Other than that, it would depend on who I was playing it for, and why. Young dance-oriented friends tend to get one or more of the Dream Mixes albums, followed by 'What a Blast'. My guitarist mate was converted by 'Epsilon...' and 'Macula Transfer'. My C&W loving boyfriend (now my TD loving husband) was converted by .....ummmm...enjoying ourselves..... while listening to Ricochet and Hyperborea. LnH Marion From: Marion Horrod Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 9:46 am Subject: Re: Slowing down Liondream described how TD would work under the medieval guild system. Really I just wanted to say how much I enjoyed this post - it was very thought-provoking. And now I have an image of a big fat Edgar in fur-trimmed robes, a funny hat, and an aldermanic chain, head of the TD guild. I really wish it could work this way. Maybe that's what Edgar's been trying to do, bringing in other players, with Jerome slated to take over as head of the guild if / when he ever retires? Only the other players all seem to want to go off and start guilds of their own. Shame! LnH Marion From: Marion Horrod Date: Fri Jun 28, 2002 9:07 am Subject: OT: RE: Yahoo Censorship Go ahead and move a.s.a.p., if the situation turns out to be what it seems. And make sure Yahoo know why. This kind of thing really makes me angry (and, as Carlo says, 'don't mess with Marion!'), and should be fought anyway we can. Yahoo need to know that 'decent folks' don't approve of their behaviour. 'If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.' LnH Marion p.s. Jeez! All you people with so many gay friends. If I were to say 'many of my friends are...' line, it wouldn't be true. Maybe 1% are - I must be hanging out in the wrong places! But that doesn't affect the justice of the situation. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34624 Re: OT: RE: Yahoo Censorship Admin Mon 7/1/2002 3 KB 34625 Re: OT: RE: Yahoo Censorship Admin Mon 7/1/2002 3 KB From: 'dat_dream' Date: Sat Jun 29, 2002 4:14 pm Subject: Re: Legalize TD for the Fans --- In tadream@y..., Liondream@a... wrote: > Well, for soundtracks, I guess the first and foremost question >would be one of rights. Liondream Love your subscription idea, but I wouldn't hold your breath. While I don't pretend to know the entertainment business, I rather suspect that those that hold the rights to the more obscure titles have unrealistic expectations about the ROI. I'd bet that Edgar would love to release, and re-release a lot more material. But I suspect that the major stumbling blocks are all those--from Virgin Records to the lawyer who's secretary got the coffee when the deal was inked--whom have their palm out. By the time the money trickles down to Edgar, it's hardly worth the effort. After all, we're talking about an industry that's not exactly noted for fairness and generosity. Someone (in Sound & Vision magazine I believe) once observed something along the lines that 'never before has there been an industry that has worked so hard to hamstring the distribution of their own product.' From: Morgan Feldon Date: Mon Jul 1, 2002 4:01 am Subject: Ratikon >From: Kevin Bailey >Date: Sun Jun 23, 2002 11:52 am >Subject: Ratikon >I just got a copy of Ratikon and was wondering if >anybody has any info on it cause I have never heard of >it .....it sounds like a different version of white >eagle. can anyone help me? Ratikon is a FM stereo recording of the second half of the March 1st, 1982 concert in Melbourne, Australia. It's a fabulous recording, second only to a master tape copy from the original source, 'Strange Attractions'. Here's the tracklist: -Mojave Plan [24:56] On first listen, this sounds identical to the released version, but I really like the simplicity of it. It runs a little longer and has less embellishments on top. -'Thermal Inversion' [13:33] My FAVORITE unreleased track from fall 1981/spring 1982 concerts. 'Thermal Inversion' is a made up track name, by the way. -Remote Viewing/Force Majeure/End [5:04] A few seconds of Remote Viewing from Exit provide an interlude into some of the title track of Force Majeure. Finally, there's a 90 second ending similar to the ending on Logos. -Choronzon [9:51] The first encore for this show. I MUCH prefer the concert versions of Choronzon to the released Exit version. Instead of a 6 bar sequence, it has been expanded to an 8 part repeating sequence. I will admit that Choronzon live is pretty long-winded. -Midnight in Tula [3:58] The second encore for this show, almost identical to the version heard on White Eagle. Enjoy one of the better Tangerine Dream concert recordings! Speaking of which, new members of the list, you will want to get a copy of something called the 'Tangerine Tree'. There are nearly 200 concert recordings over Tangerine Dream's 30 year history, many of them in stunning quality. Now these tapes are coming out of the woodwork and being made available, non-profit, for the fans. Ask about it! -Morgan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Admin' Date: Mon Jul 1, 2002 4:39 am Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: RE: Yahoo Censorship I would say 1 to 2% I know are. My wife and her Hollywood acquaintances, if I counted them, I go as high a 5 to 7 then. You are right in the standard like, 'Many of my friends are'. Well as I pointed out maybe 1 to 2%. As friends go, I would have to say I stay more in touch with them than the rest. I think they have a tad bit more sensitivity as well as view things in a much more refreshing way. One needs different view points sometimes. dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Marion Horrod' To: Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 2:07 AM Subject: [tadream] OT: RE: Yahoo Censorship > Go ahead and move a.s.a.p., if the situation turns out to be what it seems. > And make sure Yahoo know why. > > This kind of thing really makes me angry (and, as Carlo says, 'don't mess > with Marion!'), and should be fought anyway we can. Yahoo need to know that > 'decent folks' don't approve of their behaviour. > > 'If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.' > > LnH > > Marion > > p.s. Jeez! All you people with so many gay friends. If I were to say 'many > of my friends are...' line, it wouldn't be true. Maybe 1% are - I must be > hanging out in the wrong places! But that doesn't affect the justice of the > situation. > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Admin' Date: Mon Jul 1, 2002 4:43 am Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: RE: Yahoo Censorship One other point. I never ask or care as long as someone doesn't become aggressive with me. I just know that 1 to 2% as they told me. Just not something I ask right off. Most told me only after they knew me well enough to know where I stood. Some even said they were concern I would never talk to them after I knew. True I am a bit on the conservative side but I never thought I would be far right. Just a bit of self reflection. Seems I come off far more right than I really am. Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Marion Horrod' To: Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 2:07 AM Subject: [tadream] OT: RE: Yahoo Censorship > Go ahead and move a.s.a.p., if the situation turns out to be what it seems. > And make sure Yahoo know why. > > This kind of thing really makes me angry (and, as Carlo says, 'don't mess > with Marion!'), and should be fought anyway we can. Yahoo need to know that > 'decent folks' don't approve of their behaviour. > > 'If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.' > > LnH > > Marion > > p.s. Jeez! All you people with so many gay friends. If I were to say 'many > of my friends are...' line, it wouldn't be true. Maybe 1% are - I must be > hanging out in the wrong places! But that doesn't affect the justice of the > situation. > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Phil White' Date: Mon Jul 1, 2002 8:27 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Ratikon Kevin..... Ratikon is a bootleg disc containing the following... Tangerine Dream 1. Ratikon 43:27 2. Fohn 10:16 3. Mure 4:32 Recorded in Melbourne March 1st 1982 Popol Vuh/Man 4. Bettina/Would The Christians Wait For Five Minutes 14:06 Brian Eno 5. Glint/East Of Woodbridge 7:10 Unreleased studio track available on Art Forum Flexi Disc only. Hope this helps Regards Phil ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Kevin Bailey' To: Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 12:52 PM Subject: [tadream] Ratikon > I just got a copy of Ratikon and was wondering if > anybody has any info on it cause I have never heard of > it .....it sounds like a different version of white > eagle. can anyone help me? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34648 Re: Ratikon Gustavo Jobim Tue 7/2/2002 2 KB From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak Date: Sat Jun 29, 2002 7:29 am Subject: Re: AW: [tadream] WARNING: Froeses Macula Transfer COUTERFEITS on Ebay!!! At 20:51 28.06.02 , you wrote: > > >> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- >> Von: Rainer Rutka [mailto:rainer@k...] >> Gesendet: Freitag, 28. Juni 2002 17:42 >> An: tadream@yahoogroups.com >> Betreff: [tadream] WARNING: Froeses Macula Transfer COUTERFEITS on >> Ebay!!! >> >> >> Hi! >> >> This is something like a warning to you all. >> >> I know, lots of you are bidding on Ebay (so do I). During the >> last months >> a new version of Edgar Froeses MACULA TRANSFER CD emerged on >> the market. >> >> This - new - version is a counterfeit ! >> ======================================= >................... >> And, EDGAR: PLEASE RELEASE IT ON TDI!!! >> > >I greatly agree with Rainer. TDI - you are preparing the market for such >faked releases. >Please STOP that market. >It's on your hands (and only on your hands). >There are bootleged/faked versions of: >- The Keep >- L'affaire Wallraff >- Macula Transfer >and what ever else is floating on that market. > >They are produced and on the market, because you (TDI or whoever owns the >rights on these recordings) do keep them rare and the prices up. >If there would be official releases at a reasonalbe price available the >profits for those, who produce such faked versions, would drop. > >Thanks >Herbert > > >PS: Legalize TD for the fans :))))) > Dear Herbert and the rest of the list, I think I´ll need to clarify something: the reason why we are not releasing abovesaid releases is not because we do not want to (C'mon... we would be pretty stupid if we were to pass on such veritable pots of gold ;-)), it is because we do not own the rights. Back in the Seventies and Eighties it was a usual practice that you would sign over master rights to the record companies for very long time spans. This means that, as long as the record company still owns the master rights, they can do (or, in this case NOT DO) what they want with it and there is nothing we can do about it. Retrieving rights from such contracts is a very hard and sometimes nearly impossible thing. We are trying our best, though. It looks like we stand a chance with Macula Transfer, but at the moment the legal situation is still pretty much in limbo. As ofr the KEEP and L'Affaire - they´re both on Virgin/EMI and it is very hard to get around their contracts, especially since, with soundtracks, the film company usually has a say, too (which accounts for why the Keep has never been released) - we are trying to find a niche to regain our master rights, but it looks as though these two will be hard nuts to crack. As I said, we´d love to release these gems, but we just cannot. Maybe if enough people complain to Virgin/EMI, they might change their mind. Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: www.tdimusic.com Have a nice day! From: Armin Theissen Date: Mon Jul 1, 2002 9:27 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Ratikon Its a concert from Melbourne, I guess, with Mojave Plan (live, as you may have realised as its refreshinly different from the studio version), followed by a killer track I consider a favourite, and Force Majeure (2nd last part), unfortunatly faded out due to end of tape, I guess. Two encores: Midnight in Thula and a great long version of Choronzon. Plus some Popol Vuh and Brian Eno. armin > > I just got a copy of Ratikon and was wondering if > anybody has any info on it cause I have never heard of > it .....it sounds like a different version of white > eagle. can anyone help me? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen From: Date: Mon Jul 1, 2002 9:44 am Subject: Promo Single on ebay Hello, if any interested in an 7' Single: Tangerine Dream - Bent cold sidewalk / Rising runner missed by endless sender , PROMO SPAIN Ariloa/Eurodisc 0087 , white label then jump to my auction: http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=889036246 Regards heiko - Mr. Optical www.opticaldream.de SEE US in Burg Nideggen :-))) for 2 shows [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Matthew Stringer' Date: Mon Jul 1, 2002 9:59 am Subject: DWT1&2 tracks I've had a few requests for the full version of the DWT1 track Dysfunction. This can now be found on www.dreamconspiracy.co.uk in it's original form (warts and all!). There is also Dust which was the tune for DWT2 and shortly Paradox Engine, the track for DWT3. Although you should be able to play these from a modem connection they've been optimised for broadband. Take care Matt From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Mon Jul 1, 2002 11:16 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Elec. Med. On 29 Jun 2002 at 19:04, Gustavo Jobim wrote: > The best comparison here is a sound similar to Ash Ra Tempel's first > album, but more varied, certainly. Something a bit like Alpha Centauri > but way more chaotic; actually, there's pretty much no sight of any > kind of structure in Electronic Meditation. In Alpha Centauri you > already have something like a structure... It's strange how interpretations can vary so much between listeners. I too like Electronic Meditation, but I think it is a very structured album. There may not be that much in terms of melody or harmony, but the way the album develops from quiet-ish beginnings to an awful lot of noise and then retreats back into its shell with the final track is a fine execution of concept art. Dennis Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34646 Re: Elec. Med. Gustavo Jobim Tue 7/2/2002 2 KB From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Mon Jul 1, 2002 11:56 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Awards for services to music industry. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Marion Horrod' > Here's a counter-question for you. Why is it that you're not 'allowed' to > like newer forms of music if you're over 40? Why is it so 'pathetic' for > someone my age to want to dance to repetitive beats till they drop? > LnH > Marion Hi Marion Good question. A lot of things can be the reason. I think that many people, either envy you because you dare be 'young' and have a good time or they think that you only do this because your are having a midlife-crisis. Most young people only think....'hey cool...' because of all the other 'boring' adults. Jan From: 'Paul Lawler' Date: Mon Jul 1, 2002 1:10 pm Subject: TDI soundtrack rights Is it the same situation with the music from StreetHawk as well ? TDI dont own the rights , or are there any plans for this music to be released ? Paul Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34676 Re: TDI soundtrack rights Wade Gordon Wed 7/3/2002 2 KB 34677 Re: TDI soundtrack rights Paul Lawler Wed 7/3/2002 2 KB 34685 Re: TDI soundtrack rights Wade Gordon Wed 7/3/2002 3 KB 34686 Re: TDI soundtrack rights Wade Gordon Wed 7/3/2002 3 KB 34678 Re: TDI soundtrack rights Owens, James Wed 7/3/2002 2 KB From: olle.rundgren@s... Date: Mon Jul 1, 2002 1:45 pm Subject: Macula Transfer TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak wrote: >As I said, we´d love to release these gems, but we just cannot. Maybe if >enough people complain to Virgin/EMI, they might change their mind. That sounds like a good idea. To whom should I send my complaint, person/Dept? /Olle From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Jul 1, 2002 2:47 pm Subject: RE: AW: [tadream] WARNING: Froeses Macula Transfer COUTERFEITS on Ebay!!! maybe it's good that Virgin/EMI/whomever is not releasing them. Good for TDI, that is. When rights are released (30 years from publishing date?) back to the artist, TDI can release them for full profit. Just curious, Martin - can you tell us when these contracts expire? i.e. when would Edgar have rights for Macula? Does every record have a different contract duration or are they all the same? Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak [mailto:manager@t...] > I think I´ll need to clarify something: the reason why we are > not releasing abovesaid releases is ... > because we do not own the rights. Back in the Seventies and From: Armin Theissen Date: Mon Jul 1, 2002 2:37 pm Subject: RE: AW: [tadream] WARNING: Froeses Macula Transfer COUTERFEITS on Ebay!!! > > maybe it's good that Virgin/EMI/whomever is not releasing them. Good for > TDI, that is. When rights are released (30 years from publishing date?) ^^^^^^^^ > back to the artist, TDI can release them for full profit. oh, that would be cool! Could we then expect TDI re-issues of Electronic Meditation, Alpha Centauri and Zeit this year, as enhanced CDs with some pictures and movies - eventually bonus tracks from that period? As a 3 or 5 CD box Set for Xmas with a sheep skin coat and something to smoke!??? (just kidding) armin > > Just curious, Martin - can you tell us when these contracts expire? i.e. > when would Edgar have rights for Macula? Does every record have a different > contract duration or are they all the same? > > Joe > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak [mailto:manager@t...] > > I think I´ll need to clarify something: the reason why we are > > not releasing abovesaid releases is ... > > because we do not own the rights. Back in the Seventies and > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34640 Re-issues Marcel Engels Mon 7/1/2002 2 KB From: Rainer Rutka Date: Mon Jul 1, 2002 2:56 pm Subject: Anthology 3 CD-PROMO set, new TD sampler 'Journey throught...' Hi! A new TD sampler will be released by Sanctuary records on the 15th of July called 'Journey through a burning brain / Anthology'. See tracklisting and pictures of the PROMO- and ORININAL release at my TD page: www.rutka.de/td -> NEWS -> (scroll down) - first entry at the 'SPECIALS' table It just another rererererererelease of the old TD stuff made available by Castle Records. Sampler no. 1233340023? Have fun and see ya all next month.... Rainer ------------------------------------------------------------------------ www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34647 Re: Anthology 3 CD-PROMO set, new TD sampler 'Jou Gustavo Jobim Tue 7/2/2002 2 KB 34662 Re: Anthology 3 CD-PROMO set, new TD sampler 'Jou heineu Tue 7/2/2002 3 KB From: 'Gibbons, Conrad' Date: Mon Jul 1, 2002 3:36 pm Subject: Orbital: Back To Mine, Network Twenty Three Hi, I just received this CD today in the mail. As you probably know it contains the TD track 'Network 23' from Exit. It is the same version of the track. I thought it might have been given the Orbital treatment but not so. Speaking of Orbital, I recently bought their 'The Altogether' DVD. It is worth buying for the Dr. Who remix alone - check out the cool trippy graphics/visuals for a psychedic experience! Later, Conrad Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34641 Re: Orbital: Back To Mine, Network Twenty Three Szatmari Pal Mon 7/1/2002 2 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Jul 1, 2002 4:14 pm Subject: RE: AW: [tadream] WARNING: Froeses Macula Transfer COUTERFEITS on Ebay!!! haha- well, I hope they could be released with additions only - not alterations! ;-) > -----Original Message----- > From: Armin Theissen [mailto:Armin.Theissen@s...] > Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 10:38 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: AW: [tadream] WARNING: Froeses Macula Transfer > COUTERFEITS > on Ebay!!! > > > > > > > > maybe it's good that Virgin/EMI/whomever is not releasing > them. Good for > > TDI, that is. When rights are released (30 years from > publishing date?) > ^^^^^^^^ > > back to the artist, TDI can release them for full profit. > > oh, that would be cool! Could we then expect TDI re-issues of > Electronic > Meditation, Alpha Centauri and Zeit this year, as enhanced CDs with > some pictures and movies - eventually bonus tracks from that period? > As a 3 or 5 CD box Set for Xmas with a sheep skin coat and something > to smoke!??? > > (just kidding) > > armin > > > > > Just curious, Martin - can you tell us when these contracts > expire? i.e. > > when would Edgar have rights for Macula? Does every record > have a different > > contract duration or are they all the same? > > > > Joe > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak > [mailto:manager@t...] > > > I think I´ll need to clarify something: the reason why we are > > > not releasing abovesaid releases is ... > > > because we do not own the rights. Back in the Seventies and > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Mon Jul 1, 2002 5:56 pm Subject: Re-issues > From: Armin Theissen [mailto:Armin.Theissen@s...] > > oh, that would be cool! Could we then expect TDI re-issues of > Electronic > Meditation, Alpha Centauri and Zeit this year, as enhanced CDs with > some pictures and movies - eventually bonus tracks from that period? > As a 3 or 5 CD box Set for Xmas with a sheep skin coat and something > to smoke!??? DVD-Audio with some pics or video-footage! Great idea. If that would ever happen I will buy everything again. Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... From: Szatmari Pal Date: Mon Jul 1, 2002 5:52 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Orbital: Back To Mine, Network Twenty Three GC> Hi, GC> I just received this CD today in the mail. As you probably know it contains the TD track 'Network 23' from Exit. It is the same version of the track. I thought it might have been given the GC> Orbital treatment but not so. How come? An unchanged TD track on an Orbital CD? How? and WHY? From: 'duncan mckee' Date: Mon Jul 1, 2002 7:24 pm Subject: vacation hi all i will be away from a computer screen for 7 days from 2nd july, so i cannot answer any mails until after the 9th july. Thank You. Duncan McKee tangram@t... www.tadream.co.uk www.tangerine-dream.co.uk ICQ 41739379 MSN Messenger dmckee20@h... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: thomas.soucheleau@n... Date: Mon Jul 1, 2002 8:12 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] re O.E.G. Hi. I never heard about the time signature having anything to do with prog rock (by the way, Atlas Eyes on optical Race is 5/4) but about berlin school, the quickest way to describe it could be music created by some crazy folks who happened to live in Berlin and who were using huge panels full of knobs and wire occasionnaly attached to a keyboard. I don't feel able to give a full definition (not more that I would be able to give a definition of Rock, Jazz or whatever else) but among other elements, there is of course the use of sequences and a specific use of repetition. The pieces are often monotonous (on purpose) or even static as far as harmony is concerned. Minimalist anyway. The sequence then often works as a layer for melodic lines played on top. I guess at some point, words like analog, improvisation or spacy are supposed to show up but well, if anybody can help me with my homework, may be it will be more convincing. :) Thomas. ----Message réexpédié---- >A: tadream@yahoogroups.com >De: Mark Filipak >Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 18:39:24 -0400 >Sujet: Re: [tadream] re O.E.G. > >thomas.soucheleau@n... wrote: >> >> Ah, Mark, catching me with my own trap! >> About this : >> > 'If music is played in the forest and there's no one there to listen >> > to it, is it music?' > >> How do you define 'no one' exactly? :) > >~LOL~ I'm not telling. Null's the word. 8^) > >> Of course there are many fascinating questions to discuss. For >> exemple, the definition of music itself. But even if it is a >> convenient convention, making a difference between classical, >> modern and post-modern ages in art still makes sense to me. >> Partly because the cultural context changes the way we look at >> our past, our present and our future. And those days, novelty >> sounds pretty much just like a promotional argument for a new >> brand of cereals to me. May be it's me, may be it's not. > >Let's not talk about talking about genres. Let's really talk about >genres. > >You used the common term 'Berlin School'. We all use it. Well, what is >Berlin School? > >Progressive Rock has a specific definition (well, pretty specific). I'm >not a muso, but it has something to do with R'n'R that has a specific >time signature -- is it 5/4? When you hear that particular sort of off >speed yet syncopated beat you say, 'Oi! That's prog!' Am I right? > >If (most) music has melody, harmony, and rhythm parts that are each >played by differring instruments, but if BS uses sequencers to supply a >combination melody-rhythmn part, and if that is unique to BS, and if you >agree with that, then perhaps that is a start towards describing what BS >is. > >Shall we continue with this? > >> Anyway, I didn't do my homework... but it's not my fault! You can even ask mom! Please don't punish me. :) >> >> Thomas. >> >> ----Message réexpédié---- >> >A: tadream@yahoogroups.com >> >De: Mark Filipak >> >Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 14:41:26 -0400 >> >Sujet: Re: [tadream] re O.E.G. >> > >> >Hi Thomas! >> > >> >thomas.soucheleau@n... wrote: >> >> >> >> Yeah. Once again, I realize I'm really no good at making my >> >> mind clear. And of course, it's also a question of definition >> >> and subjectivity. My thought was that blues, jazz, rock'n'roll >> >> or EM were once new. >> > >> > There is new music being made in these genres all the time. >> > >> > I find these kind of meta discussions endlessly facinating. For >> > example: >> > >> > If it is performed by an orchestra, does blues become orchestral >> > music? >> > >> > If someone creates a new jazz composition using only synthesizers, >> > is it jazz or is it EM? >> > >> > Is there any particular characteristic to what we (the consensus) >> > consider EM, that separates it from jazz or euro-classical or >> > indo-classical or any other recognizable genre? >> > >> >> For exemple, when TD released phaedra, it was something that >> >> seemed to come out almost from nowhere. >> > >> > Some might argue with that. Some might say that 'Phaedra' is merely >> > the re-expression of musical ideas originating all the way back in >> > the art nouveau. Some would trace it back to the pre-classical. I'm >> > sure some would trace it back to the Precambrian! >> > >> >> But there were also a bunch of other musicians converging in the >> >> same direction (shulze, ashra) and it became the berlin school. >> > >> > Ah! Berlin School. Now we're talking. Is Berlin School a genre? >> > If so, what are the qualities of BS that separate it from other >> > music? >> > >> > Can BS be performed with only analog instruments and still be BS? >> > >> > How much does a genre depend upon structure and how much does it >> > depend upon the instruments that are used? >> > >> > When electronics becomes indistiguishable from the analog world, >> > will BS cease to exist? >> > >> > If music is played in the forest and there's no one there to >> > listen to it, is it music? >> > >> >> Now, for a musician, every direction is virtually possible, which >> >> is good. But it seems that there are not so many musicians any more >> >> converging in one direction and creating a genre that doesn't seem >> >> to be just a other subdivision or an evolution of an existing genre >> >> (like say, new metal). >> > >> > Was there ever such a time? >> > >> >> + the big business makes nothing to promote creativity... >> > >> > ~LOL~ Big business doesn't want creativity. Creativity is risky. >> > Big business wants mediocrity. Mediocrity is predictable. Big >> > business wants commodities, not art. In art, big business is >> > immiscible. When big business acquires art it turns it into a >> > commodity. >> > >> > Small business *may* want creativity but only as a means of >> > becoming big, after which point it punishes creativity. >> > >> > Or am I just being cynical? >> > >> >> Maybe novelty in music is to be found in what they call 'new musics' >> >> in record stores! Just intonation, microtonality and that kind of >> >> stuff. >> > >> > Well, the definition of what is music is undergoing some revision >> > (some of which I disagree with). Is ambient music, music? Is >> > stochastic music, music? If a piece is computer generated from >> > microtones, is it music? When Jackson Pollack cut compositions out >> > of his paint spattered canvases was he acting as an artist or as a >> > critic? >> > >> > You used the term: Berlin School. What does that mean to you? Cite >> > ten examples of 'pure' Berlin School compositions (or even 'semi >> > pure' Berlin School compositions). What do they have in common? >> > Report back to the class when you are done. >> > >> > Class dismissed. -- Mark > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- >Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at >http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > >Tangerine Tree info at >http://www.tadream.net/tree > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- NetCourrier, votre bureau virtuel sur Internet : Mail, Agenda, Clubs, Toolbar... Web/Wap : www.netcourrier.com Téléphone/Fax : 08 92 69 00 21 (0,34 € TTC/min) Minitel: 3615 NETCOURRIER (0,15 € TTC/min) From: 'dellaferaj' Date: Mon Jul 1, 2002 2:56 am Subject: HP 51645A black ink cartridge I have a black ink cartridge HP 51645A in a box that I received but is not the right one for my printer. It is not a remanufactured one nor a refilled one but a brand new one by Hewlett Packard. All I want for it is either a 5cd trade or 5 decent blanks for it. [moderator's note: please reply off-list] From: 'vic rek' Date: Tue Jul 2, 2002 12:37 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: A picture speaks more than 1000 words... Here are a few of my impressions of the Berlin show held on June 15th: First off, I had to commute from Paris that morning to Berlin by train. I took the super express Thalys from Paris to Koeln, then from there by the ICE train to Berlin. The train trip itself was very cool - all high speed, but it still took around 8 hours. I got into Berlin around 6PM with just enough time to get a hotel room, change and determine how to reach the venue by the metro. I got there about an hour before the concert and I noticed all the hard core fans sitting fourth row center stage. I recall seeing one fan (named Christian) from the Bernau show. He is not on this list but was very enthusiastic to see me. He was the one that gave me directions from the train station in Bernau to the cathedral. And of course Heiko, Heiko, and Rainer were there! Of course I had to complete some trades with both Heiko's! It was great to meet Allistair and Piotr Millenium from Poland. There were some more fans that I may have missed, but I was too busy trying to hit the large white floating balloons. I didn't really have a seat, so I took a low position by the center fountain just behind the hardcore fans (it was too late to go back into the crowd once the show started..). Once the show started, some people popped the balloons and I managed to pick up most of the remains as souvenirs. I remember Heiko Heerssen looking at me with disbelief :-) Hey, if anyone wants a piece of this ballooon, just let me know and I'll send you a piece to keep with your official Inferno CD :-)!! Heiko's post covered many of the concert details, but I'll just add a few of my comments: ----- Original Message ----- From: Heiko Heerssen Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 6:16 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: A picture speaks more than 1000 words... > the music was almost 100% identically to what they played in Bernau. As far > as I can remember the only difference was the instrumention in 'La grey de > los almas perdidas'. It was like playing the whole 'Inferno' CD by adding > more bongo percussion. Yes, I agree. Not much room for improvisation, except for that short 'Sequent C'' track by Peter Baumann at the end of the show - just kidding. > As you can see from the pictures on Rainer's homepage the show itself was Don't forget about Heiko Neumann's webpage with the cool shot of Manuel Gottsching in one of the photos. > quite spectacular and impressive, but still I think that playing 'Inferno' in > a church (like the one in Bernau) is a much more suitable venue. In Bernau > the audience was calm and quiet. In Berlin it was noisy (not to mention the > two drunken jerks which were yelling and waving to the two female dancers > near the end of the show), and the audience was much bigger than in Bernau..I > was told that the concert was sold out and that the venue had a seating > capacity of 1500. It was sometimes difficult for me to concentrate on the > music, but then again I already knew the music inside out and there was very > little variation. Yes, the atmosphere was much different in Bernau. There it was somewhat of a 'religious' experience. It was late at night and foggy. Here it was warm and festive! I enjoyed the party-like atmosphere and the easy-going crowd. > There's not much to say about the concert except that the laser show in > Bernau was much better and impressive. But still I think it was a good > concert. Unlike Bernau they had two female dancers on stage which made short > appearances, they both looked gorgeous :-) TD received a standing ovation > and I think the crowd was quite pleased with what they saw. Yes, it was a great show overall, but different than Bernau in atmosphere. < [...] She also invited Rainer and > Alastair, and when we finally got into the backstage area (which was not more > like some sort of big tent) we looked at each other as if we had just hit the > jackpot. The tent was crammed full with the artists from the Inferno show > (the choir singers, Iris Kulterer etc.) Much to our surprise Vic was already > inside (he must have the right connections..envy!!), and after a few minutes > I took my chance and passed over the 'Tree box' to Edgar who I think was > quite pleased with it. The nice lady controlling the access to the backstage was Anja. She works in the TDI office and is very nice, so no hard feelings about her controlling the access - she did a great job!. I managed to get backstage earlier due to plain 'luck' :-), but I'm very happy that most of the hardcore fans had a chance to meet everyone and enjoy the after show reception. As for the reception, I really do not like to get into any details, but I must mention that Ralf Wadephul was there (Optical Race tour) and Olaf Zimmermann, the host of the German Elektrobeats radio show. Of course, it was super to meet Edgar, Jerome, Iris and Bianca at the reception! Most of the converstaions I had with people at the party had nothing to do with TD specifically; it just seemed more natural to just get to know the people and enjoy their company. > Then Vic introduced us to a person we didn't recognize first. 'Who is it?' we > asked. 'Ralf' he replied..then the pennies dropped: it was former member Ralf > Wadephul, who was playing with the band during 'Optical race' (1988-89). We > were quite thrilled to meet him and told him that we liked the 'Sun gate' > track on the Optical race album very much (which he wrote). We stayed inside > the tent for maybe half an hour and then walked out again only to find the > rest of the fans still waiting to get in, but for us the night still wasn't > over yet. TDI's manager invited us to a nearby pub and there we had a couple > of drinks..we really had a great time there (not to mention the prostitutes > that were walking up and down the streets ~lol~) At 3.30 am we stood up and > took a taxi which drove us back to our hotel. Yes, I was part of this after-party late night party. I recall having a great time in a part of town that catered to a party crowd and to prostitutes. Too bad my wife wasn't with me because she would have enjoyed the scene. I recall some great conversation with Martin, his wife, and our small crowd gathered around two tables. We were truly at easy with some beer flowing freely. So around 3:30 AM, Heiko, Allistair and I took a common cab which dropped us off at our little hotel rooms somewhere amidst the dimming city lights... Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34664 The dancers from the Berlin 2002 concert! Rainer Rutka Tue 7/2/2002 2 KB 34674 Re: The dancers from the Berlin 2002 concert! Heiko Heerssen Wed 7/3/2002 2 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Tue Jul 2, 2002 3:32 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Elec. Med. Yeah, in that point of view, I agree with you. But I think you agree there's not any, umm, 'traditional' structure. That's what I meant. >It's strange how interpretations can vary so much between listeners. I >too like Electronic Meditation, but I think it is a very structured album. >There may not be that much in terms of melody or harmony, but the >way the album develops from quiet-ish beginnings to an awful lot of >noise and then retreats back into its shell with the final track is a fine >execution of concept art. > >Dennis Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Tue Jul 2, 2002 3:41 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Anthology 3 CD-PROMO set, new TD sampler 'Journey throught...' >It just another rererererererelease of the old TD stuff made available >by Castle Records. Sampler no. 1233340023? List of standard first-day tasks for a new Castle Communications trainee: 1. Create a Tangerine Dream sampler; GJ- who is wondering if that joke is really that funny. ah, I like it. ;) np. Jamjar- Oxygene 7-13. cool stuff. Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Tue Jul 2, 2002 3:47 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Ratikon I would guess those names are also invented ones... do they mean anything in English? just curious. ah, very good quality recording by the way. both musical and... um... sonical? sonic? sound? soundishly? soundistic? soundishlisticlisticly? whatever. ;) >1. Ratikon 43:27 >2. Fohn 10:16 >3. Mure 4:32 Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... From: 'John Marchington' Date: Tue Jul 2, 2002 5:47 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Elec. Med. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Gustavo Jobim' To: Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 3:32 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Elec. Med. > Yeah, in that point of view, I agree with you. But I think you agree there's not any, umm, 'traditional' structure. That's what I meant. > > >It's strange how interpretations can vary so much between listeners. I > >too like Electronic Meditation, but I think it is a very structured album. > >There may not be that much in terms of melody or harmony, but the > >way the album develops from quiet-ish beginnings to an awful lot of > >noise and then retreats back into its shell with the final track is a fine > >execution of concept art. > > > >Dennis > > > Gustavo Jobim > gustavojobim@n... > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Marion Horrod Date: Tue Jul 2, 2002 8:32 am Subject: Moby says ... Found an interesting thought in Moby's diary (no, I have never listened to Moby, someone pointed me to http://www.moby.com/index2.html) He describes 'the 'pearl jam effect' as being a phenomenon wherein bands who have very technically savvy fans will see their records do poorly in the charts, whereas bands/artists who have less technically savvy fans will see their records do quite well in the charts. this is owing to the fact that bands/artists with technically savvy fans will have a lot of fans who will end up downloading music or burning cd's, whereas less tech-savvy fans will generally end up buying their cd's. ' Comments, anyone? LnH Marion Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34659 Re: Moby says ... Administrator for kay-net.com Tue 7/2/2002 4 KB From: 'Gibbons, Conrad' Date: Tue Jul 2, 2002 8:36 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Orbital: Back To Mine, Network Twenty Three + Joe Satriani in Dublin Pal, I think the idea behind the 'Back To Mine' cd range is that they are compilations made by different artists (in this case Orbital) of tracks favoured by that artist. So, this Orbital 'Bact To Mine' compilation is a varied mixture of tracks which Orbital would have you listen to if you went to a party back in their place. There is some Orbital music between tracks mainly - for example at the very end of 'Network 23' there is an Orbital 'link' to the next track, instead of silence. OFF TOPIC: Joe Satriani plays in Dublin on July 21st. I will be at the concert and I have some spare tickets for sale if anyone is interested (Armin?). Let me know off-list if you are. Should be a good gig. He has a new album entitled 'Strange Beautiful Music' out at the moment. Regards, Conrad -----Original Message----- From: Szatmari Pal [mailto:koronzon@m...] Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 6:53 PM To: Gibbons, Conrad Subject: Re: [tadream] Orbital: Back To Mine, Network Twenty Three GC> Hi, GC> I just received this CD today in the mail. As you probably know it contains the TD track 'Network 23' from Exit. It is the same version of the track. I thought it might have been given the GC> Orbital treatment but not so. How come? An unchanged TD track on an Orbital CD? How? and WHY? ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'vic rek' Date: Tue Jul 2, 2002 12:57 pm Subject: Tangerine Dream Singles for Offer I have some TD and related 7' and 12' singles for offer. I prefer to trade if possible, but I will consider other offers, including package deals. Here is the list: Betrayal (Sorcerer Theme)/Grind - Spain MCA 60 30 513, w/sp. red sticker vg/vg+ Choronzon/Network 23 - UK Virgin VS 444 m-/- Flashpoint (The Gems)/Going West - EEC 1C 006 20 0378 7, with PS, vg+/vg++ Warsaw in the Sun/Polish Dance - Poland Tonpress S-575 in PS m-/m- Warsaw in the Sun/Polish Dance - UK Jive 74, picture disc shaped like Poland Das Mädchen auf der Treppe/Katja (from Tatort) - Germany Virgin 104 405-100 in PS m-/vg+ Daydream/Moorland/Miriam (from Tatort) - Germany Virgin 105 271-100 in PS, co, m-/vg+ Tiergarten/Streethawk - Germany Jive 6/141176, promo only cover and info in PS, m-/m- Streethawk/Tiergarten - UK Jive 101, world label with PS, vg+/vg+ Dancing on a White Moon/Shy People - Germany Edelton EDL 25070, in PS, vg+/vg+ Tyger/21st Century Common Man - Holland Jive 145.326 AC in 'Logo' PS m-/vg++ Tyger/21st Century Common Man - Germany Teldec 6.14856 AC with PROMO back sleeve m-/vg++ Alexander Square/Berlin Summer Nights - Germany Hamsa/BMG 112 892, in PS, vg+/m- Big City Dwarves - Germany Virgin 114 981, in PS Promo (no markings), m-/m- Peter Baumann - Biking up the Strand/Dance at Dawn - France Virgin 105093 in PS vg+/vg+ Peter Baumann - Strangers in the Night/Fremde in Der Nacht - Germany Arista 106 107-000 PROMO ONLY in PS, sol vg++/vg++ Peter Baumann - Repeat Repeat/Realtimes - Holland vg++/vg+ Peter Baumann - Daytime Logic FLEXI #8 from Magazine m-/- Michael Hoenig - Departure From the Northern Wasterland - US Warner PRO-E-712 m-/vg+ Ashra (M. Gottsching) - Geile Tiere/Chinatown - German Private Pressing 7' (rare), m-/m- Streethawk (remix)/Streethawk/Tiergarten - US Relativity EMC 8044, 12' m-/vg Streethawk/Tiergarten/Gaudi Park/Warsaw in the Sun parts 1&2 - UK Jive T 101, 12' m-/vg++ Das Madchen/Flock/Katja/Speed - Germany Vigin 600 651-213, SuperSound 45rpm 12', m-/vg++ Tyger (short)/21st Century Common Man Pt. 2/Tyger (long) - UK Jive T 143 12', m-/- Dolphin Dance/Dolphin Smile/Song of the Whale - US Relativity 1986, 12' EP, vg++/vg Baumann - Strangers in the Night (3 versions) (EP single) - US Portrait 4R9-04029, 12' w/PS, 1983 Robert Schroder - Space Detective/Sky-Walker, Innovative Comm. 80.029, 45rpm 12' EP I have one SUPER RARE 7' for offer that is one of the top 3 (in my opinion) rarest TD 7' of all time! *** Bent Cold Sidewalk/Rising Runner Missed by Endless Sender - MADE IN FRANCE Virgin/Polydor 2814 102, mint codition and comes in a brown Polydor French title sleeve. A beautiful item for the most hardcore TD collector. Now the catch, I can only trade this for one of the following: Grind/Grind - US 7' promo Peter Baumann - Bicentennial Present/Romance - France Virgin 281409 7' with picture sleeve Peter Baumann - Chasing the Dream/White Bench and Black Bench - France Virgin 2814159 7' Pardon for the interruption. Vic From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Tue Jul 2, 2002 2:03 pm Subject: Jerome's Underground Page I wonder what has happened to Jerome Froese's Underground page (http://www.netstore.de/~jvfields) Since a couple of years (!) there were no changes made at all, and when I was trying to open the page today it said 'Forbidden - your client is not allowed to access the requested object'. Maybe he's trying a re-launch? :-) Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34660 Re: Jerome's Underground Page Administrator for kay-net.com Tue 7/2/2002 3 KB 34661 AW: [tadream] Jerome's Underground Page Herbert Tue 7/2/2002 2 KB 34663 Re: Jerome's Underground Page Administrator for kay-net.com Tue 7/2/2002 3 KB From: Armin Theissen Date: Tue Jul 2, 2002 2:37 pm Subject: RE: [OT: Joe Satriani in Dublin Hi, I'm very very tempted... though I cannot confirm now since I might have to go to Germany on short notice. The new album is, btw, great! Recognizable from the first note, so some may say he repeats himself, but still kick ***. cheers a. > OFF TOPIC: Joe Satriani plays in Dublin on July 21st. I will be at the concert and I have some spare tickets for sale if anyone is interested (Armin?). Let me know off-list if you are. Should be a good gig. He has a new album entitled 'Strange Beautiful Music' out at the moment. > > Regards, > > Conrad ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen From: 'Owens, James' Date: Tue Jul 2, 2002 3:33 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Moby says what RIAA tells him to... Being a tech-savvy fan of TD, Schulze, Pete Namlook, Vangelis, JMJ, Mike Oldfield, etc, etc, (but not Moby) I thought I could speak to this. I download MP3's ravenously. HOWEVER, I am a generally lazy person, and I would sooner buy the CD and not have to fool with it. But on the other hand, if buying the CD is more difficult (regardless of the money) than downloading, I'll likely download it. The most important thing to note here, though, is that if I like the music, I WILL EVENTUALLY BUY IT!!! I like the CD sound better than MP3, and even if I get a copy on CDR from somebody, I'd still rather have an original. Case-in-point: Dark Side of the Moog VII: (If you've been on the list any length of time, you already know how I feel about this masterpiece!) I downloaded this in MP3 a long time before I finally found it locally for sale, but I whooped for joy when I saw it, even though I already had all the music. To me, getting the CD is still a form of permanence that appeals to me. If I don't like the music, I probably won't buy it. (TD and Vangelis are the exceptions, since I'm a bit of a completist.) But then, I probably would never have bought any more Klaus Schulze after buying 'The Dresden Performance' if I hadn't been able to get a few CDR copies from folks, and download a few MP3 files. Now - GOD HELP ME - I'm inching toward becoming a Schulze completist! James -----Original Message----- From: Marion Horrod [mailto:marion@h...] He describes 'the 'pearl jam effect' as being a phenomenon wherein bands who have very technically savvy fans will see their records do poorly in the charts, whereas bands/artists who have less technically savvy fans will see their records do quite well in the charts. this is owing to the fact that bands/artists with technically savvy fans will have a lot of fans who will end up downloading music or burning cd's, whereas less tech-savvy fans will generally end up buying their cd's. ' From: 'tei waz' Date: Tue Jul 2, 2002 4:05 pm Subject: re fohn--defined? IIRC, isn't 'fohn' a certain (perhaps weather-related) phenomenon that is blamed for some melancholic malaise that comes over some folks from a certain region of germany? how's that for a vague definition? can someone who's more enlightened here fill us in furthur (sorry for the alt. spelling wishing I was going to alpine valley for the Grateful Dead reunion....) --T _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34657 Re: re fohn--defined? Armin Theissen Tue 7/2/2002 3 KB From: Armin Theissen Date: Tue Jul 2, 2002 4:25 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] re fohn--defined? it is (were the 'o' should be an umlaut). The word is also used for a hair dryer a. > > IIRC, isn't 'fohn' a certain (perhaps weather-related) phenomenon that is > blamed for some melancholic malaise that comes over some folks from a > certain region of germany? > > how's that for a vague definition? can someone who's more enlightened here > fill us in furthur (sorry for the alt. spelling wishing I was going to > alpine valley for the Grateful Dead reunion....) > > --T > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen From: Morgan Feldon Date: Tue Jul 2, 2002 5:17 pm Subject: 'Pearl Jam effect' >Marion said: > >Found an interesting thought in Moby's diary (no, I have never listened to >Moby, someone pointed me to http://www.moby.com/index2.html) > >He describes 'the 'pearl jam effect' as being a phenomenon wherein bands >who have very technically savvy fans will see their records do poorly in >the charts, whereas bands/artists who have less technically savvy fans will >see their records do quite well in the charts. this is owing to the fact >that bands/artists with technically savvy fans will have a lot of fans who >will end up downloading music or burning cd's, whereas less tech-savvy fans >will generally end up buying their cd's. ' > >Comments, anyone? > >LnH > >Marion That's not it at all. Smart, technically-minded people are just rare to begin with. :) -Morgan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34666 Re: 'Pearl Jam effect' Miguel Farah Wed 7/3/2002 3 KB From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Tue Jul 2, 2002 5:43 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Moby says ... Not too far wrong from my observations. The less tech savvy fans have greater numbers as well. So if you dress up, look like, blend to that view, you might count success in numbers of sales. If that is your motives (to make money). Sale the masses what they want. I still have to tell you that, as a more tech savvy fan, I prefer a higher quality of music. Something more a kin to being in tune. Hey lets go for it, I even prefer a band who knows how to actually play the instruments they have in their hands... dale ;-) rrrr that be a evil remark sure to spur a thought or two.... Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Marion Horrod' To: Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 1:32 AM Subject: [tadream] Moby says ... > Found an interesting thought in Moby's diary (no, I have never listened to > Moby, someone pointed me to http://www.moby.com/index2.html) > > He describes 'the 'pearl jam effect' as being a phenomenon wherein bands > who have very technically savvy fans will see their records do poorly in > the charts, whereas bands/artists who have less technically savvy fans will > see their records do quite well in the charts. this is owing to the fact > that bands/artists with technically savvy fans will have a lot of fans who > will end up downloading music or burning cd's, whereas less tech-savvy fans > will generally end up buying their cd's. ' > > Comments, anyone? > > LnH > > Marion > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Tue Jul 2, 2002 5:46 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Jerome's Underground Page If the index page is removed or one of the start up pages for that folder (directory) you would get that. I hate to think someone hacked it. But, if your thoughts are true... that would be cool to see something fresh to view for a bit. Dale Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Heiko Heerssen' To: Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 7:03 AM Subject: [tadream] Jerome's Underground Page > I wonder what has happened to Jerome Froese's Underground page > (http://www.netstore.de/~jvfields) Since a couple of years (!) there > were no changes made at all, and when I was trying to open the page > today it said 'Forbidden - your client is not allowed to access the > requested object'. Maybe he's trying a re-launch? :-) > > Heiko > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34661 AW: [tadream] Jerome's Underground Page Herbert Tue 7/2/2002 2 KB From: 'Herbert' Date: Tue Jul 2, 2002 6:26 pm Subject: AW: [tadream] Jerome's Underground Page Hi, > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > Von: Administrator for kay-net.com [mailto:admin@k...] > Gesendet: Dienstag, 2. Juli 2002 19:47 > An: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Betreff: Re: [tadream] Jerome's Underground Page > > > If the index page is removed or one of the start up pages for > that folder > (directory) you would get that. I hate to think someone hacked it. > But, if your thoughts are true... that would be cool to see > something fresh > to view for a bit. I expect that would result in Error 404 - Not found (in contrast to 403 - Access denied). Herbert From: 'heineu' Date: Tue Jul 2, 2002 6:24 pm Subject: Re: Anthology 3 CD-PROMO set, new TD sampler 'Journey throught...' Hi, yesterday I received the 3 Promo CDR version (this is official) from the Anthology Box Release for free. Pictures tomorrow evening on my Homepage. Regards heiko - Mr. Optical www.opticaldream.de --- In tadream@y..., Rainer Rutka wrote: > Hi! > > A new TD sampler will be released by Sanctuary records on the 15th of > July called 'Journey through a burning brain / Anthology'. > > See tracklisting and pictures of the PROMO- and ORININAL release at > my TD page: > > www.rutka.de/td -> NEWS -> (scroll down) - first entry at the 'SPECIALS' table > > It just another rererererererelease of the old TD stuff made available > by Castle Records. Sampler no. 1233340023? > > Have fun and see ya all next month.... > > Rainer > -------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > www.rutka.de/td > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Tue Jul 2, 2002 6:58 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Jerome's Underground Page Well, you can make the errors anything you want to say, but you might be right... I checked it out, I get the feeling that the folder (directory) isn't there anymore... Dale Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Herbert' To: Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 11:26 AM Subject: AW: [tadream] Jerome's Underground Page > Hi, > > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > > Von: Administrator for kay-net.com [mailto:admin@k...] > > Gesendet: Dienstag, 2. Juli 2002 19:47 > > An: tadream@yahoogroups.com > > Betreff: Re: [tadream] Jerome's Underground Page > > > > > > If the index page is removed or one of the start up pages for > > that folder > > (directory) you would get that. I hate to think someone hacked it. > > But, if your thoughts are true... that would be cool to see > > something fresh > > to view for a bit. > > I expect that would result in Error 404 - Not found (in contrast to 403 - > Access denied). > > Herbert > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Rainer Rutka Date: Tue Jul 2, 2002 10:38 pm Subject: The dancers from the Berlin 2002 concert! Vic wrote: > > Unlike Bernau they had two female dancers on stage which made short > > appearances, they both looked gorgeous :-) I met the two dancers who where on stage with TD during this show. Very friendly girls. These girls do have an own webpage (www.oasis-danse-ensemble.de). I put a link onto my td site, too. Who will be in Nideggen? I will come on Saturday only. Rainer ------------------------------------------------------------------------ www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34674 Re: The dancers from the Berlin 2002 concert! Heiko Heerssen Wed 7/3/2002 2 KB From: Deb H-J Date: Wed Jul 3, 2002 12:42 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1397 Morgan: << I am expecting to have a Phase 2 to my website when more people who attended have written their notes and submitted photos. >> Count me among the Phase 2 folks. I am slowly but surely getting my narrative done. Work and health matters have slowed me down lately, but the urge to get it out is still there. Plus, Roger J. has some mah-velous photos we are eager to share. I know...promises, promises...+:o] Deb H-J dhj4@y... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From: Miguel Farah Date: Wed Jul 3, 2002 12:59 am Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Pearl Jam effect' Morgan Feldon [02/07/2002 13:31] dijo/said: > >>Marion said: >> >>Found an interesting thought in Moby's diary (no, I have never listened to >>Moby, someone pointed me to http://www.moby.com/index2.html) >> >>He describes 'the 'pearl jam effect' as being a phenomenon wherein bands >>who have very technically savvy fans will see their records do poorly in >>the charts, whereas bands/artists who have less technically savvy fans will >>see their records do quite well in the charts. this is owing to the fact >>that bands/artists with technically savvy fans will have a lot of fans who >>will end up downloading music or burning cd's, whereas less tech-savvy fans >>will generally end up buying their cd's. ' >> >>Comments, anyone? >> >>LnH >> >>Marion > >That's not it at all. > >Smart, technically-minded people are just rare to begin with. :) ... and they usually like music that is less popular to begin with. From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Wed Jul 3, 2002 12:55 am Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #275 [ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #275 June 27, 2002. RECAP: On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on Amir Baghiri, who creates ambient music laced with tribal, world, and industrial influences. The Featured CD at midnight was 'Sleep,' the fourth disc from 'The Bluebox Collection' on the Arya label. The Vinyl Starter was from Et S'Aimer Et Mourir by Catharsis on the Sonopresse label. Amir Baghiri http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2002/focus02.html#jun PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Catharsis Vie Et S'Aimer Et Mourir (Sonopresse) Don Slepian Fugitive Intuition Electronic Music from the Rainbow Isle (none) Ricochet Musos Southern Sunset Okefenokee Dreams 2001 (Neu Harmony and Quantum) Ricochet Musos Feedback Okefenokee Dreams 2001 (Neu Harmony and Quantum) Craig Padilla Melting Galaxies Folding Space and Menlting Galaxies (Soace for Music) VA [Harold Grosskopf] Nostalgia 76 First Decade (Manikin) 12:00 am Amir Baghiri Part 1 Sleep (Arya) Amir Baghiri Part 2 Sleep (Arya) Amir Baghiri Part 3 Sleep (Arya) Amir Baghiri Part 4 Sleep (Arya) Amir Baghiri Part 5 Sleep (Arya) Amir Baghiri Part 6 Sleep (Arya) Amir Baghiri Part 7 Sleep (Arya) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll begin a month-long focus on Robert Carty. The Featured CD at Midnight will be 'Gateway' on the Deep Sky label. The vinyl show starter will be from the LP 'Floating Music' by Robert Schroder on the IC label. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. Show Sites: http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm Radio Station Web Sites: http://wdiyfm.org http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us From: Deb H-J Date: Wed Jul 3, 2002 12:57 am Subject: Re: Awards for services to music industry. Marion: << Here's a counter-question for you. Why is it that you're not 'allowed'to like newer forms of music if you're over 40? Why is it so 'pathetic'for someone my age to want to dance to repetitive beats till they drop? >> You can up the age to 50, or me now =:o] I confess I've always been a frustrated percussionist, and can't listen to music with any sort of beat without moving something. Since getting the 'beat bug' at Okefenokee, I've been checking out he electronica sections of CD stores, looking for imports that have the same clever upbeat of Star Sounds Orchestra. My 16 year old neice and several of her friends are also recently enraptured with the sound, and want to adapt it for the Dance-Dance Revolution (DDR) tournaments. So you have a 50 year old and a 16 year old dancing around to the same tracks, and we're both having a good time. Swamp Stomp Forever, Deb H-J dhj4@y... np: Kit Watkin's 'Sunstruck' __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34673 Re: Awards for services to music industry. Gustavo Jobim Wed 7/3/2002 2 KB From: 'vic rek' Date: Wed Jul 3, 2002 1:35 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Awards for services to music industry. [...] Since getting the 'beat bug' > at Okefenokee, I've been checking out he electronica > sections of CD stores, looking for imports that have > the same clever upbeat of Star Sounds Orchestra. My 16 > year old neice and several of her friends are also > recently enraptured with the sound, and want to adapt > it for the Dance-Dance Revolution (DDR) tournaments. Steve Schroyder (ex-TD member from 1971) and Jens Zygar make up Star Sounds Orchestra. They have two styles: Cosmic ambient tuned to the cosmic octave and psychedelic trance. I've been working with them lately and we are planning a concert for next year right after the Ricochet Gathering at the Mojave Desert in Las Vegas. At the moment I am a distributer for some of their CDs. The following CDs are in stock and all are $15 each. - Kosmophonon (ambient) - Psy*Force (Psy trance) - VA- Apoldaer Weltglockengeläut (ambient and bells) 3 SSO tracks and a great track by Der SPYRA! I also have a few Pre-Release CD-Rs of their latest CD 'Ooz'. Vic From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Wed Jul 3, 2002 1:37 am Subject: EMUSIC Monthly Top 20 Report for June, 2002 WDIY 88.1 FM 'EMUSIC' Top 20 report to New Age Voice and CD Revolutions for June, 2002. Shows #272 to #275; 6-June-2002 to 27-June-2002 Reported in non-ranked order. Compiled by Bill Fox, billfox@f... CONTACT: billfox@f... http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE - LABEL ============================ Alhedion - Kosmische Spuren Eines Lebens - Invisible Shadows Amir Baghiri - City - Arya Amir Baghiri - Live - Arya Amir Baghiri - Night - Arya Amir Baghiri - Sleep - Arya Boots, Aerts, vd Heijden - Livelines - Groove Brannan Land and vidnaObmana - Deep Unknown - brannanlane.com Chris Short and Vir Unis - The Yellow House - In the Bubble Music Craig Padilla - Folding Space and Menlting Galaxies - Space for Music Don Slepian - Electronic Music from the Rainbow Isle - none Giles Reaves with Ashid Himons - The Deep End - Space for Music Martin, Klamt, Rownd - Convergence - Spotted Peccary Max Corbacho - The Resonant Memory of Earth - Space for Music Ministry of Inside Things - Live at the ICA - Synkronos Ministry of Inside Things - Live at the Phila. Museum - Synkronos Ricochet Musos - Okefenokee Dreams 2001 - Neu Harmony and Quantum Robert Rich - Shambala - Space for Music Robert Rich and Ian Boddy - Outpost - DiN Various Artists - First Decade - Manikin vidnaObmana and Joris De Backer - The Oblique Fusion - none Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. Show Sites: http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm Radio Station Web Sites: http://wdiyfm.org http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us From: quarlie@a... Date: Wed Jul 3, 2002 2:18 am Subject: Definition of prog-rock (was 're: OEG' or something) In a message dated 6/30/02 6:40:14 PM, filipak@m... writes: >Progressive Rock has a specific definition (well, pretty specific). I'm >not a muso, but it has something to do with R'n'R that has a specific >time signature -- is it 5/4? When you hear that particular sort of off >speed yet syncopated beat you say, 'Oi! That's prog!' Am I right? I'm going to have to say no to that. Weird time signatures are certainly common in prog-rock (not just 5 but also 7, 11, 13, etc.), but it's not necessarily a defining trait of the genre. The usual time signatures still show up in a lot of music that gets classified as prog. In fact, I'd go as far as to say that there is no such specific definition of progressive rock. That, I think, is what makes it progressive. A lot of prog bands have certain traits in common, because they share the same influences, but then there can be a band like (for example) King's X that doesn't really sound like any other prog bands. What makes them 'prog' is the ambition to do something different that goes beyond the boundaries of ordinary rock. All just my opinion, of course. --Daniel NP: Angel Dust - Bleed From: quarlie@a... Date: Wed Jul 3, 2002 2:21 am Subject: OT: Synthpop Goes the World Hey, I was just wondering, since we're all into electronic music--did anybody from this list (besides me) happen to attend this past weekend's Synthpop Goes the World festival in Toronto? If so, contact me off-list. --Daniel From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Wed Jul 3, 2002 4:43 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Awards for services to music industry. oooh, sorry for the offtopic, but i have to say, kit watkins is very very good. I recommend. Lots of well made rhythms, clever tracks. Excellent sound. Not your bread-and-butter berlin school though. Something a bit different. Sometimes with a jazzy touch from what I heard (a friend made a 4CD compilation for me and that's all I have, since I never found any cds for sale). Some of my favourites are I Forgot to Push It (from the Happy the Man time), Cell Division. There are others but I forgot their names, and I'm too lazy to check them now. Deb H-J said: >np: Kit Watkin's 'Sunstruck' Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Wed Jul 3, 2002 7:51 am Subject: Re: [tadream] The dancers from the Berlin 2002 concert! > Who will be in Nideggen? I will come on Saturday only. I received my two tickets for the Saturday show yesterday...front row! :-B The second ticket is for my wife, I somehow managed to persuade her to join me. Since she mostly listens to stuff like Westlife, Modern Talking or other chart music I fear that 'Inferno' will cause a culture shock ~lol~ Heiko From: Marion Horrod Date: Wed Jul 3, 2002 8:05 am Subject: Was Awards for services to music industry Hey Jan - are you calling me an adult? How dare you! I'm a senile delinquent and proud of it! LnH Marion From: Wade Gordon Date: Wed Jul 3, 2002 3:14 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI soundtrack rights Well, Chris Franke was going to release that and some Michael Hoenig stuff until he started running out of money... --- Paul Lawler wrote: > Is it the same situation with the music from > StreetHawk as well ? TDI dont > own the rights , or are there any plans for this > music to be released ? > > Paul > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From: 'Paul Lawler' Date: Wed Jul 3, 2002 3:23 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI soundtrack rights ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Wade Gordon' To: Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 4:14 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI soundtrack rights > Well, Chris Franke was going to release that and some > Michael Hoenig stuff until he started running out of > money... I know Sonic Images were having trouble but you`d think that 'StreetHawk'would have been a pretty good seller overall ? Paul Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34685 Re: TDI soundtrack rights Wade Gordon Wed 7/3/2002 3 KB 34686 Re: TDI soundtrack rights Wade Gordon Wed 7/3/2002 3 KB From: 'Owens, James' Date: Wed Jul 3, 2002 4:26 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] TDI soundtrack rights Wade sez: > > Well, Chris Franke was going to release that and some > > Michael Hoenig stuff until he started running out of > > money... Paul replies: > I know Sonic Images were having trouble but you`d think that > 'StreetHawk'would have been a pretty good seller overall ? So should we organize a campaign to collect enough money for Sonic Images to release Streethawk? Or maybe if everyone on the list buys all the B5 episodics ;-) James From: 'tei waz' Date: Wed Jul 3, 2002 6:51 pm Subject: 'buys all the B5...' >Or maybe if everyone on the list buys all the B5 episodics ;-) not THAT!, heh! np the WHO--baba o'riley (gearin' up for seein' 'em tonight after all!) _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34680 Re: 'buys all the B5...' Administrator for kay-net.com Wed 7/3/2002 3 KB 34681 Re: 'buys all the B5...' Rainer Rutka Wed 7/3/2002 2 KB 34689 Re: 'buys all the B5...' Miguel Farah Wed 7/3/2002 2 KB From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Wed Jul 3, 2002 6:58 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] 'buys all the B5...' yum ;-) note it back to me off list how the Who went... if you would be so kind that is... dale Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'tei waz' To: Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 11:51 AM Subject: [tadream] 'buys all the B5...' > > > >Or maybe if everyone on the list buys all the B5 > episodics ;-) > > not THAT!, heh! > > np the WHO--baba o'riley (gearin' up for seein' 'em tonight after all!) > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Rainer Rutka Date: Wed Jul 3, 2002 7:21 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] 'buys all the B5...' > >Or maybe if everyone on the list buys all the B5 > episodics ;-) > not THAT!, heh! I did :-)! Rainer ------------------------------------------------------------------------ www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: 'Whiteley, Steve' Date: Wed Jul 3, 2002 8:10 pm Subject: RE: Kosmophonon by SSO To me this one has melody, rhythm, and real gongs, it is also based on Cosmic Tuning, my favorite of the bunch right now. I find the psy trance much more interesting than other trance that I've heard. Kosmophonon is one of the older releases. -Steve From: Liondream@a... Date: Wed Jul 3, 2002 8:38 pm Subject: tech savvy fans ...and for the ones with the SUPER tech savvy fans... those fans will even go so far as to organize their own concert cd series and distribution network. Not only will they remaster and fix what the band itself did not, in some cases they will even write their own software programs with which to do it! :-) <<<>Marion said: > >Found an interesting thought in Moby's diary (no, I have never listened to >Moby, someone pointed me to http://www.moby.com/index2.html) > >He describes 'the 'pearl jam effect' as being a phenomenon wherein bands >who have very technically savvy fans will see their records do poorly in >the charts, whereas bands/artists who have less technically savvy fans will >see their records do quite well in the charts. this is owing to the fact >that bands/artists with technically savvy fans will have a lot of fans who >will end up downloading music or burning cd's, whereas less tech-savvy fans >will generally end up buying their cd's. ' > >Comments, anyone? > >LnH > >Marion>>> From: peter.stoeferle@t... Date: Wed Jul 3, 2002 9:21 pm Subject: (OT) Re: re fohn--defined? > From: 'tei waz' > Subject: re fohn--defined? > > IIRC, isn't 'fohn' a certain (perhaps weather-related) phenomenon that is > blamed for some melancholic malaise that comes over some folks from a > certain region of germany? > > how's that for a vague definition? can someone who's more enlightened here > fill us in furthur (sorry for the alt. spelling wishing I was going to > alpine valley for the Grateful Dead reunion....) Fohn (Foehn) is caused by huge air volumes pressed over the Alps from northern Italia to southern Germany. The air gets warm when falling down on the north side of the mountains from 2000 or 3000 meters to 500 or 700 meters. This may cause spring days in mid-winter in certain areas. This year they had 21 or 22 degrees (Celsius) one day between the Danube river and the Alps where usually it should have below zero. If you are on a mountain or on a high tower on such a day, you can usually see for hundreds of kilometers absolutely clear, but towns or places 200 km away look like if you could have a walk to them. But Foehn does not cause a certain melancolic malaise (at least not what Germans mean when they feel melancolic: Weltschmerz), but a serious headache if you are sensitive for it. For those who are affected a Foehn day is not a good day to decide whether to sell their TD collection or not... Peter (living in an area sometimes reached by the Foehn...) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34688 Re: (OT) Re: re fohn--defined? Rainer Rutka Wed 7/3/2002 3 KB 34692 (OT) Re: re fohn--defined? gyedid01 Thu 7/4/2002 2 KB 34693 Re: (OT) Re: re fohn--defined? PENFOLD Thu 7/4/2002 3 KB 34696 Re: (OT) Re: re fohn--defined? Owens, James Fri 7/5/2002 2 KB 34702 Re: (OT) Re: re fohn--defined? Volkmar Friauf Sat 7/6/2002 2 KB From: Wade Gordon Date: Wed Jul 3, 2002 9:21 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI soundtrack rights Actually, people are screaming for it and also the 'Dark Skies' Michael Hoenig stuff. Wade --- Paul Lawler wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Wade Gordon' > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 4:14 PM > Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI soundtrack rights > > > > Well, Chris Franke was going to release that and > some > > Michael Hoenig stuff until he started running out > of > > money... > > I know Sonic Images were having trouble but you`d > think that > 'StreetHawk'would have been a pretty good seller > overall ? > > Paul > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34686 Re: TDI soundtrack rights Wade Gordon Wed 7/3/2002 3 KB From: Wade Gordon Date: Wed Jul 3, 2002 9:30 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI soundtrack rights Well, from what I gathered Ford A. Thaxton was working on the projects he did a great job for the Terminator special edition. Wade --- Wade Gordon wrote: > Actually, people are screaming for it and also the > 'Dark Skies' Michael Hoenig stuff. > > Wade > --- Paul Lawler wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: 'Wade Gordon' > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 4:14 PM > > Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI soundtrack rights > > > > > > > Well, Chris Franke was going to release that and > > some > > > Michael Hoenig stuff until he started running > out > > of > > > money... > > > > I know Sonic Images were having trouble but you`d > > think that > > 'StreetHawk'would have been a pretty good seller > > overall ? > > > > Paul > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: > > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From: Wade Gordon Date: Wed Jul 3, 2002 9:32 pm Subject: Coming soon to www.lougentile.com My radio program 'Sound Explorer' is coming soon to www.lougentile.com and it will contain the music that we all dig. The first hour will be a homage to 'Space TransTronicNights' and then the 'Vic Rek' salute to Tangerine Dream. Stay tuned for more info. Wade __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From: Rainer Rutka Date: Wed Jul 3, 2002 10:04 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] (OT) Re: re fohn--defined? On Wed, 3 Jul 2002 peter.stoeferle@t... wrote: >Fohn (Foehn) is caused by huge air volumes pressed over the Alps from northern >Italia to southern Germany. The air gets warm when falling down on the north >.. this is the best description of FOEHN I ever red :-))) Rainer ------------------------------------------------------------------------ www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: Miguel Farah Date: Wed Jul 3, 2002 11:13 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] 'buys all the B5...' tei waz [03/07/2002 15:03] dijo/said: > > >>Or maybe if everyone on the list buys all the B5 >episodics ;-) > >not THAT!, heh! Too late. From: 'vic rek' Date: Thu Jul 4, 2002 2:47 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Ricochet Gathering 2002: Okefenokee I have opened an 'Invitiation Only' discussion group for the Ricochet Gatherings. I you are interested in attending one of these events, please send me an e-mail me and briefly tell me why you would like to join. I will e-mail you an invitation with the appropriate URL for joining. Vic ----- Original Message ----- From: Morgan Feldon To: Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 7:33 PM Subject: [tadream] Ricochet Gathering 2002: Okefenokee > Picture yourself at ease with John Christian, Peter Ruczynski, Steve > Schroyder, Jens Zygar, Bill Fox, Dave Brewer, countless other aspiring > musicians and electronic music fans (is there a distinction?) huddled > together in a pleasant cottage out in the Okefenokee Swamp. Imagine being > inches away from the music as it's being performed. You can walk around the > room and watch what each musician's contribution is to the myriad > percussion-driven sequences. The line between musician and fan has blurred. > What you are experiencing is the third incarnation of Vic Rek's masterfully > organized Ricochet Gathering, the last one (for the time being), to be > enjoyed in those surroundings which, indirectly, influenced one of > Tangerine Dream's essential tracks, '3 AM at the Border of the Marsh from > Okefenokee'. From: DAVKAUFMAN@a... Date: Thu Jul 4, 2002 6:55 pm Subject: Re: 'buys all the B5' Wade sez: > > Well, Chris Franke was going to release that and some > > Michael Hoenig stuff until he started running out of > > money... Guess we're stuck with 'The Vertical Rotating Horizon' ;-) > > Paul replies: > > > I know Sonic Images were having trouble but you`d think that > > 'StreetHawk'would have been a pretty good seller overall ? > > So should we organize a campaign to collect enough money for Sonic Images > to > release Streethawk? Or maybe if everyone on the list buys all the B5 > episodics ;-) > > James Or maybe if everyone on the list buys Mark Shreeve's 'Nocturne' ;-) Dave Kaufman Horizon Music, Inc. www.hmnetwork.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'gyedid01' Date: Thu Jul 4, 2002 8:46 pm Subject: (OT) Re: re fohn--defined? --- In tadream@y..., peter.stoeferle@t... wrote: > Fohn (Foehn) is caused by huge air volumes pressed over the Alps from northern > Italia to southern Germany. The air gets warm when falling down on the north > side of the mountains from 2000 or 3000 meters to 500 or 700 meters. This may > cause spring days in mid-winter in certain areas. This year they had 21 or 22 > degrees (Celsius) one day between the Danube river and the Alps where usually it > should have below zero. Hm, that sounds awfully similar to what folks in Western Canada who live around the Rockies would call a 'chinook'--but they generally love them when they happen... Gabe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34693 Re: (OT) Re: re fohn--defined? PENFOLD Thu 7/4/2002 3 KB From: PENFOLD Date: Thu Jul 4, 2002 10:05 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] (OT) Re: re fohn--defined? At 02.07.04-20:46, gyedid01 wrote: >--- In tadream@y..., peter.stoeferle@t... wrote: > > > Fohn (Foehn) is caused by huge air volumes pressed over the Alps >from northern Italia to southern Germany. The air gets warm when falling >down on >the north side of the mountains from 2000 or 3000 meters to 500 or 700 >meters >Hm, that sounds awfully similar to what folks in Western Canada who live >around the Rockies would call a 'chinook' Or what we in the LA area call the 'Santa Ana's' and we hate it when it happens '.....Santa Ana's comin' hot from the North' - Randy Newman 'I Love LA' Pete Isaacson aka °º¤ø,¸DJ DreamHead¸,ø¤º° mailto:penfold@a...?subject=DJDreamHead http://www.anet.net/~penfold/)^(djdreamhead.html Yahoo Chat: penfold235 ····· AIM: PENFOLD235 1984, Saw 'The Keep' LP at Tower Records, actually held it, didn't have the $$.....Damn!!!!! 'Absence of the KEEP LP is not evidence of its non-existence.' - Steven Feldman Watch the Coasters Grow! at: http://www.anet.net/~penfold/coastergarden.html From: 'vic rek' Date: Fri Jul 5, 2002 12:03 am Subject: Balloons at Berlin If you want to get a perspective of the pre-concert festivities at the Berlin Tangerine Dream concert, please click on these links to see a few photos: http://akorn.net/~tangerinedream/Balloon1.jpg http://akorn.net/~tangerinedream/Balloon2.jpg Enjoy! From: Marion Horrod Date: Fri Jul 5, 2002 10:27 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1402 Liondream wrote <<...and for the ones with the SUPER tech savvy fans... >> LOL! LnH Marion From: 'Owens, James' Date: Fri Jul 5, 2002 2:58 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] (OT) Re: re fohn--defined? I rather liked the Santa Ana's when I lived in Long Beach. Of course I was right on the water, so it got down to the mid-60's (Fahrenheit) as soon as the sun went down. Of course the well-above-100 days weren't great, but I could suddenly see mountains I never knew were there! James (isn't it interesting that Germans don't measure temperatures with the scale created by a famous German scientist? ) -----Original Message----- From: PENFOLD [mailto:penfold@a...] Or what we in the LA area call the 'Santa Ana's' and we hate it when it happens From: 'Matthew Stringer' Date: Fri Jul 5, 2002 3:58 pm Subject: Re: DWT1&2 Tracks (off topic-ish) Looking at the logs on www.dreamconspiracy.co.uk the two tracks I put up there have had 85 hits. Thanks all for your interest. Matthew From: René Brenner Date: Sat Jul 6, 2002 2:24 pm Subject: Elektro Beats fron 20. December 2000 I recently listened to the Elektro Beats broadcast from the 20. December 2000 with this TD poll. They played a quite different version of White Eagle which sounded similar to the official Tatort single but with more strings and choirs in the background. It is NOT the 1997 limited Maxi CD version. If anyone knows more about it let me know. Thanks René Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34699 Re: Elektro Beats fron 20. December 2000 Kees Aerts / Groove Unlimited Sat 7/6/2002 2 KB 34701 Re: Elektro Beats fron 20. December 2000 Wade Gordon Sat 7/6/2002 3 KB 34715 Re: Elektro Beats fron 20. December 2000 Wade Gordon Mon 7/8/2002 3 KB 34716 Re: Elektro Beats fron 20. December 2000 Kees Aerts / Groove Unlimited Mon 7/8/2002 3 KB 34730 Re: Elektro Beats fron 20. December 2000 René Brenner Tue 7/9/2002 3 KB From: Kees Aerts / Groove Unlimited Date: Sat Jul 6, 2002 2:29 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Elektro Beats fron 20. December 2000 At 16:24 6-7-02 +0200, you wrote: >I recently listened to the Elektro Beats broadcast from the 20. December >2000 with this TD poll. They played a quite different version of White Eagle >which sounded similar to the official Tatort single but with more strings and >choirs in the background. It is NOT the 1997 limited Maxi CD version. If >anyone knows more about it let me know. From Tangents? Best regards / Vriendelijke groeten, Kees GROOVE Unlimited (Specializing in Electronic Music) Kees Aerts PO Box 2171 8203 AD Lelystad the Netherlands Tel: +31 (0) 320 219496 ; Fax: +31 (0) 320 218910 http://www.groove.nl Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34701 Re: Elektro Beats fron 20. December 2000 Wade Gordon Sat 7/6/2002 3 KB 34715 Re: Elektro Beats fron 20. December 2000 Wade Gordon Mon 7/8/2002 3 KB 34716 Re: Elektro Beats fron 20. December 2000 Kees Aerts / Groove Unlimited Mon 7/8/2002 3 KB 34730 Re: Elektro Beats fron 20. December 2000 René Brenner Tue 7/9/2002 3 KB From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Sat Jul 6, 2002 5:59 pm Subject: totally off-topic > (isn't it interesting that Germans don't measure temperatures with the scale > created by a famous German scientist? We don't honour our _mad_ scientists as much as others do ;-) ;-) cheers, klaus From: Wade Gordon Date: Sat Jul 6, 2002 8:20 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Elektro Beats fron 20. December 2000 It is the Egar Froese reworked version of White Eagle and not the 12 inch, Album, or the Tartort release. It is the version that is available on one of the recent boxed sets. I just can't think of the name right now. Wade --- Kees Aerts / Groove Unlimited wrote: > At 16:24 6-7-02 +0200, you wrote: > >I recently listened to the Elektro Beats broadcast > from the 20. December > >2000 with this TD poll. They played a quite > different version of White Eagle > >which sounded similar to the official Tatort single > but with more strings and > >choirs in the background. It is NOT the 1997 > limited Maxi CD version. If > >anyone knows more about it let me know. > > From Tangents? > > > Best regards / Vriendelijke groeten, > > Kees > > GROOVE Unlimited (Specializing in Electronic Music) > Kees Aerts > PO Box 2171 > 8203 AD Lelystad > the Netherlands > Tel: +31 (0) 320 219496 ; Fax: +31 (0) 320 218910 > http://www.groove.nl > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From: Volkmar Friauf Date: Sat Jul 6, 2002 8:57 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] (OT) Re: re fohn--defined? At 16:58 05.07.2002, 'Owens, James' wrote: >(isn't it interesting that Germans don't measure temperatures with the scale >created by a famous German scientist? ) Well, most Germany don't listen to the music of a particular German band, nor even know that it is from German origin... Volkmar From: thesmitter@j... Date: Mon Jul 8, 2002 1:58 am Subject: Off topic - Richard Vimal Hi, Sorry for the off topic question, but has anyone ever heard any music from Richard Vimal (late '70s early '80s)? If so, what's your opinion? I just heard his name for the first time. Thanks, Larry ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34704 Re: Off topic - Richard Vimal Synthhtnys@a... Sun 7/7/2002 2 KB 34761 Re: Off topic - Richard Vimal Michael A Jean Wed 7/10/2002 3 KB From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Sun Jul 7, 2002 7:18 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Off topic - Richard Vimal In a message dated 7/7/2002 2:00:46 PM Central Daylight Time, thesmitter@j... writes: > Hi, > > Sorry for the off topic question, but has anyone ever heard any music from > Richard Vimal (late '70s early '80s)? If so, what's your opinion? I just > heard his name for the first time. > > Thanks, > Larry > A friend just played the reissue CD for me and I for one am impressed. Classy and melodic... He's French and there's a bit of Jarre there, but he most certainly has his own voice... more classical leanings, maybe... no drum machines. I can say the music had instant appeal to me.... not avante garde... very melodic and harmonic... in the best way... Hope this helps Paul Ellis [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Conrad Gibbons' Date: Sun Jul 7, 2002 9:53 pm Subject: Tangerine Dream Syndicate's 'III Violins for III Stooges' CD, Import disc on Alchemy Records. Anyone know what this item on auction at ebay is?? :-) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=891929355 Regards from Drizzly Donegal... Conrad Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34707 Re: Tangerine Dream Syndicate's 'III Violins for Robert Grabowsky Sun 7/7/2002 2 KB From: 'Conrad Gibbons' Date: Sun Jul 7, 2002 9:55 pm Subject: The Keep on Laserdisc Hi everyone, I am looking for 'The Keep' on Laserdisc. If anyone has one available for sale or trade please e-mail me off-list. Thanks, Conrad From: Robert Grabowsky Date: Sun Jul 7, 2002 10:41 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Dream Syndicate's 'III Violins for III Stooges' CD, Import disc on Alchemy Records. Looks like someone could not come up with an 'original' name for their group and just added 'Syndicate' to a great name. Pretty pathetic in my opinion. THE HIGHLANDER At 10:53 PM 7/7/02 +0100, you wrote: > >Anyone know what this item on auction at ebay is?? :-) >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=891929355 > >Regards from Drizzly Donegal... > >Conrad From: 'vic rek' Date: Mon Jul 8, 2002 4:28 am Subject: Wade Gordon's Radio Show I highly recommend listening to Wade Gordon's radio show. Wade plays some great non-mainstream EM, which includes the music we listen to.. Check it out! If you want to know more, go to http://www.ricochetdream.com/radio.html Have a great week! Vic From: 'John Vertical' Date: Mon Jul 8, 2002 8:46 am Subject: A Patchwork Post I just came back from a two-week holiday trip, and read through those 300+ messages you've left.. 1. I bought Oasis. I like it. Especially Waterborne. The first section sounds somewhat similar to Straits of Noon (ie: my name for TT#6 track 2. BTW, I suggest 'Concave Streams' for TT#2), and the themes are great, though somewhat short. Other highlights would be Flashflood, Cedar Breaks and Summer Storm. Reflections is IMHO the weakest piece, it reminds me of Twin Soul Tribe which is unremarkable, too. The rest are average. But what do some of the titles mean? Zion? Hopi Mesa Heart? Chia Maroon? Hopi is an Indian tribe I think - about the rest of the words I have no idea. 2. Someone asked if Soundmill Navigator is worth buying. Well, if you have TT#8, you already have most of it. But, am I the only one who likes Edgar's additions? The intro section is warmer, perhaps even too sweet if you don't like that kind of stuff. The sequence section hasn't been treated as much; there're just a few occasional keyboard additions to more idler points and some organ-burst-like (as in 2nd-to-last section of Livemiles part 1; check out the RealAudio excerpt on the official discography) sounds & some 'large' bass moanings (and perhaps some others?) added near the end. The outro has a longer, shadowy flute section which is great; then comes back the beginning keyboard theme, which plays as a solo for five minutes. Sort of like as in Quitzotte part 2... but rather boring. If you don't have TT#8, then... The main interest here is the hypnotic, long-scale sequencing. It's sorta like Cherokee Lane (in the beginning), and Rubycon part 1 - but twice as long. Lead melody is slow, but rather nice. It gets gradually more complex and climaxes after some fifteen minutes of creative noodling. This album is very smooth, and I'd suggest you at least consider it. If you absolutely hate additions, leave it - but othervise it could be a good idea to give it a try. 3. Gee, I thought I just hadn't had enough information about what is Berlin School exactly, didn't guess you don't know for sure either. Is a German nationality required, i.e. what about the early works of Vangelis or Jarre? 4. There's one thing that must be corrected about the Föhn thing. The wind is not warm simply because it warms up when coming down from the mountains; wouldn't it have cooled down at least equally when going up? The trick is: the air going up is rather wet, and cooling causes it to rain. But the condensation of the gaseous water in the air, creates heat. This extra heat is what causes the wind to be warm (and dry) when it reaches the other side. I knew that chinook is a similar phenomenon, but 'santa ana' is a new name for me. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34710 Re: A Patchwork Post Jens Kilian Mon 7/8/2002 4 KB From: Jens Kilian Date: Mon Jul 8, 2002 12:38 pm Subject: Re: A Patchwork Post > Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 13:50:25 EST > From: 'John Vertical' > > I just came back from a two-week holiday trip, and read through those 300+ > messages you've left.. > > 1. > I bought Oasis. I like it. Especially Waterborne. The first section sounds > somewhat similar to Straits of Noon (ie: my name for TT#6 track 2. BTW, I > suggest 'Concave Streams' for TT#2), and the themes are great, though > somewhat short. Other highlights would be Flashflood, Cedar Breaks and > Summer Storm. Reflections is IMHO the weakest piece, it reminds me of Twin > Soul Tribe which is unremarkable, too. The rest are average. > But what do some of the titles mean? Zion? Hopi Mesa Heart? Chia Maroon? > Hopi is an Indian tribe I think - about the rest of the words I have no > idea. Zion is a US National Park (and the one I like best - I just returned from a vacation in Utah, now I've been to Zion 4 times :-) Cedar Breaks is a National Monument (couldn't go there because of the fscking forest fires :-( ). _Summer Storm_ probably refers to the thunderstorms that occur regularly during the summer 'Monsoon' season on the Colorado plateau. Flash floods are caused when the rain from such a storm collects in normally dry streams, often far from the actual place where it rained. Many titles on _Oasis_ and _Canyon Dreams_ refer to the canyon country, although this may not be obvious if you've never been there (you might not know that a flash flood is something that regularly occurs in narrow canyons, for example). For more information see, e.g., http://www.americansouthwest.net/ http://www.canyoneeringusa.com/utah/ Bye, Jens 'suffering from withdrawal symptoms already' Kilian. -- mailto:jjk@a... phone:+49-7031-464-7698 (TELNET 778-7698) http://www.bawue.de/~jjk/ fax:+49-7031-464-7351 PGP: 06 04 1C 35 7B DC 1F 26 As the air to a bird, or the sea to a fish, 0x555DA8B5 BB A2 F0 66 77 75 E1 08 so is contempt to the contemptible. [Blake] From: John McIntyre Date: Mon Jul 8, 2002 1:20 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Dream Syndicate's 'III Violins for IIIStooges' CD, Import disc on Alchemy Records. Robert Grabowsky wrote: > Looks like someone could not come up with an 'original' name for their > group and just added 'Syndicate' to a great name. The pun is a little more complicated than that. Back in the early sixties there was a band called the Dream Syndicate comprised of LaMonte Young, John Cale, and Tony Conrad who did things like saw the bridges on cellos flat so they could play chords. Consider it a Wheel of Fortune Before and After puzzle. (-8 John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre@p... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34712 Re: Tangerine Dream Syndicate's 'III Violins for richter_arne Mon 7/8/2002 3 KB From: 'richter_arne' Date: Mon Jul 8, 2002 1:36 pm Subject: Re: Tangerine Dream Syndicate's 'III Violins for IIIStooges' CD, Import disc on Alchemy Records. Well, here is the official description of that album, found on the Aquarius Records Homepage: TANGERINE DREAM SYNDICATE III Violins for III Stooges (Alchemy) cd 19.98 Another in Alchemy's new Inner Mind Music series of spacey delights -- 'Live at Alpha Centauri' it says on the inside. The Tangerine Dream Syndicate wears its influences proudly -- the band is made up of Tommy Conrad (cello, violin), Johnny Conrad (electronics, violin, voice), and DeeDee Conrad (bass, violin, voice). Yes, their names (and the album's title and the band name too) are a bit overt and silly but this is actually some really fine drone improv! Even though they'd like you to imagine that they're Tony Conrad's lost brothers, we suspect that beneath these assumed names you'd find some well- known Japanese underground noisicans. But they are indeed spiritual, musical brothers with the American violinist and his '60s Dream Syndicate colleagues, along with '70s German spacemeisters Tangerine Dream. It's a successful homage that makes for some mighty fine, late night drifting listening. It's just one track, nearly a full hour of high-end string drone, subsonic bass throb, and electronic swoosh. File in the 'quite omnious yet strangely comforting' section of your cd collection. From: Morgan Feldon Date: Mon Jul 8, 2002 3:15 pm Subject: Soundmill >John Vertical writes: > >Someone asked if Soundmill Navigator is worth buying. Well, if you have >TT#8, you already have most of it. But, am I the only one who likes Edgar's >additions? The intro section is warmer, perhaps even too sweet if you don't >like that kind of stuff. ....The outro has a >longer, shadowy flute section which is great; then comes back the beginning >keyboard theme, which plays as a solo for five minutes. Sort of like as in >Quitzotte part 2... but rather boring. Tangerine Tree #8 is the complete 30 1/2 minute concert as played on 1976.06.27 at the Berlin Philharmonic. It's a recording taken from the FM radio broadcast a few weeks (months?) later. It's a piece of TD history. Soundmill Navigator adds an additional 11 minutes of ambience, half at the front, half at the back, plus various overdubs all through the music. I've said before that I wouldn't mind it terribly if Edgar just did an album similar to this 11 minutes of addition. I find it to be much stronger, compositionally, than Seven Letters. Similarly, I don't mind Edgar's Kamikaze solo montage at the front of the controversial 'Perth' disc on I-Box. I wish Edgar would stop mixing and matching concerts with separate compositions. -Morgan np Planetary Navigator (a professionally remastered version of Soundmill with the annoying tape flaw removed) From: 'Owens, James' Date: Mon Jul 8, 2002 3:45 pm Subject: Zion (was RE:A Patchwork Post) Just FYI: What makes Zion such a spectacular place I've only been to Zion Canyon once, but it has made a lasting impression. It was the middle of August in the Utah desert. 95+ degrees (measured in the mad Grman scientist scale) and dry as a bone (it's the desert in summer - this is what you expect). Anyway, we started a short hike into the canyon. It wasn't long before I started to notice the humidity rising, and the temperature dropping. Well into the canyon, I'd say the temperature had dropped to about 80, and humidity was pretty high. The scenery had really changed too. If you were to look around, you'd think we were in a rain forest on a tropical island somewhere. There were all sorts of plants and mosses growing on the canyon walls. The ground was almost swamp-like, with frogs and moss and vines all around. The creek/river that runs through the canyon is only about waist high most of the way. We met some people who were wading down the river from the upper end of the canyon (there's no trail on that side IIRC). It is just absolutely amazing to go from desert to tropical in less than a mile. A truly spectacular freak of nature, hence the name Zion (from the Bible - the mountain of God). I can see why this inspired TD to compose music about it. James -----Original Message----- From: Jens Kilian [mailto:Jens_Kilian@a...] Zion is a US National Park (and the one I like best - I just returned from a vacation in Utah, now I've been to Zion 4 times :-) From: Wade Gordon Date: Mon Jul 8, 2002 7:07 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Elektro Beats fron 20. December 2000 Kees, I've just researched the answera to your question regarding the song 'White Eagle' from the Elektro Beats TD poll from 12-20-2000. The song 'White Eagle' was from the 'Tangents' box set. The song is from Disc 2, Track 1. The song was rerecorded by Edgar Froese and it is on the Virgin Records, Ltd. label released in 1994. I hope this answers your question. Best regards, Wade Gordon --- Kees Aerts / Groove Unlimited wrote: > At 16:24 6-7-02 +0200, you wrote: > >I recently listened to the Elektro Beats broadcast > from the 20. December > >2000 with this TD poll. They played a quite > different version of White Eagle > >which sounded similar to the official Tatort single > but with more strings and > >choirs in the background. It is NOT the 1997 > limited Maxi CD version. If > >anyone knows more about it let me know. > > From Tangents? > > > Best regards / Vriendelijke groeten, > > Kees > > GROOVE Unlimited (Specializing in Electronic Music) > Kees Aerts > PO Box 2171 > 8203 AD Lelystad > the Netherlands > Tel: +31 (0) 320 219496 ; Fax: +31 (0) 320 218910 > http://www.groove.nl > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34716 Re: Elektro Beats fron 20. December 2000 Kees Aerts / Groove Unlimited Mon 7/8/2002 3 KB 34730 Re: Elektro Beats fron 20. December 2000 René Brenner Tue 7/9/2002 3 KB From: Kees Aerts / Groove Unlimited Date: Mon Jul 8, 2002 7:34 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Elektro Beats fron 20. December 2000 At 12:07 8-7-02 -0700, you wrote: >Kees, > >I've just researched the answera to your question >regarding the song 'White Eagle' from the Elektro >Beats TD poll from 12-20-2000. The song 'White Eagle' >was from the 'Tangents' box set. The song is from >Disc 2, Track 1. The song was rerecorded by Edgar >Froese and it is on the Virgin Records, Ltd. label >released in 1994. > >I hope this answers your question. Hi Wade, It wasn't my question. It was my answer/suggestion. :-) But whoever asked it is also on the list and will be happy to know this. Best regards / Vriendelijke groeten, Kees GROOVE Unlimited (Specializing in Electronic Music) Kees Aerts PO Box 2171 8203 AD Lelystad the Netherlands Tel: +31 (0) 320 219496 ; Fax: +31 (0) 320 218910 http://www.groove.nl From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Mon Jul 8, 2002 9:04 pm Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #276 [ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #276 July 4, 2002. RECAP: On this show, I started a month-long focus on Robert Carty, who creates ambient and spacemusic from his unique perspective. The Featured CD at midnight was 'Gateway' on the Deep Sky label. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP 'Floating Music' by Robert Schroder on the IC label. Robert Carty http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2002/focus02.html#jul PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Robert Schroder Floating Music Floating Music (IC) Klangwelt Weltweit Weltweit (Spheric) Terra Ambient To the Brink and Back The Darker Space (Space for Music) VA [Vir Unis] The Slow Motion World Portraits (In the Bubble of All Desires Music) VA [romb] Above the Earth 2000 Lost & Found (Foundry/Hypnos) VA [Seofon and Collecting the Spirits Lost & Found (Foundry/Hypnos) vidnaObmana] Vir Unis and Monastery of the The Yellow House (In the Bubble Chris Short South * Music) 12:00 am Robert Carty Opening Gateway (Deep Sky) Robert Carty The Gateway Gateway (Deep Sky) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Robert Carty. The Featured CD at Midnight will be 'Energy' on the Deep Sky label. The vinyl show starter will be from the LP 'Body Love Volume 2' by Klaus Schulze on the Brain label. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. Show Sites: http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm Radio Station Web Sites: http://wdiyfm.org http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34719 Shivers Marko Marin Tue 7/9/2002 3 KB 34720 Re: Shivers Eric Williamson Tue 7/9/2002 3 KB 34745 Re: Shivers PENFOLD Tue 7/9/2002 2 KB 34721 Re: Shivers PERGAMON Tue 7/9/2002 5 KB 34722 Re: Shivers Heiko Heerssen Tue 7/9/2002 3 KB 34728 Re: Shivers TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak Tue 7/9/2002 3 KB 34736 Re: Shivers richter_arne Tue 7/9/2002 3 KB 34723 Re: Shivers Armin Theissen Tue 7/9/2002 5 KB 34726 Re: Shivers mars103nl Tue 7/9/2002 2 KB From: 'Conrad Gibbons' Date: Mon Jul 8, 2002 10:07 pm Subject: Change of address Hello fellow Tang Fans, For those of you who are in contact with me through snail mail, please note my new address: Conrad Gibbons 37 Brookfield Heights Letterkenny Co. Donegal Ireland My old address (37 Beinn Aoibhinn) is now invalid. TD Content Question: Is 'The Soldier' available on Laserdisc? Thanks, Conrad From: Marko Marin Date: Tue Jul 9, 2002 7:23 am Subject: Shivers Out of curiosity... What albums from any composer/band/artist (whatever!) sends shivers down your spine when you hear it? I have few experiences like that... ;-) (Not in any particular order...) Tangerine Dream - Rubycon Part One (When the bass sequence starts...) Tangerine Dream - Force Majeure (Cloudburst Flight...) Christopher Franke - Babylon 5 Vol. 2 (The chorus in Messages from Earth and the main theme in The Voices of Authority...) John Williams - Jurassic Park (The brass fanfare in Journey To The Island...) John Williams - Star Wars Episode 2 (Only couple of short parts here. The 'Trade Federation March' in Bounty Hunter's Pursuit is very short but very thrilling, some parts in Zam the Assasin and The Chase Through Coruscant...) Danny Elfman - Planet Of The Apes (The Hunt. If you've heard it, you know what I'm talking about...) Mike Oldfield - Tubular Bells 3 (The fast energetic start in The Source of Secrets and the even more energetic two-parter finale in Secrets/Far Above The Clouds...) Mike Oldfield - Ommadawn (The whole first part. Especially the finale where the African Drums are! Simply amazing...) Brian Eno - Another Green World (St. Elmo's Fire among other songs in this album...) Ennio Morricone - The Good, The Bad And The Ugly (The main theme, Ecstasy of Gold and The Trio plus many other ALBUMS from the dude...) Hans Zimmer - The Rock (For instance the beginning of the track Hummel Gets The Rockets) Hans Zimmer - The Peacemaker (Devoe's Revenge and the marvellous 17 minute 'suite', The Chase...) Hans Zimmer - The Thin Red Line (Journey To The Line. It just rises and rises...) Vangelis - Albedo 0.39 (The very beginning of Alpha. Great stuff...) Vangelis - Mythodea (Too many parts to list them here! The start of the Movement 4 for instance...) Now it's your turn! Regards, Marko Marin aka TheInfection ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34720 Re: Shivers Eric Williamson Tue 7/9/2002 3 KB 34745 Re: Shivers PENFOLD Tue 7/9/2002 2 KB 34721 Re: Shivers PERGAMON Tue 7/9/2002 5 KB 34722 Re: Shivers Heiko Heerssen Tue 7/9/2002 3 KB 34728 Re: Shivers TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak Tue 7/9/2002 3 KB 34736 Re: Shivers richter_arne Tue 7/9/2002 3 KB 34723 Re: Shivers Armin Theissen Tue 7/9/2002 5 KB 34726 Re: Shivers mars103nl Tue 7/9/2002 2 KB 34738 Re: Shivers Dan Downey Tue 7/9/2002 3 KB From: Eric Williamson Date: Tue Jul 9, 2002 7:47 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Shivers as much as i love TD and all their berlin-school chronies ... i can only contribute three, none of them by my beloved klaus or franke: King Crimson: 'Starless' from Red - only if i listen to it all the way through, and only near the end when there's that huge mellotron chord movement over the pedal point in the bass guitar. David Sylvian: 'Wave' from Damage (live album with Fripp and Michael Brook) - Fripp's GR-300 solo in the middle, right after the fifth-harmonised chapman stick line. the rest of the song makes me feel pretty good too. John Williams: 'The Force' from the Star Wars score - that part when Luke is standing looking over the Tatooine desert. that's some beautiful music right there. (btw, i have a dub reggae cover of that for download at my website. as performed by my organ trio) Vangelis: 'Blush Response' from the Blade Runner score - why doesn't he make music this good anymore? J.S. Bach: Passacaglia & Fugue in C Minor - either performed by Virgil Fox or the Robert Fripp String Quintet. probably my favourite piece of music by my favourite composer. Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34745 Re: Shivers PENFOLD Tue 7/9/2002 2 KB From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Tue Jul 9, 2002 7:45 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Shivers I agree on several of yours choices...........and wants to add.............. Hans Zimmer - Gladiator. Lisa Gerrards voice on ''Sorrow' Enya - The memories of trees. 'La Sonadora' Enya - Watermarks. 'Cursum Perficio' Tangerine Dream - White Eagle. 'White Eagle' Tangerine Dream - Stratosfear. 'Invisible Limits', when that solo kicks in at 5.20..... Regards Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Marko Marin' To: Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 9:23 AM Subject: [tadream] Shivers > Out of curiosity... What albums from any > composer/band/artist (whatever!) sends shivers down > your spine when you hear it? I have few experiences > like that... ;-) > > (Not in any particular order...) > > Tangerine Dream - Rubycon Part One (When the bass > sequence starts...) > > Tangerine Dream - Force Majeure (Cloudburst Flight...) > > Christopher Franke - Babylon 5 Vol. 2 (The chorus in > Messages from Earth and the main theme in The Voices > of Authority...) > > John Williams - Jurassic Park (The brass fanfare in > Journey To The Island...) > > John Williams - Star Wars Episode 2 (Only couple of > short parts here. The 'Trade Federation March' in > Bounty Hunter's Pursuit is very short but very > thrilling, some parts in Zam the Assasin and The Chase > Through Coruscant...) > > Danny Elfman - Planet Of The Apes (The Hunt. If you've > heard it, you know what I'm talking about...) > > Mike Oldfield - Tubular Bells 3 (The fast energetic > start in The Source of Secrets and the even more > energetic two-parter finale in Secrets/Far Above The > Clouds...) > > Mike Oldfield - Ommadawn (The whole first part. > Especially the finale where the African Drums are! > Simply amazing...) > > Brian Eno - Another Green World (St. Elmo's Fire among > other songs in this album...) > > Ennio Morricone - The Good, The Bad And The Ugly (The > main theme, Ecstasy of Gold and The Trio plus many > other ALBUMS from the dude...) > > Hans Zimmer - The Rock (For instance the beginning of > the track Hummel Gets The Rockets) > > Hans Zimmer - The Peacemaker (Devoe's Revenge and the > marvellous 17 minute 'suite', The Chase...) > > Hans Zimmer - The Thin Red Line (Journey To The Line. > It just rises and rises...) > > Vangelis - Albedo 0.39 (The very beginning of Alpha. > Great stuff...) > > Vangelis - Mythodea (Too many parts to list them here! > The start of the Movement 4 for instance...) > > Now it's your turn! > > Regards, > Marko Marin > aka TheInfection > > > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Sign up for SBC Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Tue Jul 9, 2002 8:19 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Shivers Popol Vuh - Vuh (1972) Popol Vuh - In den Gärten Pharaos (1972) Tangerine Dream - Phaedra (title track, the mellotron part) Tangerine Dream - Nottingham Albert Hall 08 Nov. 1976 first track (Tangerine Tree Vol.1) Tangerine Dream - Ricochet Part Two Captain Beefheart - Electricity (from 'Safe as milk', 1966) Comsat Angels - Sleep no more (title track from 1981 LP) Klaus Schulze - Crystal lake (from 'Mirage', 1977) Pere Ubu - Non-alignment pact (from 'The Modern Dance', 1977) Tim Buckley - Love from Room 109 at The Islander (from 'Happy/Sad', 1968) MX-80 Sound - Cover to cover (from 'Crowd control', 1981) The Residents - Festival of death (last 3-4 minutes) (from 'Eskimo', 1979) regards Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34728 Re: Shivers TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak Tue 7/9/2002 3 KB 34736 Re: Shivers richter_arne Tue 7/9/2002 3 KB From: Armin Theissen Date: Tue Jul 9, 2002 8:26 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Shivers Isao Tomita's version of the Planets, in 'Jupiter, bringer of jollity', the part after the kind of 'space-ship - ground control chatter' when the string melody sets in, and the break with mellotron (I guess) choir... armin Marko Marin wrote: > Out of curiosity... What albums from any > composer/band/artist (whatever!) sends shivers down > your spine when you hear it? I have few experiences > like that... ;-) > > (Not in any particular order...) > > Tangerine Dream - Rubycon Part One (When the bass > sequence starts...) > > Tangerine Dream - Force Majeure (Cloudburst Flight...) > > Christopher Franke - Babylon 5 Vol. 2 (The chorus in > Messages from Earth and the main theme in The Voices > of Authority...) > > John Williams - Jurassic Park (The brass fanfare in > Journey To The Island...) > > John Williams - Star Wars Episode 2 (Only couple of > short parts here. The 'Trade Federation March' in > Bounty Hunter's Pursuit is very short but very > thrilling, some parts in Zam the Assasin and The Chase > Through Coruscant...) > > Danny Elfman - Planet Of The Apes (The Hunt. If you've > heard it, you know what I'm talking about...) > > Mike Oldfield - Tubular Bells 3 (The fast energetic > start in The Source of Secrets and the even more > energetic two-parter finale in Secrets/Far Above The > Clouds...) > > Mike Oldfield - Ommadawn (The whole first part. > Especially the finale where the African Drums are! > Simply amazing...) > > Brian Eno - Another Green World (St. Elmo's Fire among > other songs in this album...) > > Ennio Morricone - The Good, The Bad And The Ugly (The > main theme, Ecstasy of Gold and The Trio plus many > other ALBUMS from the dude...) > > Hans Zimmer - The Rock (For instance the beginning of > the track Hummel Gets The Rockets) > > Hans Zimmer - The Peacemaker (Devoe's Revenge and the > marvellous 17 minute 'suite', The Chase...) > > Hans Zimmer - The Thin Red Line (Journey To The Line. > It just rises and rises...) > > Vangelis - Albedo 0.39 (The very beginning of Alpha. > Great stuff...) > > Vangelis - Mythodea (Too many parts to list them here! > The start of the Movement 4 for instance...) > > Now it's your turn! > > Regards, > Marko Marin > aka TheInfection > > > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Sign up for SBC Yahoo! 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Chambers Tue 7/9/2002 2 KB From: Marion Horrod Date: Tue Jul 9, 2002 8:48 am Subject: Pedants corner #396 John Vertical asked <> Well, John, I hope this helps, but it's all a bit indefinite.... Zion (or Sion) has various meanings, according to my dictionary: 1) the hill on which the city of Jerusalem stands 2) in Judaism, the ancient Israelites of the Bible _or_ the modern Jewish nation _or_ Israel as the national home of the Jewish people - hence the term 'Zionist'. 3) in Christianity, heaven regarded as the city of God and the final home of his elect (this is the way I would be most likely to use it) 4) any form of social organisation, way of life, or life after death regarded as an ultimate goal (it's used this way by the character Tank in the film 'The Matrix') 5) a religious community, or its site, regarded as chosen by God and under His special protection, or an ideal theocratic community, especially any of the Christian churches regarded as such a community (I think it was used a lot this way in the times of the various Puritan sects who set up isolated communities in America) It also has a particular meaning for Rastafarians - I think it falls somewhere around definition 4 above, but I'm not a Rastafarian so I wouldn't like to be too definite. You'll find it turning up often in the songs of Bob Marley, for example. There's also a place called Sion in the Alps, about 50k from the Matterhorn Hopi - you're right here, it's a Native American people found around Arizona. I believe they're not like our conventional view of Native Americans culled from a century of 'Cowboys and Indians' films, more akin to the ancient Aztecs. Mesa is a geographical term used to describe a flat topped, steep sided, pinnacle of rock - you see them in all the best cowboy films. Actually it doesn't have to be a pinnacle, it can just be steep sided table land, but the former is the sense in which its most widely used. The Hopi build their homes in and on mesas, and I think their sacred places are underground. So I guess Hopi Mesa heart is the heart of a mesa inhabited by the Hopi people - i.e. a Native American sacred place. Chia I can't offer much help with - the word isn't familiar to me, and it doesn't appear in my dictionaries or encyclopaedia, and I can't find it in Google. Maybe it's not English. The nearest I can think of is Chian, a native of one of the Aegean islands, or cha, a slang word for tea, but neither of these fit with maroon. Maroon has various meanings again. 1) it's a colour: a dark purplish red. 2) It can be an exploding firework, usually in the context of signal rockets (e.g. used to signal the start of a boat race, or as a distress signal). 3) To maroon someone is to abandon them, usually on a desert island, but it can just mean to isolate them without resources. 4) Related to that, it is used to describe one of the peoples living in the remoter area of the West Indies and Guyana, the descendants of runaway slaves. In this context, it is derived from the American Spanish word 'cimarron', meaning wild (literally 'living on the peaks', from the Spanish word 'cima', meaning summit. Maybe Chia Maroon is a form of Cimarron in a language other than English? With a big leap of the imagination, you could say that they all have connections with spirituality, mountains and / or the Americas. This seems to tie in with some of the other track names. I hope this helps, but I think the best we can say is that we're not much wiser, but at least we're better informed! LnH Marion Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34733 Re: Pedants corner #396 Gustavo Jobim Tue 7/9/2002 2 KB 34737 Re: Pedants corner #396 Dan Downey Tue 7/9/2002 3 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Tue Jul 9, 2002 9:25 am Subject: Questions questions questions > I hope this helps, but I think the best we can say is that we're not much > wiser, but at least we're better informed! I think it's high time for another online chat with 'the Froeses', since they know most of the answers to our questions (like the true meaning of a specific track title) !. Also, I have a truckload full of questions about possible future releases, concerts, unreleased recordings etc. which I fear will remain unanswered. But since Martin, our esteemed TDI manager, is on this mailing list it may be a good idea to ask him for advice about the possibility of some sort of online chat, or a Q&A forum on the TD website?! :-) Heiko From: 'mars103nl' Date: Tue Jul 9, 2002 9:18 am Subject: Re: Shivers --- In tadream@y..., Armin Theissen wrote: > > Isao Tomita's version of the Planets, in 'Jupiter, > bringer of jollity', the part after the kind of > 'space-ship - ground control chatter' when the > string melody sets in, and the break with > mellotron (I guess) choir... Ah yes thats a great part. In fact I like the whole CD. He used custom sets for his mellotron...maybe nobody notice it but the choir goes from male to female in the same set. How I wish that all the Tomita CDs would be re-released as multi-channel DVD (or SACD...I would buy a player for it). I believe the recordings are surround already. Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34738 Re: Shivers Dan Downey Tue 7/9/2002 3 KB 34741 Re: Shivers C. Chambers Tue 7/9/2002 2 KB From: Armin Theissen Date: Tue Jul 9, 2002 9:27 am Subject: OT Tomita (was: Re: [tadream] Re: Shivers) yes, Tomita did great stuff, and had a great sense of humour (i.e. the StarWars Theme ;-) ) Besides 'Planets' I love very much 'Pictures at an Exhibition' and 'The Bermuda Triangle' He's the master on the Moog. Ok, and Walter/Wendy Carlos... a. > > Ah yes thats a great part. > In fact I like the whole CD. > He used custom sets for his mellotron...maybe nobody > notice it but the choir goes from male to female in > the same set. > How I wish that all the Tomita CDs would be re-released > as multi-channel DVD (or SACD...I would buy a player for it). > I believe the recordings are surround already. > > Marcel > http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels > mengels@w... > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak Date: Tue Jul 9, 2002 9:47 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Shivers OK... here´s a few of mine that give me shivers all the time, just for fun ;-): - Comsat Angels - Gone - Psychedelic Furs - No Easy Street - Depeche Mode - Black Celebration - All About Eve - Drowning - The Church - Radiance (esp. the chorus) - Peter Murphy - Marlene Dietrich´s Favorite Poem - David Bowie - Ashes to Ashes - Saviour Machine - Love Never Dies - Genesis - Suppertime - King Crimson - Epitaph - Queensryche - Silent Lucidity - Pink Floyd - Astronomy Domine - Tones on Tail - Christian Says - Gitane DeMone - Lose this Gravity - The Marionettes - Play Dead to name but a few... :-) Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: www.tdimusic.com Have a nice day! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34736 Re: Shivers richter_arne Tue 7/9/2002 3 KB From: 'convention24' Date: Tue Jul 9, 2002 10:11 am Subject: Shivers 1,Tangerine Dream-Royal Albert Hall 2,4,1975 wooooowwwwww Awesome 2, Tangerine Dream-Poland concert Incredible 3,Pink Floyd-Echoes from MEDDLE 4,Steely Dan AJA-Fantastic album 5,Ozric Tentacles-Erpland 6,Led Zeppelin-In The Light-Physical Graffitti 7,Jon and Vangelis-I hear you now(Sublime) 8,Tangerine Dream Afternoon In The Desert/Love Fantasy from Flashpoint IM gonna have this in my Funeral. 9,Chuck Van Zyl-The Moment Of Totality from Celestial Mechanics 10,Yes-The Gates Of Delirium from Relayer.Their best ever,Moraz did a super job. Theres many more that give me the Shivers,but these came to mind. An Arist who is making some great EM music now is OTARION.Check out his new CD Creator,superb stuff. Best regards Colin. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34734 Re: Shivers Gustavo Jobim Tue 7/9/2002 4 KB From: René Brenner Date: Tue Jul 9, 2002 10:34 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Elektro Beats fron 20. December 2000 On Mon, Jul 08, 2002 at 12:07:01 -0700, Wade Gordon wrote: > Kees, > > I've just researched the answera to your question > regarding the song 'White Eagle' from the Elektro > Beats TD poll from 12-20-2000. The song 'White Eagle' > was from the 'Tangents' box set. The song is from > Disc 2, Track 1. The song was rerecorded by Edgar > Froese and it is on the Virgin Records, Ltd. label > released in 1994. > > I hope this answers your question. Hi Wade It was me who asked the question. Thanks for your 'research' for that TD song and I know where to spend the money next time. Greetings Rene From: 'John Vertical' Date: Tue Jul 9, 2002 11:37 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Shivers Okayy, here comes a rather long list of TD pieces... Plenty of these require a specific mood, but all can be re-experienced. 1. Alpha Centauri (outro) 2. Birth of Liquid Plejades (when the first synth lines enter around 4 mins) 3. Atem (the last 5 minutes) 4. Rubycon Part I (from about 12'00' to 13'30') 5. Ricochet Part II (in general) 6. Soundmill Navigator / Birth of a Black Hole (the sequencers' fadeout) 7. Scale Deluxe (in general) 8. Indolent Annihilation (outro) 9. Cherokee Lane (around 8-9 and 13-14 mins) 10. Madrigal Meridian (outro) 11. Cloudburst Flight (guitar climax) 12. Through Metamorphic Rocks (main sequence beginning) 13. Quichotte Part 1 (flute section) 14. Tangram Set 1 (glitters around 4 mins) 15. Kiew Mission (climax) 16. Remote Viewing (outro) 17. Logos ('blue part' ending) 18. Mojave Plan (mid-screech) 19. White Eagle (outro) 20. Horizon (the section from 6 mins onward & last two minutes) 21. Valley of the Sun 22. Song Of The Whale Part II (guitarsolo) 23. Livemiles (Albuquerque Concert) (bridge into 'San Buena Ventura') 24. Livemiles (West Berlin Concert) (Dolphin Dance in general) John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34798 Re: Shivers Marko Marin Fri 7/12/2002 3 KB 34807 Re: Shivers omegatransfinito Fri 7/12/2002 3 KB 36442 Zimmer & Franke/Off-topic: Zimmer Marko Marin rubyconist Wed 10/2/2002 2 KB 36443 Re: Zimmer & Franke/Off-topic: Zimmer Synthhtnys@a... Wed 10/2/2002 2 KB 36458 Re: Zimmer & Franke Marko Marin rubyconist Thu 10/3/2002 2 KB 36481 Artwork for the next tree Marko Marin rubyconist Fri 10/4/2002 2 KB From: 'Alexander Grushetsky' Date: Tue Jul 9, 2002 12:07 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Shivers Mike Oldfield - Ommadawn (specially the ends of both parts) Mike Oldfield - Discovery - The Lake (the end of song) Mike Oldfield - Amarok (some moments) Mike Oldfield - Tubular Bells II - The Bell Mike Oldfield - Tubular Bells III - Far Above The Clouds Tangerine Dream - Force Majeure - Force Majeure & Cloudburst Flight Tangerine Dream - Tangram - Set I And many other moments from their albums Some traditional prog/neo-prog/progmetal groups: Arena - Songs From The Lion Cage - Solomon Arena - The Visitor (specially Hanging Tree) Dream Theater - Scenes From A Memory (most of album, specially Home and Finally Free) Marillion - Misplaced Childhood (the whole album) Marillion - Brave (some moments) Maybe I'll remember something else Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34740 Re: Shivers C. Chambers Tue 7/9/2002 4 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Tue Jul 9, 2002 12:24 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Pedants corner #396 >Mesa is a geographical term used to describe a flat topped, steep sided, >pinnacle of rock (...) it can just be steep sided table land (...) And the Portuguese/Spanish word for 'table' is actually 'mesa', so there you go. Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Tue Jul 9, 2002 12:51 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Shivers Shivers? hah!, these can make me cry sometimes (a few of them, always): TD - Poland Poland Extracts and White Eagle were the first TD albums I bought, so they're very special for me. TD - Invisible Limits, Force Majeure third section (beginning at 6:48), Pergamon piano intro, Thru Metamorphic Rocks Invisible Limits is just a perfect track; that sequence in Majeure and the melody just make me jump around when listening to them. And Pergamon was the first TD music I actually heard, 2-3 weeks before Poland. Oh, that Tangram theme... and TMR with its malfunctioning equipment was what made me curious tu buy Majeure. Its intro is classic shiver. 'what the hell is that', I said to myself when listening the 1st time. Mike Oldfield - Ommadawn All of part 1, and the final song. I rarely don't cry with those. Absoulte heaven. Oldfield - Amarok, Hergest Ridge several times throughout Amarok, and specially the end of HR part 1. the same happens. Edgard Varèse - Nocturnal I believe some of you here have heard of that other Eddie... he was one of those electronic pioneers; some really interesting stories about him. I bought recently a double CD with all his complete works, and a nice, thick booklet. This orchestral piece, Nocturnal, now this is a case of serious shiver. It's amazing how he managed in a quite simple way to create some REALLY dark vocal passages here. I couldn't stand listening to this the other day, late at night, dark bedroom. You should try to find this one. TD - Alpha Centauri The closing vocal passage scared the hell out of me the first time I heard it. It was like 3am, and I was playing it for the first time, all dark, and after some 18 minutes of oooohs,aaaaaahs, and sinister sounds, everything gets suddenly lower and this ghostly voice begins saying 'der geist...'. I instantaneously threw the earphones away (fast heartbeat) and couldn't listen anymore for a long time. 'hell of crazy music!' I said. Alpha Centauri is my favourite pink years album. Some other music that makes me jump: Ravi Shankar/Philip Glass - Passages specially the amazing Meetings Along the Edge. Philip Glass - Music in 12 parts, part 2 If I could jump during its 19 minutes I would. Jarre - Magnetic Fields part 2 live in China my number 1 Jarre track. Oldfield - Tubular Bells 3 Top of the Morning, and the very excellent ending Far Above the Clouds. TD - Cloudburst Flight Do I need to say Majeure is my favourite TD album? Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... From: Armin Theissen Date: Tue Jul 9, 2002 1:02 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Shivers Gustavo Jobim wrote: > Edgard Varèse - Nocturnal > I believe some of you here have heard of that other Eddie... he was one of those electronic pioneers; some really interesting stories about him. I bought recently a double CD with all his complete works, and a nice, thick booklet. This orchestral piece, Nocturnal, now this is a case of serious shiver. It's amazing how he managed in a quite simple way to create some REALLY dark vocal passages here. I couldn't stand listening to this the other day, late at night, dark bedroom. You should try to find this one. > his percussion stuff is a revelation! ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen From: 'richter_arne' Date: Tue Jul 9, 2002 2:10 pm Subject: Re: Shivers --- In tadream@y..., TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak wrote: > OK... here´s a few of mine that give me shivers all the time, just for fun > ;-): > > - Comsat Angels - Gone > to name but a few... :-) Please name us more! I know about half of these songs and they are truly, truly great. Makes me want to rush out and get to know the other half to see what I have been missing. Here are a few of mines that come to mind: This Mortal Coil - Song To The Siren & Fyt - It'll End In Tears Nouvelles Polyphonies Corses & Hector Zazou - Onda - Self-Titled The Cure - Cold - Pornography Fleetwood Mac - Oh Well (Part 2) - Then Play On Simple Minds - East At Easter - Sparkle In The Rain Dead Can Dance - Xavier - Within The Realm Of A Dying Sun The Sound - Where The Love Is - All Fall Down John Foxx - The Garden - The Garden and all time ultimate 'Shiver Track': Joy Division - Decades - Closer Arne From: Dan Downey Date: Tue Jul 9, 2002 2:13 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Pedants corner #396 > > Hopi - you're right here, it's a Native American > people found around > Arizona. I believe they're not like our conventional > view of Native > Americans culled from a century of 'Cowboys and > Indians' films, more akin > to the ancient Aztecs. > > Mesa is a geographical term used to describe a flat > topped, steep sided, > pinnacle of rock - you see them in all the best > cowboy films. Actually it > doesn't have to be a pinnacle, it can just be steep > sided table land, but > the former is the sense in which its most widely > used. > > The Hopi build their homes in and on mesas, and I > think their sacred places > are underground. So I guess Hopi Mesa heart is the > heart of a mesa > inhabited by the Hopi people - i.e. a Native > American sacred place. A few simple notes to add here - The Hopi live in Pueblo style buildings clustered together with a central plaza. The people are assoicaited with certain clan associations (Bear clan, Badger clan, etc.) and each has it's own ceremonial Kiva, a large underground circular room. Their traditions are similar to some of the Zuni groups and both seem to have some form of linkage to the long gone Anasazi who built the impressive cliff dwellings in some of the most inhospitable land on the planet. The Hopi Mesa is part of the Black Mesa in NE Arizon and much of it is a joint use area with the Navajo, a very different culture who's traditional houseing, the hogan, is a log building with a sod roof sprouting grass. This is all a bit oversimplified but there is much literature on the Hopi, Frank Water's Book of the Hopi is a classic and well worth reading. ===== DanD - aka DJAmbient www.ambientissue.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From: Dan Downey Date: Tue Jul 9, 2002 2:18 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Shivers OK, going on a tangent here. I've been wracking my brain to try and remember another recording of Holst's Planets by a prog band sometime in the 80s. I thought for a while it might have been Clearlight but I cann't find any trace of a Planets recording by them. Anyone have any ideas who this might have been? I'd love to hear it again. DanD --- mars103nl wrote: > --- In tadream@y..., Armin Theissen > wrote: > > > > Isao Tomita's version of the Planets, in 'Jupiter, > > bringer of jollity', the part after the kind of > > 'space-ship - ground control chatter' when the > > string melody sets in, and the break with > > mellotron (I guess) choir... > > Ah yes thats a great part. > In fact I like the whole CD. > He used custom sets for his mellotron...maybe nobody > notice it but the choir goes from male to female in > the same set. > How I wish that all the Tomita CDs would be > re-released > as multi-channel DVD (or SACD...I would buy a player > for it). > I believe the recordings are surround already. > > Marcel > http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels > mengels@w... > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ===== DanD - aka DJAmbient www.ambientissue.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34741 Re: Shivers C. Chambers Tue 7/9/2002 2 KB From: mikael.jussila@p... Date: Tue Jul 9, 2002 2:29 pm Subject: [tadream] re: Shivers >What albums sends shivers down your spine when you hear it? Very few, actually. Maybe I'm bit too analytic, but who cares. Here's my brief list: King Crimson: Starless (Red) - The last minute is pure beauty in the middle of chaos. King Crimson: Fracture (Starless and Bible Black) - The moment when hell breaks loose. Brian Eno: St. Elmo's Fire (Another Green World) - Fripp's magnificent solo. Mike Oldfield: Far Above The Clouds (Tubular Bells III) - 'And nothing was ever heard of him, except for the sound of Tu-bu-lar Bells.' King Crimson: Deception of The Thrush (Heavy KonstruKction) - Fripp meets Eliot. Yup, it seems like Ol' Unca Bob gives me a lot of shivers. *Fornit Some Fornus* MJUSSILA Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34799 Re: Shivers Marko Marin Fri 7/12/2002 2 KB From: 'C. Chambers' Date: Tue Jul 9, 2002 3:07 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Shivers My abbreviated 'shiver' list... 1. Tangerine Dream, Tyger, 'London' 2. Mike Oldfield, Ommadawn, 'Ommadawn pt.1' 3. Ray Lynch, No Blue Thing, 'The True Spirit of Mom and Dad' and 'Clouds Below Your Knees' 4. Klaus Schulze, In Blue, 'The Return of the Tempel' 5. Steve Morse, High Tension Wires, 'Highland Wedding' 6. Dixie Dregs, Dregs of the Earth, 'Hereafter' 7. Porcupine Tree, Stupid Dream, 'Even Less' 8. Dead Can Dance, various, 'The Wind that Shakes the Barley', 'American Dreaming', 'In the Kingdom of the Blind, the One-eyed are Kings', 'How Fortunate the Man with None' ...and about 15 others. 9. Tangerine Dream, Optical Race, 'Sungate' 10. Genesis, Selling England By the Pound, 'Firth of Fifth' 11. Yes, Close to the Edge, 'And You and I' 12. Deep Purple, Purpendicuar, 'Sometimes I Feel Like Screaming' 13. U2, Joshua Tree, 'Where the Streets Have No Name' 14. Marillion, Fugazi, 'Fugazi' 15. Gentle Giant, Octopus, 'Raconteur Troubadour' 16. Hawkwind, Space Bandits, 'Images>Black Elk Speaks>Wings' 17. Focus, Moving Waves, 'Eruption (Tommy)' 18. King Crimson, Red, 'Starless' 19. King Crimson, Three of A Perfect Pair, 'Sleepless' 20. Anthony Phillips, Slow Dance, 'Slowdance Pt. 1 and 2' 21. Allman Brothers Band, The Fillmore Concerts, 'In Memory of Elizabeth Reed' 22. Camel, Moonmadness, 'Spirit of the Water' and 'Lunar Sea' 23. PFM, The World Became the World, 'The World Became the World' 24. Patrick Moraz, Human Interface, 'Light Elements' 25. Micheal Hoenig, Departure From the Northern Wasteland, 'Departure From the Northern Wasteland' 26. Patrick O'Hearn, Eldorado, 'Black Delilah' 27. Peter Hammil, The Silent Corner and the Empty Stage, 'The Lie (Bernini's St. Theresa)' 28. Pink Floyd, Obscurred By Clouds, 'Mudmen' 29. Ashra, Correlations, 'Pas de Trois' 30. Pink Floyd, Animals, 'Pigs (Three Different Ones's)' From: 'C. Chambers' Date: Tue Jul 9, 2002 3:08 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Shivers Emerson Lake and Powell did a killer version of 'Mars: Bringer of War'... > OK, going on a tangent here. I've been wracking my > brain to try and remember another recording of Holst's > Planets by a prog band sometime in the 80s. I thought > for a while it might have been Clearlight but I cann't > find any trace of a Planets recording by them. > Anyone have any ideas who this might have been? I'd > love to hear it again. > > DanD From: 'Matthew Stringer' Date: Tue Jul 9, 2002 3:17 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Shivers Great List!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: 'C. Chambers' To: Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 4:07 PM Subject: RE: [tadream] Shivers > My abbreviated 'shiver' list... > > 1. Tangerine Dream, Tyger, 'London' > 2. Mike Oldfield, Ommadawn, 'Ommadawn pt.1' > 3. Ray Lynch, No Blue Thing, 'The True Spirit of Mom and Dad' and 'Clouds > Below Your Knees' > 4. Klaus Schulze, In Blue, 'The Return of the Tempel' > 5. Steve Morse, High Tension Wires, 'Highland Wedding' > 6. Dixie Dregs, Dregs of the Earth, 'Hereafter' > 7. Porcupine Tree, Stupid Dream, 'Even Less' > 8. Dead Can Dance, various, 'The Wind that Shakes the Barley', 'American > Dreaming', 'In the Kingdom of the Blind, the One-eyed are Kings', 'How > Fortunate the Man with None' ...and about 15 others. > 9. Tangerine Dream, Optical Race, 'Sungate' > 10. Genesis, Selling England By the Pound, 'Firth of Fifth' > 11. Yes, Close to the Edge, 'And You and I' > 12. Deep Purple, Purpendicuar, 'Sometimes I Feel Like Screaming' > 13. U2, Joshua Tree, 'Where the Streets Have No Name' > 14. Marillion, Fugazi, 'Fugazi' > 15. Gentle Giant, Octopus, 'Raconteur Troubadour' > 16. Hawkwind, Space Bandits, 'Images>Black Elk Speaks>Wings' > 17. Focus, Moving Waves, 'Eruption (Tommy)' > 18. King Crimson, Red, 'Starless' > 19. King Crimson, Three of A Perfect Pair, 'Sleepless' > 20. Anthony Phillips, Slow Dance, 'Slowdance Pt. 1 and 2' > 21. Allman Brothers Band, The Fillmore Concerts, 'In Memory of Elizabeth > Reed' > 22. Camel, Moonmadness, 'Spirit of the Water' and 'Lunar Sea' > 23. PFM, The World Became the World, 'The World Became the World' > 24. Patrick Moraz, Human Interface, 'Light Elements' > 25. Micheal Hoenig, Departure From the Northern Wasteland, 'Departure From > the Northern Wasteland' > 26. Patrick O'Hearn, Eldorado, 'Black Delilah' > 27. Peter Hammil, The Silent Corner and the Empty Stage, 'The Lie (Bernini's > St. Theresa)' > 28. Pink Floyd, Obscurred By Clouds, 'Mudmen' > 29. Ashra, Correlations, 'Pas de Trois' > 30. Pink Floyd, Animals, 'Pigs (Three Different Ones's)' > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > From: Mark Filipak Date: Tue Jul 9, 2002 4:15 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Shivers Hi All! Matthew Stringer wrote: > > Great List!!! Yes! All are great lists. I must say that I'm truly humbled. I thought I was a music fan, but the lists presented here, right off the tops of your heads, are stunning. They all sound like great food for 'greatest hits' albums. Not for the masses though I suppose. Thanks all. -- Mark (...now i have more albums to buy...) From: 'Owens, James' Date: Tue Jul 9, 2002 4:46 pm Subject: Oasis names This is not complete or difinitive, but to allay speculation we can at least get a few facts straight. This will not go into detail about information already given in previous posts. 1. Flash Flood - a desert phenomenon where dry river beds suddenly rush with water, often miles from where the rain actually falls. (See previous post about flash floods). 2. Zion - I posted yesterday about the definition of Zion. In this case, it refers to Zion Canyon National Park in Utah. It's around 40 miles from Cedar Breaks National Monument, also in Utah. Both of these are around 40 miles from Bryce Canyon National Park, which I think is more spectacular (at least in pictures) than Grand Canyon National Park. About 5 years ago I spent a holiday weekend exploring Bryce, Zion, and Cedar Breaks. All of these are just spectacular if you ever make it out to Utah. 3. Reflections - probably a reference to shallow, still pools of water that reflect the sky and surroundings almost like a mirror. 4. Cliff Dwellers - a reference to the Anasazi, an ancient race of Indians who actually carved entire villages and great palaces out of cliff faces (called pueblos) - quite a smart thing in the desert. The Anasazi, at about the same time of the Crusades in Europe, had a rather impressive society, largely agricultural, and only supplemented by the stereotypical hunting/gathering. Their society collapsed rather mysteriously. There's a lot of speculation about what happened to them. See: http://www.desertusa.com/ind1/du_peo_ana.html for more info about the Anasazi. Mesa Verde is the location of the most famous cliff dwellings. 5. Waterborne - nearly everything in the desert is subject to being carried off by water (especially during a flash flood). I'm guessing this refers to the power of water to erode and yet to provide life. 6. Cedar Breaks - as mentioned above, this is a National Monument in Utah. 7. Summer Storm - someone already posted a definitive statement on this. Basically a sort of very sudden storm. 8. Hopi Mesa Heart - The Hopi are believed to be descendants of the Anasazi, and live in mesa/cliff dwellings. (Mesa is basically a flat-topped mountain). See previous posts of mesas and on the Hopi. 9. Chia Maroon - Chia (Salvia columbariae) is a desert plant with small purple or deep blue flowers. Along with Maize and Amaranth, Chia was a staple grain of Native Americans of the Southwest and of the Aztecs of what is now Mexico. The parched seeds of the Chia were ground to make the staple flour, pinole. Chia seeds were also placed in water to make beverages. The Aztec and Anasazi cultures were heavily dependant on Chia. Some speculation blames the collapse of Anasazi society on a massive Chia crop failure. You can purchase Chia seeds at most 'organic' and/or health-food stores. I've even seen Chia beverages at some of the more esoteric coffee shops. You can find a nice picture of the Chia plant at http://www.azuswebworks.com/html/chia.htm The 'maroon' part I'm pretty sure refers to the color. The seed pods seem to have a reddish or maroon coloring below the flower (see the picture). I'd guess that a field of these after the flowers drop would have a maroon color. So there you have it. James From: PENFOLD Date: Tue Jul 9, 2002 4:48 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Shivers At 02.07.09-03:47, Eric Williamson wrote: >Vangelis: 'Blush Response' from the Blade Runner score - why doesn't he >make music this good anymore? Awesome track! In fact this CD is entirely great! Pete Isaacson aka °º¤ø,¸DJ DreamHead¸,ø¤º° mailto:penfold@a...?subject=DJDreamHead http://www.anet.net/~penfold/)^(djdreamhead.html Yahoo Chat: penfold235 ····· AIM: PENFOLD235 1984, Saw 'The Keep' LP at Tower Records, actually held it, didn't have the $$.....Damn!!!!! 'Absence of the KEEP LP is not evidence of its non-existence.' - Steven Feldman Watch the Coasters Grow! at: http://www.anet.net/~penfold/coastergarden.html From: Jonathan Holt Date: Tue Jul 9, 2002 5:18 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Shivers Good topic! I'm at work right now so no big list but without question Jeff Buckley's cd 'Grace', specificall the double-whammy of 'Hallelujah' and 'Lover You Should Have Come Over'... 'It's never over, my kingdom for a kiss upon her shoulder' Wow...a what a voice he had. To keep it TD related: Have to agree with Rubycon..and pretty much most of Alchemy of the Heart. Probably tons more but back to the grindstone for now --- Marko Marin wrote: > Out of curiosity... What albums from any > composer/band/artist (whatever!) sends shivers down > your spine when you hear it? I have few experiences > like that... ;-) > > (Not in any particular order...) > > Tangerine Dream - Rubycon Part One (When the bass > sequence starts...) > > Tangerine Dream - Force Majeure (Cloudburst > Flight...) > > Christopher Franke - Babylon 5 Vol. 2 (The chorus in > Messages from Earth and the main theme in The Voices > of Authority...) > > John Williams - Jurassic Park (The brass fanfare in > Journey To The Island...) > > John Williams - Star Wars Episode 2 (Only couple of > short parts here. The 'Trade Federation March' in > Bounty Hunter's Pursuit is very short but very > thrilling, some parts in Zam the Assasin and The > Chase > Through Coruscant...) > > Danny Elfman - Planet Of The Apes (The Hunt. If > you've > heard it, you know what I'm talking about...) > > Mike Oldfield - Tubular Bells 3 (The fast energetic > start in The Source of Secrets and the even more > energetic two-parter finale in Secrets/Far Above The > Clouds...) > > Mike Oldfield - Ommadawn (The whole first part. > Especially the finale where the African Drums are! > Simply amazing...) > > Brian Eno - Another Green World (St. Elmo's Fire > among > other songs in this album...) > > Ennio Morricone - The Good, The Bad And The Ugly > (The > main theme, Ecstasy of Gold and The Trio plus many > other ALBUMS from the dude...) > > Hans Zimmer - The Rock (For instance the beginning > of > the track Hummel Gets The Rockets) > > Hans Zimmer - The Peacemaker (Devoe's Revenge and > the > marvellous 17 minute 'suite', The Chase...) > > Hans Zimmer - The Thin Red Line (Journey To The > Line. > It just rises and rises...) > > Vangelis - Albedo 0.39 (The very beginning of Alpha. > Great stuff...) > > Vangelis - Mythodea (Too many parts to list them > here! > The start of the Movement 4 for instance...) > > Now it's your turn! > > Regards, > Marko Marin > aka TheInfection > > > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Sign up for SBC Yahoo! 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ID Date Size 34771 Re: CD Request Wade Gordon Wed 7/10/2002 2 KB 34774 Re: CD Request Wade Gordon Wed 7/10/2002 3 KB 34802 Re: CD Request Brian Stewart Fri 7/12/2002 2 KB From: 'fozziebear' Date: Tue Jul 9, 2002 6:10 pm Subject: Shivers I just stop when I hear: TD - Silver Scale David Bowie - Up the hill backwards TD - Topping out ceremony Klaus - Ludwig 2 von Bayern Marcella Detroit - I believe Banco de Gaia - ELP - Karn Evil 9 Sly Stone - take me higher Fashion - White stuff Bauhaus - She's in parties Global Communication - the one with all those numbers Glide Scritti Politti - prince among men Yoko Ono - walking on thin ice T.Rex - Electric Warrior Michael Rother - Feuerland Patti Smith - Paths that cross Future sound of London - My Kingdom KS - DSOM 2 Loop Guru 3rd Chamber TD livemiles TD Moorland Peter Hammill - a louse is not a home VDGG - refugees Steve Hillage - its all too much Orbital Satan The Orb - assassin there are probably loads more David l [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34760 Re: Shivers Gustavo Jobim Wed 7/10/2002 2 KB From: peter.stoeferle@t... Date: Tue Jul 9, 2002 7:13 pm Subject: Re: Shivers > From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak > Subject: Re: Shivers > > OK... here´s a few of mine that give me shivers all the time, just for fun > ;-): > > ... > - David Bowie - Ashes to Ashes Track with same title from a certain Berlin band shivers more... ;-) Peter From: 'Janet Wojtecki' Date: Tue Jul 9, 2002 7:21 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Shivers Yes Gustavo!! Alpha was the first TD album that I bought on Ohr in '71 and the majestic ending with the vocals really blew me away. I didn't have the translation then but the sound and the imagined meaning of the vocals were magnificent .Like someone else noted this would be, still to this day my ' In Memoriam' Ps Anybody ever listened to the numerous versions of Black Napkins by FZ , another melt and shiver. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Gustavo Jobim' To: Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 1:51 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Shivers Shivers? hah!, these can make me cry sometimes (a few of them, always): TD - Poland Poland Extracts and White Eagle were the first TD albums I bought, so they're very special for me. TD - Invisible Limits, Force Majeure third section (beginning at 6:48), Pergamon piano intro, Thru Metamorphic Rocks Invisible Limits is just a perfect track; that sequence in Majeure and the melody just make me jump around when listening to them. And Pergamon was the first TD music I actually heard, 2-3 weeks before Poland. Oh, that Tangram theme... and TMR with its malfunctioning equipment was what made me curious tu buy Majeure. Its intro is classic shiver. 'what the hell is that', I said to myself when listening the 1st time. Mike Oldfield - Ommadawn All of part 1, and the final song. I rarely don't cry with those. Absoulte heaven. Oldfield - Amarok, Hergest Ridge several times throughout Amarok, and specially the end of HR part 1. the same happens. Edgard Varèse - Nocturnal I believe some of you here have heard of that other Eddie... he was one of those electronic pioneers; some really interesting stories about him. I bought recently a double CD with all his complete works, and a nice, thick booklet. This orchestral piece, Nocturnal, now this is a case of serious shiver. It's amazing how he managed in a quite simple way to create some REALLY dark vocal passages here. I couldn't stand listening to this the other day, late at night, dark bedroom. You should try to find this one. TD - Alpha Centauri The closing vocal passage scared the hell out of me the first time I heard it. It was like 3am, and I was playing it for the first time, all dark, and after some 18 minutes of oooohs,aaaaaahs, and sinister sounds, everything gets suddenly lower and this ghostly voice begins saying 'der geist...'. I instantaneously threw the earphones away (fast heartbeat) and couldn't listen anymore for a long time. 'hell of crazy music!' I said. Alpha Centauri is my favourite pink years album. Some other music that makes me jump: Ravi Shankar/Philip Glass - Passages specially the amazing Meetings Along the Edge. Philip Glass - Music in 12 parts, part 2 If I could jump during its 19 minutes I would. Jarre - Magnetic Fields part 2 live in China my number 1 Jarre track. Oldfield - Tubular Bells 3 Top of the Morning, and the very excellent ending Far Above the Clouds. TD - Cloudburst Flight Do I need to say Majeure is my favourite TD album? Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34757 Re: Shivers Jonathan Holt Wed 7/10/2002 6 KB From: thomas.soucheleau@n... Date: Tue Jul 9, 2002 7:43 pm Subject: shivers I can't say that there is any piece of music that really gives me shivers (in any way one can understand it) but some tracks do have a special effect on me : Alban Berg - Concerto to the memory of an angel The smashing pumpkins - Disarm The beatles - Let it be Vangelis - Closing titles from mutiny on the bounty Vangelis - Bladerunner blues (and well, the whole soundtrack is pure magic) Jimi Hendrix - Little wing TD - Cloudburst flight (intro and finale) TD - Beach theme (original version) TD - Quichotte piano intro TD - Horizon (minute 6 to 9) TD - Song of the whale (parts 1&2) TD - Alchemy of the heart (third part - minute 6 to end) among others... Thomas. ------------------------------------------------------------- NetCourrier, votre bureau virtuel sur Internet : Mail, Agenda, Clubs, Toolbar... Web/Wap : www.netcourrier.com Téléphone/Fax : 08 92 69 00 21 (0,34 € TTC/min) Minitel: 3615 NETCOURRIER (0,15 € TTC/min) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34778 shivers Gustavo Jobim Thu 7/11/2002 2 KB From: 'tei waz' Date: Tue Jul 9, 2002 9:33 pm Subject: re shivers 'Down The Road' by Mickey Hart's Mystery Box gives me goosebumps every time I hear it. --T _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From: 'Whiteley, Steve' Date: Tue Jul 9, 2002 9:47 pm Subject: And then .... James said: >Anyway, we started a short hike into the canyon. It wasn't long before I >started to notice the humidity rising, and the temperature dropping. Well >into the canyon, I'd say the temperature had dropped to about 80, and >humidity was pretty high. The scenery had really changed too. If you were >to look around, you'd think we were in a rain forest on a tropical island >somewhere. There were all sorts of plants and mosses growing on the canyon >walls. The ground was almost swamp-like, with frogs and moss and vines all >around. The creek/river that runs through the canyon is only about waist >high most of the way. We met some people who were wading down the river >from the upper end of the canyon (there's no trail on that side IIRC). And then ... we heard the first ThunderClap and wondered why all the people started running. The Narrows are cool. I love the desert and for my friends one of the best parts of Zion is the Pah Tempe hot springs along the Virgin river where you can dig your own jacuzzi in the river sand. Three more weeks and my south west desert vacation begins. Oasis is one of my favorites, it felt like a special gift, the 11 mile hike to stunning Havasu falls can be grueling, its so wonderful to visit thru the music and DVD. -Steve Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34754 Re: And then .... Owens, James Tue 7/9/2002 3 KB 34755 Re: And then .... Mark Filipak Tue 7/9/2002 3 KB 34756 Re: And then .... Administrator for kay-net.com Tue 7/9/2002 4 KB From: 'Owens, James' Date: Tue Jul 9, 2002 10:11 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] And then .... I guess I have something in common with TD: I too was born in Germany, and I was also touched by the magnificence of the desert areas of the Southwest US. Never made it to Havasu Falls though. I really need to get back out there! Maybe I'll drag myself out to Mojave for the next Richochet! > -----Original Message----- > From: Whiteley, Steve [mailto:steve.whiteley@s...] > I love the desert and for my friends one of the best parts of > Zion is the > Pah Tempe hot springs along the Virgin river where you can > dig your own > jacuzzi in the river sand. Three more weeks and my south west desert > vacation begins. Oasis is one of my favorites, it felt like a > special gift, > the 11 mile hike to stunning Havasu falls can be grueling, > its so wonderful > to visit thru the music and DVD. From: Mark Filipak Date: Tue Jul 9, 2002 10:24 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] And then .... Steve, you inspired me. 'Whiteley, Steve' wrote: > > I love the desert and for my friends one of the best parts of Zion is > the Pah Tempe hot springs along the Virgin river where you can dig > your own jacuzzi in the river sand. Three more weeks and my south west > desert vacation begins. Oasis is one of my favorites, it felt like a > special gift, the 11 mile hike to stunning Havasu falls can be > grueling, its so wonderful to visit thru the music and DVD. To all of you who have never been to the Desert Southwest (USA), you should visit sometime. I live back in Ohio now, but lived in California for 24 years and visited the deserts in California, Arizona, Nevada, and Utah many times. I imagine like most people 'back east', I thought of deserts as just desolate places -- nature's failures or 'ecological ruins' or something like that. When I actually experienced the desert it came as a total revelation. Perhaps that's what Edgar meant by 'Sudden Revelation'. Just my 2 cents (but don't ask for my opinion of the Texas panhandle). Ciao -- Mark From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Tue Jul 9, 2002 10:31 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] And then .... 'To all of you who have never been to the Desert Southwest (USA), you > should visit sometime.' Perhaps to one who lives in the Desert, it isn't all that great after a while. Dale <-------- I live in Lancaster CA.. 90% of my ISP customers are in Death Valley.. My favorite pass time is fixing my swamp cooler... Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Mark Filipak' To: Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 3:24 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] And then .... > Steve, you inspired me. > > 'Whiteley, Steve' wrote: > > > > I love the desert and for my friends one of the best parts of Zion is > > the Pah Tempe hot springs along the Virgin river where you can dig > > your own jacuzzi in the river sand. Three more weeks and my south west > > desert vacation begins. Oasis is one of my favorites, it felt like a > > special gift, the 11 mile hike to stunning Havasu falls can be > > grueling, its so wonderful to visit thru the music and DVD. > > To all of you who have never been to the Desert Southwest (USA), you > should visit sometime. I live back in Ohio now, but lived in California > for 24 years and visited the deserts in California, Arizona, Nevada, and > Utah many times. I imagine like most people 'back east', I thought of > deserts as just desolate places -- nature's failures or 'ecological > ruins' or something like that. When I actually experienced the desert it > came as a total revelation. > > Perhaps that's what Edgar meant by 'Sudden Revelation'. > > Just my 2 cents (but don't ask for my opinion of the Texas panhandle). > > Ciao -- Mark > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Jonathan Holt Date: Wed Jul 10, 2002 12:04 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Shivers I've got about 70 zappa albums and, yes, Black Napkins in any version is amazing. Also Watermelon In Easter Hay. My favourite is RDNZL on Lather (and elsewhere, but I listen to Lather a lot). Other bits n pieces: Bernard Butler 'Stay' (acoustic live) Neil Young 'Like a Hurricane' (from Unplugged) & Sugar Mountain (live on Rust Never Sleeps) *my wife would like to add 'Blurry' by Puddle Of Mudd* Blur 'This Is A Low' Kate Bush 'Hounds of Love' (entire cd) Feeder 'Shade' Tangerine Dream 'Phaedra' (everything) TD 'Cool At Heart' Edgar Froese 'Drunken Mozart' Wildhearts 'Suckerpunch' Nick Cave 'Into My Arms' This Mortal Coil 'Song To The Siren' The Cure 'Disintegration' (entire cd) The Stone Roses 'Made Of Stone' and the best song ever recorded by any band 'I Am The Resurrection'. I got promoted today too :-) > Ps Anybody ever listened to the numerous versions of > Black Napkins by FZ , > another melt and shiver. > > Chris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Gustavo Jobim' > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 1:51 PM > Subject: Re: [tadream] Shivers > > > Shivers? hah!, these can make me cry sometimes (a > few of them, always): > > TD - Poland > Poland Extracts and White Eagle were the first TD > albums I bought, so > they're very special for me. > > TD - Invisible Limits, Force Majeure third section > (beginning at 6:48), > Pergamon piano intro, Thru Metamorphic Rocks > Invisible Limits is just a perfect track; that > sequence in Majeure and the > melody just make me jump around when listening to > them. And Pergamon was the > first TD music I actually heard, 2-3 weeks before > Poland. Oh, that Tangram > theme... and TMR with its malfunctioning equipment > was what made me curious > tu buy Majeure. Its intro is classic shiver. 'what > the hell is that', I said > to myself when listening the 1st time. > > Mike Oldfield - Ommadawn > All of part 1, and the final song. I rarely don't > cry with those. Absoulte > heaven. > > Oldfield - Amarok, Hergest Ridge > several times throughout Amarok, and specially the > end of HR part 1. the > same happens. > > Edgard Varèse - Nocturnal > I believe some of you here have heard of that other > Eddie... he was one of > those electronic pioneers; some really interesting > stories about him. I > bought recently a double CD with all his complete > works, and a nice, thick > booklet. This orchestral piece, Nocturnal, now this > is a case of serious > shiver. It's amazing how he managed in a quite > simple way to create some > REALLY dark vocal passages here. I couldn't stand > listening to this the > other day, late at night, dark bedroom. You should > try to find this one. > > TD - Alpha Centauri > The closing vocal passage scared the hell out of me > the first time I heard > it. It was like 3am, and I was playing it for the > first time, all dark, and > after some 18 minutes of oooohs,aaaaaahs, and > sinister sounds, everything > gets suddenly lower and this ghostly voice begins > saying 'der geist...'. I > instantaneously threw the earphones away (fast > heartbeat) and couldn't > listen anymore for a long time. 'hell of crazy > music!' I said. Alpha > Centauri is my favourite pink years album. > > Some other music that makes me jump: > Ravi Shankar/Philip Glass - Passages > specially the amazing Meetings Along the Edge. > > Philip Glass - Music in 12 parts, part 2 > If I could jump during its 19 minutes I would. > > Jarre - Magnetic Fields part 2 live in China > my number 1 Jarre track. > > Oldfield - Tubular Bells 3 > Top of the Morning, and the very excellent ending > Far Above the Clouds. > > TD - Cloudburst Flight > Do I need to say Majeure is my favourite TD album? > > Gustavo Jobim > gustavojobim@n... > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ______________________________________________________________________ Post your ad for free now! http://personals.yahoo.ca From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Wed Jul 10, 2002 12:56 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Shivers In a message dated 7/9/2002 7:06:01 PM Central Daylight Time, plantpot_73@y... writes: > The Stone Roses 'Made Of Stone' and the best song ever > recorded by any band 'I Am The Resurrection'. > > I got promoted today too :-) > *I love these guys... Fools gold and the second album just rock!!! Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'E Neal Frost' Date: Wed Jul 10, 2002 2:42 am Subject: Info and Cover Art I know that I am usually a Day Late and Dollar Short in most things in life. When the Klaus Schulze Concert was being discussed, I really didn't think I would be getting a copy, so I did not pay attention to the discussion. Is the information I have listed for these two concerts correct? And is there artwork available for these? Klaus Schulze/Manuel Gottsching - Live from the Fritz, Berlin - 19 May 2001 Rick Wakeman - 8th Annual Alpha Centauri Electronic Music Festival, The Netherlands - 28 April 2001 Thanks All Neal From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Tue Jul 9, 2002 11:29 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Shivers >I just stop when I hear: >TD - Silver Scale >Klaus - Ludwig 2 von Bayern How could I forget those! They're absolutely amazing. I even like the middle section of Ludwig 2 now! :) And Lodz, the live version of it from the Poland live album is also excellent. Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Wed Jul 10, 2002 3:21 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Off topic - Richard Vimal I remember hearing something on the radio many years ago called Aquarythmies... I can't recall what it sounds like, but it made enough of an impressions for me to remember the title after all these years.... MJ > -----Original Message----- > From: thesmitter@j... [mailto:thesmitter@j...] > Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 2:59 PM > To: Tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Off topic - Richard Vimal > > > Hi, > > Sorry for the off topic question, but has anyone ever heard any > music from Richard Vimal (late '70s early '80s)? If so, what's > your opinion? I just heard his name for the first time. > > Thanks, > Larry > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Marion Horrod Date: Wed Jul 10, 2002 11:41 am Subject: Shivers Interesting question, Marko. Here's a few thoughts from me... Ralph Vaughan Williams - Antartic Symphony Never fails to make me shiver. For a start, it can literally make me feel cold: it was developed from the soundtrack for a documentary about Scott's journey to the South Pole, and is very atmospheric. But also, it is a very powerful piece of music, imho. Much of Ry Cooder's solo guitar soundtrack work - Paris, Texas being a particularly strong contender. The Battle, from the Gladiator soundtrack. Although for some reason this has lost some of its power since I realised it's in strict tempo 3/4 time. Maybe it's because I can't resist a bit of a giggle at the thought of all these hunky warriors in leather skirts waltzing around the woods? Seven Golden Daffodils, by Lonnie Donegan. Many of you have probably never heard of this guy. He's a skiffle artist from the 60's (although he released a joint live album with Van Morrison and Chris Barber a few years ago which is great fun). But 'Daffodils' is a wonderful slow tempo love song that I have adored since I was a child. LD has an extraordinary voice, although this is probably not the best example of his range. os452 from Macula Transfer (by a certain Mr E Froese) Those opening notes! 'nuff said. Code Indigo Live at Duisberg, Track 8 Actually, this one usually makes me want to cry. Well, to be honest, it usually makes me cry whether I want to or not. I think it has to do with the 'heartbeat' that underlies it. A night at the museum - FSP and Dave Brewer, from the original Okefenokee Dreams album Scary or what? Future Wreck from Arcane's Future Wreck Something very chilling about the sequence on this one, and the underlying continuous note makes me think of the space between the stars. Analogy - FSP from Live at E-Live 2000 Another chiller. Taking Central Park from TD's Dream Music album (soundtrack of 'The Park is Mine') I'm not sure why this one works this way, but the first part in particular does it every time. Allelulia from Geoff Buckley's 'Grace' It's that voice. The Man's Too Strong from Dire Straits 'Brothers in Arms' When the crashing chords kick in. I could go on - I have a whole playlist (around 70 tracks) set up on my DAP of this sort of thing. I've just sort of picked out a representative sample that suits my mood today. Yesterday I might have picked different ones. But I think the Vaughan Williams and the Lonnie Donnegan would always be there. LnH Marion p.s. I just had a look at what other people have said. I have to agree strongly with Heiko's pick of 'Electricity' - it's that Ry Cooder guitar that does it again for me. And if I had to pick a single Floyd track, I think it would be 'Echoes', although 'Careful with the Axe Eugene' is an obvious contender! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34765 (Coming out of hiding to discuss what makes me) S sean_w_montgomery Wed 7/10/2002 3 KB 34767 Re: (Coming out of hiding to discuss what makes m Matthew Stringer Wed 7/10/2002 2 KB 35127 Re: Shivers bjoernsip Thu 8/1/2002 3 KB From: Dan Downey Date: Wed Jul 10, 2002 3:05 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Shivers I get the shivers easily. The following is an incomplete list of CDs I can actually use to effect my feelings or mood. There are pleny more. DanD Michael Brook - Cobalt Blue Cluster - Grosses Wasser Fripp & Eno - No Pussyfooting Brian Eno - On Land Philip Glass - Mishima soundtrack Michael Nyman - Gattaca soundtrack TD - Zeit, Sorcerer & Thief soundtracks Klaus Schultz - X In The Nursery - An Ambush of Ghosts JM Jarre - Zoolook The KLF - Chill Out Labradford - Mi Media Naranja & E Luxo So Bill Nelson - Chamber of Dreams Mike Oldfield - Ommadawn plus many others Penguin Cafe Orchestra - most Eddie Jobson - Theme of Secrets Popul Vuh - In the Garden of the Pharao / Aguirre Hans Joachim Roedelius - Jardin au Fou & Selbstportrait 1 & 2 Western Spaces - Roach/Braheny/Burmer Gavin Bryars - Sinking of the Titanic and Jesus Blood Steve Tibbetts - self titled (1977) Vangelis - Ignacio & China Vladimir Cosma - Diva soundtrack Eric Satie Pieter Nooten - Sleeps with Fishes Bel Canto - Shimmering, Warm & Bright Kate Bush - almost anything Nick Cave - Murder Ballads & The Good Son Cocteau Twins - Garlands Tanya Donelly - Lovesongs for Underdogs Robert Fripp - Exposure Pixies - Surfer Rosa & Come on Pilgrim Pink Floyd - Meddle Sinead O'Conner - Lion and the Cobra Midnight Oil - Blue Sky Mining David Sylvian - lots Janes Addiction - Nothing's Shocking Durutti Column - Domo Arigato Television - Marquee Moon This Mortal Coil - Filigree & Shadow The Waterboys - Fisherman's Blues Robert Wyatt - Rock Bottom Part II readily available! Most recent discovery/favorite - Gnac --- Marko Marin wrote: > Out of curiosity... What albums from any > composer/band/artist (whatever!) sends shivers down > your spine when you hear it? I have few experiences > like that... ;-) > > (Not in any particular order...) > > Tangerine Dream - Rubycon Part One (When the bass > sequence starts...) > > Tangerine Dream - Force Majeure (Cloudburst > Flight...) > > Christopher Franke - Babylon 5 Vol. 2 (The chorus in > Messages from Earth and the main theme in The Voices > of Authority...) > > John Williams - Jurassic Park (The brass fanfare in > Journey To The Island...) > > John Williams - Star Wars Episode 2 (Only couple of > short parts here. The 'Trade Federation March' in > Bounty Hunter's Pursuit is very short but very > thrilling, some parts in Zam the Assasin and The > Chase > Through Coruscant...) > > Danny Elfman - Planet Of The Apes (The Hunt. If > you've > heard it, you know what I'm talking about...) > > Mike Oldfield - Tubular Bells 3 (The fast energetic > start in The Source of Secrets and the even more > energetic two-parter finale in Secrets/Far Above The > Clouds...) > > Mike Oldfield - Ommadawn (The whole first part. > Especially the finale where the African Drums are! > Simply amazing...) > > Brian Eno - Another Green World (St. Elmo's Fire > among > other songs in this album...) > > Ennio Morricone - The Good, The Bad And The Ugly > (The > main theme, Ecstasy of Gold and The Trio plus many > other ALBUMS from the dude...) > > Hans Zimmer - The Rock (For instance the beginning > of > the track Hummel Gets The Rockets) > > Hans Zimmer - The Peacemaker (Devoe's Revenge and > the > marvellous 17 minute 'suite', The Chase...) > > Hans Zimmer - The Thin Red Line (Journey To The > Line. > It just rises and rises...) > > Vangelis - Albedo 0.39 (The very beginning of Alpha. > Great stuff...) > > Vangelis - Mythodea (Too many parts to list them > here! > The start of the Movement 4 for instance...) > > Now it's your turn! > > Regards, > Marko Marin > aka TheInfection > > > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Sign up for SBC Yahoo! 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'sean_w_montgomery' Date: Wed Jul 10, 2002 3:41 pm Subject: (Coming out of hiding to discuss what makes me) Shiver I don't think there's a piece of music that makes me quake every single time I hear it...that kind of reaction is very contextural, dependant on my mood that day, or if I'm hearing it in a way or in a place that reminds me of something from earlier in my life. The most banal pop song can make me shiver if I hear it at the right time. But I'll take a crack at this anyway. I'm sure I'll think of others later on. Vangelis - Theme from Cosmos (an excerpt from the album Heaven and Hell) Dead Can Dance - The Host of Seraphim (as heard in the film Baraka...that segment of the film always slays me)...Anywhere out of the World Lisa Gerrard - Elysium Cocteau Twins - Evangeline, Crushed, Hitherto Slowdive - Alison This Mortal Coil - Song to the Siren Transglobal Underground - Sky Giant Kate Bush - Running up that Hill Pet Shop Boys - West End Girls (it just reminds me of a certain time of my youth) Brian Eno - An Ending (Ascent) Tangerine Dream - Kiew Mission, Hyperborea, Charly the Kid, Logos Blue Part Peter Gabriel - The Feeling Begins The Beatles - Something Simon and Garfunkel - The Only Living Boy in New York I'm sure that there are a dozen pieces of classical music that I could name...but they're kind of beyond the scope of this list, and I'm not very good with remembering the names! -Sean Montgomery Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34767 Re: (Coming out of hiding to discuss what makes m Matthew Stringer Wed 7/10/2002 2 KB From: Art Of Vision Date: Wed Jul 10, 2002 4:04 pm Subject: Re: Shivers Rubycon (part 1), 8-13 Stratosfear Grind, Impressions of the Sorcerer & Betrayal Cherokee Lane Pergamon part 1 - the beginning Tangram set 1 - the ending part Mojave Plan (after the whispering voices) Heritage Survival (The Keep) Logos (Part 1), 7-25 First half of Poland & end of Horizon The West Berlin Concert - Dolphin Dance section Instrumental part of London, Alchemy of the Heart & both 21st century Long Island Sunset Electric Lion and Art Of Vision Qinoa - middle part (~9-20) 220 Volts Galley Slave's Horizon and Twilight Brigade Lamb with radar Eyes & Sad Merlin's Sunday Waterborne (Tournado) Astrophobia + AirSculpture's Moments In Lowell (3rd Quarter), Thunderhead(Second Half) and Pogofish. Effect of the music, BTW, depends much on the surrounding conditions: I myself enjoy listening in the darkness, and rain also is very suitable with TD. When it's hot or someone disturbs you, it's really hard to feel music in full strength... Now, for instance, it's a heavy rain and a strong wind here, and I'm playing Turn Of The Tides extremely LOUD! =:-) ArtOfVision __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From: 'Matthew Stringer' Date: Wed Jul 10, 2002 4:25 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] (Coming out of hiding to discuss what makes me) Shiver I have noticed that some people have never experienced 'The Shiver' and do not know what one is in respect to music. I really pity them. A brief list of definite musical orgasms: Vangelis Albedo 0.39 Jean-Michel Jarre Oxygene Part 2 Tangerine Dream Monolight Marillion Incubus Art Of Noise The Holy Egoism of Genius Pink Floyd Dogs Mike Oldfield Ommadawn Part 2 Tori Amos China Marillion Grendel Chris Franke Black Garden View Matt From: 'hyperboreauk' Date: Wed Jul 10, 2002 5:51 pm Subject: test test only please ignore From: 'hyperboreauk' Date: Wed Jul 10, 2002 6:02 pm Subject: re.Shivers Hi apart from this British summer here a few TD/EM related only. TD Tracks White Eagle Hyperborea Force Majeure middle PT Toward's the Evening Star Comet's Figure Head Horizon 1st pt most of Logos Monolight Drunken Mozart/Stuntman - EF Most tracks from Zoo of Tran and White Out-J.Schmoelling Future Wreck-Arcane Floating Music- Robert Schroeder Cheers Gary From: tom george Date: Wed Jul 10, 2002 6:18 pm Subject: tennis anyone? Tennis boring? Maybe you haven't watched a match involving Anna K. :) Tom Sorry for the late post but I am behind on my digest reading by a month. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From: Wade Gordon Date: Wed Jul 10, 2002 6:21 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] CD Request Rene, I will see what I can do to help you. Wade --- René Brenner wrote: > Hello, > > I have been looking for a while now for the Castle > Communication Remasters > (1996) of Electronic Meditation, Alpha Centauri and > Zeit. > > If you have any of those listed above for sale > (new/sealed if possible) or > know where they are still available please let me > know. > > Thank you > René > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34774 Re: CD Request Wade Gordon Wed 7/10/2002 3 KB From: 'Owens, James' Date: Wed Jul 10, 2002 8:39 pm Subject: OT Albedo 0.39 (was Shiver) I'm assuming you mean the whole album, and not just the track? To me, the biggest shivers on Albedo and the impressive Pipe Organ opening to 'Nucleogenesis', the ending of Alpha, and most especially the end of Pulstar. The way it just builds and builds right up to the end, then suddenly locks up! WOW! That is nothing short of creative genius! Bravo Vangelis! James -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Stringer [mailto:qube@f...] Vangelis Albedo 0.39 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34773 Re: OT Albedo 0.39 (was Shiver) Matthew Stringer Wed 7/10/2002 3 KB 34775 Re: OT Albedo 0.39 (was Shiver) Wade Gordon Wed 7/10/2002 3 KB 34779 Re: OT Albedo 0.39 (was Shiver) Gustavo Jobim Thu 7/11/2002 3 KB 34783 Re: OT Albedo 0.39 (was Shiver) René Brenner Thu 7/11/2002 3 KB 34801 Re: OT Vangelis (was Albedo 0.39) Marko Marin Fri 7/12/2002 2 KB From: 'Matthew Stringer' Date: Wed Jul 10, 2002 10:46 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] OT Albedo 0.39 (was Shiver) Nope just the title track, the key change just before the Albedo Zero-3-9 bit has the right shiver effects!!! -----Original Message----- From: Owens, James [mailto:james.owens@m...] Sent: 10 July 2002 21:40 To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com' Subject: [tadream] OT Albedo 0.39 (was Shiver) I'm assuming you mean the whole album, and not just the track? To me, the biggest shivers on Albedo and the impressive Pipe Organ opening to 'Nucleogenesis', the ending of Alpha, and most especially the end of Pulstar. The way it just builds and builds right up to the end, then suddenly locks up! WOW! That is nothing short of creative genius! Bravo Vangelis! James -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Stringer [mailto:qube@f...] Vangelis Albedo 0.39 ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Wade Gordon Date: Wed Jul 10, 2002 11:07 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] CD Request I have 'Electronic Meditation' on Jive Electro and also 'Green Desert.' --- Wade Gordon wrote: > Rene, > > I will see what I can do to help you. > > Wade > --- René Brenner wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I have been looking for a while now for the Castle > > Communication Remasters > > (1996) of Electronic Meditation, Alpha Centauri > and > > Zeit. > > > > If you have any of those listed above for sale > > (new/sealed if possible) or > > know where they are still available please let me > > know. > > > > Thank you > > René > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: > > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From: Wade Gordon Date: Wed Jul 10, 2002 11:11 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT Albedo 0.39 (was Shiver) Get the 24 bit processed version on 'The Music of Cosmos' and it will knock your sox off. Wade --- 'Owens, James' wrote: > I'm assuming you mean the whole album, and not just > the track? > > To me, the biggest shivers on Albedo and the > impressive Pipe Organ opening > to 'Nucleogenesis', the ending of Alpha, and most > especially the end of > Pulstar. The way it just builds and builds right up > to the end, then > suddenly locks up! WOW! That is nothing short of > creative genius! > > Bravo Vangelis! > > James > > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthew Stringer [mailto:qube@f...] > > Vangelis Albedo 0.39 > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From: quarlie@a... Date: Thu Jul 11, 2002 12:05 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Shivers In a message dated 7/9/02 3:23:39 AM, rubyconist@y... writes: >Out of curiosity... What albums from any >composer/band/artist (whatever!) sends shivers down >your spine when you hear it? I have few experiences >like that... ;-) > >(Not in any particular order...) > >Tangerine Dream - Rubycon Part One (When the bass >sequence starts...) That's definitely my number one 'shiver' moment too. I suppose I might as well add some other entries. Because I have no self-restraint, a ridiculously long list follows. As far as TD: Atem (the intro) Bent Cold Sidewalk Craving for Cardomon Every track on Exit, especially Remote Viewing Force Majeure (the cello in the beginning) Jungle Jacula (when the bassline first enters and things start to build...) Logos (countless times) Mojave Plan (especially the transition between the first two movements) Mothers of Rain Phaedra (the ending--gets me every time) Rising Haul in Silence Shivers from other artists: Anubian Lights - Grid Coordinate: Vorp One (Doran Shelley's mind-bending guitar solo) Blind Guardian - Wait for an Answer (the ending), Blood Tears Covenant - Flux Dead Can Dance - Enigma of the Absolute, American Dreaming, Severance, Ulysses, just about everything else they've ever recorded Delerium - Flowers Become Screens (the chorus) Depeche Mode - I Am You (chorus) Dilate - Oblivium, Ice Curtain, Coral Dubok - It's Both Now Dubstar - Redirected Mail Brian Eno - Dune Prophecy Theme Enya - Deireadh an Tuath Forma Tadre - Gates (especially the beginning), Lo Rez Skyline (which quotes the bassline from the following...) Edgar Froese - Maroubra Bay Front Line Assembly - Synthetic Forms (the part with the sampled Led Zeppelin beat) Genesis - In the Glow of the Night Hawkwind - We Took the Wrong Step Years Ago Heaven 17 - An Electronic Prayer Information Society - Ozar Midrashim The Jelly Jam - Under the Tree (the vocal harmonies) Saori Kobayashi, Mariko Nanba - Ecce Valde Generous Ale, a Premonition of War, Path to the Being, countless others (from Panzer Dragoon Saga game soundtrack) Leftfield - Swords Mannheim Steamroller - Interlude II Massive Attack - Teardrop Loreena McKennitt - Courtyard Lullaby Moby - Rushing (the piano part) Gary Numan - The Hauntings (last minute or so) Ochre - Reverse Engineering (when the bass drone enters) The Orb - Passing of Time Orbital - Nothing Left Pink Floyd - Shine On You Crazy Diamond Pressurehed - Bluff Creek and Beyond Project Pitchfork - Eon, Jupiter Steve Roach - Altus (and others) Saint Etienne - Former Lover Joe Satriani - Into the Light Spiral Realms - 1000 Years Under Solar Sails, Solar Flares, others... too many to list Symphony X - Rediscovery Synaesthesia - Mosaic, Lifeless Tears for Fears - Listen, Swords and Knives, Los Reyes Catolicos Terranova - Sugarhill Nik Turner - God Rock U2 - October VNV Nation - Arclight, Left Behind Xylon - Raumklang (Stufe 1) Zero Gravity - We're Tumbling, End Over End Is that enough? ;) Maybe I shiver too easily. --Daniel NP: Joe Satriani - Strange Beautiful Music From: Miguel Farah Date: Thu Jul 11, 2002 1:37 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Shivers Marko Marin [09/07/2002 03:36] dijo/said: >Out of curiosity... What albums from any >composer/band/artist (whatever!) sends shivers down >your spine when you hear it? I have few experiences >like that... ;-) >[....] >Now it's your turn! King Crimson - Starless Steve Hackett - Hammer In The Sand Tangerine Dream - Poland (the piano section) Genesis - Firth of Fifth (intro) You might find this odd, as I *don't* like piano a lot, yet three of the four pieces I mentioned are piano themes... From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Thu Jul 11, 2002 3:56 am Subject: shivers I alawys remember some more every time I read those lists. But let me add an [important] last one: Wuivend Riet Part 2 by master Schmoelling. just wow. that ending is fascinating!!! GJ np. John Adams - Hoodoo Zephyr. my 1st Adams album. found it for an unbelievable low price even for Brazil-made cds. very cool so far! Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Thu Jul 11, 2002 4:05 am Subject: Re: [tadream] OT Albedo 0.39 (was Shiver) >To me, the biggest shivers on Albedo and the impressive Pipe Organ opening >to 'Nucleogenesis', the ending of Alpha, and most especially the end of >Pulstar. The way it just builds and builds right up to the end, then >suddenly locks up! WOW! That is nothing short of creative genius! Actually I've heard there exists an Alpha part 2, which seems appropriate, because as you said, it locks up. But I haven't heard this second part. anyway Albedo is a VERY special album for me too. up there in electronic heaven with, just to name a few: Floating Music by R.Schroeder (well reminded!); Equinoxe by JMJ; Wuivend Riet by Schmoelling; Tangram; Force Majeure; Phaedra..... ... ... ... ... don't we just love these lists? and it's amazing how someone always come up with a new point of view to make a list! >Bravo Vangelis! >James Indeed! -GJ (who happens to be founder/moderator of the Brazilian Vangelis yahoogroup) Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... From: 'vic rek' Date: Thu Jul 11, 2002 5:01 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Shivers From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak > - King Crimson - Epitaph Yes, I agree - this made me depressed when I was a teenager.... :-) But I listened to it a lot. > - Pink Floyd - Astronomy Domine Excellent choice - but I hope you mean the one off the Ummagumma album. Some other bands to consider: Manikin Records - all artists! Star Sounds Orchestra Free System Projekt Kasia Stankiewicz AirSculpture Der SPYRA Le Orme Arcane Toto Uno Vic From: 'John Marchington' Date: Thu Jul 11, 2002 5:18 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Shivers Sorry, guys. When I listen to 'The Planets', I want to hear it the way Gustav Holst wrote it. I would imagine he spent a considerable amount of time orchestrating it -- and it is brilliant. I particularly like 'Uranus, the Magician' and 'Neptune, the Mystic' -- the latter is really ethereal, with the wordless female chorus near the end. The entire work is excellent. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'mars103nl' To: Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 9:18 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: Shivers > --- In tadream@y..., Armin Theissen wrote: > > > > Isao Tomita's version of the Planets, in 'Jupiter, > > bringer of jollity', the part after the kind of > > 'space-ship - ground control chatter' when the > > string melody sets in, and the break with > > mellotron (I guess) choir... > > Ah yes thats a great part. > In fact I like the whole CD. > He used custom sets for his mellotron...maybe nobody > notice it but the choir goes from male to female in > the same set. > How I wish that all the Tomita CDs would be re-released > as multi-channel DVD (or SACD...I would buy a player for it). > I believe the recordings are surround already. > > Marcel > http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels > mengels@w... > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34786 Re: Shivers Dan Downey Thu 7/11/2002 4 KB 34793 Re: Shivers Gustavo Jobim Thu 7/11/2002 3 KB From: 'vic rek' Date: Thu Jul 11, 2002 7:25 am Subject: Debut of Website Today! In Celebration of the opening of my official business website... Please visit www.ricochetdream.com This website is not yet complete, but I won't change much in the next few weeks anyway... The first 11 persons that write to the e-mail at the website will be considered for a rare TD item. The e-mail subject must be 'Jelenia Gora'. You need to mention which visitor number you are (as posted on the webpage) and what would you ask Edgar if you just happened to meet him at the entrance of the U-Bahn. This answer is key to winning and at my discretion... Note: Do not ask about the 1982 tour. The winner will get something very unique and collectible!!! I will post the top 11 results once it's all over. Let's have some fun! Vic Rek From: René Brenner Date: Thu Jul 11, 2002 10:51 am Subject: Re: [tadream] OT Albedo 0.39 (was Shiver) Spiral (especially the 2nd half of the track) is a real shiver! On Wed, Jul 10, 2002 at 15:39:36 -0500, Owens, James wrote: > I'm assuming you mean the whole album, and not just the track? > > To me, the biggest shivers on Albedo and the impressive Pipe Organ opening > to 'Nucleogenesis', the ending of Alpha, and most especially the end of > Pulstar. The way it just builds and builds right up to the end, then > suddenly locks up! WOW! That is nothing short of creative genius! > > Bravo Vangelis! > > James > > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthew Stringer [mailto:qube@f...] > > Vangelis Albedo 0.39 > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34801 Re: OT Vangelis (was Albedo 0.39) Marko Marin Fri 7/12/2002 2 KB From: Date: Thu Jul 11, 2002 1:45 pm Subject: Jelenia Gora Visitor 882! I'm not sure where the entrance to the U-bahn is, but I'd ask him if he still had Linda Spa's phone number... - jim On Thu, 11 Jul 2002 03:25:00 -0400 vic rek wrote: In Celebration of the opening of my official business website... Please visit www.ricochetdream.com This website is not yet complete, but I won't change much in the next few weeks anyway... The first 11 persons that write to the e-mail at the website will be considered for a rare TD item. The e-mail subject must be 'Jelenia Gora'. You need to mention which visitor number you are (as posted on the webpage) and what would you ask Edgar if you just happened to meet him at the entrance of the U-Bahn. This answer is key to winning and at my discretion... Note: Do not ask about the 1982 tour. The winner will get something very unique and collectible!!! I will post the top 11 results once it's all over. Let's have some fun! Vic Rek ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34785 Re: Jelenia Gora moxica@m... Thu 7/11/2002 4 KB From: Date: Thu Jul 11, 2002 1:46 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Jelenia Gora oops! That went to the wrong place -- sorry! On Thu, 11 Jul 2002 09:45:10 -0400 moxica@m... wrote: Visitor 882! I'm not sure where the entrance to the U-bahn is, but I'd ask him if he still had Linda Spa's phone number... - jim On Thu, 11 Jul 2002 03:25:00 -0400 vic rek wrote: In Celebration of the opening of my official business website... Please visit www.ricochetdream.com This website is not yet complete, but I won't change much in the next few weeks anyway... The first 11 persons that write to the e-mail at the website will be considered for a rare TD item. The e-mail subject must be 'Jelenia Gora'. You need to mention which visitor number you are (as posted on the webpage) and what would you ask Edgar if you just happened to meet him at the entrance of the U-Bahn. This answer is key to winning and at my discretion... Note: Do not ask about the 1982 tour. The winner will get something very unique and collectible!!! I will post the top 11 results once it's all over. Let's have some fun! Vic Rek ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Dan Downey Date: Thu Jul 11, 2002 2:42 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Shivers Why so Puritanical? So much of classical music if effected by the individual performers and conductors interpretation of the score that many recording probably don't sound the way the composer origianlly intended. If you don't allow the musicians to interpret the music, to some extent, then why are there multiple recordings, in fact hundreds, of well known pieces? Who is the arbitrator for which recording is what the now-dead composer intended? Where do you draw the line? Would it be OK to sub in high quality synth samples as long as the arrangements and orchestration were true? --- John Marchington wrote: > Sorry, guys. > > When I listen to 'The Planets', I want to hear it > the way Gustav Holst wrote > it. I would imagine he spent a considerable amount > of time orchestrating > it -- and it is brilliant. I particularly like > 'Uranus, the Magician' and > 'Neptune, the Mystic' -- the latter is really > ethereal, with the wordless > female chorus near the end. The entire work is > excellent. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'mars103nl' > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 9:18 PM > Subject: [tadream] Re: Shivers > > > > --- In tadream@y..., Armin Theissen > wrote: > > > > > > Isao Tomita's version of the Planets, in > 'Jupiter, > > > bringer of jollity', the part after the kind of > > > 'space-ship - ground control chatter' when the > > > string melody sets in, and the break with > > > mellotron (I guess) choir... > > > > Ah yes thats a great part. > > In fact I like the whole CD. > > He used custom sets for his mellotron...maybe > nobody > > notice it but the choir goes from male to female > in > > the same set. > > How I wish that all the Tomita CDs would be > re-released > > as multi-channel DVD (or SACD...I would buy a > player for it). > > I believe the recordings are surround already. > > > > Marcel > > http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels > > mengels@w... > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ===== DanD - aka DJAmbient www.ambientissue.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34793 Re: Shivers Gustavo Jobim Thu 7/11/2002 3 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Thu Jul 11, 2002 2:51 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Shivers >Tangerine Dream - Poland (the piano section) Did I miss something? I don't remember a piano section anywhere on the album, let alone the title track. Is this possibly a reference to the keyboard intro? Doesn't sound like piano to me. While I'm at it: What is the cause of all these shivers? I wonder whether it's a case of complex emotion systems or simply an aestetical stimulus-response? Ie: could it be possible to intendly (spelling?) compose / create something which would shiver any given human being? I'm not referring to a seriously-out-of-tune violin, something more structural instead. What do you think? John Vertical np:Poland 10.50 (Nope, no piano spotted yet) _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34800 Re: Shivers Marko Marin Fri 7/12/2002 3 KB From: 'Owens, James' Date: Thu Jul 11, 2002 3:36 pm Subject: Physiological effect of sound (was: Shivers) John Vertical wrote:[mailto:johnvertical@h...] While I'm at it: What is the cause of all these shivers? I wonder whether it's a case of complex emotion systems or simply an aestetical stimulus-response? Ie: could it be possible to intentionally compose / create something which would shiver any given human being? I'm not referring to a seriously-out-of-tune violin, something more structural instead. What do you think? _________________________________________________________________ Certainly there are specific pitches, volume levels, etc. that have definite physiological effects. It is possible, for instance, to find the resonant frequency of a particular bone. I posted a while back about a musical instrument created by Craig Huxley called the 'Blaster Beam' (this instrument is responsible for the trademark 'Cloud Theme' from Star Trek The Motion Picture). As a reminder, the Blaster Beam is a rather long aluminum beam strung with piano wires and electric guitar pick-ups. It makes a phenomenal sound when struck. Anyway, there have been many reports of direct physiological effects from people listening to the Beam played live. Supposedly some women were even reporting having orgasms from the sound! I definitely think it's possible to compose music/sounds that have marked physiological effects. However, you would need to be listening under the right circumstances. For instance, one of the key changes in the 'jubilant' section of 'Valley of the Sun' hits a particular chord that sends the shivers down my spine. However, if I'm listening in a noisy car/house, using sub-standard equiment, or just have the stereo volume too low, I won't get that sensation. Another definite shiver that I would consider physiological is Toccata from Organ Symphony No. 5 by Widor. If I listen to this at home on my stereo it sounds good and I really enjoy it (I have a fairly nice system with rich and deep bass - 15' Cerwin Vega speakers). HOWEVER, I had the opportunity to hear it performed live. And this was not just sitting in the audience, I was actually up in the choir loft right in front of the pipes! When the organist got to the last section, he pulled out the 32-foot stop (the BIG bass pipe!). The feeling is almost indescribable. Until then, I was just listening to the music, but suddenly I was IN the music - like floating in a jacuzzi of music. That feeling was definitely physiological. I rather think that Widor had just that feeling in mind when he created it. James Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34796 Re: Physiological effect of sound (was: Shivers) Jim Moore Thu 7/11/2002 2 KB From: Liondream@a... Date: Thu Jul 11, 2002 3:51 pm Subject: Shiver Me Timbers This is a great thread everyone!!! My TD shiver moments off the top of my head... White Eagle (the song) Unicorn Theme (which I suspect may have been the intent!) Beginning of Tangram The part on the second half of Stratosfear (the album) when we build up into the cool/fast sequence... the part with the cool mixing where the sound comes out of the speakers first on one channel then on the next and swirls around behind you. The bit on Poland (Tangents?) where it's just a basic repeating sequence that gets built up with more sequences until the (pro one? prophet?) lead kicks in and then it breaks down again. Prime Time the moment when we go into the low sequence interlude about 60% of the way through. Sorry for the vagueness here... I'm at work and can't reference specific titles/times right now, and I've been listening to just about 99% TD over the past couple months so it's all just a swirl of bubbles inside my head. I can provide specifics later if anybody really cares to know. :-) I think it would be most interesting to hear a parallel 'what makes you cringe' thread at some point. From: 'vic rek' Date: Thu Jul 11, 2002 5:38 pm Subject: Official Contest Results for My Website Debut A big thanks to all for visiting my website at www.ricochetdream.com I had some nice comments along with some constructive ones for improving the web site. I really appreciate your responses. Now to the contest... Here are the responses that I received (ordered by time received): 1: (HH) 'If I'd meet Edgar I would ask him if he has ever considered releasing a large unreleased live & studio box like Klaus Schulze's manager did a couple of years ago :-)' 2: (FY) 'What I would ask Edgar if I could meet him is what is his metaphorical view of the (or his) world whilst composing music in TaDream.' 3: (RF) 'What would I ask Edgar: How do you compose?, is it Rhythm first or melody/chord sequence? 4: (RB) 'and i would ask edgar why he never toured in switzerland. lol ;)' 5: (JS) 'Edgar, when a fan comes up to you and asks you a question, whats the one question you wish he would ask?' 6: (UE) '...I would ask him, if I could keep from blithering on about how much his music means to me, if he would clarify the origin of the name 'Tangerine Dream'. 7: (AT) 'I'd ask Edgar how he keeps his thin long hair in shape. ;-)' 8: (MH) 'If I met Edgar by chance, I think I'd ask him 'Do you want to come back to my place for a cup of tea?' That way, if he said 'yes', I could ask him all the other things!' 9: (RG) 'I would ask Edgar when coud we expect to see hima dn the rest of the gang in the USA for the second part of Inferno.' 10: (AM) ''You once said that travelling inspired a lot of TD music - is there any one place or country that you consider was (or is) the most inspirational ?' 11: (JM) '...but I'd ask him if he still had Linda Spa's phone number... Seriously, I'd ask Edgar where the nearest pub would be and offer to buy him a pint of his favorite beer!' OK - this makes up the official entry list of 11, but here are a few more: 12: (PF) 'I'd ask Edgar what the first thing he would release would be if Virgin gave him back the rights to release what he wanted...' 13: (JO) 'I'd ask Edgar if he (and Jerome?) would be willing to jam with the other musicians at a future Ricochet Gathering!' 14: (JW) 'Wiem - kiedy przygotuje odswietny koncert w jednym ze starych skladów... mogli by sie panowie dogadac i przygotowac super widowisko w starym dobrym stylu...' (Polish translation says: 'It would be nice if the old line-up would speak with each other and put on a historic retro concert'.) And the WINNER IS: (drum roll please...) #8 - Marion Horrod - She will receive the rare Ukrainian Bootleg CD titled 'Golden Collection'. And I've decided to chose a RUNNER UP, and he is: #7 - Armin Theissen - He will receive the 'Okefenokee Dreams 2001' CD. Thanks to all that participated. VicRek www.ricochetdream.com From: 'vic rek' Date: Thu Jul 11, 2002 6:24 pm Subject: U-Bhf Eisenacher Strasse The winning question of my contest is: > 8: (MH) 'If I met Edgar by chance, I think I'd ask him 'Do you want to come > back to my place for a cup of tea?' That way, if he said 'yes', I could ask > him all the other things!' Now, please don't stop sending me questions you'd ask Edgar at the U-Bahn station. I'm still receiving some and compiling them. I guess I should be a team player too and put up my question, but I would only ask this at the 'Eisenacher Strasse' Station in Berlin. 'Sir, do you know where the TDI Headquarters is located?' Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34792 Re: U-Bhf Eisenacher Strasse Paul Lawler Thu 7/11/2002 3 KB From: 'Paul Lawler' Date: Thu Jul 11, 2002 6:29 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] U-Bhf Eisenacher Strasse I would have asked him were the rest of the Village people were :) ----- Original Message ----- From: 'vic rek' To: 'TD List' Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 7:24 PM Subject: [tadream] U-Bhf Eisenacher Strasse > The winning question of my contest is: > > > 8: (MH) 'If I met Edgar by chance, I think I'd ask him 'Do you want to > come > > back to my place for a cup of tea?' That way, if he said 'yes', I could > ask > > him all the other things!' > > Now, please don't stop sending me questions you'd ask Edgar at the U-Bahn > station. > I'm still receiving some and compiling them. > > I guess I should be a team player too and put up my question, but I would > only ask this at the 'Eisenacher Strasse' Station in Berlin. > > 'Sir, do you know where the TDI Headquarters is located?' > > Vic > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Thu Jul 11, 2002 5:59 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Shivers Dan said: >Why so Puritanical? So much of classical music if >effected by the individual performers and conductors >interpretation of the score that many recording >probably don't sound the way the composer origianlly >intended. There is a Netherlands-based orchestra which plays baroque music with the instruments of the time, and the way it was originally intended. They study the books the composers wrote about how you should play the violin, for example; they study the book Mozart's father used (wrote?) to teach him, etc. It's an interesting approach, I think, and they try to bring to the people today the music as it was played and heard centuries ago. The orchestra is now some 20 years old, always with the same musicians from many different countries, including a Brazilian flutist. Now I don't know the name of the orchestra. (duh!!) GJ np. ...Bedzie Tajemnica, Ankh's 3rd album. Fantastic Polish band. just discovered them. Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... From: Rogelio Cavazosjr Date: Thu Jul 11, 2002 9:46 pm Subject: Tangerine Dream ================================================ ~~~~~Electronic Music For Electronic Minds~~~~~~ ================================================ Tangerine Dream: Pergamon Tangerine Dream: Phaedra Tangerine Dream: Rubycon Edgar Froese: Stuntman Edgar Froese: Ages Edgar Froese: Macula Transfer Paradise Connection: Paradise Connection Electric Universe: One Love Astral Projection: Another World Galaxy: Angel ================================================ ~~~Please contact me if you are interested in~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~exchanging electronic music~~~~~~~~~~~ ================================================ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Fri Jul 12, 2002 6:20 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Shivers The passage in Comet's Figure Head between 3'05' and 3'53' turns me into a quivering mess. Thank God for the power of even the simplest of melodies. Just sublime. - Chris From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Thu Jul 11, 2002 11:58 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Physiological effect of sound (was: Shivers) From: Owens, James [mailto:james.owens@m...] >I posted a while back about a musical instrument created by Craig Huxley called the 'Blaster Beam' (this instrument is responsible for the trademark 'Cloud Theme' from Star Trek The Motion Picture). A bit of Geek Trivia: Craig Huxley played Kirk's nephew in one of the episode of the original series... Back to the Dream! - jim From: 'Jeffrey Au Yeung' Date: Fri Jul 12, 2002 2:28 am Subject: Off-topic: Laserjet / Inkjet Labels Hello everyone Sorry for this completely off-topic, I need some information and see if you can provide. I need to know popular brands and retail prices of laserjet/inkjet labels being used in different countries. They are usually packaged in 1 box of 100 sheets. If your company or yourself use any such things, please contact me off-list. I need the info only. Many Thanks Jeffrey _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From: Marko Marin Date: Fri Jul 12, 2002 7:41 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Shivers --- John Vertical wrote: > Okayy, here comes a rather long list of TD pieces... > Plenty of these require > a specific mood, but all can be re-experienced. > 1. Alpha Centauri (outro) > 2. Birth of Liquid Plejades (when the first synth > lines enter around 4 mins) > 3. Atem (the last 5 minutes) > 4. Rubycon Part I (from about 12'00' to 13'30') > 5. Ricochet Part II (in general) > 6. Soundmill Navigator / Birth of a Black Hole (the > sequencers' fadeout) > 7. Scale Deluxe (in general) > 8. Indolent Annihilation (outro) > 9. Cherokee Lane (around 8-9 and 13-14 mins) > 10. Madrigal Meridian (outro) > 11. Cloudburst Flight (guitar climax) > 12. Through Metamorphic Rocks (main sequence > beginning) > 13. Quichotte Part 1 (flute section) > 14. Tangram Set 1 (glitters around 4 mins) > 15. Kiew Mission (climax) > 16. Remote Viewing (outro) > 17. Logos ('blue part' ending) > 18. Mojave Plan (mid-screech) > 19. White Eagle (outro) > 20. Horizon (the section from 6 mins onward & last > two minutes) > 21. Valley of the Sun > 22. Song Of The Whale Part II (guitarsolo) > 23. Livemiles (Albuquerque Concert) (bridge into > 'San Buena Ventura') > 24. Livemiles (West Berlin Concert) (Dolphin Dance > in general) > > John Vertical You don't listen anything else but TD, right? Perhaps in time you will be cured from that sickness... ;-) No, really! Try something different sometimes! Regards, Marko Marin ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34807 Re: Shivers omegatransfinito Fri 7/12/2002 3 KB From: Marko Marin Date: Fri Jul 12, 2002 7:46 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Shivers --- mikael.jussila@p... wrote: > Yup, it seems like Ol' Unca Bob gives me a lot of > shivers. > > *Fornit Some Fornus* > MJUSSILA A little question... What do you mean with that last sentence exactly? Have you done something we should know about? ;-) Regards, Marko Marin ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From: Marko Marin Date: Fri Jul 12, 2002 7:53 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Shivers --- John Vertical wrote: > >Tangerine Dream - Poland (the piano section) > Did I miss something? I don't remember a piano > section anywhere on the > album, let alone the title track. Is this possibly a > reference to the > keyboard intro? Doesn't sound like piano to me. > > While I'm at it: What is the cause of all these > shivers? I wonder whether > it's a case of complex emotion systems or simply an > aestetical > stimulus-response? > Ie: could it be possible to intendly (spelling?) > compose / create something > which would shiver any given human being? I'm not > referring to a > seriously-out-of-tune violin, something more > structural instead. > What do you think? > > John Vertical > np:Poland 10.50 (Nope, no piano spotted yet) I quess that it depends what do you like and what you don't like. For instance the most stuff from Hans Zimmer (especially the action packed military action music) is just a lot of noise for my parents and for me it's entertaining music. So it's about your musical taste... I don't remeber any piano part, but I will check it. Regards, Marko Marin ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From: Marko Marin Date: Fri Jul 12, 2002 7:58 am Subject: Re: [tadream] OT Vangelis (was Albedo 0.39) It seems that his stuff from 70's I either like really much or I don't like it at all. Spiral leaves me cold. Heaven And Hell is very good. And so on. The stuff from 80's and 90's is another matter. I think I like most of them (Blade Runner, Soil Festivities, Direct, 1492 and Mythodea). Regards, Marko Marin ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From: 'Brian Stewart' Date: Fri Jul 12, 2002 8:15 am Subject: Re: [tadream] CD Request - I have been looking for a while now for the Castle Communication Remasters (1996) of Electronic Meditation, Alpha Centauri and Zeit. ----------- Hi http://www.101cd.com/ Lists all these titles with Castle numbers. I've recently replaced my copies of Alpha Centauri, Poland & Ricochet from them after a drunken passenger mistook my car window for its glove comparment & lost a folder of CDs. They list some imports & Vinyl too. Best wishes Brian _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From: 'colin anderson' Date: Fri Jul 12, 2002 8:21 am Subject: Re: Shivers I get goosebumps more than shivers, more often than not during live shows and strangely, during intros, outros and bridge sections e.g: Shepherds Bush 2001: Outro of Comets Figure Head thru' to Cool at Heart First ten seconds of The Midnight Trail Outro of Primetime Outro of Outland thru to Timesquare and then helluva goosebumps all the way from the last half minute of Astrophobia thru to Beauty of the Blast Tournado 1997: Outro of Touchwood thru to Towards the Evening Star Edinburgh Playhouse 1986: The outro - especially the 'flutey' sound - at the end of the Statosfear segment right thru' to, and including, the next slower segment The slow, dark segment before the piano segment Otherwise: Edgar and Paul on guitar on stage at Edinburgh Playhouse 1986 Edgar on guitar on stage at Glasgow Apollo 1981 Cool at Heart, Shepherds Bush Empire 2001 Zen Garden End of Timesquare How about toe-curling TD moments for the next discussion? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Armin Theissen Date: Fri Jul 12, 2002 8:48 am Subject: TD while pregnant Hi, welcome to a new thread ;-) My soon-to-be wife is pregnant ;-) and we know that in a few weeks the embryo will already be able to hear. We got a CD which features some everyday noises and music, and how it is perceived from inside the womb. Amazing stuff! You've got Beethoven's 5th, 'Oh Fortuna' from the Carmina Burana, 'The Moldau' of Dvorcak (don't know english spelling), Debussy's 'Prelude... of a Faun', the Sabre Dance of Kachaturian (again spelling...) and some more. The inside-womb sound has high frequencies cut off, some flanger-like modulation, a throbbing heart-beat on top and the noises of flowing liquid. Amazing. The heart-beat sound resembles very very very much the throbbing sounds in 'Origin of Supernatural Probabilities'... What I wanted to throw into the round: What TD music would you play for an unborn child???? We're going to play a lot of music (not just TD, of course - we already got into the mood with Schubert Lieder, Aziza Mustafa Zadeh's piano, and Klaus Schulze's 'Crystal Lake' from 'Mirage'...) Waiting for your views cheers armin ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34805 Re: TD while pregnant Paul Lawler Fri 7/12/2002 2 KB 34806 Re: OT: June 13th TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak Fri 7/12/2002 3 KB 34812 Re: OT: June 13th fozziebear Fri 7/12/2002 2 KB 34818 Re: OT: June 13th vic rek Sat 7/13/2002 2 KB 34808 Re: TD while pregnant omegatransfinito Fri 7/12/2002 2 KB 34838 Re: TD while pregnant Marko Marin Tue 7/16/2002 2 KB 34811 Re: TD while pregnant fozziebear Fri 7/12/2002 3 KB 34817 TD while pregnant tei waz Fri 7/12/2002 2 KB 34859 Re: TD while pregnant Joe Shoults Wed 7/17/2002 2 KB From: 'Paul Lawler' Date: Fri Jul 12, 2002 10:34 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TD while pregnant ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Armin Theissen' To: Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 9:48 AM Subject: [tadream] TD while pregnant > > > > What I wanted to throw into the round: What TD music would you > play for an unborn child???? > How about 'Embryo' by Mark Shreeve :) suddenly having broadband and being online all the time has turned me into this !!! Paul Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34806 Re: OT: June 13th TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak Fri 7/12/2002 3 KB 34812 Re: OT: June 13th fozziebear Fri 7/12/2002 2 KB 34818 Re: OT: June 13th vic rek Sat 7/13/2002 2 KB 34808 Re: TD while pregnant omegatransfinito Fri 7/12/2002 2 KB 34838 Re: TD while pregnant Marko Marin Tue 7/16/2002 2 KB From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak Date: Fri Jul 12, 2002 1:40 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: June 13th Hi Folks, just in case anyone´s interested and/or attending: I´ll be playing the ZILLO-Festival with my band Sepulcrum Mentis at airport Hahn / Hunsrück (near Frankfurt am Main) tomorrow, July 13th, 2002, at 8:30 p.m. on the newcomer stage. Also playing at the festival will be acts like The Cure, the Mission, Madrugada, Subway to Sally, Justin Sullivan, etc. So, if anyone´s interested or into that type of thing, I hope I´ll see you there... ;-) Just meet me after the show or at the autograph booth at 3 p.m. Now back to the on topic... ;-) Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: www.tdimusic.com Have a nice day! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34812 Re: OT: June 13th fozziebear Fri 7/12/2002 2 KB 34818 Re: OT: June 13th vic rek Sat 7/13/2002 2 KB From: 'omegatransfinito' Date: Fri Jul 12, 2002 3:50 pm Subject: Re: Shivers > You don't listen anything else but TD, right? Perhaps > in time you will be cured from that sickness... ;-) > No, really! Try something different sometimes! No no no. That was just a brief list of TD shiverers. (I could think of a few dozen minorer ones more, but...) There're definitely others, too - like Jarre's Oxygene Part 2 and Michael Hoening's Departure from the Northern Wasteland. But I do suffer from a sort of monotonesia; I'm rather shy at finding new artists. My music collection includes, besides TD, only 10 or so other artists. Music has been a hobby for me only for about two years, and I'm a bit mean, so collecting TD & co. has been enough so far. It'll change in the future, I'm sure - my dad has a gigantic collection of music, mainly prog, but also other stuff, so I do know where could I check for new artists. :-) John Vertical PS: I just noticed that the list's posts appear in my mailbox several hours late. Darn Yahoo. From: 'omegatransfinito' Date: Fri Jul 12, 2002 4:03 pm Subject: Re: TD while pregnant > > What I wanted to throw into the round: What TD music would you > > play for an unborn child???? > > A tough question, I don't remember anymore what my musical tastes were at that time :-P But I'd have to suggest Phaedra (suits probably well with the heartbeat) and Tangram Part 1 (they say that playing classical music makes your child smart; this is the closest to classical from TD IMHO) John Vertical Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34838 Re: TD while pregnant Marko Marin Tue 7/16/2002 2 KB From: Morgan Feldon Date: Fri Jul 12, 2002 4:50 pm Subject: Something other than TD? :) >Marko said: > >You don't listen anything else but TD, right? Perhaps >in time you will be cured from that sickness... ;-) >No, really! Try something different sometimes! > >Regards, >Marko Marin For the longest time, I listened to samples of other people's music but really only found Tangerine Dream compelling. In fact, I'd given up on the idea that there was other music I'd really get attached to. Then I heard the Okefenokee 2000 CD. Now, these artists get heavy play around here: Free System Project AirSculpture Kubusschnitt Lakveet - Scab Star Sounds Orchestra Wavestar Mark Shreeve Arcane I hope Airwave puts out a CD soon. :) -Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34839 Re: Something other than TD? :) Marko Marin Tue 7/16/2002 3 KB 35110 Re: Something other than TD? :) Paul Dryden Thu 8/1/2002 4 KB From: 'Owens, James' Date: Fri Jul 12, 2002 6:13 pm Subject: Comet's Figure Head (was: Shivers) I really wish there was a reprise of that section somewhere. It's absolutely spectacular! James -----Original Message----- The passage in Comet's Figure Head between 3'05' and 3'53' turns me into a quivering mess. Thank God for the power of even the simplest of melodies. Just sublime. - Chris From: 'fozziebear' Date: Fri Jul 12, 2002 6:05 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD while pregnant Armin said My soon-to-be wife is pregnant, what music would you play for an unborn child???? Don't play David Bowie My wife always wanted to see him. Although she was heavily pregnant she insisted that she come with me to see him on the Glass Spider tour. A few songs into the show she told me she was going to the bathroom. But she seemed to be gone a long time. When she got back she told me she had got lost in the stadium. After the show she told me the truth. She got so excited that the paramedics thought she had gone into labour. They wanted to take her to hospital. She told them there was no way she was going to miss DB do Let's Dance and she watched the rest of the show. Well that was the first of several false alarms we had including my having to walk out in the middle of court cases. My wife has seen TD with me. She likes the music but is not too keen on the show. Daughter comes with me to see TD and is insistent on seeing Inferno when the show comes to London. Both of them read my TD posts so I will have to hit delete quick before I get killed for this one. David From: 'fozziebear' Date: Fri Jul 12, 2002 6:33 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: June 13th Martin said Hi Folks, just in case anyone´s interested and/or attending: I´ll be playing the ZILLO-Festival with my band Sepulcrum Mentis at airport Hahn / Hunsrück (near Frankfurt am Main) tomorrow, July 13th, 2002, at 8:30 p.m. on the newcomer stage. Martin do you sing or play an instrument? David From: Wade Gordon Date: Fri Jul 12, 2002 9:05 pm Subject: off topic- 'Sound Explorer.' Has anyone out there heard my new radio program called 'Sound Explorer?' Right now it is available for free on the web on the www.lougentile.com website. I value your opinion. Wade __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34819 Re: off topic- 'Sound Explorer.' Mark Filipak Sat 7/13/2002 3 KB 34824 Re: off topic- 'Sound Explorer.' Wade Gordon Sat 7/13/2002 3 KB 34866 Re: off topic- 'Sound Explorer.' Adele Outland Thu 7/18/2002 3 KB 34875 Re: off topic- 'Sound Explorer.' Wade Gordon Thu 7/18/2002 3 KB From: 'duncan mckee' Date: Fri Jul 12, 2002 9:17 pm Subject: new castle issues hi just been looking on amazon and found these Alpha Centuri - Catalogue Number: CMRCD566 release sept 2002 http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00006AG9K/qid=1026508187/sr=1-12/ref=s\ r_1_3_12/026-4679810-8289222 Electronic Meditation - Catalogue Number: CMRCD565 release sept 2002 http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00006AG9J/qid=1026508187/sr=1-13/ref=s\ r_1_3_13/026-4679810-8289222 it looks like they plan to release all the 96 castle issues again Thank You. Duncan McKee tangram@t... www.tadream.co.uk www.tangerine-dream.co.uk ICQ 41739379 MSN Messenger dmckee20@h... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34815 Re: new castle issues Wade Gordon Fri 7/12/2002 3 KB From: Wade Gordon Date: Fri Jul 12, 2002 9:27 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] new castle issues Duncan, Is the new T.Dream box set out yet in the UK? Also, have you had a chance to hear my radio program at the www.lougentile.com site yet? Wade --- duncan mckee wrote: > hi > just been looking on amazon and found these > Alpha Centuri - Catalogue Number: CMRCD566 release > sept 2002 > http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00006AG9K/qid=1026508187/sr=1-12/ref=s\ r_1_3_12/026-4679810-8289222 > > Electronic Meditation - Catalogue Number: CMRCD565 > release sept 2002 > http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00006AG9J/qid=1026508187/sr=1-13/ref=s\ r_1_3_13/026-4679810-8289222 > > it looks like they plan to release all the 96 castle > issues again > > > > Thank You. > > Duncan McKee > > tangram@t... > > www.tadream.co.uk > www.tangerine-dream.co.uk > ICQ 41739379 > MSN Messenger dmckee20@h... > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! 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Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From: 'tei waz' Date: Fri Jul 12, 2002 11:33 pm Subject: now Craig Huxley was RE: [tadream] Physiological effect of sound (was: Shivers) >A bit of Geek Trivia: Craig Huxley played Kirk's nephew in one of the >episode of the original series.... furthering the geek trivia--Craig was also in two episodes of 'Bewitched'--in one episode he portrayed 'merle brocken' and his father 'walter brocken' was played by james doohan aka the actor who play 'Scotty' on the original star trek series.... --T _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From: 'tei waz' Date: Fri Jul 12, 2002 11:46 pm Subject: TD while pregnant well, thinking ahead, you can always play Mickey Hart's 'Music to Be Born By _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From: 'vic rek' Date: Sat Jul 13, 2002 1:13 am Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: June 13th > Martin do you sing or play an instrument? Martin is a singer. He sounds a lot like David Bowie to me. From: Mark Filipak Date: Sat Jul 13, 2002 2:03 am Subject: Re: [tadream] off topic- 'Sound Explorer.' Hi Wade! Wade Gordon wrote: > > Has anyone out there heard my new radio program called > 'Sound Explorer?' > > Right now it is available for free on the web on the > www.lougentile.com website. > > I value your opinion. I found your write up. For the last 18 years Wade Gordon has produced the number one rated and number two rated radio programs in the Orlando, Melbourne, and Tampa, Florida markets repectively, and now is introducing a new radio program entitled 'Sound Explorer.' The radio program will trace the humble origins of synthesizers to the digital glory of today. The program will mainly dwell on the analog sound and delve into the music from televison and motion pictures. He will take you on a 'Sound Exploration' of the world and the universe which enfolds. 'The Global Village' which was Mr. Gordon's most successful radio program had its theme song written by 'Peru'. I couldn't find how to listen to your show. Ciao -- Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34824 Re: off topic- 'Sound Explorer.' Wade Gordon Sat 7/13/2002 3 KB From: 'Alan Miller' Date: Sat Jul 13, 2002 12:05 pm Subject: Spare TT 1 Available If anyone on the Tangerine Tree 1 database is out on a limb (so to speak) and has not received a set yet or anyone who was not on the list but nows wants this fantastic piece of TD history - I can help as it seems I now have a spare set. Contact me off-list (off course) Alan From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Sat Jul 13, 2002 12:23 pm Subject: New Castle issues Duncan said: That's going to _really_ hurt some of your guys' pocket books, Vic.... 8-D Sorry, but I couldn't help myself as usual. 8-\ 8-) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34822 Re: New Castle issues René Brenner Sat 7/13/2002 3 KB 34833 Re: New Castle issues braddito Mon 7/15/2002 2 KB From: René Brenner Date: Sat Jul 13, 2002 1:45 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] New Castle issues Well... what would be the reason? New remastering techniques? Or just re-release out of print issues. On Sat, Jul 13, 2002 at 06:23:03 -0600, Frank Arellano wrote: > Duncan said: > > > > That's going to _really_ hurt some of your guys' pocket books, Vic.... 8-D Sorry, but I couldn't help myself as usual. 8-\ 8-) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34833 Re: New Castle issues braddito Mon 7/15/2002 2 KB From: 'sequentc' Date: Sun Jul 14, 2002 2:49 am Subject: Castle Communications re-issues Castle Communications over the last 18-24 months they have been re-leasing systematically many of their more major releases in the 'miniature LP replicas on CD - All prefect reproductions of the original vinyl releases'...(which are very nice!!) possibly they have now reached 'T' ..............I checked http://www.sanctuarygroup.com but there is no info forthcoming. Be warned although previous releases have not been limited editions.... these 'replicas' tend to disappear quite quickly and don't always re-surface that easy.....he...he...he..Not that I am trying to create a stampede here..... but quite probably expect all the Tangerine Dream releases on Castle communications to be re-released as Miniature LP replicas complete with cardboard sleeves artwork ....a 'replica' style CD and lyric sheet if applicable etc etc?! Previously 'replicas' have not tended to be remastered.... but who know???? Con31 ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Frank Arellano' <>To: Duncan said:> > > > That's going to _really_ hurt some of your guys' pocket books, Vic.... 8-D Sorry, but I couldn't help myself as usual. 8-\ 8-) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34825 Re: Castle Communications re-issues vic rek Sat 7/13/2002 3 KB 34826 Re: Castle Communications re-issues Gustavo Jobim Sat 7/13/2002 2 KB 34827 Re: Castle Communications re-issues vic rek Sun 7/14/2002 2 KB 34828 Re: Castle Communications re-issues Paul Fellows Sun 7/14/2002 2 KB From: Wade Gordon Date: Sat Jul 13, 2002 7:25 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] off topic- 'Sound Explorer.' All you have to do is just go to www.lougentile.com and click on the listen now. Next week archives will be available and by the way, this is free. Wade Next, Monday I will premiere the Vic Rek Tangerine Dream complilation. --- Mark Filipak wrote: > Hi Wade! > > Wade Gordon wrote: > > > > Has anyone out there heard my new radio program > called > > 'Sound Explorer?' > > > > Right now it is available for free on the web on > the > > www.lougentile.com website. > > > > I value your opinion. > > I found your write up. > > For the last 18 years Wade Gordon has produced > the number one rated > and number two rated radio programs in the > Orlando, Melbourne, and > Tampa, Florida markets repectively, and now is > introducing a new > radio program entitled 'Sound Explorer.' The > radio program will > trace the humble origins of synthesizers to the > digital glory of > today. The program will mainly dwell on the > analog sound and delve > into the music from televison and motion > pictures. He will take you > on a 'Sound Exploration' of the world and the > universe which enfolds. > 'The Global Village' which was Mr. Gordon's most > successful radio > program had its theme song written by 'Peru'. > > I couldn't find how to listen to your show. > > Ciao -- Mark > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com From: 'vic rek' Date: Sat Jul 13, 2002 8:11 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Castle Communications re-issues I had a strange package arrive at my doorstep today. It is the new 3 CD box set 'Journey Through a Burning Brain (Anthology)'. The press release said it is not out on the streets until July 15th. If you want to see what this cover looks lke, go to http://www.ricochetdream.com/journey.jpg > Be warned although previous releases have not been limited editions.... these 'replicas' tend to disappear quite quickly and don't always re-surface that easy.....he...he...he..Not that I am trying to create a stampede here..... but quite probably expect all the Tangerine Dream releases on Castle communications to be re-released as Miniature LP replicas complete with cardboard sleeves artwork ....a 'replica' style CD and lyric sheet if applicable etc etc?! > Con31 See, there is always a good reason to look for a re-release :-) > From: 'Frank Arellano' > It looks like they plan t release all the 96 castle issues again. >> > That's going to _really_ hurt some of your guys' pocket books, Vic.... Yes, I guess myself and a few others on this list will want to get the next re-releases even though we probably don't need them - NOT - of course we do! We are proud Tangerine Dream Collectors!!! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34826 Re: Castle Communications re-issues Gustavo Jobim Sat 7/13/2002 2 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sat Jul 13, 2002 9:03 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Castle Communications re-issues Sorry for the one-liner, but I just had to say this... how damn ugly! >I had a strange package arrive at my doorstep today. >It is the new 3 CD box set 'Journey Through a Burning Brain (Anthology)'. >If you want to see what this cover looks lke... Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... From: 'vic rek' Date: Sun Jul 14, 2002 3:04 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Castle Communications re-issues From: Gustavo Jobim > Sorry for the one-liner, but I just had to say this... > > how damn ugly! I have just updated this image showing the box and partial views of all 3 CDs. Go to the bottom of my page at www.ricochetdream.com/music.html Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34828 Re: Castle Communications re-issues Paul Fellows Sun 7/14/2002 2 KB From: Paul Fellows Date: Sun Jul 14, 2002 9:42 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Castle Communications re-issues on 14/07/02 5:04, vic rek at tangerinedream@a... wrote: > From: Gustavo Jobim > >> Sorry for the one-liner, but I just had to say this... >> >> how damn ugly! > > I have just updated this image showing the box and partial views of all 3 > CDs. > Go to the bottom of my page at www.ricochetdream.com/music.html http://www.groove.nl/cd/7/76001.html has the track listing Paul From: Date: Sun Jul 14, 2002 11:22 am Subject: KS items for trade or sale Hello, I have following Klaus Schulze Vinyl items for trade or sale !!! If you interested in any items of my list please contact me off_list. thank you. Regards heiko email: heiko@o... www.tribute-to-ashra.de www.opticaldream.de FREE ASHRA NEWSLETTER subcribe here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ashranewsletter All vinlys: - Dune / BRAIN 0060.225 / 1979 / orange label / m-/m- - Moondawn / Ariola 27 556-1 / Spain 1976 / vg-/vg- - Transfer / IC 80014 / 1981 / vg+/vg+ - Angst / Inteam ID 20.003 / 1984 / m-/m- - Irrlicht / Clemtine CLE 33005 / France 1972 / foc / vg+/vg+ - Mirage / BRAIN 60.040 / 1977 / foc / m-/m- - ...Live... / BRAIN 0080.048 / foc / 2LP / incl. Poster / m/m- - Miditerranean Pads / Thunderbolt THBL 081 / UK / still sealed - Go Too / Arista AB 4138 / 1977 / USA / Promo --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ----------------------------- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'heineu' Date: Sun Jul 14, 2002 12:06 pm Subject: tradelist update !!! Hello Guys, I add 19 items to my tardelist, please jump to: http://www.opticaldream.de/dream/tradelist.htm Thank you. Regards heiko - Mr. Optical www.opticaldream.de From: 'heineu' Date: Sun Jul 14, 2002 12:09 pm Subject: tradelist update again sorry at my last email was a little type error in the URL. this is the right adress: http://www.opticaldream.de/dream/Tradelist.htm Regards Heiko - Mr. Optical http://www.opticaldream.de From: Morgan Feldon Date: Sun Jul 14, 2002 10:59 pm Subject: Okefenokee 2002 Boy, Dell was right. By taking over a month to get my Okefenokee 2002 website going, I doomed it to a very limited audience. For anyone who's been looking for something to do, please visit the Okefenokee 2002 website and check out the photos, stories, music samples, and video preview of the forthcoming Okefenokee 2002 DVD. http://www.feldoncentral.com/oke2002/ I've just received a pack of nice photos from Robert G. and am expecting more from Carlo R. soon. These will be up on the website in the next week hopefully. -Morgan np. Danger: Live! From: 'braddito' Date: Mon Jul 15, 2002 9:41 am Subject: Re: New Castle issues Does anyone know if Castle own the rights to 'Epsilon In Malaysian Pale' and 'Macula Transfer' ? I'd love to own those two on remastered CD. Toby --- In tadream@y..., René Brenner wrote: > Well... what would be the reason? New remastering techniques? Or just > re-release out of print issues. From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Mon Jul 15, 2002 6:47 pm Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #277 EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #277 July 11, 2002. RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Robert Carty, who creates ambient and spacemusic from his unique perspective. The Featured CD at midnight was 'Energy' on the Deep Sky label. Plus, the show ran an extra hour, just because it could! The Vinyl Starter was from the LP 'Body Love Vol. 2' by Klaus Schulze on the Brain label. Robert Carty http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2002/focus02.html#jul PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Klaus Schulze Moogetique Body Love Vol. 2 (Brain) Vir Unis and Kinetic Center Thermal Transfer (Binary) Saul Stokes Vir Unis and Stroboscopic Thermal Transfer (Binary) Saul Stokes Vir Unis and Replicants in Orbit Thermal Transfer (Binary) Saul Stokes Ministry of Inside Set One * Soundscapes Concert #2 (none) Things Ron Boots Forgotten Memories Liquid Structures in Solid Form (Groove) 12:00 am Robert Carty Up from the Depths Energy (Deep Sky) Robert Carty Rolling View Energy (Deep Sky) Robert Carty Contemplating Horizon Energy (Deep Sky) Robert Carty Moving Towards You Energy (Deep Sky) Robert Carty Evening Vibrations Energy (Deep Sky) Robert Carty Energy Energy (Deep Sky) Robert Carty New Touch Energy (Deep Sky) 1:00 am VA [Kubusschnitt] Vantage Trick Beyond Me (Neu Harmony) VA [Dave Fulton] Falling Away Beyond Me (Neu Harmony) VA [Synthetic Block] Flash of Attention Beyond Me (Neu Harmony) Paul Ellis Drifting Shards from Into the Liquid Unknown (Binary) an Ice Floe Paul Ellis Luminous Depths in a Into the Liquid Unknown (Binary) Sapphire Sea Paul Ellis Suspended Into the Liquid Unknown (Binary) Paul Ellis The Underground River Into the Liquid Unknown (Binary) VA [Detlef Keller] Different Faces Rehearsal First Decade (Manikin) Dino Pacifici untitled * special cdr (none) 2:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Robert Carty. The Featured CD at Midnight will be 'Midnight Rainbows' on the Deep Sky label. The vinyl show starter will be from the LP 'Aqua' by Edgar Froese on the Brain label. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. Show Sites: http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm Radio Station Web Sites: http://wdiyfm.org http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34843 Re: EMUSIC Playlist #277 Jonathan Holt Tue 7/16/2002 5 KB 34963 Re: EMUSIC Playlist #277 Bill Fox Wed 7/24/2002 2 KB From: 'Conrad Gibbons' Date: Mon Jul 15, 2002 7:01 pm Subject: Tangerine Tree II - Initial thoughts (Even better than the real thing!!!!!!) Hi folks, I am lucky enough to have heard the first 10 discs in the second instalment of the Tangerine Tree project, namely Tangerine Tree II which has been kindly supplied to me by Heiko Heerssen. All I can say is - WOW!!! The set is even better than Tangerine Tree. The highlights for me are: Croydon 1982 (2 disc concert set)- The classic Logos concert virtually complete. Very good sound quality and the unreleased stuff sounds as good as ever. Warsaw 2001 (3 disc concert set) - The sound quality really is superb here and I can't stop playing these disks. The added guitar and extra percussion works very well,and gives a new dimension to the material played. A must have for any fan of recent TD! Newcastle 1981 (2 disc concert set) - Great 2 cd set which includes unreleased material and early development of certain Logos themes - very interesting stuff! also included are: Mannheim 1976 - Quite good sound quality recording giving a good idea of what the concerts of that time were like! London (disk 2 of a 2 cd concert): Again, a good sound quality recording which gives a good idea of what the concerts of that time were like! Musically, I think a lot of fans will prefer Tangerine Tree II to Tangerine Tree, as the concerts are a bit more melodic this time round (IMHO). Anyway, I felt I had to whet your appetites for Tangerine Tree II. If you havn't signed up for it, more the fool you... ;-) Once again, congratulations to Heiko (and everyone involved in providing source material) and to Tangerine Dream for going along with the initiative! ;-) Best regards, Conrad Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34841 Tangerine Tree II - a question braddito Tue 7/16/2002 2 KB 34842 Re: Tangerine Tree II - a question Conrad Gibbons Tue 7/16/2002 3 KB From: thomas.soucheleau@n... Date: Mon Jul 15, 2002 7:26 pm Subject: kraftwerk live Hi, I saw today in the newspaper that Kraftwerk is going to play 2 dates in Paris for a festival of digital creation and new medias. Will it take a festival of medieval literature to get TD to come over here for a show? By the way, the first Inferno concert took place in a festival of 'alter musik' (alter = old or other?), so are the other shows associated with some kind of event or are they 'just regular concerts'? Thomas. ------------------------------------------------------------- NetCourrier, votre bureau virtuel sur Internet : Mail, Agenda, Clubs, Toolbar... Web/Wap : www.netcourrier.com Téléphone/Fax : 08 92 69 00 21 (0,34 € TTC/min) Minitel: 3615 NETCOURRIER (0,15 € TTC/min) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34840 Re: kraftwerk live Peter Ravn Tue 7/16/2002 3 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Tue Jul 16, 2002 7:40 am Subject: Re: [tangerinedream] Tangerine Tree II - Initial thoughts (Even better than the real thing!!!!!!) > I am lucky enough to have heard the first 10 discs in the second instalment > of the Tangerine Tree project, namely Tangerine Tree II which has been > kindly supplied to me by Heiko Heerssen. All I can say is - WOW!!! The set > is even better than Tangerine Tree. Hi Conrad, thanks for the praise (errm..can you please email me off-list and let me know again the exact number of Guinness bottles you wanted to have from me for writing this? ~LOL~) I now have the final versions of all TT#2 discs and by the end of the week I will most likely finish copying them for my branches & leaves. I decided to replace one of the concerts with another one from 1978 (this will reduce the number of CDRs from 15 to 14), details will follow soon. Regards, Heiko From: Marko Marin Date: Tue Jul 16, 2002 7:35 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TD while pregnant --- omegatransfinito wrote: > > > What I wanted to throw into the round: What TD > music would > you > > > play for an unborn child???? > > > > > A tough question, I don't remember anymore what my > musical > tastes were at that time :-P I could remember what my musical taste was at that point but the birth was so traumatic that everything before The Outer World has been wiped out from my mind. From TD... Rubycon of course. (Come on! What did you expect from me! ;-) Regards, Marko Marin ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com From: Marko Marin Date: Tue Jul 16, 2002 7:44 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Something other than TD? :) --- Morgan Feldon wrote: > > >Marko said: > > > >You don't listen anything else but TD, right? > Perhaps > >in time you will be cured from that sickness... ;-) > >No, really! Try something different sometimes! > > > >Regards, > >Marko Marin > > For the longest time, I listened to samples of other > people's music but > really only found Tangerine Dream compelling. In > fact, I'd given up on the > idea that there was other music I'd really get > attached to. > > Then I heard the Okefenokee 2000 CD. > > Now, these artists get heavy play around here: > > Free System Project > AirSculpture > Kubusschnitt > Lakveet - Scab > Star Sounds Orchestra > Wavestar > Mark Shreeve > Arcane > > I hope Airwave puts out a CD soon. :) > > -Morgan Hmmm... I know AirSculpure for sure... Altough I haven't found any of their cd's in the stores here in Finland. I only have couple of Mp3-files. Regards, Marko Marin ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com From: 'Peter Ravn' Date: Tue Jul 16, 2002 8:00 am Subject: Re: [tadream] kraftwerk live Hi Kraftwerk is going to play 3 concerts- 2 of them starting on the same day 20.00 and 23.59. Tickets here: http://www.cite-musique.fr/anglais/_database/cs_m0209.htm Jean Michel Jarre plays AERO in Denmark Sep. 7 - info and tickets http://sites.tv2.dk/aerouk/ I will be there!!! E-Live 2002 will have Neuronium as the star - more info http://www.groove.nl/elive.html Regards, Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 9:26 PM Subject: [tadream] kraftwerk live Hi, I saw today in the newspaper that Kraftwerk is going to play 2 dates in Paris for a festival of digital creation and new medias. Will it take a festival of medieval literature to get TD to come over here for a show? By the way, the first Inferno concert took place in a festival of 'alter musik' (alter = old or other?), so are the other shows associated with some kind of event or are they 'just regular concerts'? Thomas. ------------------------------------------------------------- NetCourrier, votre bureau virtuel sur Internet : Mail, Agenda, Clubs, Toolbar... Web/Wap : www.netcourrier.com Téléphone/Fax : 08 92 69 00 21 (0,34 ? TTC/min) Minitel: 3615 NETCOURRIER (0,15 ? TTC/min) ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'braddito' Date: Tue Jul 16, 2002 4:18 pm Subject: Tangerine Tree II - a question Is the 1982 show really from Croydon ? The Logos album was recorded at the Dominion Theatre in London (I still have my programme and ticket stub) - I suppose they were performing pretty much the same material each show by then so that could be why I'm confused by the 'Logos concert' description. Toby > Croydon 1982 (2 disc concert set)- The classic Logos concert virtually > complete. Very good sound quality and the unreleased stuff sounds as good > as ever. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34842 Re: Tangerine Tree II - a question Conrad Gibbons Tue 7/16/2002 3 KB From: 'Conrad Gibbons' Date: Tue Jul 16, 2002 5:15 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Tangerine Tree II - a question Yes, you are indeed correct - I meant Logos 'material' rather than 'concert'. Hope that clears things up. Also , the London cdr is London 1975 btw. Regards, Conrad -----Original Message----- From: braddito [mailto:toby.braddick@u...] Sent: 16 July 2002 17:18 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] Tangerine Tree II - a question Is the 1982 show really from Croydon ? The Logos album was recorded at the Dominion Theatre in London (I still have my programme and ticket stub) - I suppose they were performing pretty much the same material each show by then so that could be why I'm confused by the 'Logos concert' description. Toby > Croydon 1982 (2 disc concert set)- The classic Logos concert virtually > complete. Very good sound quality and the unreleased stuff sounds as good > as ever. ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Jonathan Holt Date: Tue Jul 16, 2002 5:30 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] EMUSIC Playlist #277 Sounds like a great show... I WANT TO HEAR IT!!! Get streaming and get it now! :-) > PLAYLIST: > > ARTIST TRACK > ALBUM (label) > ======================= ======================== > ============================== > 11:04 pm > Klaus Schulze Moogetique > Body Love Vol. 2 (Brain) > Vir Unis and Kinetic Center > Thermal Transfer (Binary) > Saul Stokes > Vir Unis and Stroboscopic > Thermal Transfer (Binary) > Saul Stokes > Vir Unis and Replicants in Orbit > Thermal Transfer (Binary) > Saul Stokes > Ministry of Inside Set One * > Soundscapes Concert #2 (none) > Things > Ron Boots Forgotten Memories > Liquid Structures in Solid > > Form (Groove) > > 12:00 am > Robert Carty Up from the Depths > Energy (Deep Sky) > Robert Carty Rolling View > Energy (Deep Sky) > Robert Carty Contemplating Horizon > Energy (Deep Sky) > Robert Carty Moving Towards You > Energy (Deep Sky) > Robert Carty Evening Vibrations > Energy (Deep Sky) > Robert Carty Energy > Energy (Deep Sky) > Robert Carty New Touch > Energy (Deep Sky) > > 1:00 am > VA [Kubusschnitt] Vantage Trick > Beyond Me (Neu Harmony) > VA [Dave Fulton] Falling Away > Beyond Me (Neu Harmony) > VA [Synthetic Block] Flash of Attention > Beyond Me (Neu Harmony) > Paul Ellis Drifting Shards from Into > the Liquid Unknown (Binary) > an Ice Floe > Paul Ellis Luminous Depths in a Into > the Liquid Unknown (Binary) > Sapphire Sea > Paul Ellis Suspended Into > the Liquid Unknown (Binary) > Paul Ellis The Underground River Into > the Liquid Unknown (Binary) > VA [Detlef Keller] Different Faces Rehearsal > First Decade (Manikin) > Dino Pacifici untitled * > special cdr (none) > > 2:00 am > > * = exerpt > VA = Various Artists (compilation) > > > NEXT SHOW: > On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long > focus on Robert Carty. The > Featured CD at Midnight will be 'Midnight Rainbows' > on the Deep Sky label. > > The vinyl show starter will be from the LP 'Aqua' by > Edgar Froese on the Brain > label. > > > Bill > =============================================================================== > Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space > music show. Thursdays at > 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and > Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and > Phillipsburg. > Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM > every other Saturday at 6 am. > Show Sites: http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic > http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm > Radio Station Web Sites: http://wdiyfm.org > http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh > Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill > To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and > click on [Join This Group!] > SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ______________________________________________________________________ Post your ad for free now! http://personals.yahoo.ca From: Morgan Feldon Date: Tue Jul 16, 2002 5:37 pm Subject: Croydon 82 >Is the 1982 show really from Croydon ? The Logos album was recorded >at the Dominion Theatre in London (I still have my programme and >ticket stub) - I suppose they were performing pretty much the same >material each show by then so that could be why I'm confused by >the 'Logos concert' description. > >Toby You're right, the Logos album is mostly from the Dominion Theater show in London on Nov 6, 1982. But musically, Croydon 82 is almost identical to what was played at the Logos show. I say mostly above because Logos is 60 minutes long (including the Dominion encore) and excludes: ~20 minutes of unreleased* tracks that were later used in The Soldier or The Keep Choronzon Tangent (3 1/2 min intro) Mojave Plan White Eagle (encore) Midnight in Tula (encore) and the second to last bit of music (from 36:15 - 42:15 if you have the SBM edition) is more reminiscent of the Nov 11 Dusseldorf show. Honestly, it's probably from some show we don't even have a tape of, or re-recorded in the studio. *What Edgar did to these tracks on The Keep (TDI) and Hollywood Years 2 could hardly be considered a proper release. -Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34850 Re: Croydon 82 Armin Theissen Wed 7/17/2002 3 KB 34851 Re: Croydon 82 Conrad Gibbons Wed 7/17/2002 3 KB 34853 Re: Croydon 82 Heiko Heerssen Wed 7/17/2002 2 KB From: Mark Filipak Date: Tue Jul 16, 2002 11:38 pm Subject: 88 US Tour question: Who played the octapad? Hi All! Ralf Wadephul joined with Paul and Edgar for the 88 US 'Atari' tour. Three keyboardists. Who the heck played the octapad? Anyone know or have a photo of the stage setup? Thanks -- Mark (...being driven a little bonkers by this question...) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34847 Re: 88 US Tour question: Who played the octapad? Heiko Heerssen Wed 7/17/2002 2 KB 34848 88 US Tour question: Who played the octapad? tei waz Wed 7/17/2002 3 KB 34854 Re: 88 US Tour question: Who played the octapad? Michael A Jean Wed 7/17/2002 3 KB From: Deb H-J Date: Wed Jul 17, 2002 1:36 am Subject: Re: Shivers I'm a bit late getting in on this thread, but its a good one and I've been thinking about how I would respond. I like the term 'mental orgasm' or 'eargasm' rather than 'shiver' because it comes closer to explaining what I really feel. It's true that some people never experience music this intensely, and I feel sorry for them. These TD music moments give me an eargasm virtually everytime I hear them: 'Horizon' from Poland 'Atem' from Atem 'Orange Breath' (I think that's the title) from Seven Letters from Tibet 'Canzione' from The Keep Soundtrack 'Sungate' from Optical Race 'After the Call' from the Miracle Mile Soundtrack These moments by other EM folks also give me an eargastic shiver (woo-hoo!): 'Premonition of Circular Clouds' from Robert Rich's Bestiary '12:18' from Global Communication's 76:14 'Her Cathedral' from Tim Story's Beguiled 'Suspended...On A Sea of Glass' from Giles Reaves Sea of Glass 'Circles, Part 1' from Kit Watkins's Circles Anyway...that's what comes to mind. For me, one of the best moments at the recent Oke gathering was when a group of us went on a short nature trail, and paused about 10 minutes at a rest spot to listen to the 'natural ambience' of the area. Not a one of us said a thing for that long. We just listened...in this day and age, what a great way to stop and smell the roses (or swamp, in our case). Deb H-J dhj4@y... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Wed Jul 17, 2002 5:58 am Subject: Re: [tadream] 88 US Tour question: Who played the octapad? > Hi All! > > Ralf Wadephul joined with Paul and Edgar for the 88 US 'Atari' tour. > Three keyboardists. Who the heck played the octapad? Anyone know or have > a photo of the stage setup? Wasn't it Paul Haslinger who played the Octapad?..But I could be wrong :-) Heiko From: 'tei waz' Date: Wed Jul 17, 2002 6:31 am Subject: 88 US Tour question: Who played the octapad? Mark asks: >88 US Tour question: Who played the octapad? Well I have two answers for you--the immediate one that comes to mind is no one. I think they were using the Akais for sampling drums by then. The second is--it was difficult to see. I remember the weird metal tubes with ladder-like rungs on 'em--although thinking back perhaps they weren't vertical and the band played back from the front of the stage, so when you combine that with the prolific fog from the machines and the bright lights (may have been intellibeams)--you couldn't see all that much 'playing' except for the guitar solos. They really didn't move around that much. The lighting was more sparse than all the cool theatrical stuff they had on the 1986 tour. Actually, I think Andy Summers did more jumping about just trying to tangle with his array of equipment, so he could play solo as the opening act. Quite different from the jazz show I saw him play about 5 years ago where he had returned to a 3 piece a la The Police with a drummer and a bass player--certainly much more immediate. --T _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34854 Re: 88 US Tour question: Who played the octapad? Michael A Jean Wed 7/17/2002 3 KB From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Wed Jul 17, 2002 7:31 am Subject: TT2 Cover Art For those of you who have asked about the TT2 cover art, the track listings for the tree have just been finalised this morning, and the covers are being updated with the new details. I plan to have them all finished and availabe for downloading from the new Tree cover art website at www.mst3uk.com/tdtree by no later than this Friday. I'll post an annoucement as soon as they're ready. Maff _______________________________________________ www.tachyon-tv.co.uk www.maff.da.ru www.mst3uk.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34852 Re: TT2 Cover Art Conrad Gibbons Wed 7/17/2002 3 KB From: Armin Theissen Date: Wed Jul 17, 2002 8:51 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Croydon 82 Morgan Feldon wrote: [snip] > and the second to last bit of music (from 36:15 - 42:15 if you have the SBM > edition) is more reminiscent of the Nov 11 Dusseldorf show. Honestly, it's > probably from some show we don't even have a tape of, or re-recorded in the > studio. > what do you mean with SBM edition - so something not on the regular tree? I've been on that Nov 11 show in Duesseldorf, but surely don't remember every note of music of it. armin ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34851 Re: Croydon 82 Conrad Gibbons Wed 7/17/2002 3 KB From: 'Conrad Gibbons' Date: Wed Jul 17, 2002 10:32 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Croydon 82 I think Morgan is referring to the 'Super Bit Mapping' procedure... NP: Tangerine Tree II Warsaw Disc 1/3 :-) -----Original Message----- From: Armin Theissen [mailto:Armin.Theissen@s...] Sent: 17 July 2002 09:51 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [tadream] Croydon 82 Morgan Feldon wrote: [snip] > and the second to last bit of music (from 36:15 - 42:15 if you have the SBM > edition) is more reminiscent of the Nov 11 Dusseldorf show. Honestly, it's > probably from some show we don't even have a tape of, or re-recorded in the > studio. > what do you mean with SBM edition - so something not on the regular tree? I've been on that Nov 11 show in Duesseldorf, but surely don't remember every note of music of it. armin ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Conrad Gibbons' Date: Wed Jul 17, 2002 10:35 am Subject: RE: [tadream] TT2 Cover Art I have just 'made' a sturdy box for my TT set. Please can you put up instructions on how to actually assemble the box? Rgards, Conrad -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Sawyer [mailto:matthewsawyer@b...] Sent: 17 July 2002 08:32 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] TT2 Cover Art For those of you who have asked about the TT2 cover art, the track listings for the tree have just been finalised this morning, and the covers are being updated with the new details. I plan to have them all finished and availabe for downloading from the new Tree cover art website at www.mst3uk.com/tdtree by no later than this Friday. I'll post an annoucement as soon as they're ready. Maff _______________________________________________ www.tachyon-tv.co.uk www.maff.da.ru www.mst3uk.com ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Wed Jul 17, 2002 11:18 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Croydon 82 > NP: Tangerine Tree II Warsaw Disc 1/3 :-) This is a fantastic concert which I believe will even please the 'everything-after-Schmoelling-left-is-crap' folks on this list (in case we have any ;-)) Heiko From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Wed Jul 17, 2002 11:08 am Subject: RE: [tadream] 88 US Tour question: Who played the octapad? I don't remeber seeing any pads either.... And the 'ladders' were kinda of leaning at an angle.... I don't know what purpose they served other than to be a reflective surface for the Light show... MJ Who played the octapad? > > > Mark asks: > > >88 US Tour question: Who played the octapad? > > > Well I have two answers for you--the immediate one that comes to > mind is no > one. I think they were using the Akais for sampling drums by then. > > The second is--it was difficult to see. I remember the weird metal tubes > with ladder-like rungs on 'em--although thinking back perhaps > they weren't > vertical and the band played back from the front of the stage, so > when you > combine that with the prolific fog from the machines and the > bright lights > (may have been intellibeams)--you couldn't see all that much 'playing' > except for the guitar solos. They really didn't move around that > much. The > lighting was more sparse than all the cool theatrical stuff they > had on the > 1986 tour. > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Peter Ravn' Date: Wed Jul 17, 2002 12:22 pm Subject: World sex tour 2001 Hi Check http://us.imdb.com/Name?Dream,+Tangerine Seem like TD didn't tell us everything :-) Peter Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34856 Re: World sex tour 2001 Armin Theissen Wed 7/17/2002 3 KB From: Armin Theissen Date: Wed Jul 17, 2002 12:36 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] World sex tour 2001 Hey, flag your links if none of my workmates should see it (or worse: my manager) armin ;-) Peter Ravn wrote: > Hi > > Check http://us.imdb.com/Name?Dream,+Tangerine > > Seem like TD didn't tell us everything :-) > > Peter > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Wed Jul 17, 2002 12:53 pm Subject: Fw: [SPACEMUSIC] The Ministry of Inside Things Important message I thought might interest a few people. I hope you don't mind the cross posting. Cheers, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Chuck van Zyl' To: Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 10:06 PM Subject: [SPACEMUSIC] The Ministry of Inside Things > The Ministry of Inside Things has completed the brief Summer 'tour'. > Thanks to everyone who came out to see us! Please access our webpage for > photos from concerts at: Jim's Mustang Lounge, The Ambient Ping, > Soundscapes, EMUSIC and NOCTURNAL TRANSMISSIONS > > http://www.synkronosmusic.com > > MoIT will next play out live on Sunday 11 August 2002 at the CD Release > Party for the new compilation disc entitled: THE GATHERINGS. The 'party' > begins at 7pm in the parish hall at St. Mary's Hamilton Village in > University City Philadelphia, PA USA. Please access: > > http://www.thegatherings.org > > for complete details. Hope to see you there! > > Regards, > > -chuck van zyl From: 'sequentc' Date: Thu Jul 18, 2002 5:45 am Subject: REMASTERS : Journey Through a Burning Brain Conclusion?! I listened to the 'anthology' Journey Through a Burning Brain (3CD-set), and thought this new set (anthology) has better definition, sound stage and impact of sound overall.....as I was in doubt, in case my ears deceived me........ ............I did a random sample check ..........of same wave files and compared them 'old' to 'new'......... and there is a 'visible' difference in the wave files, with different peaks and a much more dense detail of information on the new set! I thought perhaps the 'loudness' might have been adjusted..and in fact when I checked, the older original recordings have a 'higher' sound output than the 'new' anthology ones ... but the new ones still sound 'better'? Conclusion The anthology is a 'remastered' set - with 'better' sound quality. The inlay details of the 'box set' does state 'Mastered at : Sanctuary Mastering'.........so presumably these are 'newer' and 'better' versions. Please would someone else comment or quantify this 'observation'. And ................ I have been sadly informed by Sanctuary that 'There will be no test CDR's pressings for this title' - Kind regards/Customer Services - Sanctuary Records Group. :-( Con31 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34860 Re: REMASTERS : Journey Through a Burning Brain tangram12 Thu 7/18/2002 4 KB 34863 TDI updated Peter Ravn Thu 7/18/2002 3 KB 34883 Re: TDI updated Jens Kilian Fri 7/19/2002 3 KB 34887 Re: TDI updated Administrator for kay-net.com Fri 7/19/2002 4 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Jul 17, 2002 11:39 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] TD while pregnant >-----Original Message----- >From: Armin Theissen >My soon-to-be wife is pregnant ;-) and we know that in a few >weeks the embryo will already be able to hear. We got a CD which >... >What TD music would you play for an unborn child???? We played a lot of classical music, Grateful Dead, TD. Sometimes put the headphones on the belly. Which TD? Tangram, of course, and whatever else I could get my wife to tolerate ;-), like RAH'75, Palast der Republik, Firestarter, etc. From: 'tangram12' Date: Thu Jul 18, 2002 12:02 am Subject: Re: REMASTERS : Journey Through a Burning Brain Conclusion?! here is an email i recieved about the anthology test pressings i have:- -----Original Message----- From: duncan mckee To: dorothy.howe@v... Cc: matthew.sweeting@s... Date: 26 June 2002 14:26 Subject: tangerine dream, anthology hi i have just aquired a set of 3 cdrs entitled Tangerine dream 'Anthology' it has for promotional use only , not for sale typed on the cover (see scan) are these official test pressings for the forth coming release on 15th july? reply is:- Dear Duncan, Yes they are. We're expecting finished copies of the anthology in the next week or so. Kind regards, Dorothy so maybe they are not sending out the testopressings any more :-) Duncan --- In tadream@y..., 'sequentc' wrote: > I listened to the 'anthology' Journey Through a Burning Brain (3CD- set), and > thought this new set (anthology) has better definition, sound stage and > impact of sound overall.....as I was in doubt, in case my ears deceived > me........ > > ............I did a random sample check ..........of same wave files and > compared them 'old' to 'new'......... and there is a 'visible' difference in > the wave files, with different peaks and a much more dense detail of > information on the new set! > > I thought perhaps the 'loudness' might have been adjusted..and in fact when > I checked, the older original recordings have a 'higher' sound output than > the 'new' anthology ones ... but the new ones still sound 'better'? > > Conclusion > The anthology is a 'remastered' set - with 'better' sound quality. > The inlay details of the 'box set' does state 'Mastered at : Sanctuary > Mastering'.........so presumably these are 'newer' and 'better' versions. > > Please would someone else comment or quantify this 'observation'. > > And ................ > > I have been sadly informed by Sanctuary that 'There will be no test CDR's > pressings for this title' - Kind regards/Customer Services - Sanctuary > Records Group. > > :-( > Con31 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34863 TDI updated Peter Ravn Thu 7/18/2002 3 KB 34883 Re: TDI updated Jens Kilian Fri 7/19/2002 3 KB 34887 Re: TDI updated Administrator for kay-net.com Fri 7/19/2002 4 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Thu Jul 18, 2002 6:46 am Subject: 15 spare sets of the new Tangerine Tree #2 to trade Hello Tadreamers, I have 15 spare sets of the new 'Tangerine Tree Volume 2' which I can give away at a strict non-profit price. Each set consists of 14 audio CDRs ('redbook' format) which were copied from the master discs. This offer is especially interesting to those people which got placed on a high tree level number (http://www.tadream.net/tree/TreeLevelByAlphaName.htm) Any of these sets can be traded against: a) 20 audio CDRs -without jewel cases- to any European country (the extra cdr's will cover my postage costs of €6) b) US$25 to any country outside Europe (this amount exactly covers the cost of airmail postage and buying 14 audio CDRs) First come, first served :-) my email address: 'heiko.heerssen@h...' --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------ 'TT#2' consists of the following concerts: Volume 9: London Royal Albert Hall 02 April 1975 BBC master tape copy Volume 10: Newcastle City Hall 25 October 1981 audience master tape Volume 11: Hamburg Audimax 24 February 1978 Volume 12: Croydon Fairfield Hall 31 October 1982 audience master tape Volume 13: Mannheim Mozartsaal 31 October 1976 / Saarbrücken Universität 24 January 1976 audience master tapes Volume 14: Paris Bataclan 02 February 1981 audience master tape Volume 15-16: Warsaw 31 August 2001 soundboard recording Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34862 Re: 15 spare sets of the new Tangerine Tree #2 to Heiko Heerssen Thu 7/18/2002 2 KB 34865 Re: 15 spare sets of the new Tangerine Tree #2 to Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz Thu 7/18/2002 2 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Thu Jul 18, 2002 8:06 am Subject: Re: [tadream] 15 spare sets of the new Tangerine Tree #2 to trade > This offer is especially interesting to those people which got placed on a > high tree level number > (http://www.tadream.net/tree/TreeLevelByAlphaName.htm) > Maybe this sentence was a bit misleading, when I wrote 'high tree level number' I meant those people which are at the bottom of this list (Tree level 6-8, for example) , and therefore have to wait much longer for their discs as others. Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34865 Re: 15 spare sets of the new Tangerine Tree #2 to Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz Thu 7/18/2002 2 KB From: 'Peter Ravn' Date: Thu Jul 18, 2002 8:40 am Subject: TDI updated Hi Yesterday TDI website was updated with the following text: '-- Tangerine Dream and TDI Music Websites are merging in the next few days..... Sorry about the slow Website updates in the past ..... but we are working very hard on a complete rebuild of our WWW presence!!! Main focus will be taken on merging the TD and TDI Music Sites .... Please be patient .... it will be worth the wait!!!! -- TD to perform 'Inferno' at Medieval Castle It is now officially confirmed that Tangerine Dream will perform Inferno at the Festspiele Burg Nideggen, in the scenic location of the yard of the Medieval castle of the town of Nideggen. Nideggen is in the Rhineland and the nearest big city and airport is Cologne. There will be two shows: - Friday, August 23rd, 9 p.m. - Saturday, August 24th, 9 p.m. There will be an optional third show on Saturday, August 24th, midnight, if both shows are sold out. Infos about the location and the event can be found here: www.eifel-festspiele.de Tickets can be ordered at: www.ticketonline.de.' Regards, Peter Peter Ravn pr@r... & peter@r... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34883 Re: TDI updated Jens Kilian Fri 7/19/2002 3 KB 34887 Re: TDI updated Administrator for kay-net.com Fri 7/19/2002 4 KB From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Thu Jul 18, 2002 3:15 pm Subject: TT2 - downloading??? Hi Just curious, when are the TT2 ready for download?????................hehe....can't wait....=O) Regards Jan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34890 AW: [tadream] TT2 - downloading??? Herbert Fri 7/19/2002 3 KB 34892 Re: TT2 - downloading??? Marcel Engels Fri 7/19/2002 2 KB 34899 Re: TT2 - downloading??? Miguel Farah Sat 7/20/2002 2 KB From: 'Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz' Date: Thu Jul 18, 2002 4:32 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] 15 spare sets of the new Tangerine Tree #2 to trade > > (http://www.tadream.net/tree/TreeLevelByAlphaName.htm) Why the database above is not compatible with the one on Yahoo? Where to find my Branch Supplier and my Leaves? Jarek 'Jerry' mailto:jerry@t... Visit my website at: http://www.tangerinedream.pl/ From: 'Adele Outland' Date: Thu Jul 18, 2002 4:35 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] off topic- 'Sound Explorer.' I would be interested in knowing where to find this station as well since I live in Florida and have yet to hear a station that plays anything like EM. It would be great to get a taste of other artists without having to buy an album that has a style you may not like. 8-Dell All IMO of course. NP: Chicago '92 some great guitar work in there, I think, though I sometimes can't tell the difference from a synth. Wade! > >Wade Gordon wrote: > > > > Has anyone out there heard my new radio program called > > 'Sound Explorer?' > > > > Right now it is available for free on the web on the > > www.lougentile.com website. >I couldn't find how to listen to your show. > >Ciao -- Mark As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34875 Re: off topic- 'Sound Explorer.' Wade Gordon Thu 7/18/2002 3 KB From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Thu Jul 18, 2002 5:23 pm Subject: Sorry, a bit off topic Sorry people for the off topic, but I thought maybe somebody out there could help me out. My reciever / amp at my shop has seen its better days and now I'm starting to look for a replacement. BTW, I have kept my eyes open on ebay and half.com of late, but none yet. What I'm looking for is a used and atleast fairly powerful black Pioneer amp that will atleast 'test' my Klipsch and 15' Peavy speakers a bit 8-). I don't mind paying around a couple hundred bucks for the right one. I want it Pioneer and black just so that it'd match the rest of the units there. 8-\ Actually, there is one specifically that I wouldn't mind getting my hands on and it's a Pioneer A-717 amp! Any replies please email me off list and thanks ! Been listening to TD's 'Rumpelstiltskin' today and I will say that the theme is a beautiful piece !! Definitely on the sweet side .... maybe I'm just a marshmellow 8-\ 8-) Too bad it's only just shy of three minutes though. 8-\ Up next ... Kitaro's 'Kojiki'. This is a nice CD IMO. Kitaro's got the backing of an orchesta behind him. The man is a very talented musician / composer. I probably would even say that he has been blessed with natural talent. It appears that I've been going back to my new age days of late 8-\ 8-). [That's just Frank's usual smirk there 8-)] How many out there in TD land have missed me? Aww, schucks [blushing with glee 8-)] Yo, 'Beerhammer' ! You still out there ! They must be keeping a pretty close eye on you and your new job, because I haven't heard or seen you peak your head out from underneathe your rock in a while 8-). Or maybe they just pulled the plug on him and his computer 8-). Frank, just feeling good this morning. Everyone, have a good one .... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34868 Re: Sorry, a bit off topic PERGAMON Thu 7/18/2002 2 KB From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Thu Jul 18, 2002 5:19 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Sorry, a bit off topic > Up next ... Kitaro's 'Kojiki'. I had almost forgotten about this album. Have just put it on.....thanks for reminding me.............=O) Regards Jan From: 'Owens, James' Date: Thu Jul 18, 2002 6:57 pm Subject: OT musical Simulacrum: KOJIKI/Camelot and Vangelis/ABBA The conversation about Kojiki brought up an interesting question: Sections of track 6 'Matsuri' bear a striking resemblance to 'Guenevere' from the musical 'Camelot' (Lerner & Loewe). Anyone else notice this, or is it just me. My wife's a HUGE Camelot fan, and the first time she heard Matsuri she said 'that sounds like 'Guenevere''. I argued with her at first, but then I listened to them 'side-by-side' and I had to agree. The setting and background is different, but the melody is nearly identical. On yet another deviation, my wife also insists that Vangelis' 'Sauvage et Beau' is very similar to 'Fernando' by ABBA. Any takers? James Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34870 Re: OT musical Simulacrum: KOJIKI/Camelot and Van Antonio Nunes Thu 7/18/2002 2 KB 34871 Re: OT musical Simulacrum: KOJIKI/Camelot and Van Kees Aerts / Groove Unlimited Thu 7/18/2002 3 KB 34872 Re: OT musical Simulacrum: KOJIKI/Camelot and Va Steve Thu 7/18/2002 2 KB 34873 Re: OT musical Simulacrum: KOJIKI/Camelot and Va Administrator for kay-net.com Thu 7/18/2002 3 KB 34874 Re: OT musical Simulacrum: KOJIKI/Camelot and Va Antonio Nunes Thu 7/18/2002 2 KB 34876 Re: OT musical Simulacrum: KOJIKI/Camelot and Va fozziebear Thu 7/18/2002 2 KB 34878 Re: OT musical Simulacrum: KOJIKI/Camelot and Van Owens, James Thu 7/18/2002 2 KB From: Antonio Nunes Date: Thu Jul 18, 2002 7:26 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT musical Simulacrum: KOJIKI/Camelot and Vangelis/ABBA 'Owens, James' wrote: > On yet another deviation, my wife also insists that Vangelis' 'Sauvage et > Beau' is very similar to 'Fernando' by ABBA. Any takers? I wouldn't say it's very similar, as I had not noticed the similarity till today, but now that you have mentioned it, yes I can almost sing 'Fernando' on top of the track 'Sauvage et Beau' :-) Antonio np: Vangelis - Sauvage et Beau Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34871 Re: OT musical Simulacrum: KOJIKI/Camelot and Van Kees Aerts / Groove Unlimited Thu 7/18/2002 3 KB 34872 Re: OT musical Simulacrum: KOJIKI/Camelot and Va Steve Thu 7/18/2002 2 KB 34873 Re: OT musical Simulacrum: KOJIKI/Camelot and Va Administrator for kay-net.com Thu 7/18/2002 3 KB 34874 Re: OT musical Simulacrum: KOJIKI/Camelot and Va Antonio Nunes Thu 7/18/2002 2 KB 34876 Re: OT musical Simulacrum: KOJIKI/Camelot and Va fozziebear Thu 7/18/2002 2 KB From: Kees Aerts / Groove Unlimited Date: Thu Jul 18, 2002 7:46 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT musical Simulacrum: KOJIKI/Camelot and Vangelis/ABBA At 20:26 18-7-02 +0100, you wrote: >'Owens, James' wrote: > > > On yet another deviation, my wife also insists that Vangelis' 'Sauvage et > > Beau' is very similar to 'Fernando' by ABBA. Any takers? > >I wouldn't say it's very similar, as I had not noticed the similarity >till today, but now that you have mentioned it, yes I can almost sing >'Fernando' on top of the track 'Sauvage et Beau' :-) > >Antonio > >np: Vangelis - Sauvage et Beau Or is it Fernando? ;-) Best regards / Vriendelijke groeten, Kees GROOVE Unlimited (Specializing in Electronic Music) Kees Aerts PO Box 2171 8203 AD Lelystad the Netherlands Tel: +31 (0) 320 219496 ; Fax: +31 (0) 320 218910 http://www.groove.nl Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34872 Re: OT musical Simulacrum: KOJIKI/Camelot and Va Steve Thu 7/18/2002 2 KB 34873 Re: OT musical Simulacrum: KOJIKI/Camelot and Va Administrator for kay-net.com Thu 7/18/2002 3 KB 34874 Re: OT musical Simulacrum: KOJIKI/Camelot and Va Antonio Nunes Thu 7/18/2002 2 KB 34876 Re: OT musical Simulacrum: KOJIKI/Camelot and Va fozziebear Thu 7/18/2002 2 KB From: 'Steve' Date: Thu Jul 18, 2002 7:55 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] OT musical Simulacrum: KOJIKI/Camelot and Vangelis/ABBA There's a passage towards the end of Logos Part 2 to which you can sing the chorus of Depeche Mode's 1984 track Blasphemous Rumours... Steve www.craftman.co.uk www.rottievision.com www.rotties-r-us.co.uk - Paws Around the World Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34873 Re: OT musical Simulacrum: KOJIKI/Camelot and Va Administrator for kay-net.com Thu 7/18/2002 3 KB 34874 Re: OT musical Simulacrum: KOJIKI/Camelot and Va Antonio Nunes Thu 7/18/2002 2 KB 34876 Re: OT musical Simulacrum: KOJIKI/Camelot and Va fozziebear Thu 7/18/2002 2 KB From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Thu Jul 18, 2002 8:05 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT musical Simulacrum: KOJIKI/Camelot and Vangelis/ABBA Then there is also this Wizard of Oz sync you can do as well. dale ;-) Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Steve' To: Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 12:55 PM Subject: RE: [tadream] OT musical Simulacrum: KOJIKI/Camelot and Vangelis/ABBA > There's a passage towards the end of Logos Part 2 to which you can sing the > chorus of Depeche Mode's 1984 track Blasphemous Rumours... > > Steve > > www.craftman.co.uk > www.rottievision.com > www.rotties-r-us.co.uk - Paws Around the World > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Antonio Nunes Date: Thu Jul 18, 2002 8:15 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT musical Simulacrum: KOJIKI/Camelot and Vangelis/ABBA Steve wrote: > > There's a passage towards the end of Logos Part 2 to which you can sing the > chorus of Depeche Mode's 1984 track Blasphemous Rumours... And there's a part in 'Alchemy of the heart', between 8.46 and 8.53, which reminds me of Procol Harum's 'A whiter shade of pale'. Antonio np - Tyger From: Wade Gordon Date: Thu Jul 18, 2002 8:21 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] off topic- 'Sound Explorer.' Adele, Right now 'Sound Explorer' is running 24/7 on www.lougentile.com. You can hear the program (with commercials) on radio stations in Melbourne, Orlando, and Tampa, Florida. I highly recomend the one with out commercials. Its not that I don't like commercials I just think it works better. Wade --- Adele Outland wrote: > I would be interested in knowing where to find this > station as well since I > live in Florida and have yet to hear a station that > plays anything like EM. > It would be great to get a taste of other artists > without having to buy an > album that has a style you may not like. 8-Dell > > All IMO of course. > NP: Chicago '92 some great guitar work in there, I > think, though I sometimes > can't tell the difference from a synth. > > Wade! > > > >Wade Gordon wrote: > > > > > > Has anyone out there heard my new radio program > called > > > 'Sound Explorer?' > > > > > > Right now it is available for free on the web on > the > > > www.lougentile.com website. > > >I couldn't find how to listen to your show. > > > >Ciao -- Mark > > > As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams. > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: > http://messenger.msn.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com From: 'fozziebear' Date: Thu Jul 18, 2002 8:25 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT musical Simulacrum: KOJIKI/Camelot and Vangelis/ABBA Steve wrote: There's a passage towards the end of Logos Part 2 to which you can sing the chorus of Depeche Mode's 1984 track Blasphemous Rumours... And there's a part in 'Alchemy of the heart', between 8.46 and 8.53, which reminds me of Procol Harum's 'A whiter shade of pale'. and Antonio wrote np - Tyger And Tyger just sounds like Livemiles! Being serious some of Cyclone sounds like Hawkwind David From: 'tei waz' Date: Thu Jul 18, 2002 9:05 pm Subject: now sounds like was:Re: [tadream] OT musical Simulacrum: KOJIKI/Camelo then there's that TD song that sounds like New Order--can't remember the title off-hand, but I know it when I hear it. And I don't think it's that New Order tune that sounds like the Cure and vice versa.... --t _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From: 'Owens, James' Date: Thu Jul 18, 2002 9:11 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] OT musical Simulacrum: KOJIKI/Camelot and Vangelis/ABBA Lots of takers on Sauvage et Beau... Any comments on Matsuri (from Kojiki)? From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Fri Jul 19, 2002 12:24 am Subject: Re: A bit off topic Just letting people know that using a different search engine I was able to track down that Pioneer A-717 amp that I've been looking for. It costed me three and a quarter, used, but since I already have an identical one at home I know it'll be able to 'test' my speakers. 8-) Eric van der Heijden's 'Universal Time Zone'. 'The Last Time' is an awesome track! I love the sound of those horns! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Jeffrey Au Yeung' Date: Fri Jul 19, 2002 1:35 am Subject: Japan Poster Offer Hello everyone I have a spare Tangerine Dream poster available for trade. I have included a scan at this link: http://members.tripodasia.com.hk/coldwatercanyon/Japan_70s_poster.jpg The poster is from 1975, Japan Nippon Columbia, double-sided (back-side lists various Virgin artists TD & Schulze included, albums and rock music development chart upto 1975). Any swap suggestion is welcome. BTW, I am looking specifically for the following items: 1977 NA Tour Poster 1983 Japan Tour Poster Rubyon 7' Aussie Please contact me off-list at: coldwatercanyon.hotmail.com Thanks Jeffrey _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From: tadream@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri Jul 19, 2002 2:06 am Subject: New file uploaded to tadream Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the tadream group. File : /Mark's_Concise_Compact_Disk_Primer_.txt Uploaded by : mark_filipak Description : Mark's Concise Compact Disk Primer You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/files/Mark%27s_Concise_Compact_Disk_Primer\ _.txt To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, mark_filipak From: Mark Filipak Date: Fri Jul 19, 2002 2:15 am Subject: Re: [tadream] New file uploaded to tadream Hi All! By request I uploaded this primer so all TD fanatics can read it. Especially, Tangerine Tree participants may want to skim the last few sections. Ciao -- Mark tadream@yahoogroups.com wrote: > > Hello, > > This email message is a notification to let you know that > a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the tadream > group. > > File : /Mark's_Concise_Compact_Disk_Primer_.txt > Uploaded by : mark_filipak > Description : Mark's Concise Compact Disk Primer > > You can access this file at the URL > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/files/Mark%27s_Concise_Compact_Disk_Primer\ _.txt > > To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit > > http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files > > Regards, > > mark_filipak > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37174 Re: New file uploaded to tadream Falcon ppgwave2000 Wed 11/20/2002 2 KB 37176 Re: New file uploaded to tadream Mr Paul Dryden paulus_d2002 Wed 11/20/2002 3 KB From: Jens Kilian Date: Fri Jul 19, 2002 6:32 am Subject: Re: TDI updated > Infos about the location and the event can be found here: www.eifel-festspiele.de There is absolutely nothing at that site ... if you have a Flash-incapable browser. F*cking incompetents. -- mailto:jjk@a... phone:+49-7031-464-7698 (TELNET 778-7698) http://www.bawue.de/~jjk/ fax:+49-7031-464-7351 PGP: 06 04 1C 35 7B DC 1F 26 As the air to a bird, or the sea to a fish, 0x555DA8B5 BB A2 F0 66 77 75 E1 08 so is contempt to the contemptible. [Blake] From: Morgan Feldon Date: Fri Jul 19, 2002 7:10 am Subject: >From: Jens Kilian >Date: Fri Jul 19, 2002 1:32 am >Subject: Re: TDI updated > > > > Infos about the location and the event can be found here: >www.eifel-festspiele.de > >There is absolutely nothing at that site ... if you have a Flash-incapable >browser. F*cking incompetents. And a very nice Flash site it is. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'michael_berling' Date: Fri Jul 19, 2002 10:56 am Subject: VitN updated Hi folks, just a short note to inform you that VitN has been updated yesterday. Nothing great, just some more cover scans, release details and fixed errors... and, of course, the entry for the brand new Anthology album we all have waited for so eagerly to complete our TD-sub-collection titled 'pink and blue years compilations' -- after 'The Collection', 'The Best Of TD', 'From Dusk 'til Dawn', 'The Story Of TD', 'The Pink Years' and 'The Blue Years', not to mention the tangentized stuff on 'Book Of Dreams', 'The Dream Roots Collection' and 'I-Box'... ;-) Best regards Michael Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35600 VitN updated michael_berling Sat 8/17/2002 2 KB 35601 VitN updated michael_berling Sat 8/17/2002 2 KB 35603 Re: VitN updated michael_berling Sat 8/17/2002 2 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Fri Jul 19, 2002 3:31 pm Subject: Some comments about the concerts of the 2nd Tangerine Tree Since I have already started sending out my Tangerine Tree #2 discs to some of my branches I thought it might be a good idea to come up with some background information for those who are interested. Volume 9: London Royal Albert Hall 02 April 1975 (2 CDRs, 123 minutes, remastered by '3N') --for the Tree version we combined two sources to produce the complete concert: source #1 is a CDR copy which was taken directly from the original BBC IPS mono master tape, source #2 was taken from the audience master tape recording which was recorded and kindly supplied to me by list member Chris Wojtecki. Those of you who have listened to the 'Coefficient of aural expansion' bootleg CD (or the 'Ruby in the sky' 2 CDR version) know that the first set gets faded out after 61 minutes, and therefore misses the last 8-9 minutes of the track. For the 'tree' version both parts were merged together, and now we are able to hear the complete set as it was performed by Edgar Froese, Christopher Franke and Michael Hoenig. I must admit that I always liked this concert, but not to the same extent as for example Nottingham Albert Hall 1976. But it has really grown on me, and I now regard this as 'essential' (whatever this means ;-) I also think that it's a big improvement over the original mono version as it has a great (pseudo) stereo sound. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ----------------- Volume 10: Newcastle City Hall 25 October 1981 (2 CDRs, 110 minutes, remastered by Tentbuckum; (Side Effects), and 3N) --source: CDR copy of audience master tape which was used for the production of the 'Spaces & spheres bootleg LP. For the most part this is an excellent sounding audience recording which I consider to be the best existing tape source of Tangerine Dream's 1981 UK tour. Almost 50% of the music is as yet unreleased, and it's really a shame that TDI does not release the entire concert (of the first long piece only 'Edinburgh Castle' and 'Bondy Parade' were released in more or less different versions) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ----------------- Volume 11: Hamburg Audimax 24 February 1978 (1 CDR, 53 minutes, remastered by 3N) --I decided to replace Birmingham Odeon 17 March 1986 in favour of this concert, and to leave Birmingham for TT#3. The tape we used for the Hamburg 78 show comes from an unknown, but surely low tape generation. I guess that 1978 isn't among our favourite TD years, some love it but the majority does not (but maybe I'm wrong? :-) The 'Cyclone' tour is also disappointing in that the number of good sounding audience recordings can almost be counted on one hand (we have twelve recordings from the 'Cyclone' tour of which maybe only three or four have a reasonable sound quality) The Hamburg Audimax tape is missing the entire first piece, and I'm afraid we will never get to hear it. The second piece however is IMO an excellent improvisation, full of floating mellotron and other keyboard sounds. The first half of it is very relaxing while the other is more dynamic, and Steve Joliffe murmurs something like 'he's a liar' (?) The encore is rather short and quite wild :-) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------ Volume 12: Croydon Fairfield Hall 31 October 1982 (2 CDR, 110 minutes, remastered by (Side Effects) ,and 3N) --oh how I love this concert!! :-B As most of you know for the official 'Logos' release a large chunk of music had to be cut out to make it fit onto a single LP. Whereas 'Logos' consists of one long piece & 'Dominion' as encore the real concert had two long sets (43 & 51 minutes), and three encores (Midnight in Tula, White eagle, Dominion). For the 'tree version' I was lucky to receive a CDR copy straight from the master tape recording, and thanks to the brilliant remastering of (Side Effects) and 3N the 'tree' version is a big improvement over the original recording. It's great to listen to entire concert in a very good sound quality, and the music played on this tour will always be one of my favourites. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ----------------- Volume 13: Mannheim Mozartsaal 31 October 1976 / Saarbrücken Universität 24 January 1976 (2 CDR, 142 minutes, remastered by 3N) --these audience recordings were discovered about 1 1/2 years ago, and got circulated among fans in a rather poor sound quality (the source cd's were overmodulated and the sound suffered from many skips and scratches) But someone on this list managed to get his hands on the original master tapes (thanks John!) and therefore we were able to use them for the 'tree' version, and again the remastering is superb. I have listened to Mannheim Mozartsaal so many times now that I know this concert almost inside out..well it's from 1976 so what more can I say except that it's great :-) My favourite is Track 3, a twenty minute excursion which shows just how fantastic and unique the Froese/Franke/Baumann line-up was playing improvised music in those days. The rhythm computer was also used to perfection and somehow sounds much more advanced and 'clever' than on their subsequent live tours. A killer concert which also features an excellent guitar improvisation by Edgar Froese which is sooo much better than what he played on Nottingham Albert Hall 1976 (Tangerine Tree Volume 1, 2nd track) I have not much to say about Saarbrücken Universität...sometimes the music has a spooky atmosphere which I find quite nice, but it lacks the power of their better concerts. But it's just my opinion ;-) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------- Volume 14: Paris Bataclan 02 February 1981 (2 CDR, 105 minutes, remastered by Jabberwock/Side Effects/3N) --another killer concert and with a sound quality that I think will please everyone, it's close to that of a radio broadcast. For the 'tree' version we used the audience master tape, and like Newcastle 81 there's a lot of unreleased music which is begging for an official release from TDI. I guess most sequencer fans will go ape when they hear this concert, and the Paris audience really enjoyed this gig (listen to 'Choronzon' which has lots of hand clapping, shouting & humming) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ---------------- Volume 15 & 16: Warsaw Most Swietokrzyski 'The most beautiful rock for peace' (Part 1 & 2, 3 CDR, 162 minutes, remastered by 3N) it's needless to argue about the sound quality since it's from soundboard, but I was told that there still was a lot of work to do to make it sound as good as it does now. The soundboard recording stopped after 'Diamonds and dust' (Volume 16, track 2), but thanks to Tadream list member 'Jerry' we could use his DAT master tape for the last two encores. Track 5 is an excerpt (some kind of 'best of') from the Press Conference which was held prior to the show in a hotel in Warsaw. Most of it is in German language. In a previous email I mentioned how I liked this show, and yes I think that this was one of the best TD performances since maybe a decade. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------ --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------ This is what I could possibly say about the 2nd Tangerine Tree. It was hard work for everyone involved, and I take the opportunity to say a big THANK YOU to those people who were responsible for remastering the shows, and to those who supplied the recordings, you know who you are. Long live the dream :-) Regards Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34888 Re: Some comments about the concerts of the 2nd T Administrator for kay-net.com Fri 7/19/2002 4 KB 34889 Re: Some comments about the concerts of the 2nd T maggior Fri 7/19/2002 2 KB 34891 Re: Some comments about the concerts of the 2nd T Heiko Heerssen Fri 7/19/2002 3 KB 34914 Re: Some comments about the concerts of the 2nd T Armin Theissen Mon 7/22/2002 3 KB 34917 Re: Some comments about the concerts of the 2nd T Gustavo Jobim Mon 7/22/2002 3 KB 34930 Re: Some comments about the concerts of the 2nd T Mark Filipak Mon 7/22/2002 2 KB 34956 Re: Some comments about the concerts of the 2nd T Armin Theissen Wed 7/24/2002 3 KB From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Fri Jul 19, 2002 3:27 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TDI updated There is a way to set the web page to detect Flash or no Flash browser, such that you would get a standard screen with info, that is if the person creating such a site would be so kind to think about others who do not have the latest eq. This is the same problem you have with Netscape, IE and others, you want to use the latest fancy stuff, but will your viewers have the eq do enjoy it? Like Frame or not to Frame?, that is the question. At least you are not alone, there are others out there. ;-) Dale Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Jens Kilian' To: Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 11:32 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: TDI updated > > Infos about the location and the event can be found here: www.eifel-festspiele.de > > There is absolutely nothing at that site ... if you have a Flash-incapable > browser. F*cking incompetents. > -- > mailto:jjk@a... phone:+49-7031-464-7698 (TELNET 778-7698) > http://www.bawue.de/~jjk/ fax:+49-7031-464-7351 > PGP: 06 04 1C 35 7B DC 1F 26 As the air to a bird, or the sea to a fish, > 0x555DA8B5 BB A2 F0 66 77 75 E1 08 so is contempt to the contemptible. [Blake] > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Fri Jul 19, 2002 3:43 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Some comments about the concerts of the 2nd Tangerine Tree I am going to save this file for reference in the ftp area set aside for such. I noted a few text files there already. One more isn't going to hurt. This is good info. FTP info At this time, until I get the word of those in the higher command, it isn't open yet. When it does, the first FTP site is on a DSL line. I will be asking for IP address to allow those in to download. Since it is DSL, I am keeping it to a one at a time. Late next month, I will have a t1/oc3 FTP set aside for such. The same rules most likely will apply. Exception, more than one of course. I am not going to make the address known to the list public like. Joe and others will know the address as well as those who contact me direct. I wish to keep the leaches down (hackers and other non-humans). The 6 CD's (shn's) are loaded into the FTP area. As soon as I download some conversion software, find some time to convert to Audio, I can listen to them myself. So as of right now, I only seen a few post telling me these are great. Dale Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Heiko Heerssen' To: Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 8:31 AM Subject: [tadream] Some comments about the concerts of the 2nd Tangerine Tree > Since I have already started sending out my Tangerine Tree #2 discs to > some of my branches I thought it might be a good idea to come up with > some background information for those who are interested. > > Volume 9: London Royal Albert Hall 02 April 1975 (2 CDRs, 123 minutes, > remastered by '3N') > > --for the Tree version we combined two sources to produce the complete > concert: source #1 is a CDR copy which was taken directly from the > original BBC IPS mono master tape, source #2 was taken from the audience > master tape recording which was recorded and kindly supplied to me by > list member Chris Wojtecki. Those of you who have listened to the > 'Coefficient of aural expansion' bootleg CD (or the 'Ruby in the sky' 2 > CDR version) know that the first set gets faded out after 61 minutes, > and therefore misses the last 8-9 minutes of the track. For the 'tree' > version both parts were merged together, and now we are able to hear the > complete set as it was performed by Edgar Froese, Christopher Franke and From: 'maggior' Date: Fri Jul 19, 2002 4:01 pm Subject: Re: Some comments about the concerts of the 2nd Tangerine Tree Heiko - thanks a bunch for the info - this is great background information. I am confused though - how can distribution start when the tree structure hasn't been published yet? Are we just going to use the tree structure from TT#1? Thanks, Rich Maggio --- In tadream@y..., Heiko Heerssen wrote: > Since I have already started sending out my Tangerine Tree #2 discs to > some of my branches I thought it might be a good idea to come up with > some background information for those who are interested. > From: 'Herbert' Date: Fri Jul 19, 2002 4:11 pm Subject: AW: [tadream] TT2 - downloading??? Hi, Currently we will not have enough bandwidth available for massive downloads until somewhere in September. Are there any volunteers who have bunches of free bandwidth and are willing to host the files? Any ideas are welcome. Herbert > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > Von: PERGAMON [mailto:pergamon@g...] > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 18. Juli 2002 17:15 > An: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Betreff: [tadream] TT2 - downloading??? > > > Hi > > Just curious, when are the TT2 ready for > download?????................hehe....can't wait....=O) > > Regards > Jan > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34892 Re: TT2 - downloading??? Marcel Engels Fri 7/19/2002 2 KB 34899 Re: TT2 - downloading??? Miguel Farah Sat 7/20/2002 2 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Fri Jul 19, 2002 4:26 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Some comments about the concerts of the 2nd Tangerine Tree > I am confused though - how can distribution start when the tree > structure hasn't been published yet? Are we just going to use the > tree structure from TT#1? Hello Rich, I guess it's high time for me to make a comment about the tree structure. I remember that some time ago Joe announced on the Tadream list that he wanted to make some changes to the structure of the tree (less branches and more leaves to accelerate the distribution) I have to apologize to Joe for my bad timing since I started the 2nd tree without his approval, but as long as he isn't posting anything to the list I guess we can stick to the tree structure from TT#1. I am aware that this has caused a bit of trouble but I am sure we can get this sorted out. Remember that it will take a couple of weeks before the people on Level 2 or 3 will receive their discs, and by the time this moment has come I'm sure that Joe has already presented his master plan to the list :-) Heiko From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Fri Jul 19, 2002 4:40 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] TT2 - downloading??? > From: Herbert [mailto:gae@g...] > > Currently we will not have enough bandwidth available for > massive downloads until somewhere in September. Are there any > volunteers who have bunches of free bandwidth and are willing > to host the files? > > Any ideas are welcome. Well my DSL line has can now upload 128Kbps so in theory it can do 16KBps. Not a T1 I know but I'm more then happy to put it on my FTP server. I agree with Dale that with a DSL, one or two uploads at one time is the limit. Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... From: Morgan Feldon Date: Fri Jul 19, 2002 5:19 pm Subject: Tangerine Tree 2 Structure >I am confused though - how can distribution start when the tree >structure hasn't been published yet? Are we just going to use the >tree structure from TT#1? > >Thanks, >Rich Maggio Ok, we are not using the Tangerine Tree #1 structure at all. Joe Shoults has been busy with life, etc. but hopefully he finds time this weekend to get the Tree #2 structure up. I will say without reservations that the Tree #1 structure was a nightmare. It was very unbalanced and not enough discs came to the US. For Tree #2, 5 sets of discs are coming to the US and are all going to people who are best-suited to getting discs out to leaves very quickly. I would hope that the 2nd level branches in the US are seeded by mid-August. Maybe this is optimistic, but I don't think so. Again, just because everyone asks to be a branch does not mean that they will be one. We've got to go with people who can get discs out quickly, so some amount of free time is needed. A month to turn around discs is simply too long. Also, Mark has posted his 'concise' guide to dealing with Audio CDs. At 80kb, I'd hate to see the long version! I will be posting detailed instructions on copying and verifying CDs copied in either SHN or red book (regular music CD) forms. -Morgan From: Morgan Feldon Date: Fri Jul 19, 2002 5:22 pm Subject: Tangerine Tree 2 SHN Downloading The Tangerine Tree 2 is being distributed as SHN files to retain the perfect quality of the original CDs. There are other sources for mp3 versions, if you are so inclined, but we are NOT seeding the tree in this manner. >Well my DSL line has can now upload 128Kbps so in >theory it can do 16KBps. Not a T1 I know but I'm more then >happy to put it on my FTP server. >I agree with Dale that with a DSL, one or two uploads at one >time is the limit. > >Marcel The SHN files for Tangerine Tree 2 will be approximately 4 gigabytes. On a 128kbps upload line, this would be 83 HOURS per person to download 1 complete set of the Tree in SHN. On a 384kbps line, this would be 28 hours Once I get a copy of the Tree from Dale, I may be able to open up my dual T1 in the middle of the night to seed a couple of people, but ideally, I think mail is the best. -Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34896 Re: Tangerine Tree 2 SHN Downloading Marcel Engels Fri 7/19/2002 2 KB 35003 Re: Tangerine Tree 2 SHN Downloading René Brenner Fri 7/26/2002 3 KB 35010 Re: Tangerine Tree 2 SHN Downloading Administrator for kay-net.com Fri 7/26/2002 3 KB From: 'convention24' Date: Fri Jul 19, 2002 6:06 pm Subject: (off topic) The Sheer Brilliance of Maroubra Bay. Those incredible subtle tones,the sheer feeling of romance,Edgar Froese, this is and always will be your finest solo hour,the Untouchable Genius of the blonde bombshell?Who needs Jarre? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34897 Re: (off topic) The Sheer Brilliance of Maroubra Administrator for kay-net.com Fri 7/19/2002 3 KB From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Fri Jul 19, 2002 6:13 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 2 SHN Downloading > From: Morgan Feldon [mailto:feldon@f...] > > On a 128kbps upload line, this would be 83 HOURS per person > to download 1 > complete set of the Tree in SHN. > On a 384kbps line, this would be 28 hours 28 hours is imo a good time. My computer is on almost day and night so for me it's no problem. I could even live with 83 hours, but that just me. :-) But it's probably best to stick with mail as much as possible. Marcel From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Fri Jul 19, 2002 6:24 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] (off topic) The Sheer Brilliance of Maroubra Bay. ? JMJ has his uses. dale Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'convention24' To: Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 11:06 AM Subject: [tadream] (off topic) The Sheer Brilliance of Maroubra Bay. > Those incredible subtle tones,the sheer feeling of romance,Edgar > Froese, this is and always will be your finest solo hour,the > Untouchable Genius of the blonde bombshell?Who needs Jarre? > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Adele Outland' Date: Fri Jul 19, 2002 11:36 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Joe Satriani This is just a heads up for those who may care that Joe Satriani and Dream Theater with King's X is/are scheduled to play Aug 21 7:30pm at Ruth Eckerd Hall in Clearwater, Florida. Tickets are $37.50 and $42.50 at 727-791-7400 or plus service charge via Ticketmaster 813-287-8844. I've heard him mentioned here before as being a very good guitar player. Wish I could go, but the prices are a bit beyond me. Especially if I want to save up for next year's Ricochet Gathering. 8-Dell All IMO of course. NP: a piece of Croyden '75; can't wait til I get TTII! As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams. _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34919 Re: Joe Satriani Armin Theissen Mon 7/22/2002 4 KB 34950 Re: Joe Satriani Conrad Gibbons Tue 7/23/2002 4 KB From: Miguel Farah Date: Sat Jul 20, 2002 2:39 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TT2 - downloading??? Herbert [19/07/2002 12:23] dijo/said: >Hi, > >Currently we will not have enough bandwidth available for massive downloads >until somewhere in September. >Are there any volunteers who have bunches of free bandwidth and are willing >to host the files? > >Any ideas are welcome. IIUC, there are 6 CDs. We could have six different persons to host each group of files. I can offer disk space and bandwidth for one album, on one condition: I missed TT1, and I want those. :-) From: Morgan Feldon Date: Sat Jul 20, 2002 2:35 am Subject: Tree 2 Miguel, Please e-mail me off-list. feldon(at)feldoncentral.com From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sat Jul 20, 2002 4:48 am Subject: SBMs x old Virgins Hi folks, I'm sure this question must've been asked before, but please help me. Are the Virgin SBMs really worth to get? I mean, is there a big sound improvement over ALL old CDs, only a little, or does it vary? Because I've noticed that while trying to get the CDs, I ended up getting quite a number of old Virgins: I have Phaedra, Rubycon, Tangram, White Eagle and Hyperborea. They were usually for a quite nice price, and the SBMs are usually for a considerably higher price. So should I try to substitute them? What about the others? Should I absolutely try to get the SBMs or there's not a big difference - and now I'm beginning to walk in circles? anyway, thanks! GJ np: Mysterious Semblance from an old Phaedra I just got (well, better than my old CDR! and the price was very nice!) Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34902 Re: SBMs x old Virgins Mark Filipak Sat 7/20/2002 4 KB 34904 Re: SBMs x old Virgins Matthew Sawyer Sat 7/20/2002 3 KB 34905 Re: SBMs x old Virgins Dan Downey Sat 7/20/2002 3 KB 34910 Re: SBMs x old Virgins thomas b Sun 7/21/2002 4 KB 34911 Re: SBMs x old Virgins Wade Gordon Sun 7/21/2002 3 KB 34944 Re: SBMs x old Virgins John Marchington Tue 7/23/2002 6 KB 35112 Re: SBMs x old Virgins Strimples Thu 8/1/2002 5 KB From: Mark Filipak Date: Sat Jul 20, 2002 10:15 am Subject: Re: [tadream] SBMs x old Virgins Hi Gustavo! This is a recurring question... Gustavo Jobim wrote: > > Hi folks, I'm sure this question must've been asked before, but please > help me. Are the Virgin SBMs really worth to get? I would definitely get the SBM versions of 'Encore', 'Tangram', and 'Logos'. They have noticably better dynamics and 'Logos' doesn't have the break in the middle. The SBM of 'Exit' has better dynamics also but is reported to have some distortion (clipping?) -- from Gabor G. on 20 Feb 1997: > Subject: Exit > > Now I had some time to carefully listen to Exit SBM version. It sounds > fine, but far from the perfect. Peak level (which was around -6dB on > the original CD) now set to 0 dB to use the whole dynamic range but I > discovered two overload places (during Network 23) with my level meter. > I think they didn't use any peak limiting or such mastering facility. > It's a shame. > > An other rude mistake can be found during Network 23 also: at a point > in the middle, a significant amount of high frequencies has gone out > from the sound and return some minutes later. It must be a damage of > the original analog master but with proper hard-disk editing techniques > it could be corrected (I do similar techniques very often). I have the SBM of 'Exit' and don't notice these defects. Avoid the US version of the original 'Exit' (non-SBM) released on Electra/Asylum as it was made using secondary masters and is very hissy -- no problem for you for as I remember it, I sent you the SBM of 'Exit'. I think that the SBM of 'Rubycon' is better also, but it's been so long since I've heard the original CD that I can't be sure. I hope this helps. Someone (me? -- perhaps) should do comprehensive research on this SBM question and post a definitive [pun intended] list of differences. Err... Actually, I guess I can't do it as I don't have SBMs of either 'Phaedra' or 'Stratosfear'. Ciao -- Mark From: Date: Sat Jul 20, 2002 11:46 am Subject: Searching hello, I am searching following Vinyl : Klaus Krüger - Zwischenmischung / IC KS 80018 released on Vinyl 1982 in Germany. CD also available on IC 710.087 called : Collection (Sampler) released 1989. please contact me off-list if you have this item for trade or sale. CDR version of this Vinyl is also okay. Regards heiko - Mr. Optical www.tribute-to-ashra.de www.opticaldream.de e-mail: heiko@o... FREE ASHRA NEWSLETTER subcribe here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ashranewsletter --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ----------------------------- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Sat Jul 20, 2002 3:53 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] SBMs x old Virgins From: 'Mark Filipak' > Hi Gustavo! > > This is a recurring question... > > Gustavo Jobim wrote: > > > > Hi folks, I'm sure this question must've been asked before, but please > > help me. Are the Virgin SBMs really worth to get? I seem to recall someone mentioning that the original CD of 'Thief' was recorded from a rather bad copy of the master tape, and the SBM version is much improved. Maff _______________________________________________ www.tachyon-tv.co.uk www.maff.da.ru www.mst3uk.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34905 Re: SBMs x old Virgins Dan Downey Sat 7/20/2002 3 KB From: Dan Downey Date: Sat Jul 20, 2002 10:23 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] SBMs x old Virgins I've got both copies of the Thief and the SBM one is much brighter and clearer. It actually took me a long time to get used to the difference since I'd played the non-SBM one for so many years and it's one of my favorite CDs. Oddly I contintue to play both since the difference is so great. It's almost like the original was recorded with mics while the SBM was taken off the board. DanD --- Matthew Sawyer wrote: > From: 'Mark Filipak' > > > > Hi Gustavo! > > > > This is a recurring question... > > > > Gustavo Jobim wrote: > > > > > > Hi folks, I'm sure this question must've been > asked before, but please > > > help me. Are the Virgin SBMs really worth to > get? > > > I seem to recall someone mentioning that the > original CD of 'Thief' was > recorded from a rather bad copy of the master tape, > and the SBM version is > much improved. > > > Maff > _______________________________________________ > www.tachyon-tv.co.uk > www.maff.da.ru > www.mst3uk.com > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ===== DanD - aka DJAmbient www.ambientissue.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Sun Jul 21, 2002 12:55 am Subject: Re A bit Off Topic, Sorry, Kitaro Well people, the last few days I've been on a Kitaro trip. Today I've been mostly listening and watching his 'Live In America' VHS on repeat, definitely recommended, BTW. Anyways, I just thought I'd pass on a little info that I thought was a little interesting that I came across. Kitaro's real name is Masanori Takahashi and he was born in 1953, [So he's only seven years older than me! 8-\ 8-) I must be getting old! But I still can do _it_ with the _best_ of them 8-)] and his stage name means 'man of joy and love'. The other day I had said that I had thought he was 'blessed with natural talent'. Well, this is what he has to said, that he gives credit for his creations to a power beyond himself. 'This music is not from my mind. It is from heaven, going through my body and out my fingers. Sometimes I wonder, I never practice, I don't read or write music, but my fingers move. I wonder, 'Whose song is this?' I write my songs, but they are not my songs.' Interesting I thought ..... I guess Yanni isn't alone in not being able to read or write music. 8-\ 8-) Also people, some of you may want to note that I'm in the middle of changing ISP's, so my email address will be changing to farellano@c... . At the moment I have two for two different computers, but on my new email address I still need to change the configurations so that it'll let me send out my email. 8-\ I should have switched to high speed cable a _long_ time ago !! 8-\ Have a good one from 'Idahammer', i..t's alll goood 8-) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35113 Re: Re A bit Off Topic, Sorry, Kitaro Paul Dryden Thu 8/1/2002 5 KB From: Mark Filipak Date: Sun Jul 21, 2002 7:39 am Subject: OT: HIA 'Colourform' Would anyone who has this CD kindly contact me. Thanks -- Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34908 Re: OT: HIA 'Colourform' Max Rible Sun 7/21/2002 2 KB From: Max Rible Date: Sun Jul 21, 2002 8:20 am Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: HIA 'Colourform' On Sun, 2002-07-21 at 00:39, Mark Filipak wrote: > Would anyone who has this CD kindly contact me. I've got 'Colourform' and 'Freefloater'. -- %% Max Rible % slothman@a... % www.amurgsval.org/~slothman/ %% %% 'Before enlightenment: sharpen claws, catch mice. %% %% After enlightenment: sharpen claws, catch mice.' %% From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Sun Jul 21, 2002 2:27 pm Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #278 EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #278 July 28, 2002. RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Robert Carty, who creates ambient and spacemusic from his unique perspective. The Featured CD at midnight was 'Midnight Rainbows' on the Deep Sky label. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP 'Aqua' by Edgar Froese on the Brain label. Robert Carty http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2002/focus02.html#jul PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Edgar Froese Upland Aqua (Brain) Bjorn Lynne Messages Colony (none) Mark Jenkins Weaponised Strain 11966 Sequencer Loops (AMP) Mark Jenkins Peace Machine Sequencer Loops (AMP) Artemiy Artemiev and Part I Transfiguration (ElectroShock) Peter Frohmader Paul Ellis and Sands of Time Live at the Alladin (none) Steve Roach VA [Steve Roach] New Planet Passage * The Gatherings (Synkronos) 12:00 am Robert Carty Near That Place Midnight Rainbows (Deep Sky) Robert Carty Viscosity Midnight Rainbows (Deep Sky) Robert Carty Goyaba Midnight Rainbows (Deep Sky) Robert Carty Resonant Imaging Midnight Rainbows (Deep Sky) Robert Carty Lodestone Midnight Rainbows (Deep Sky) Robert Carty Windswept Vista Midnight Rainbows (Deep Sky) Robert Carty Tending the Flame * Midnight Rainbows (Deep Sky) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll conclude the month-long focus on Robert Carty. The Featured CD at Midnight will be 'Source' on the Deep Sky label. The vinyl show starter will be from the LP 'Heaven and Hell' by Vangelis on the RCA label. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. Show Sites: http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm Radio Station Web Sites: http://wdiyfm.org http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us From: thomas b Date: Sun Jul 21, 2002 2:56 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] SBMs x old Virgins Hi Gustavo and everyone else, I generally like the Super Bit Mapping releases from Virgin. There is one BIG exception though, and that is Encore. On all the other CDs they remastered they have done a well balanced job, but listen to the piano intro of 'Monolight' and you realize someone screwed up bigtime. On the original CD release, and even more so on the vinyl, it sounds reasonably like a piano, which I think was the intent. But on the SBM remaster, it sounds like they put the microphone inside a pillow (although there probably wasn't a microphone at all, that's still what it sounds like). I think they focused so much on taking the noise out that they forgot about the actual music! Listen and compare, it is SO obvious! They didn't do the same mistake on the other CDs, and they sound just fine. I personally prefer the old CDs, as I think they sound more 'organic' and have more grunt than the new ones, more musical. But if you like clean and bright recordings, than the SBM remasters are for you. The best CD of 'Rubycon' out there is the Super Audio CD though, but that's another chapter. Thomas Bertilsson St.Paul / MN --- Gustavo Jobim wrote: > Hi folks, I'm sure this question must've been asked > before, but please help me. Are the Virgin SBMs > really worth to get? I mean, is there a big sound > improvement over ALL old CDs, only a little, or does > it vary? Because I've noticed that while trying to > get the CDs, I ended up getting quite a number of > old Virgins: I have Phaedra, Rubycon, Tangram, White > Eagle and Hyperborea. They were usually for a quite > nice price, and the SBMs are usually for a > considerably higher price. So should I try to > substitute them? What about the others? Should I > absolutely try to get the SBMs or there's not a big > difference - and now I'm beginning to walk in > circles? > > anyway, thanks! > GJ np: Mysterious Semblance from an old Phaedra I > just got (well, better than my old CDR! and the > price was very nice!) > > Gustavo Jobim > gustavojobim@n... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From: Wade Gordon Date: Sun Jul 21, 2002 5:03 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] SBMs x old Virgins Yet bet they are and you can get them very cheap on E-Bay. That are about 95% better that the origional releases on c.d. Wade --- Gustavo Jobim wrote: > Hi folks, I'm sure this question must've been asked > before, but please help me. Are the Virgin SBMs > really worth to get? I mean, is there a big sound > improvement over ALL old CDs, only a little, or does > it vary? Because I've noticed that while trying to > get the CDs, I ended up getting quite a number of > old Virgins: I have Phaedra, Rubycon, Tangram, White > Eagle and Hyperborea. They were usually for a quite > nice price, and the SBMs are usually for a > considerably higher price. So should I try to > substitute them? What about the others? Should I > absolutely try to get the SBMs or there's not a big > difference - and now I'm beginning to walk in > circles? > > anyway, thanks! > GJ np: Mysterious Semblance from an old Phaedra I > just got (well, better than my old CDR! and the > price was very nice!) > > Gustavo Jobim > gustavojobim@n... > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From: 'vic rek' Date: Sun Jul 21, 2002 8:36 pm Subject: Dutch Tyger + FNAC Rockoon I have a strange search (as usual). I am looking for the following TD CDs: Tyger - Holland Jive 100.097 Rockoon - France FNAC Music 662040 WM 334 I need the specific Dutch and French releases. Can anyone help? Thanks in advance. Vic From: 'Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Media' Date: Mon Jul 22, 2002 9:18 am Subject: Infection Instruments Forwarded: InfectionMusic Newsletter Number 001/July 2002 ---------------------------------------------- Welcome to the first InfectionMusic Newsletter. This newsletter will be published on the 22nd day of each month. If you do not wish to receive this information please send an e-mail to newsletter@i... with the word 'REMOVE' in the subject line. InfectionInstruments -------------------- Orders for the Zeit sequencer continue to arrive and the waiting list is now quite long. If you haven't heard of the Zeit sequencer before now then have a look at the InfectionMusic web pages (follow the Instruments link) where there are full functional specifications and CGI renderings of the proposed instruments. Zeit is a 4 track, 16 step analogue-style MIDI/CV sequencer and will be available towards the end of September 2002. Other instruments, including the Phaedra sequencer, are currently being developed by InfectionMusic. More details are available on request. ---------o0)(0o------------ From: Armin Theissen Date: Mon Jul 22, 2002 10:11 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Some comments about the concerts of the 2nd Tangerine Tree Heiko Heerssen wrote: > Since I have already started sending out my Tangerine Tree #2 discs to > some of my branches I thought it might be a good idea to come up with > some background information for those who are interested. > [snip] Hi, I would find it very useful if we had technical info and background info about the concert (no personal opinions!) somewhere on the web. They would make good notes in CD covers. Or do we have something like this already somewhere? Another remark: Why are the graphics of the TD Tree cover artwork so big? I would very prefer if they were 'ready to print' - i.e. in the correct dimensions for the CD covers. just my 2 cents. armin ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34917 Re: Some comments about the concerts of the 2nd T Gustavo Jobim Mon 7/22/2002 3 KB From: Morgan Feldon Date: Mon Jul 22, 2002 2:15 pm Subject: Tangerine Tree 2 >Armin Theissen >I would find it very useful if we had technical info and background >info about the concert (no personal opinions!) somewhere on the >web. They would make good notes in CD covers. Or do we have >something like this already somewhere? The only concert that springs to mind is the 2001 Warsaw show, since it was a unique one-off show. The 1982 Croydon show, while dear to Heiko's and other's hearts, was for all intents and purposes just another date on the October-November 1982 tour. The same can be said of Paris 81 (although it had the best piano solo of that tour I've heard) and Newcastle 81. Yet, Newcastle 81 was unique in that it was one of the very few concerts (only?) where Johannes plays the guitar lead on a synth for a bit before Edgar gets on stage with his guitar and takes over (to much applause). The 1978 Hamburg show gains inclusion on the Tangerine Tree because, musically, it's a step above the other 78 shows and because it's pretty much the only 1978 show for which a Tangerine Tree-quality recording exists. (Don't Walk, Dream Now is a fairly clear 78 recording). Royal Albert Hall 75 is from the BBC mono master tape and was performed by Edgar Frose, Chris Franke, and Michael Hoenig while Baumann was, erm, unavailable. I don't know of any special details about the Mannheim or Saarbrucken 1976 shows. Mannheim is a really awesome show, musically. Saarbrucken, however, it seems like they really didn't have it together that night. Both are included because the master audience tapes for both of these shows came forward about a year ago but were only available on CDRs which had been recorded with the gain (volume) at an astronomical setting. So even though they were transferred from the pleasant-sounding master tapes, all of the music turned out distorted and overdriven. Someone's idea of remastering was to turn the volume up?! Fortunately, the master tapes were obtained and another transfer was done and Heiko's remastering galley slaves were put to work on them! :) >Another remark: Why are the graphics of the TD Tree cover artwork >so big? I would very prefer if they were 'ready to print' - i.e. >in the correct dimensions for the CD covers. They are ready-to-print, provided you aren't printing out of something like Internet Explorer or some tool that doesn't really know how to read a JPEG! Each cover is the proper size, but at a higher resolution than your screen (resulting in beautiful print-outs (300dpi). ACDSee, Paint Shop Pro, and Adobe Photoshop are all capable JPEG viewers/printers for Windows, ranging from free to $600. GraphicConverter is an accomplished JPEG viewer/printer for Mac, and the best part is, it's free. You can free to e-mail me if you have further questions/issues with printing covers. CAUTION!!! There are some slight changes being made to the Tree 2 artwork, specifically since Tree 11 is no longer a Birmingham Odeon 1986 tape but now a Hamburg Audimax 1978 tape. If you have not yet printed it, wait a couple of days. If you have printed it, stay tuned for a list of the changes on each so you can decide which ones need to be printed. -Morgan P.S. If you thought 'Space and Spheres' or 'Dreamtime' were good recordings of Newcastle 81, fasten your seatbelts. :) :) From: Morgan Feldon Date: Mon Jul 22, 2002 2:27 pm Subject: Tangerine Tree 2 (trying again) I hit SEND too soon. >Armin Theissen >I would find it very useful if we had technical info and background >info about the concert (no personal opinions!) somewhere on the >web. They would make good notes in CD covers. Or do we have >something like this already somewhere? The only concert that springs to mind is the 2001 Warsaw show, since it was a unique one-off show. The 1982 Croydon show, while dear to Heiko's and other's hearts, was for all intents and purposes just another date on the October-November 1982 tour. The same can be said of Paris 81 (although it had the best piano solo of that tour I've heard) and Newcastle 81. Newcastle 81 was unique in that it was one of the very few (only?) concerts where Johannes plays the guitar lead on a synth for a bit before Edgar gets on stage with his guitar and takes over (to much applause). This is one of the best, if not the best performance of Bondy Parade. What appeared on Sohoman is not even in the same category of cool. The 1978 Hamburg show gains inclusion on the Tangerine Tree because, musically, it's more interesting than the other 78 shows and because it's pretty much the only 1978 show for which a Tangerine Tree-quality recording exists. ('Don't Walk, Dream Now' being the other one). Royal Albert Hall 75 is from the BBC mono master tape and was performed by Edgar Frose, Chris Franke, and Michael Hoenig while Peter Baumann was, erm, unavailable. I don't know of any special details about the Mannheim or Saarbrucken 1976 shows. Mannheim is an awesome show, musically. However for the Saarbrucken gig, it seems like they really didn't have it together that night. Both are included because the master audience tapes for both of these shows came forward about a year ago but were only available on CDRs which had been recorded with the gain (volume) at an astronomical setting. So even though they were transferred from the pleasant-sounding master tapes, all of the music turned out distorted and overdriven. Someone's idea of remastering was to turn the volume up?! Fortunately, the master tapes were obtained and another transfer was done and Heiko's remastering galley slaves were put to work on them! :) >Another remark: Why are the graphics of the TD Tree cover artwork >so big? I would very prefer if they were 'ready to print' - i.e. >in the correct dimensions for the CD covers. The covers have the correct ready-to-print sizes contained in them, but you need a JPEG viewer/printer which can read and deal with this information. Internet Explorer or any other web browser is not the answer. Download the artwork to your hard drive and then open each item up in a decent JPEG viewer/printer. I think you'll have better printing results then! If you already have Adobe Photoshop, then you have a very capable JPEG program. If not, may I suggest these free programs: ACDSee (Windows) http://www.acdsee.com/ Paint Shop Pro (Windows) http://www.jasc.com/ GraphicConverter (Macintosh) http://lemkesoft.com/gcdownload_us.html You can feel free to e-mail me if you have further questions/issues with printing covers. CAUTION!!! There are some slight changes being made to the Tree 2 artwork, specifically since Tree 11 is no longer a Birmingham Odeon 1986 tape but now a Hamburg Audimax 1978 tape. If you have not yet printed it, wait a couple of days. If you have printed it, stay tuned for a list of the changes on each so you can decide which ones need to be printed. -Morgan P.S. If you thought 'Space and Spheres' or 'Dreamtime' were good recordings of Newcastle 81, fasten your seatbelts. :) :) From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Mon Jul 22, 2002 2:35 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Some comments about the concerts of the 2nd Tangerine Tree Armin said: >Hi, >I would find it very useful if we had technical info and background >info about the concert (no personal opinions!) somewhere on the >web. They would make good notes in CD covers. Or do we have >something like this already somewhere? Well, we have on the covers info about the origin of the recording, remastering, line-up, and artwork. For me, that's enough; anything more than this I would probably consider just 'curiosity'. However, I think it's a nice idea to have a bit more detailed information on the TT page about each volume. >Another remark: Why are the graphics of the TD Tree cover artwork >so big? I would very prefer if they were 'ready to print' - i.e. >in the correct dimensions for the CD covers. You certainly see them big because of the high resolution; one way I know how to handle this is importing them into coreldraw. they should appear with the right size, ready to print. Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... From: Armin Theissen Date: Mon Jul 22, 2002 3:53 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Some comments about the concerts of the 2nd Tangerine Tree sure there are tools to re-size them. I used the gimp. But it would have been nicer to provide them in the correct size. armin Gustavo Jobim wrote: > Armin said: > >>Hi, >>I would find it very useful if we had technical info and background >>info about the concert (no personal opinions!) somewhere on the >>web. They would make good notes in CD covers. Or do we have >>something like this already somewhere? >> > > Well, we have on the covers info about the origin of the recording, remastering, line-up, and artwork. For me, that's enough; anything more than this I would probably consider just 'curiosity'. However, I think it's a nice idea to have a bit more detailed information on the TT page about each volume. > > >>Another remark: Why are the graphics of the TD Tree cover artwork >>so big? I would very prefer if they were 'ready to print' - i.e. >>in the correct dimensions for the CD covers. >> > > You certainly see them big because of the high resolution; one way I know how to handle this is importing them into coreldraw. they should appear with the right size, ready to print. > > Gustavo Jobim > gustavojobim@n... > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34921 Re: Some comments about the concerts of the 2nd T Gustavo Jobim Mon 7/22/2002 3 KB From: Armin Theissen Date: Mon Jul 22, 2002 4:22 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Joe Satriani yes, Satriani is cool. Couldn't go to his gig yesterday in Dublin, though. Conrad, tell us about it! TD link? They credit Satriani on TOTT ;-) a. Adele Outland wrote: > This is just a heads up for those who may care that Joe Satriani and Dream > Theater with King's X is/are scheduled to play Aug 21 7:30pm at Ruth Eckerd > Hall in Clearwater, Florida. Tickets are $37.50 and $42.50 at 727-791-7400 > or plus service charge via Ticketmaster 813-287-8844. I've heard him > mentioned here before as being a very good guitar player. Wish I could go, > but the prices are a bit beyond me. Especially if I want to save up for next > year's Ricochet Gathering. 8-Dell > > All IMO of course. > NP: a piece of Croyden '75; can't wait til I get TTII! > > > As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams. > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34950 Re: Joe Satriani Conrad Gibbons Tue 7/23/2002 4 KB From: Armin Theissen Date: Mon Jul 22, 2002 4:25 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 2 well, I convert the artwork files into postscript, send them to the printer (b/w first to check) and they are huge... So I have to take the gimp and scale them. Or I would have to, haven't done that yet. a. Morgan Feldon wrote: >>Armin Theissen >> > >>I would find it very useful if we had technical info and background >>info about the concert (no personal opinions!) somewhere on the >>web. They would make good notes in CD covers. Or do we have >>something like this already somewhere? >> > > The only concert that springs to mind is the 2001 Warsaw show, since it was > a unique one-off show. > > The 1982 Croydon show, while dear to Heiko's and other's hearts, was for > all intents and purposes just another date on the October-November 1982 > tour. The same can be said of Paris 81 (although it had the best piano solo > of that tour I've heard) and Newcastle 81. > > Yet, Newcastle 81 was unique in that it was one of the very few concerts > (only?) where Johannes plays the guitar lead on a synth for a bit before > Edgar gets on stage with his guitar and takes over (to much applause). > > The 1978 Hamburg show gains inclusion on the Tangerine Tree because, > musically, it's a step above the other 78 shows and because it's pretty > much the only 1978 show for which a Tangerine Tree-quality recording > exists. (Don't Walk, Dream Now is a fairly clear 78 recording). > > Royal Albert Hall 75 is from the BBC mono master tape and was performed by > Edgar Frose, Chris Franke, and Michael Hoenig while Baumann was, erm, > unavailable. > > I don't know of any special details about the Mannheim or Saarbrucken 1976 > shows. Mannheim is a really awesome show, musically. Saarbrucken, however, > it seems like they really didn't have it together that night. Both are > included because the master audience tapes for both of these shows came > forward about a year ago but were only available on CDRs which had been > recorded with the gain (volume) at an astronomical setting. So even though > they were transferred from the pleasant-sounding master tapes, all of the > music turned out distorted and overdriven. Someone's idea of remastering > was to turn the volume up?! > > Fortunately, the master tapes were obtained and another transfer was done > and Heiko's remastering galley slaves were put to work on them! :) > > >>Another remark: Why are the graphics of the TD Tree cover artwork >>so big? I would very prefer if they were 'ready to print' - i.e. >>in the correct dimensions for the CD covers. >> > > They are ready-to-print, provided you aren't printing out of something like > Internet Explorer or some tool that doesn't really know how to read a JPEG! > Each cover is the proper size, but at a higher resolution than your screen > (resulting in beautiful print-outs (300dpi). > > ACDSee, Paint Shop Pro, and Adobe Photoshop are all capable JPEG > viewers/printers for Windows, ranging from free to $600. > > GraphicConverter is an accomplished JPEG viewer/printer for Mac, and the > best part is, it's free. > > You can free to e-mail me if you have further questions/issues with > printing covers. > > > CAUTION!!! There are some slight changes being made to the Tree 2 artwork, > specifically since Tree 11 is no longer a Birmingham Odeon 1986 tape but > now a Hamburg Audimax 1978 tape. If you have not yet printed it, wait a > couple of days. If you have printed it, stay tuned for a list of the > changes on each so you can decide which ones need to be printed. > > -Morgan > > P.S. If you thought 'Space and Spheres' or 'Dreamtime' were good recordings > of Newcastle 81, fasten your seatbelts. :) :) > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Mon Jul 22, 2002 5:06 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Some comments about the concerts of the 2nd Tangerine Tree >sure there are tools to re-size them. I used the gimp. >But it would have been nicer to provide them in the >correct size. >armin yeah but my point was, they _are_ in the correct size; the thing is the resolution, so sometimes, um, the software won't open the right size because of the high resolution; i'm sure if you open with one of the tools Morgan recommended or, like I said, import on coreldraw, they should open, well, as they should, and you wouldn't need to resize, just print. GJ np. Sequensea part 7, The Selfplaying Harpsichord (just a little one-hour-long album in 10 parts I took 7 months to compose and assemble on XM module format and finished about one and a half years ago ;D Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... From: Morgan Feldon Date: Mon Jul 22, 2002 5:53 pm Subject: Tangerine Tree 2 Anyone who is printing Tangerine Tree 2 artwork from the files put out before today, stop!! It looks like virtually all the artwork has at least minor changes in the final versions coming out today. -Morgan From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Mon Jul 22, 2002 5:59 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 2 let me see ... the cats with the fiddle? or is the cat fiddling while Rome burns... I forget how that goes...wait... the cat is fiddling with TT2? ;-) dale Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Morgan Feldon' To: Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 10:53 AM Subject: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 2 > Anyone who is printing Tangerine Tree 2 artwork from the files put out > before today, stop!! > > It looks like virtually all the artwork has at least minor changes in the > final versions coming out today. > > -Morgan > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'convention24' Date: Mon Jul 22, 2002 6:27 pm Subject: TD live Croyden England 1982. I had never heard this concert until i recieved the discs today,what an absolute beauty,Classic phenomenal concert,an absolute pleasure. many thanks again to the Great Mr Heerssen,im sure im going to enjoy this batch as much as the first. From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Mon Jul 22, 2002 7:45 pm Subject: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 2 Cover Art Download The final versions of the TT2 cover art are now available for downloading and printing from here: www.mst3uk.com/tdtree Click the TT2 logo to enter. If you downloaded and printed the previous ones from a couple of months ago, please trash them. There was a mis-communication between myself and Heiko regarding when the new tree was coming out, and since that time most of the details for each cover have changed. Click on the 'front', 'back' and 'label' links and each graphic will pop open in a new browser window. You can then right-click on them and save them to your hard drive for printing. Each graphic is in 300dpi for maximum quality, and although they look very large they will print at the correct size if your printer supports it. Front covers should be printed in landscape, back covers in portrait. If you have a disc label applicator, you can load the labels into the template program that comes with the label presser. For those who's printers don't support 300dpi, but want the covers anyway, keep an eye on the site later this week. I will be putting up some copies at a lower resolution. I'll also be adding the wrapper design for the TT2 box (you can see a preview of it at www.mst3uk.com/tdtree/vol2/bin/wrapperfront.jpg and www.mst3uk.com/tdtree/vol2/bin/wrapperback.jpg ) along with complete instructions for building a box from scratch. Maff _______________________________________________ www.tachyon-tv.co.uk www.maff.da.ru www.mst3uk.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34926 Re: Tangerine Tree 2 Cover Art Download Administrator for kay-net.com Mon 7/22/2002 4 KB 34927 Re: Tangerine Tree 2 Cover Art Download PERGAMON Mon 7/22/2002 4 KB 34928 Re: Tangerine Tree 2 Cover Art Download Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz Mon 7/22/2002 4 KB 34929 Re: Tangerine Tree 2 Cover Art Download Matthew Sawyer Mon 7/22/2002 2 KB From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Mon Jul 22, 2002 8:10 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 2 Cover Art Download Perfect You spent a lot of time doing this. I for one thank you. dale Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Matthew Sawyer' To: Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 12:45 PM Subject: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 2 Cover Art Download > The final versions of the TT2 cover art are now available for downloading > and printing from here: > > www.mst3uk.com/tdtree > > Click the TT2 logo to enter. > > If you downloaded and printed the previous ones from a couple of months ago, > please trash them. There was a mis-communication between myself and Heiko > regarding when the new tree was coming out, and since that time most of the > details for each cover have changed. > > Click on the 'front', 'back' and 'label' links and each graphic will pop > open in a new browser window. You can then right-click on them and save them > to your hard drive for printing. Each graphic is in 300dpi for maximum > quality, and although they look very large they will print at the correct > size if your printer supports it. Front covers should be printed in > landscape, back covers in portrait. If you have a disc label applicator, you > can load the labels into the template program that comes with the label > presser. > > For those who's printers don't support 300dpi, but want the covers anyway, > keep an eye on the site later this week. I will be putting up some copies at > a lower resolution. > > I'll also be adding the wrapper design for the TT2 box (you can see a > preview of it at www.mst3uk.com/tdtree/vol2/bin/wrapperfront.jpg and > www.mst3uk.com/tdtree/vol2/bin/wrapperback.jpg ) along with complete > instructions for building a box from scratch. > > > > > Maff > _______________________________________________ > www.tachyon-tv.co.uk www.maff.da.ru > www.mst3uk.com > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Mon Jul 22, 2002 7:47 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 2 Cover Art Download Hi Waaaauuuww......cool page, cool covers.......Thanks.............=O) Regards Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Matthew Sawyer' To: Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 9:45 PM Subject: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 2 Cover Art Download > The final versions of the TT2 cover art are now available for downloading > and printing from here: > > www.mst3uk.com/tdtree > > Click the TT2 logo to enter. > > If you downloaded and printed the previous ones from a couple of months ago, > please trash them. There was a mis-communication between myself and Heiko > regarding when the new tree was coming out, and since that time most of the > details for each cover have changed. > > Click on the 'front', 'back' and 'label' links and each graphic will pop > open in a new browser window. You can then right-click on them and save them > to your hard drive for printing. Each graphic is in 300dpi for maximum > quality, and although they look very large they will print at the correct > size if your printer supports it. Front covers should be printed in > landscape, back covers in portrait. If you have a disc label applicator, you > can load the labels into the template program that comes with the label > presser. > > For those who's printers don't support 300dpi, but want the covers anyway, > keep an eye on the site later this week. I will be putting up some copies at > a lower resolution. > > I'll also be adding the wrapper design for the TT2 box (you can see a > preview of it at www.mst3uk.com/tdtree/vol2/bin/wrapperfront.jpg and > www.mst3uk.com/tdtree/vol2/bin/wrapperback.jpg ) along with complete > instructions for building a box from scratch. > > > > > Maff > _______________________________________________ > www.tachyon-tv.co.uk www.maff.da.ru > www.mst3uk.com > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz' Date: Mon Jul 22, 2002 8:48 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 2 Cover Art Download Good job, thank you very much!! BTW: the link to the vol14label2.jpg points to the vol13label2.jpg. Could you correct the mistake? cheers Jarek 'Jerry' mailto:jerry@t... Visit my website at: http://www.tangerinedream.pl/ > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthew Sawyer [mailto:matthewsawyer@b...] > Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 9:45 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 2 Cover Art Download > > > The final versions of the TT2 cover art are now available for > downloading > and printing from here: > > www.mst3uk.com/tdtree > > Click the TT2 logo to enter. > > If you downloaded and printed the previous ones from a couple > of months ago, > please trash them. There was a mis-communication between > myself and Heiko > regarding when the new tree was coming out, and since that > time most of the > details for each cover have changed. > > Click on the 'front', 'back' and 'label' links and each > graphic will pop > open in a new browser window. You can then right-click on > them and save them > to your hard drive for printing. Each graphic is in 300dpi for maximum > quality, and although they look very large they will print at > the correct > size if your printer supports it. Front covers should be printed in > landscape, back covers in portrait. If you have a disc label > applicator, you > can load the labels into the template program that comes with > the label > presser. > > For those who's printers don't support 300dpi, but want the > covers anyway, > keep an eye on the site later this week. I will be putting up > some copies at > a lower resolution. > > I'll also be adding the wrapper design for the TT2 box (you can see a > preview of it at www.mst3uk.com/tdtree/vol2/bin/wrapperfront.jpg and > www.mst3uk.com/tdtree/vol2/bin/wrapperback.jpg ) along with complete > instructions for building a box from scratch. > > > > > Maff > _______________________________________________ > www.tachyon-tv.co.uk www.maff.da.ru > www.mst3uk.com > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Mon Jul 22, 2002 8:54 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 2 Cover Art Download From: 'Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz' > BTW: the link to the vol14label2.jpg points to the vol13label2.jpg. Could > you correct the mistake? Well spotted. It's fixed. Maff From: Mark Filipak Date: Mon Jul 22, 2002 10:51 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Some comments about the concerts of the 2nd Tangerine Tree Hi Armin! Armin Theissen wrote: > > I would find it very useful if we had technical info and background > info about the concert (no personal opinions!) somewhere on the > web. They would make good notes in CD covers. Or do we have > something like this already somewhere? Have you forgotten about John and Mark's excellent Zebbyworld? http://www.zebbyworld.demon.co.uk/ Ciao -- Mark From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Mon Jul 22, 2002 11:32 pm Subject: (OT music): Par Gushel Hello folks, about one year ago my Jarre list colleague from Portugal, Helder Correia and I had an idea of creating a piece of music together; we kept sending music bits to each other, discussing, improving, but we had lot of things to do and were always very busy, so only the day before yesterday we finally finished. It's called Música Sem Nome (Nameless Music), and we called the duo Par Gushel. Well looks like an exotic name for the duo but it's quite simple. We're a pair (pair in portuguese is par), and we're GUStavo and HELder. So there you go. The music was made in XM format and my synth, a roland xp30. I hope you enjoy it! (we love it! :) It's available for download as an Ogg Vorbis file at http://pargushel.webhop.net/ ; it's 6'01' long. We'd appreciate any feedback very much, of course! :) Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... From: Morgan Feldon Date: Mon Jul 22, 2002 11:08 pm Subject: Tangerine Tree 2 Artwork Thanks to Maff, Gustavo, and Marko who have produced now two sets of Tangerine Tree artwork. In order to take some of the burden off Maff's web server, I am once again hosting a duplicate copy of the Tangerine Tree artwork for download on my website. The only difference you'll find is that each Volume of the Tangerine Tree, including cover, tray, and label(s) is packaged in a ZIP file. http://www.feldoncentral.com/tdtree/ Regards, Morgan P.S. Maybe I'll even do some artwork for Tree 3, if there's room. :) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34945 Re: Tangerine Tree 2 Artwork Matthew Sawyer Tue 7/23/2002 3 KB From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Tue Jul 23, 2002 12:54 am Subject: OT: Ripping Music from PS Games Does anyone know a way to pull music from Sony Playstation (I) games? - jim __________________________________________________ Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia, USA moxica@m... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34934 Re: OT: Ripping Music from PS Games quarlie@a... Tue 7/23/2002 2 KB 34935 Re: OT: Ripping Music from PS Games Mark Filipak Tue 7/23/2002 2 KB 34936 Re: OT: Ripping Music from PS Games Admin Tue 7/23/2002 3 KB From: quarlie@a... Date: Tue Jul 23, 2002 2:07 am Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Ripping Music from PS Games In a message dated 7/22/02 8:56:23 PM, moxica@m... writes: >Does anyone know a way to pull music from Sony Playstation (I) games? Step one might be to check if the game has a soundtrack CD available that you can buy to save yourself the trouble. ;) Some places to look, other than the usual CD stores, are www.gamemusic.com and www.cdjapan.co.jp (the latter only for Japanese games, of course). I've done business with both, and they both did a good job. --Daniel NP: Great Wall of China From: Mark Filipak Date: Tue Jul 23, 2002 2:11 am Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Ripping Music from PS Games Hi Jim! Jim Moore wrote: > > Does anyone know a way to pull music from Sony Playstation (I) games? I see stuff on this all the time but haven't saved any of it. I do know that the audio is stored in a standard format (one of the various mixed audio/data formats) but I can't remember which (er... one of the 'transition' formats I think). Anyway, Google on 'rip' +'Playstation' or some such advanced search string and I'm sure you'll get lots of hits. Good luck. I'll send you more info if I find it. -- Mark From: 'Admin' Date: Tue Jul 23, 2002 3:11 am Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Ripping Music from PS Games Depends on what you mean by pulling? Here is what I do when I want to record the sound track or sound effect on my PSII. Pretty sure you can adapt the PSI to do the same. I set up my sampler to take optical in from the PSII. I use to take the audio out, into a computer or tape deck. Seems the PS1 should have audio out for you to capture audio out. Second method is some disk have the wave files in a folder. You can use a DVD player or CD ROM burner to read the disk. Third, I have read in certain gray areas on the net that there exists software that reads these disks to allow one to make copies as well as rip audio out. Even to the point of allowing you to add your own sound track... I know nada more than this. dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Jim Moore' To: Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 5:54 PM Subject: [tadream] OT: Ripping Music from PS Games > Does anyone know a way to pull music from Sony Playstation (I) games? > > - jim > > __________________________________________________ > Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia, USA > moxica@m... > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: PENFOLD Date: Tue Jul 23, 2002 1:11 am Subject: OT: Pulling music from DVD's I've gotta DVD/CD-ROM drive in my computer and am wondering how to record some music offa one of my DVD's onto my HDD Micro$oft's Sound Recorder can do the trick but it only can let you record 60 seconds and I need more than that.....Is there a way to increase the record time in this app or is there some other way to do this? Pete Isaacson aka °º¤ø,¸DJ DreamHead¸,ø¤º° mailto:penfold@a...?subject=DJDreamHead http://www.anet.net/~penfold/)^(djdreamhead.html Yahoo Chat: penfold235 ····· AIM: PENFOLD235 1984, Saw 'The Keep' LP at Tower Records, actually held it, didn't have the $$.....Damn!!!!! 'Absence of the KEEP LP is not evidence of its non-existence.' - Steven Feldman Watch the Coasters Grow! at: http://www.anet.net/~penfold/coastergarden.html Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34938 Re: OT: Pulling music from DVD's Mark Filipak Tue 7/23/2002 4 KB 34939 Re: OT: Pulling music from DVD's Admin Tue 7/23/2002 2 KB From: Mark Filipak Date: Tue Jul 23, 2002 3:51 am Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Pulling music from DVD's No problem Pete. PENFOLD wrote: > > I've gotta DVD/CD-ROM drive in my computer and am wondering how to > record some music offa one of my DVD's onto my HDD You need a DVD player codec and controller (that has the normal DVD buttons). These usually come with the DVD soft player you got with the DVD drive. Plus, you will need the normal codecs that come with Windows. Then you need to hook them together. This is just like patching together physical equipment. What I use is GraphEdit. It is a freeware graphical audio-video plugboard that you can use to rip or burn audio and/or video. It's cooler than hell. It enables you to rip audio, video, embedded text for the deaf, etc. I've tried other rippers and found them confusing and difficult. This works slick once you've built the plugboard (they call them graphs). I've built plugboards to rip audio only and audio+video. Google for GraphEdit to find the download or write back to me and I'll send you the application as a zip. Ciao -- Mark > > Micro$oft's Sound Recorder can do the trick but it only can let you record > 60 seconds and I need more than that.....Is there a way to increase the > record time in this app or is there some other way to do this? > > Pete Isaacson aka °º¤ø,¸DJ DreamHead¸,ø¤º° > mailto:penfold@a...?subject=DJDreamHead > http://www.anet.net/~penfold/)^(djdreamhead.html > Yahoo Chat: penfold235 ····· AIM: PENFOLD235 > 1984, Saw 'The Keep' LP at Tower Records, actually held it, didn't have the > $$.....Damn!!!!! > 'Absence of the KEEP LP is not evidence of its non-existence.' - Steven > Feldman > > Watch the Coasters Grow! at: http://www.anet.net/~penfold/coastergarden.html > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Admin' Date: Tue Jul 23, 2002 4:02 am Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Pulling music from DVD's You mean you are the only one who uses google on the face of the Earth, Mark? ;-) Other than that, sounds like you got a winner solution... go forth and rip... dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Mark Filipak' To: Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 8:51 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Pulling music from DVD's > No problem Pete. > > Google for GraphEdit to find the download or write back to me and I'll > send you the application as a zip. > > Ciao -- Mark > > From: 'Admin' Date: Tue Jul 23, 2002 4:05 am Subject: Keep I still say someone should buy the rights to the script and redo. dale From: Morgan Feldon Date: Tue Jul 23, 2002 3:42 am Subject: Music from a DVD >Penfold said: > >I've gotta DVD/CD-ROM drive in my computer and am wondering how to record >some music offa one of my DVD's onto my HDD > >Micro$oft's Sound Recorder can do the trick but it only can let you record >60 seconds and I need more than that.....Is there a way to increase the >record time in this app or is there some other way to do this? CoolEdit http://www.syntrillium.com/download/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34943 Re: Music from a DVD Admin Tue 7/23/2002 3 KB From: Mark Filipak Date: Tue Jul 23, 2002 4:12 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Keep Hi Dale! Admin wrote: > > I still say someone should buy the rights to the script and redo. I recently got interested in this while plowing through old emails from 96 onwards. Apparently there are 9 different versions of this movie. Four versions are known: the laser disc version, the VHS version, the cable version, and the broadcast version. What the theatrical version was is anybody's guess. Each has differring scenes and endings (and somewhat differring music). I read some reviews. No one is lukewarm about this movie. You either love it or hate it. I've never seen it in any version. Well Tadreamers. Do you love it or hate it? Ciao -- Mark From: 'Admin' Date: Tue Jul 23, 2002 4:18 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Music from a DVD CoolEdit works great Pete. I prefer it over SoundForge for ease and quick edits. SoundForge has it use too, more like extreme use. dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Morgan Feldon' To: Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 8:42 PM Subject: [tadream] Music from a DVD > > >Penfold said: > > > >I've gotta DVD/CD-ROM drive in my computer and am wondering how to record > >some music offa one of my DVD's onto my HDD > > > >Micro$oft's Sound Recorder can do the trick but it only can let you record > >60 seconds and I need more than that.....Is there a way to increase the > >record time in this app or is there some other way to do this? > > CoolEdit > http://www.syntrillium.com/download/ > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'John Marchington' Date: Tue Jul 23, 2002 4:58 am Subject: Re: [tadream] SBMs x old Virgins I agree entirely with your comments about 'Encore'. I also feel that the SBM version suffers from quite severe level changes that further detract from one's enjoyment. It's as if the noise reduction encoding and decoding weren't matched correctly during the remastering process. (Shades of Dolby 'B' and 'C' NR with cassettes). I've long thought it was a pity that Edgar didn't ultimately decide on a studio recording for that album as I particularly love 'Cherokee Lane' and 'Monolight'. I also agree with your remarks about 'Rubycon'. I've recently had my SACD player upgraded with stunning results and I believe that the SACD of 'Rubycon' is in a class of its own, with remarkable clarity and depth and subtleties simply not noticeable on any of the standard CD versions. It's actually made me appreciate all over again just how wonderful the album is. Hopefully, all the others will eventually follow -- and maybe Relativity (or its equivalent) will get on board too with the very early albums like 'Electronic Meditation', 'Alpha Centauri' and 'Atem'? I recently bought a second-hand (excellent condition, though) Dutch-pressed DISKY CD locally, simply entitled 'Tangerine Dream' that contains the best-sounding 'Phaedra' album I've yet heard. The sound is remarkably 'fresh'. The disc also contains Part One of 'Rubycon' and 'Stratosfear' (just the work, of course, not the album) so it's better value than usual. I'm still going to keep my other versions, though. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'thomas b' To: Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 2:56 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] SBMs x old Virgins > Hi Gustavo and everyone else, > > I generally like the Super Bit Mapping releases from > Virgin. There is one BIG exception though, and that is > Encore. On all the other CDs they remastered they have > done a well balanced job, but listen to the piano > intro of 'Monolight' and you realize someone screwed > up bigtime. On the original CD release, and even more > so on the vinyl, it sounds reasonably like a piano, > which I think was the intent. But on the SBM remaster, > it sounds like they put the microphone inside a pillow > (although there probably wasn't a microphone at all, > that's still what it sounds like). I think they > focused so much on taking the noise out that they > forgot about the actual music! Listen and compare, it > is SO obvious! > They didn't do the same mistake on the other CDs, and > they sound just fine. I personally prefer the old CDs, > as I think they sound more 'organic' and have more > grunt than the new ones, more musical. But if you like > clean and bright recordings, than the SBM remasters > are for you. > The best CD of 'Rubycon' out there is the Super Audio > CD though, but that's another chapter. > > Thomas Bertilsson > St.Paul / MN > > > --- Gustavo Jobim wrote: > > Hi folks, I'm sure this question must've been asked > > before, but please help me. Are the Virgin SBMs > > really worth to get? I mean, is there a big sound > > improvement over ALL old CDs, only a little, or does > > it vary? Because I've noticed that while trying to > > get the CDs, I ended up getting quite a number of > > old Virgins: I have Phaedra, Rubycon, Tangram, White > > Eagle and Hyperborea. They were usually for a quite > > nice price, and the SBMs are usually for a > > considerably higher price. So should I try to > > substitute them? What about the others? Should I > > absolutely try to get the SBMs or there's not a big > > difference - and now I'm beginning to walk in > > circles? > > > > anyway, thanks! > > GJ np: Mysterious Semblance from an old Phaedra I > > just got (well, better than my old CDR! and the > > price was very nice!) > > > > Gustavo Jobim > > gustavojobim@n... > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better > http://health.yahoo.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Tue Jul 23, 2002 6:45 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 2 Artwork From: 'Morgan Feldon' > In order to take some of the burden off Maff's web server, I am once again > hosting a duplicate copy of the Tangerine Tree artwork for download on my > website. > Thanks for the webspace Morgan. My server can be a litlte erratic in the evenings, so for anyone having problems please check out Morgans mirror site. > P.S. Maybe I'll even do some artwork for Tree 3, if there's room. :) I'd love to see what you come up with mate! Maff _______________________________________________ www.tachyon-tv.co.uk www.maff.da.ru www.mst3uk.com From: 'colin anderson' Date: Tue Jul 23, 2002 8:50 am Subject: Re: Tangerine Tree 2 artwork Awesome stuff again. Thanks to all you guys involved in the artwork project. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34957 Re: Tangerine Tree 2 artwork Armin Theissen Wed 7/24/2002 3 KB 34967 Re: Tangerine Tree 2 artwork Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz Wed 7/24/2002 4 KB 34969 AW: [tadream] Re: Tangerine Tree 2 artwork Herbert Wed 7/24/2002 4 KB 34958 Re: Tangerine Tree 2 artwork Matthew Sawyer Wed 7/24/2002 3 KB 34959 Re: Tangerine Tree 2 artwork Armin Theissen Wed 7/24/2002 4 KB From: 'E Neal Frost' Date: Tue Jul 23, 2002 3:43 am Subject: Klaus Schulze Hello All, I have just received the concert for Klaus Schulze and Manuel Gottsching from 5.19.01 Live from the Fritz, Berlin. The artwork I was given have the right month and day, but the wrong year. Can someone clear this up for me? I could probably figure it out myself, but I have worked 16 hours today and my mind has gone on strike for the rest of the night. Thanks Neal Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34948 Re: Klaus Schulze zathrus13 Tue 7/23/2002 2 KB 34949 Re: Klaus Schulze heineu Tue 7/23/2002 2 KB From: 'zathrus13' Date: Tue Jul 23, 2002 11:57 am Subject: Re: Klaus Schulze My CDR says 5/19/01...... ---Jeff --- In tadream@y..., 'E Neal Frost' wrote: > Hello All, > > I have just received the concert for Klaus Schulze and Manuel Gottsching > from 5.19.01 Live from the Fritz, Berlin. > > The artwork I was given have the right month and day, but the wrong year. > > Can someone clear this up for me? I could probably figure it out myself, but > I have worked 16 hours today and my mind has gone on strike for the rest of > the night. > > Thanks > Neal From: 'heineu' Date: Tue Jul 23, 2002 1:07 pm Subject: Re: Klaus Schulze Hello Neal, they played 1997 in Berlin - Babelsberg at Studio A - 'Radio Fritz'. Line up: Klaus Schulze Manuel Göttsching (on two tracks) Jörg Schaaf and R. Oostwood (singer) If you need more information about this, contact me off_list. Regards heiko - Mr. Optical http://www.opticaldream.de http://www.tribute-to-ashra.de --- In tadream@y..., 'E Neal Frost' wrote: > Hello All, > > I have just received the concert for Klaus Schulze and Manuel Gottsching > from 5.19.01 Live from the Fritz, Berlin. > > The artwork I was given have the right month and day, but the wrong year. > > Can someone clear this up for me? I could probably figure it out myself, but > I have worked 16 hours today and my mind has gone on strike for the rest of > the night. > > Thanks > Neal From: 'Conrad Gibbons' Date: Mon Jul 22, 2002 6:00 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Joe Satriani Hi gang, Just back from Dublin! WOW!!! The Satriani gig was way COOL!!!! ;-) He played for 2 and a half hours. Met him afterwards! Cool night!!! Highlight for me was when he sat and played the Headless Horseman and Midnight... amazing! I was about 10 feet from him too! Back to TD chat now!!! Conrad -----Original Message----- From: Armin Theissen [mailto:Armin.Theissen@s...] Sent: 22 July 2002 17:22 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [tadream] Joe Satriani yes, Satriani is cool. Couldn't go to his gig yesterday in Dublin, though. Conrad, tell us about it! TD link? They credit Satriani on TOTT ;-) a. Adele Outland wrote: > This is just a heads up for those who may care that Joe Satriani and Dream > Theater with King's X is/are scheduled to play Aug 21 7:30pm at Ruth Eckerd > Hall in Clearwater, Florida. Tickets are $37.50 and $42.50 at 727-791-7400 > or plus service charge via Ticketmaster 813-287-8844. I've heard him > mentioned here before as being a very good guitar player. Wish I could go, > but the prices are a bit beyond me. Especially if I want to save up for next > year's Ricochet Gathering. 8-Dell > > All IMO of course. > NP: a piece of Croyden '75; can't wait til I get TTII! > > > As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams. > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Tue Jul 23, 2002 3:39 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Keep I remember seeing a broadcast version long ago, tail end and only once then never more. I recently got the VHS version which jogged my memory or the other version. I think you are right, you either love it or hate. I like it and think it has potential. Now the purist would say, leave it. I think if I had the chance, I alter it a tad too. Refine the score, bring out the music, alter the scenes to fit the mood and highlight the music. Evil as I am. I started putting this bug into the ears of certain film students I know already. They are passing this onto the instructors. I even mentioned this to other directors already. Most are too buy so far to even think about researching another project let alone another project... But I am poking at it... dale Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Mark Filipak' To: Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 9:12 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Keep > Hi Dale! > > Admin wrote: > > > > I still say someone should buy the rights to the script and redo. > > I read some reviews. No one is lukewarm about this movie. You either love > it or hate it. I've never seen it in any version. From: Liondream@a... Date: Tue Jul 23, 2002 3:39 pm Subject: Very OT: Infected Glenn, Hooraaaaaaaay! Thanks for posting this... the Zeit and Phaedra really made my day, nah year!!! Very cool indeed. I'm definitely signing up for one!!! I've done a heck of a lot of research into hardware sequencers with midi over the past few months and for an analog style sequencer with a decent midi implementation, and multiple tracks, the Zeit by far looks like the best one yet. I think it will definitely compete well against the Doepfer Regelwerk and Schaltwerk, and looks like it addresses some of their shortcomings. The Frostwave Fat Controller looked pretty good but is limited in comparison. Someone on this list suggested the sequencer modules on the Nord modular, which are certainly good sequencers (obviously as demonstrated by Air Sculpture and others), but not nearly the same beast. The Zeit looks brilliant as a dedicated, hands-on stand-alone unit and is definitely something to look forward to! Thanks. <<>> Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34954 Re: Very OT: Infected Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Med Tue 7/23/2002 2 KB From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Wed Jul 24, 2002 7:08 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Keep I've always had a soft spot for The Keep, and for years in the UK, it was a film which was not easy to get hold of. The VHS was deleted in the mid to late 80s, and it wasn't shown on TV for the best part of 10 years. It almost had the status of a 'lost' movie, until it was shown on BBC2 about 5 years ago in partial widescreen. It was like watching the holy grail of movies! It's been shown on FilmFour on digital satellite TV for the past year or two in full widescreen, though I've no idea which version was shown. I've always been a huge admirer of Michael Mann's movies (which just seem to get better and better the more he makes), and while The Keep certainly has its faults in terms of pacing and plotting, it has enough striking visual qualities and fine use of scene-enhancing music to keep me more than interested. Mann is a consumate visual stylist, and in lesser hands The Keep would have been another obscure horror movie that no one remembers very much. But the reason it still gets mentioned and viewed so much today is solely because of its cult status, which it has earned thanks to two things: Michael Mann's skill and artistry as a filmmaker, and TD's now-legendary score. Love it or hate it, it's one movie that even 20 years after it was made, we are still talking about. - Chris From: 'Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Media' Date: Tue Jul 23, 2002 11:12 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Very OT: Infected Glad you found it interesting. But, it can hardly be OT when the item is named after a TD album. Heck, they have TWO sequencers named after TD albums :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 5:39 PM Subject: [tadream] Very OT: Infected > Glenn, > > Hooraaaaaaaay! Thanks for posting this... the Zeit and Phaedra really made my day, nah year!!! Very cool indeed. I'm definitely signing up for one!!! From: Date: Wed Jul 24, 2002 9:21 am Subject: Vinyl searching hello, I am searching following vinyl: + Terranova - Tokyo Tower / 12' Vinyl / All Good Vinyl AGV 015 / Germany 1997 + Sueno Latino - sueno Latino / 12' vinyl / Echo Chamber V-15538 / USA + SF - Ordal / Vinyl LP / Ordal SF-1 / Germany 1985 / Independant Label + Mickie D`s Unicorn / IC KS 58.064 / Vinyl 1979 or CD: Nnavigator NAV 8904-2 / Germany 1993 if you have this for trade or sale, please contact me off_list. regards heiko - Mr. Optical heiko@o... http://www.opticaldream.de http://www.tribute-to-ashra.de [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Armin Theissen Date: Wed Jul 24, 2002 9:58 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Some comments about the concerts of the 2nd Tangerine Tree yes... must have. Thanks for the pointer armin Mark Filipak wrote: > Hi Armin! > > Armin Theissen wrote: > >>I would find it very useful if we had technical info and background >>info about the concert (no personal opinions!) somewhere on the >>web. They would make good notes in CD covers. Or do we have >>something like this already somewhere? >> > > Have you forgotten about John and Mark's excellent Zebbyworld? > > http://www.zebbyworld.demon.co.uk/ > > Ciao -- Mark > > -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen From: Armin Theissen Date: Wed Jul 24, 2002 10:23 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Tangerine Tree 2 artwork Hi, is there anywhere a zip or tar.gz file with all Tree covers together? armin colin anderson wrote: > Awesome stuff again. Thanks to all you guys involved in the artwork project. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34967 Re: Tangerine Tree 2 artwork Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz Wed 7/24/2002 4 KB 34969 AW: [tadream] Re: Tangerine Tree 2 artwork Herbert Wed 7/24/2002 4 KB From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Wed Jul 24, 2002 10:25 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Tangerine Tree 2 artwork From: 'Armin Theissen' > is there anywhere a zip or tar.gz file with all Tree covers > together? The closest thing is zip files of each cover set (8 zip files in total) at Morgans mirror location: http://www.feldoncentral.com/tdtree/ Maff _______________________________________________ www.tachyon-tv.co.uk www.maff.da.ru www.mst3uk.com From: Armin Theissen Date: Wed Jul 24, 2002 10:41 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Tangerine Tree 2 artwork yes, what I meant is *all volumes* together in one single zip file, not each volume (which consists of several files for front, back etc) separately. I admit, that would be a large file, but I may not be the only one who can download this quickly from work (with high bandwidth) on the click of one button only. armin Matthew Sawyer wrote: > From: 'Armin Theissen' > >>is there anywhere a zip or tar.gz file with all Tree covers >>together? >> > > > The closest thing is zip files of each cover set (8 zip files in total) at > Morgans mirror location: > > http://www.feldoncentral.com/tdtree/ > > > Maff > _______________________________________________ > www.tachyon-tv.co.uk www.maff.da.ru > www.mst3uk.com > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen From: Groove Unlimited Date: Wed Jul 24, 2002 1:06 pm Subject: E-Live 2002 Line-up: Neuronium with Pascal Languirand (ES) Frank Van Bogaert (BE) Amir Baghiri (DE) Boots, Aerts, H. vd Heijden, E. vd Heijden (NL) E-Live 2002 wil take place on September 21st! Location is the TU in Eindhoven and there's room for 420 people. Tickets cost € 25 in pre-sales and € 30 at the box-office. Pre-sales have started. All info: http://www.groove.nl/elive.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35370 E-Live 2002 Groove Unlimited Sat 8/10/2002 2 KB 35792 E-Live 2002 Groove Unlimited groovekees Fri 8/30/2002 2 KB From: Liondream@a... Date: Wed Jul 24, 2002 3:03 pm Subject: OT: Zeit Sequencer Yes, a good point. The Zeit and the Phaedra, and they say that the demo song is inspired by Tangerine Dream, as well as referring to Tangerine Dream in their description of what the sequencer does. Still... I wanted to warn those who are into the music and not the gear. :-) So, yeah... I downloaded the spec paper and read it through. Sounds like a very nice feature list indeed in terms of looping modes available, etc. The only thing is that the unit sounds like it will be HUGE sizewise! ...and all those pretty leds! Time to start up that paper route again... << Subject: Re: Very OT: Infected Glad you found it interesting. But, it can hardly be OT when the item is named after a TD album. Heck, they have TWO sequencers named after TD albums :-)>>> Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34962 Re: OT: Zeit Sequencer Paul Lawler Wed 7/24/2002 3 KB 34964 Re: OT: Zeit Sequencer Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Med Wed 7/24/2002 2 KB From: 'Paul Lawler' Date: Wed Jul 24, 2002 3:08 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Zeit Sequencer where can I get info on these sequencers ? thanks Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 4:03 PM Subject: [tadream] OT: Zeit Sequencer > Yes, a good point. The Zeit and the Phaedra, and they say that the demo song is inspired by Tangerine Dream, as well as referring to Tangerine Dream in their description of what the sequencer does. > > Still... I wanted to warn those who are into the music and not the gear. :-) > > So, yeah... I downloaded the spec paper and read it through. Sounds like a very nice feature list indeed in terms of looping modes available, etc. The only thing is that the unit sounds like it will be HUGE sizewise! > > ...and all those pretty leds! > > Time to start up that paper route again... > > > > << Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 01:12:00 +0200 > From: 'Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Media' > Subject: Re: Very OT: Infected > > Glad you found it interesting. > > But, it can hardly be OT when the item is named after a TD album. Heck, they > have TWO sequencers named after TD albums :-)>>> > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Wed Jul 24, 2002 3:58 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] EMUSIC Playlist #277 Thanks, Jonathan. WDIY is working on streaming but WMUH already has it. Try my Thursday 8am-10am weekly show (no EM content) or my Saturday 6am-8am biweekly show (some EM content) on WMUH. Cheers, Bill =============================================================================== Show Sites: http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm Radio Station Web Sites: http://wdiyfm.org http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Jonathan Holt' > Sounds like a great show... I WANT TO HEAR IT!!! > Get streaming and get it now! :-) From: 'Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Media' Date: Wed Jul 24, 2002 4:05 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Zeit Sequencer Try infectionmusic.com or was it .org? Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Paul Lawler' To: Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 5:08 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Zeit Sequencer > where can I get info on these sequencers ? > > thanks > > Paul From: Morgan Feldon Date: Wed Jul 24, 2002 4:46 pm Subject: Zeit + Phaedra Sequencers http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/instruments.html http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/instrumentsFAQ.html Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34966 Re: Zeit + Phaedra Sequencers Paul Lawler Wed 7/24/2002 3 KB 34973 Re: Zeit + Phaedra Sequencers Synthhtnys@a... Thu 7/25/2002 2 KB From: 'Paul Lawler' Date: Wed Jul 24, 2002 5:08 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Zeit + Phaedra Sequencers thanks for that , think i may get one ! Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Morgan Feldon' To: Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 5:46 PM Subject: [tadream] Zeit + Phaedra Sequencers > http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/instruments.html > > http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/instrumentsFAQ.html > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz' Date: Wed Jul 24, 2002 7:58 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Tangerine Tree 2 artwork Hi guys, I've zipped all the covers into the one *.zip file. It's about 10.5 MB large. You can download it using this link: http://www.tangerinedream.pl/tdtree2/tt2covers.zip (server located in Jersey City, USA, transfer rate not less than 512kbps). I will leave the file there for some time... cheers Jarek 'Jerry' mailto:jerry@t... Visit my website at: http://www.tangerinedream.pl/ > is there anywhere a zip or tar.gz file with all Tree covers > together? > > armin > > colin anderson wrote: > > > Awesome stuff again. Thanks to all you guys involved in the > artwork project. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 > SUN Microsystems Ireland > > 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' > - Woody Allen > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34969 AW: [tadream] Re: Tangerine Tree 2 artwork Herbert Wed 7/24/2002 4 KB From: 'tei waz' Date: Wed Jul 24, 2002 8:03 pm Subject: [sonambulistic imagery] 'release date' any idea when the boot in the subject header was 'released'/'started appearing'? --T _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34974 Re: [sonambulistic imagery] 'release date' Mark Filipak Thu 7/25/2002 2 KB 35020 [sonambulistic imagery] 'release date' Klaus Beschorner Sat 7/27/2002 3 KB 35061 Re: [sonambulistic imagery] 'release date' Jim Moore Sun 7/28/2002 3 KB 35066 Re: [sonambulistic imagery] 'release date' vic rek Sun 7/28/2002 3 KB 35067 Re: [sonambulistic imagery] 'release date' Jim Moore Sun 7/28/2002 2 KB From: 'Herbert' Date: Wed Jul 24, 2002 8:18 pm Subject: AW: [tadream] Re: Tangerine Tree 2 artwork Yeah. Cool stuff indeed. Worth a nothing without the music. I am missing the actual tangerine tree #2 branch assignments. Herbert > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > Von: Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz [mailto:jerry@t...] > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 24. Juli 2002 21:59 > An: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Betreff: RE: [tadream] Re: Tangerine Tree 2 artwork > > > Hi guys, > > I've zipped all the covers into the one *.zip file. It's about 10.5 MB > large. You can download it using this link: > http://www.tangerinedream.pl/tdtree2/tt2covers.zip (server > located in Jersey > City, USA, transfer rate not less than 512kbps). I will leave > the file there > for some time... > > cheers > > Jarek 'Jerry' > mailto:jerry@t... > Visit my website at: > http://www.tangerinedream.pl/ > > > > > is there anywhere a zip or tar.gz file with all Tree covers > > together? > > > > armin > > > > colin anderson wrote: > > > > > Awesome stuff again. Thanks to all you guys involved in the > > artwork project. > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 > > SUN Microsystems Ireland > > > > 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' > > - Woody Allen > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Michael Jean' Date: Wed Jul 24, 2002 8:16 pm Subject: TT2 and Photoshop 5 If anyone has downloaded the TT tray inserts in Photoshop 5 and printed them successfully, please contact me off list to offer some advice. Regards, Michael A. Jean The Brookings Institution 1775 Massachusetts Avenue, N.W. Washington, DC 20036-2188 TEL: (202)-797-6214 FAX: (202)-797-2479 EMAIL: mjean@b... http://www.brookings.edu [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Morgan Feldon Date: Wed Jul 24, 2002 10:45 pm Subject: Re: [tangerinedream] [sonambulistic imagery] 'release date' http://home.t-online.de/home/320068467926-0003/sonambul.htm As with almost all bootlegs, be aware that it's not the best available recording of this show. There is a better recording from a different place in the audience without people talking all the time. It has only recently surfaced so stay tuned. I guess now is as good a time as any to unveil the updated version of my UnheardTD website. It is still under heavy construction. The goal is to accomplish something I have not yet seen accomplished before. I have seen great lists of concert venues and dates. I have seen great bootleg information sites with cover art, etc. I have not seen a public ranking of every named bootleg or fantape. There is still a lot of information to add, but I think this website has some usefulness (even if it may cause heartburn for diehard collectors) . If you don't see a blue crystal, then there's a better recording of this show in the pipeline. It might be 2 years but it's coming. :) http://www.feldoncentral.com/tddisc/ I have tried to confirm all of the information on this page, especially the blue, light blue, and clear crystals. As I get more information, it will be filled in. -Morgan At 01:03 PM 7/24/2002 -0700, you wrote: >any idea when Sonambulistic Imagery was 'released'/'started >appearing'? > >--T Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34972 Re: [tangerinedream] [sonambulistic imagery] 'rel tei waz Wed 7/24/2002 2 KB From: 'tei waz' Date: Wed Jul 24, 2002 11:10 pm Subject: Re: [tangerinedream] [sonambulistic imagery] 'release date' >As with almost all bootlegs, be aware that it's not the best available recording of this show. There is a better recording from a different place in the audience without people talking all the time. It has only recently surfaced so stay tuned.< hmm, this seems to confirm what I thought true about a tape that I've had for a long time--sounds closer to the piano/stage--sonambulistic imagery still sounds like a VHS recording to me. Wonder if there's video..... --T _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Thu Jul 25, 2002 1:50 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Zeit + Phaedra Sequencers In a message dated 7/24/02 9:49:45 AM Pacific Daylight Time, feldon@f... writes: << http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/instruments.html >> *Wow. Very impressive David. They look gorgeous. Keep us posted on that one. If they do what you say I'll buy one. Poly From: Mark Filipak Date: Thu Jul 25, 2002 5:32 am Subject: Re: [tadream] [sonambulistic imagery] 'release date' tei waz wrote: > > any idea when the boot in the subject header was 'released'/'started > appearing'? Here you go, Thomas (from my Chronology): 'Sonambulistic Imagery' [1993] Blue Moon (TW?) BM-5/BM-6 (boot, KB sound: 9, brittle highs, nice insert booklet) Ciao -- Mark From: 'tangram80' Date: Thu Jul 25, 2002 6:23 am Subject: German Auction Hello everyone I just noticed the following auction: isn't it awesome? http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=895392159 Rgds Jeffrey Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34976 Re: German Auction Mark Filipak Thu 7/25/2002 2 KB 34978 Re: German Auction tangram80 Thu 7/25/2002 2 KB 34979 Re: German Auction heineu Thu 7/25/2002 3 KB 34977 Re: German Auction Heiko Heerssen Thu 7/25/2002 2 KB 34980 Re: German Auction Paul Lawler Thu 7/25/2002 4 KB From: Mark Filipak Date: Thu Jul 25, 2002 6:32 am Subject: Re: [tadream] German Auction Hi Jeffrey! tangram80 wrote: > > Hello everyone > > I just noticed the following auction: isn't it awesome? > > http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=895392159 Hmm... I recognize that room. 8^) 35,000 euro, eh? Lots of expensive toys there. -- Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34978 Re: German Auction tangram80 Thu 7/25/2002 2 KB 34979 Re: German Auction heineu Thu 7/25/2002 3 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Thu Jul 25, 2002 6:42 am Subject: Re: [tadream] German Auction > Hello everyone > > I just noticed the following auction: isn't it awesome? > > http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=895392159 > > Rgds > Jeffrey Starting bid is 35.000 Euro..guess I'll have to check my Paypal account and then make a decision ~lol~ somehow I find this offer very strange. But in case it's not a fake then it seems that KS wants to do something new :-) Heiko [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'tangram80' Date: Thu Jul 25, 2002 7:19 am Subject: Re: German Auction Mark & Heiko It seems that the price of 35,000 Euro does not include the plant in the room... Anyway, more photos are from the official KS site: http://www.klaus-schulze.com/photos/studiot.htm So you can see its the same studio on offer. So if you can afford the price you can play like this: http://www.klaus-schulze.com/photos/studio6.htm Make up your mind Heiko ;-) Jeffrey -- In tadream@y..., Mark Filipak wrote: > Hi Jeffrey! > > tangram80 wrote: > > > > Hello everyone > > > > I just noticed the following auction: isn't it awesome? > > > > http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=895392159 > > Hmm... I recognize that room. 8^) > > 35,000 euro, eh? Lots of expensive toys there. > > -- Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34979 Re: German Auction heineu Thu 7/25/2002 3 KB From: 'heineu' Date: Thu Jul 25, 2002 8:49 am Subject: Re: German Auction hello Guys, seller are the members of Solar Moon System. Klaus Schulze played on and mixed the last SMS Album: Logbook 94_00 . Regards heiko - Mr. Optical http://www.opticaldream.de BTW: Klaus needs Money???? --- In tadream@y..., 'tangram80' wrote: > Mark & Heiko > > It seems that the price of 35,000 Euro does not include the plant in > the room... > > Anyway, more photos are from the official KS site: > http://www.klaus-schulze.com/photos/studiot.htm > > So you can see its the same studio on offer. > > So if you can afford the price you can play like this: > http://www.klaus-schulze.com/photos/studio6.htm > > Make up your mind Heiko ;-) > > Jeffrey > > -- In tadream@y..., Mark Filipak wrote: > > Hi Jeffrey! > > > > tangram80 wrote: > > > > > > Hello everyone > > > > > > I just noticed the following auction: isn't it awesome? > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=895392159 > > > > Hmm... I recognize that room. 8^) > > > > 35,000 euro, eh? Lots of expensive toys there. > > > > -- Mark From: 'Paul Lawler' Date: Thu Jul 25, 2002 8:55 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: German Auction maybe Klause is selling all of his studio so he can become one of those 'Bedroom Musicians' which he loves so much ! Either that or he cant afford his tax bill ;) Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: 'heineu' To: Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 9:49 AM Subject: [tadream] Re: German Auction > > hello Guys, > > seller are the members of Solar Moon System. Klaus Schulze played on > and mixed the last SMS Album: Logbook 94_00 . > > Regards > heiko - Mr. Optical > http://www.opticaldream.de > > > BTW: Klaus needs Money???? > > > --- In tadream@y..., 'tangram80' wrote: > > Mark & Heiko > > > > It seems that the price of 35,000 Euro does not include the plant > in > > the room... > > > > Anyway, more photos are from the official KS site: > > http://www.klaus-schulze.com/photos/studiot.htm > > > > So you can see its the same studio on offer. > > > > So if you can afford the price you can play like this: > > http://www.klaus-schulze.com/photos/studio6.htm > > > > Make up your mind Heiko ;-) > > > > Jeffrey > > > > -- In tadream@y..., Mark Filipak wrote: > > > Hi Jeffrey! > > > > > > tangram80 wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello everyone > > > > > > > > I just noticed the following auction: isn't it awesome? > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=895392159 > > > > > > Hmm... I recognize that room. 8^) > > > > > > 35,000 euro, eh? Lots of expensive toys there. > > > > > > -- Mark > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Wade Gordon Date: Thu Jul 25, 2002 1:56 pm Subject: off topic- New e-mail address for 'Sound Explorer.' Hey gang there is a new e-mail address for 'Sound Explorer' and it is as follows: soundexplorer@a... This makes things simpler. Also, this week there is a replay of Vic Rek's Tangerine Dream homage. In two weeks I will explore the evolution of Chris Frank's alien seagul sound. Let me know your thoughts on the matter. Wade __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From: Mark Filipak Date: Thu Jul 25, 2002 3:12 pm Subject: Alien Seagull, again (was: [tadream] off topic- New e-mail address for 'Sound Explorer.') Wade Gordon wrote: > > ... In two > weeks I will explore the evolution of Chris Frank's > alien seagul sound. Let me know your thoughts on the > matter. Well, it didn't really evolve. It appeared sometime in 1975 fully fledged, so to speak. Ciao -- Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34987 Re: Alien Seagull, again (was: [tadream] off topi Wade Gordon Thu 7/25/2002 3 KB From: Liondream@a... Date: Thu Jul 25, 2002 3:56 pm Subject: OT: Zeit and Phaedra www.infectionmusic.co.uk Definitely worth checking out. I would also download the word (or html) spec document... <<>> Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34985 Re: OT: Zeit and Phaedra Marcel Engels Thu 7/25/2002 3 KB From: Liondream@a... Date: Thu Jul 25, 2002 4:02 pm Subject: OT: Zeit and Phaedra sequencers I signed up for the mailing list. They may have frozen the feature list by now, but it sounds like they were very open to people's suggestions. <<> *Wow. Very impressive David. They look gorgeous. Keep us posted on that one. If they do what you say I'll buy one. Poly>>> From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Thu Jul 25, 2002 4:07 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] OT: Zeit and Phaedra It does look very interesting and has a lot of options. One question though: does it have a skip function? Does the step active switch means it plays a note/mute a note or plays a note/skips a note? Somehow almost every manufacturer of a sequencer 'forgets' THE most important function of an analog style sequencer and that is the skip-knob/switch. Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... > -----Original Message----- > From: Liondream@a... [mailto:Liondream@a...] > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 5:57 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] OT: Zeit and Phaedra > > > www.infectionmusic.co.uk > > Definitely worth checking out. I would also download the word > (or html) spec document... > > > << > thanks > > Paul>>> > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'fozziebear' Date: Thu Jul 25, 2002 6:09 pm Subject: Off topic I'm off to Prague and Poznan shortly. Is there anyone on this list in those areas want to meet up? If so contact me off list David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Wade Gordon Date: Thu Jul 25, 2002 7:07 pm Subject: Re: Alien Seagull, again (was: [tadream] off topic- New e-mail address for 'Sound Explorer.') Well, I was being poetic, but I should have said the chronological appearance of Chris Franke's alien seagull sound. I stand corrected. --- Mark Filipak wrote: > Wade Gordon wrote: > > > > ... In two > > weeks I will explore the evolution of Chris > Frank's > > alien seagul sound. Let me know your thoughts on > the > > matter. > > Well, it didn't really evolve. It appeared sometime > in 1975 fully > fledged, so to speak. > > Ciao -- Mark > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Thu Jul 25, 2002 8:03 pm Subject: test test Seems yahoo decided to kill all the lists I belong too, hence this test... Dale Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. From: 'Admin' Date: Fri Jul 26, 2002 5:05 am Subject: test test I am not getting anything on the list. Sometime yesterday Yahoo decided my mail was bouncing. So far only one list is working, so please excuse this post. I am just trying to get it back to working. dale From: Mark Filipak Date: Fri Jul 26, 2002 5:09 am Subject: Re: [tadream] test Admin wrote: > > test > > I am not getting anything on the list. Sometime yesterday Yahoo > decided my mail was bouncing. So far only one list is working, so > please excuse this post. I am just trying to get it back to working. I've not gotten anything except your two tests: one at 4:03 PM -0400 and the other just arrived (1:05 AM -400). ? -- Mark From: 'Admin' Date: Fri Jul 26, 2002 5:14 am Subject: Re: [tadream] test I got this one... all day, I was dead... I did not get anything yesterday either, till now... I was thinking, I was screwed...(sorry Joe, this sucked a big one with yahoo this time) dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Mark Filipak' To: ; 'Admin' Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 10:09 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] test > Admin wrote: > > > > test > > > > I am not getting anything on the list. Sometime yesterday Yahoo > > decided my mail was bouncing. So far only one list is working, so > > please excuse this post. I am just trying to get it back to working. > > I've not gotten anything except your two tests: one at 4:03 PM -0400 and > the other just arrived (1:05 AM -400). > > ? -- Mark > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Mark Filipak Date: Fri Jul 26, 2002 5:15 am Subject: Mine! All mine! Hahahahaha! The Tadream list is mine! All mine! No more dumb questions except MINE! No more 'Keep'. No more 'Alien Seagull'. This is now the Montovanni list! Hahahaha.... ....Hahahahahaha.... ....Hahahahahahahahahahaha From: 'Admin' Date: Fri Jul 26, 2002 5:19 am Subject: Re: [tadream] test Mark This is what yahoo messages told me. All the groups I belong too where shut down from sending me mail. Due to my mail bouncing back. They give you a log to view. Well it showed one mail bounced on the 23 July, then about 8 others on the tadream list over several years. Why they choose now to stop all mail is beyond me. I followed the instructions and waited. I had a ton of other agendas to deal with, hence why this time now am I fighting it again. Looks like it is working again. What did I do? I went back in, reset each list from mail, to digest then back. Then I posted to each a test message again. Seems to have worked. I can't tell you the feeling of being left out. Dale From: Mark Filipak Date: Fri Jul 26, 2002 5:32 am Subject: [Mantovani] Discussion schedule Beginning next week, we will begin in depth discussions of Annunzio Paolo Mantovani and his music. Next week is D:'The Song from Moulin Rouge' The week of Aug 5 is D:'Swedish Rhapsody' The week of Aug 12 is D:'Exodus' I will post more schedule in early August. Enjoy! -- Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34995 Re: [Mantovani] Discussion schedule Admin Fri 7/26/2002 3 KB 34998 Re: [Mantovani] Discussion schedule Matthew Sawyer Fri 7/26/2002 2 KB 34999 Re: [Mantovani] Discussion schedule Mark Filipak Fri 7/26/2002 2 KB 35119 Re: [Mantovani] Discussion schedule Richard Stockwell Thu 8/1/2002 3 KB From: 'Admin' Date: Fri Jul 26, 2002 5:37 am Subject: Re: [tadream] [Mantovani] Discussion schedule You know you are evil do you not? I bet your LFO is on ramp too? ;-) dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Mark Filipak' To: 'tadream' Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 10:32 PM Subject: [tadream] [Mantovani] Discussion schedule > Beginning next week, we will begin in depth discussions of Annunzio Paolo > Mantovani and his music. > > Next week is D:'The Song from Moulin Rouge' > The week of Aug 5 is D:'Swedish Rhapsody' > The week of Aug 12 is D:'Exodus' > > I will post more schedule in early August. > > Enjoy! -- Mark > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Mark Filipak Date: Fri Jul 26, 2002 5:46 am Subject: [Mantovani] Essential Discography Hi All! If you don't have these discs, you don't know The Maestro! Be prepared for the coming discussions. Mantovani Somewhere My Love Mantovani Shadow Of Your Smile Mantovani Send In The Clowns Mantovani World Hits Mantovani Vaya Con Dios Mantovani Besame Mucho Mantovani Christmas Album Mantovani More Golden Hits Mantovani Spectacular Mantovani Film & Theatre Themes Mantovani Best Of Mantovani Mantovani Love Themes Mantovani Golden Hits 2 Mantovani Classic Melodies Mantovani Instrumental Favourites Mantovani In A Latin Mood Mantovani The World Of Mantovani Mantovani Italia Bella Mantovani Latino Connection Mantovani Magical Moods Of... Mantovani Live At The Festival Hall Mantovani Mantovani Ole Mantovani Kismet Mantovani Live At Royal Festival Hall Vol.1 Mantovani A Legend Of Music Mantovani The Golden Hits Mantovani The World Of Mantovani Vol.2 Mantovani A Night In Vienna Mantovani Italian Favorites Mantovani Magic Of Mantovani Memorable Classics Mantovani Twin Best Mantovani Great Hits (Tba) Mantovani Romantic Classics Mantovani Mantovani Orchestra Mantovani Tangos, Conceros & Other Light Music Mantovani Tea For Two Mantovani The Sound Of Music Mantovani Smoke Gets In Your Eyes Mantovani La Mer Ciao -- Mark From: Mark Filipak Date: Fri Jul 26, 2002 6:05 am Subject: [Mantovani] Greetings We have a new Mantovani fan, who just joined. Welcome Dan Schulte! Enjoy the music. -- Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35013 Re: [Mantovani] Greetings Adele Outland Fri 7/26/2002 2 KB 35017 Re: [Mantovani] Greetings scfeldman@j... Fri 7/26/2002 2 KB From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Fri Jul 26, 2002 6:56 am Subject: Re: [tadream] [Mantovani] Discussion schedule From: 'Mark Filipak' > Beginning next week, we will begin in depth discussions of Annunzio Paolo > Mantovani and his music. Hey Mark, any idea when the Mantovani Tree structure will get posted here? I can't wait it hear his 1925 Croydon concert.. Maff _______________________________________________ www.tachyon-tv.co.uk www.maff.da.ru www.mst3uk.com From: Mark Filipak Date: Fri Jul 26, 2002 7:08 am Subject: Re: [tadream] [Mantovani] Discussion schedule Ah! Maff. You joined too! Matthew Sawyer wrote: > > From: 'Mark Filipak' > > > Beginning next week, we will begin in depth discussions of Annunzio > > Paolo Mantovani and his music. > > Hey Mark, any idea when the Mantovani Tree structure will get posted > here? > > I can't wait it hear his 1925 Croydon concert.. What about that 1942 performance of 'White Cliffs of Dover', eh? I mean, that Vera Lynn was terrific wasn't she? -- A real classic. I think we should begin with that. You're British, so of course I expect you agree. Ciao (...that's an Italian salutation that Mantovani used a lot...) -- Mark From: Mark Filipak Date: Fri Jul 26, 2002 7:25 am Subject: [Mantovani] Favorite Covers Hey All! The real high point for the orchestra has to be their cover of Joni Michell's 'Both Sides Now.' Didn't they also do a cover of 'Purple Haze'? Not sure. Thought I'd ask. -- Mark NP: Percy Faith plays Mantovani